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From the Shadows - a Look at PvP - Page 2

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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 14 2015 15:12 GMT
#21
PvP <3 Loved this article, but I think it's too short moar pls!
There is too little Zest in it but I forgive you because you made very good points about god sOs. He knows how to turn his gambles into $$$
Thanks for the good read!
xpldngmn
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria264 Posts
June 14 2015 17:15 GMT
#22
White-Ra vs. MC at the GSL World Championships.
'nuff said
Non-native speaker, those prepositions are so hard to know.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44257 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-14 17:38:22
June 14 2015 17:38 GMT
#23
I love watching PvP, but not playing it ^^;;

Great article
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2627 Posts
June 14 2015 17:49 GMT
#24
When a MU requires an article to try and make people like it you know its a bad MU

The article was well written but I don't think there will ever come a time where I think it isn't the worst MU (let alone a good one) but thats just personal opinion
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
June 14 2015 18:08 GMT
#25
Great article... except for the lack of elfi

Watching lots of elfi and welmu has definitely increased my appreciation for the MU :D
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
June 14 2015 18:30 GMT
#26
the outpouring of love for elfi brings a tear to my eye
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 14 2015 18:55 GMT
#27
On June 15 2015 03:30 Waxangel wrote:
the outpouring of love for elfi brings a tear to my eye


The one true protoss god
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-14 19:31:41
June 14 2015 19:31 GMT
#28
Quick everyone guess who wrote this

EDIT: seriously though well done Olli :D
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
June 14 2015 20:56 GMT
#29
Great article, cannot agree more
I remember watching IEM WC 2014 live, and how the whole crowd was rooting for her0 and felt robbed of great games because of that "stupid, no-skill proxy rushes" whlist I was purely amazed how well did sOs prepared for that final and how he went total bedlam in her0's mind. Also I love sOs so I was really happy seeing him win

PvP is less about robotic execution of builds, it's more about reading your opponent, through his playstyle, his habits and behaviour under pressure, find tendencies and inclination he may have and use that knowledge against him. That's why that matchup is the best in long BOX series, rather than BO1 on ladder
sOs TY PartinG
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 14 2015 21:39 GMT
#30
This write up was so good that it actually made me hype for wanting to watch a PvP.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
June 15 2015 09:56 GMT
#31
On June 14 2015 20:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
PvP has always been the best mirror match up.

Most of the people hated IEM Katowice 2014 but I loved it. I was just sitting on my chair frozen and thinking how awesome is that. sOs had balls of steel.

And if we cut end of the wol out, PvP has always been my best mu. So maybe that is one of the reason I think PvP is the best mirror.

PvP has been so logical to me always. At least in WoL there was clear build/units that won other units. Somebody goes blink --> I go robo.

elfi king of the PvP! He peaked 70% winrate in PvP during WoL

I'm pretty sure you're confusing PvP with TvT here
But yeah PvP is now a better mirror then it was several years ago, at least you don't have 1 unit blobs crash into each other trying to see which is bigger.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 15 2015 11:38 GMT
#32
On June 14 2015 22:39 OtherWorld wrote:
PvP is the second best MU behind ZvZ. That's the truth.


True. I love so much the ling baneling battle "if you sneeze you die".
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 15 2015 12:17 GMT
#33
PvP Mirror Best Mirror
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 15 2015 13:24 GMT
#34
On June 15 2015 02:15 xpldngmn wrote:
White-Ra vs. MC at the GSL World Championships.
'nuff said

That Shakuras proxy tho
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-15 15:47:08
June 15 2015 15:44 GMT
#35
I feel like typically PvP is not appreciated as much by non Protoss players because TO THEM it seems coinflippy. But there are small reads that Protoss players can make based on their own experiences that can tell a lot about what the other guy is doing. There's also a lot of meta gaming that goes on in the matchup since Protoss is a very stylistic race.

It has also gotten a LOT better in HotS. I don't dread getting a PvP on ladder anymore the way I used to.

TvT, PvP > ZvZ imo.

Once you get past ling bane micro it's just giant groups of 1-2 unit types A-moving at each other until the bigger one wins.

ZvZ is actually better in LotV IMO with the introduction of the Lurker and the new economy forcing you to expand more (which makes Muta more viable as a way to deny them and get ahead).
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Cazimirbzh
Profile Joined February 2014
334 Posts
June 15 2015 16:15 GMT
#36
So i am guessing DLO wants to strat some flame wars with this thread ^^
I think if you believe that pvp is coinflip, u should go allin every game. Also if u have no gambling in your strategy, u can go allin too :p
I'll never count wol era because it wasnt really entertaining. PvP is bit better now that midgame is more stable, still waiting for lategame^^ but if you look at other MU they all have their downside dead zvz (plz banneling micro plz banneling micro^^) or mirror 1-1-1 for terran.
And that's what i like about pvp, u have to choose your decisions

Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12163 Posts
June 15 2015 17:57 GMT
#37
On June 16 2015 00:44 DinoMight wrote:
Once you get past ling bane micro it's just giant groups of 1-2 unit types A-moving at each other until the bigger one wins.


It's really not, but that's okay, you were just baiting anyway =p

I also like all the rationalization going on when most people who don't enjoy PvP don't enjoy it because it's composed of a protoss playing another protoss, pretty much in the same way I don't enjoy TvT because I don't like terran design and I hate most terran players.
No will to live, no wish to die
w3c.TruE
Profile Joined November 2013
Czech Republic1055 Posts
June 15 2015 20:05 GMT
#38
Great read! PvP is the best and most entertaining matchup by far. Early- and mid-game is just awesome.
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-15 20:56:50
June 15 2015 20:53 GMT
#39
On June 16 2015 02:57 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 00:44 DinoMight wrote:
Once you get past ling bane micro it's just giant groups of 1-2 unit types A-moving at each other until the bigger one wins.


It's really not, but that's okay, you were just baiting anyway =p

I also like all the rationalization going on when most people who don't enjoy PvP don't enjoy it because it's composed of a protoss playing another protoss, pretty much in the same way I don't enjoy TvT because I don't like terran design and I hate most terran players.


??

Say what?

I actually like watching TvT and PvP. To me ZvZ is just not entertaining. Sure there is skill involved. But visually it just looks like two blobs puking on each other until one dies. Unlike TvT/PvP you don't see as many drops/harass/spellcasters/types of units. Once ling bane is over it's blobs. :/
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
June 15 2015 21:07 GMT
#40
On June 15 2015 03:55 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2015 03:30 Waxangel wrote:
the outpouring of love for elfi brings a tear to my eye


The one true protoss god


HERETIC!

All hail IncA!
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
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