EPTAny news on the progress with applications? I sent mine in at around 5:30PM Central time.
No rush, just curious.
Edit: mobile typos
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Hez
United States31 Posts
Any news on the progress with applications? I sent mine in at around 5:30PM Central time. No rush, just curious. Edit: mobile typos | ||
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Gowerly
United Kingdom916 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
Raise your Dongers!!!! ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ | ||
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Zonalar
Switzerland17 Posts
Just applied an hour ago. Thank you so much for your time  | ||
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Hider
Denmark9377 Posts
How does that reconcile with his claim that he feels he wasn't improving as much after he got into GM since he had to play a lot of ladder games to get rid of the bonus pool? Isn't that a deceiving way of trying to present the case that you shouldn't play ladder to improve? At the very least, it doesn't make sense to use him self as an example of the inefficiency of the ladder. So I wonder if there is an example of someone not playing a lot of 1v1s and benefiting tremendeously while under the sandbox project? (mostly thinking in terms of master to GM). | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
Some interesting statistics regarding Neuros way from master to GM. He played a total of 2300 ladder games in less than a year. (source: http://www.rankedftw.com/team/315448/#td=region&ty=c&tyz=0&tx=a&tl=1). How does that reconcile with his claim that he feels he wasn't improving as much after he got into GM since he had to play a lot of ladder games to get rid of the bonus pool? Isn't that a deceiving way of trying to present the case that you shouldn't play ladder to improve? At the very least, it doesn't make sense to use him self as an example of the inefficiency of the ladder. So I wonder if there is an example of someone not playing a lot of 1v1s and benefiting tremendeously while under the sandbox project? (mostly thinking in terms of master to GM). I think we can examine this at a higher level than this. For instance you can compare players like Demuslim he does amazing on Ladder seems very dominant but it seems in tournaments he seems to faulter against people who you don't see playing ladder as much. I think Demuslim's greatest downfall is that he doesn't deliberately practice but instead just spam's ladder games..... Just an observance for someone who has been in the scene awhile and doesn't seem to have much gains on his play and I have a very good feeling this is the reason besides an obvious mental block.... | ||
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Masayume
Netherlands208 Posts
One cannot function at maximum capacity without the other. You can minimize the amount of ladder you need by increasing the network of quality practice partners which leads to more diversity though. This is part of our message with TheSandbox and in hindsight it seems we should be more clear about this distinction. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9377 Posts
I think Demuslim's greatest downfall is that he doesn't deliberately practice but instead just spam's ladder games..... You are going off on a different tanget here. But let me respond to that anyway: Demuslim actually doesn't play any more ladder than a lot of other players. Instead he was always known as the guy with a high win/rate and thus got top ranks on relatively few games. My diagnosis of him (having watched hundreds of hours of his stream) is that he just isn't a particularly analytical person and when you start to get into the whole "mindgame"/adaption-part that is a part of actual tournaments, his results suffer. On the other hand his mechanics were - especially early in HOTS - amongst the best of any foreigner. But if you check out how many games he actually has played on the ladder you see that he was never the biggest grinder. On the other hand, someone like Snute is known to mass spamming 1v1s. Anyway, my poiny was that it seemed dishonest that Neuro makes it seem as if ladder isn't what got him to GM when he in fact mass spammed it as he got from master to GM. My thesis is different: I believe the number 1 reason 90% of players don't get the progression they want is because they don't play enough. They rather watch games and socialize, which often time is a consequence of ladder anxiety. If you go for focussed practice, that's fine, but do it for the right reason. Have something specific in mind, where its obvious you are practicing this more efficiently than on the ladder (this could be how to beat a cannon rush or just straight up macro). Don't do it as an excuse not to play ladder. If on the other hand, you feel fairly confident in a few specific builds for each race,and you can do basic macro, there is no better way than to improve further than mass spamming the ladder. That doesn't imply that you shouldn't think criticically while playing or watch a couple of reps of your own play once in a while. ' But if you have 8 hours of free time: Playing 25 games is often time a better useage of time than talking for 3 hours, watching for 3 hours and playing for 2 hours. (This is assuming you want to improve, if you just want to relax and socialize, that's a different matter). If you find that you have problem with certain builds your opponent throws at you, sure then go ahead and opt for that focussed practice. But don't let it replace efficient ladder practice, use it as a supplementary tool. | ||
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NeuroSwarm
United States19 Posts
An additional dimension to improvement is how the practice volume is spent (replays / ladder / customs / coaching). Finding an optimal balance in time expenditure is its own process as well, and should not be simplified to either 'Ladder or Not Ladder'. The ladder will (almost) always find an opponent near your skill range in a short amount of time at any hour of the day; whereas finding practice partners for custom games requires and additional step of communication to establish the training session and articulate goals. Put simply, the point to be made is that gamers can be more deliberate with their time expenditure. Use whatever tools are useful and put your ideas to the test. | ||
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NeuroSwarm
United States19 Posts
On July 03 2015 20:17 Hider wrote: How does that reconcile with his claim that he feels he wasn't improving as much after he got into GM since he had to play a lot of ladder games to get rid of the bonus pool? Isn't that a deceiving way of trying to present the case that you shouldn't play ladder to improve? Where do you get these quotes? I played games on EU focusing on commentary and spending bonus pool on AM after getting GM the first season and don't recall saying things about not improving as a player overall. Additionally, I transitioned from Roach/Hydra/Viper based play in ZvT and ZvP and learned 2 totally new playstyles from x5_PiG (which would represent as a stagnation or dip in rank in the short term). Where is it said that one shouldn't play ladder to improve? It is an area for dueling and honing one's skills against a partially randomly dealt opponent on a random map that neither player vetoed. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
In the meantime we're trying to compile a master list of all the different ways one can apply Deliberate Practice to Starcraft 2. If you have any ideas, please post them here and we'll add them to the OP. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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Ashoka
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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mushlafa
29 Posts
Will submit my application in the next few days when I have time. | ||
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Extol
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Anyway on to my question, I sent an email application a couple of weeks back now and I was wondering if either the group has now been closed or not every application gets a response? The latter seemed unlikely because in the FAQ section it states that if your application doesn't succeed, you're able to apply again. Please don't take this as impatience. I was mainly curious if things had slowed down or if people were actually putting much time into this any more which was further exagurated by the lack of discussion on this thread itself, especially when compared to TheCore or Jak's other projects. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
Let me know if you find out more about the status? | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I ought to make a full Tea Time episode for this (and I might actually do it) Long story short, it's still active, but not developed or overseen too much. At this point, it's more of a lightly regulated practice partner group on discord where people are awarded certain titles to distinguish if they're looking for deliberate practice ideally (Sandboxers and Sandlings), or if they just want to find people to play with (no title). There are also titles, for coaches and experts that you can reach out to for advice/coaching. I have 3 or 4 apps in my inbox atm that I haven't been able to get to, should have them done this week. New job at Machinima has me working 5-7 days a week, usually 10-12 hours, so there's not a lot of time for me to inject energy into projects personally. Something like TheCore is big enough to sustain itself for the most part in terms of activity, but people are even less comfortable with the concept of applying deliberate practice to Starcraft. (also, TheSandbox is a younger project). That said, the Discord Group is reasonably active and anyone can participate: https://discord.gg/0u4eLnaAZz7pE1VI Applications are to get a Sandling or Sandboxer title. Explanation Video: Hope that helps! If you have any questions or solutions to problems please share them. I check all my project's TL threads, but I can't always get to them often. | ||
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