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From the Shadows - a Look at PvP - Page 3

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Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
June 16 2015 06:44 GMT
#41
Mentioning sOs is right on time - a perfect example for a toss who can combine pure luck with pure master skill. Oz is one of my favorites to in all SCII history, but from what I saw, I still am happy just like I've watched yesterday when sOs got the Blizzcon 2013 trophy and surprised all. Last year, Classic almost did it and yet no one could vote for him.

There are just some good protoss players who come "from the shadows" and establish some new level of play.
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 16 2015 08:01 GMT
#42
On June 16 2015 05:53 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 02:57 Nebuchad wrote:
On June 16 2015 00:44 DinoMight wrote:
Once you get past ling bane micro it's just giant groups of 1-2 unit types A-moving at each other until the bigger one wins.


It's really not, but that's okay, you were just baiting anyway =p

I also like all the rationalization going on when most people who don't enjoy PvP don't enjoy it because it's composed of a protoss playing another protoss, pretty much in the same way I don't enjoy TvT because I don't like terran design and I hate most terran players.


??

Say what?

I actually like watching TvT and PvP. To me ZvZ is just not entertaining. Sure there is skill involved. But visually it just looks like two blobs puking on each other until one dies. Unlike TvT/PvP you don't see as many drops/harass/spellcasters/types of units. Once ling bane is over it's blobs. :/


Don't worry. Even i, Zerg player doesn't understand half of the roach battle.

OK player A have : a better concave, upgrades.
Player B win the fight.

WTF ?
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 15:50:05
June 16 2015 15:33 GMT
#43
On June 16 2015 17:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 05:53 DinoMight wrote:
On June 16 2015 02:57 Nebuchad wrote:
On June 16 2015 00:44 DinoMight wrote:
Once you get past ling bane micro it's just giant groups of 1-2 unit types A-moving at each other until the bigger one wins.


It's really not, but that's okay, you were just baiting anyway =p

I also like all the rationalization going on when most people who don't enjoy PvP don't enjoy it because it's composed of a protoss playing another protoss, pretty much in the same way I don't enjoy TvT because I don't like terran design and I hate most terran players.


??

Say what?

I actually like watching TvT and PvP. To me ZvZ is just not entertaining. Sure there is skill involved. But visually it just looks like two blobs puking on each other until one dies. Unlike TvT/PvP you don't see as many drops/harass/spellcasters/types of units. Once ling bane is over it's blobs. :/


OK player A have : a better concave, upgrades.
Player B win the fight.

WTF ?


Haha, so true. I have no fucking idea how but it always happens. Even casters get thrown off by it.

I think if your concave is too good it's counter productive. Because your roaches will shoot different roaches but his roaches will "focus fire" yours since they can only reach certain roaches. Does that make sense at all?

Edit- around the edges, where the concave is spread the thinnest.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
June 16 2015 18:53 GMT
#44
On June 17 2015 00:33 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 17:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:53 DinoMight wrote:
On June 16 2015 02:57 Nebuchad wrote:
On June 16 2015 00:44 DinoMight wrote:
Once you get past ling bane micro it's just giant groups of 1-2 unit types A-moving at each other until the bigger one wins.


It's really not, but that's okay, you were just baiting anyway =p

I also like all the rationalization going on when most people who don't enjoy PvP don't enjoy it because it's composed of a protoss playing another protoss, pretty much in the same way I don't enjoy TvT because I don't like terran design and I hate most terran players.


??

Say what?

I actually like watching TvT and PvP. To me ZvZ is just not entertaining. Sure there is skill involved. But visually it just looks like two blobs puking on each other until one dies. Unlike TvT/PvP you don't see as many drops/harass/spellcasters/types of units. Once ling bane is over it's blobs. :/


OK player A have : a better concave, upgrades.
Player B win the fight.

WTF ?


Haha, so true. I have no fucking idea how but it always happens. Even casters get thrown off by it.

I think if your concave is too good it's counter productive. Because your roaches will shoot different roaches but his roaches will "focus fire" yours since they can only reach certain roaches. Does that make sense at all?

Edit- around the edges, where the concave is spread the thinnest.

ZvZ is an art that mere mortals fail to understand
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-17 11:13:45
June 17 2015 11:13 GMT
#45
On June 17 2015 00:33 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 17:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:53 DinoMight wrote:
On June 16 2015 02:57 Nebuchad wrote:
On June 16 2015 00:44 DinoMight wrote:
Once you get past ling bane micro it's just giant groups of 1-2 unit types A-moving at each other until the bigger one wins.


It's really not, but that's okay, you were just baiting anyway =p

I also like all the rationalization going on when most people who don't enjoy PvP don't enjoy it because it's composed of a protoss playing another protoss, pretty much in the same way I don't enjoy TvT because I don't like terran design and I hate most terran players.


??

Say what?

I actually like watching TvT and PvP. To me ZvZ is just not entertaining. Sure there is skill involved. But visually it just looks like two blobs puking on each other until one dies. Unlike TvT/PvP you don't see as many drops/harass/spellcasters/types of units. Once ling bane is over it's blobs. :/


OK player A have : a better concave, upgrades.
Player B win the fight.

WTF ?


Haha, so true. I have no fucking idea how but it always happens. Even casters get thrown off by it.

I think if your concave is too good it's counter productive. Because your roaches will shoot different roaches but his roaches will "focus fire" yours since they can only reach certain roaches. Does that make sense at all?

Edit- around the edges, where the concave is spread the thinnest.



Maybe. I remember watching 4 replays of a teammates asking why he lost because he didn't get it. And there were replays of roach wars with same upgrade, same map and we were like : "WTF did you win that ?" and "WTF did you lose that ?"

Mirrors are always complex.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
June 17 2015 12:36 GMT
#46
Not sure if I can take a PvP article seriously when it's lacking elfi.

Good effort though.
why even
14CC
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
93 Posts
June 17 2015 14:58 GMT
#47
On June 15 2015 22:24 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2015 02:15 xpldngmn wrote:
White-Ra vs. MC at the GSL World Championships.
'nuff said

That Shakuras proxy tho

Starcraft can be a heart-breaking game when the least awful player is bested by Fog of War.
TheBatman
Profile Joined January 2011
United States209 Posts
July 17 2015 08:34 GMT
#48
Great write up, thanks for the nostalgia and analysis DLO.

Even though your love of Protoss is something I will never understand, your articles always make me appreciate Protoss ever so slightly more.

Keep it up!
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
July 17 2015 08:43 GMT
#49
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
July 17 2015 08:47 GMT
#50
Watching a PvP between Rain and Classic right now at IEM. What a gorgeous matchup this still is.
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