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So last season went on for a couple days more than it was supposed to.
Then this morning when eventually season starts on EU server, we have 5 placement games to get a league.
Plat friend of mine didn't play them serioulsy trying stupid stuff, he's now in silver league (lol!)
it looks like everything has been reset in order to fix the league distribution we had.
Is it a fresh start from scratch for everybody? will we have this for every new season?
Personnaly I'm ok with this, if it can open leagues more...
(I read nothing on the matter, if I missed a post or if this was announced already please ignore my post...)
(edit : terrible enlgish)
(edit 2 : update on my firend, he didn't play silly actually he won 4/5 games, still in silver, really looks like a major league reset)
Panda Edit:
Hey everyone,
As previously mentioned, we’ve been working on some additional ladder changes for Season 2. With the new season now live for almost all regions, we’re keeping a close eye on how these updates are working out as players are ranked in the new season. One immediate change that some players may notice is an increase of placement matches in some regions. While some players may find that their ladder rating has shifted, we are compensating for this shift by making it easier for these players to place into higher leagues with fewer wins. Please give the new promotion changes a chance to adjust to the current skill and developing skill of players in this new season.
We’ll be closely monitoring ladder functionality to determine if any further changes are needed and we’re definitely interested in hearing about your experiences in the new season. In the next couple of weeks, we’ll also be releasing further details on the exact changes that occurred for the new season so everyone can have a clear understanding of how the system changed.
Source: Battle Net
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Yeah, the nios rankings brutally changed when I was looking at them
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That would be awesome!
Time to start playing again :D
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Placement is only one game for me. I wonder if this only affects people with MMR decay.
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On April 15 2015 18:09 tar wrote:
Placement is only one game for me. I wonder if this only affects people with MMR decay.
Just one game for me too. Disappointing.. I was all pumped up to start playing random with fresh MMR  .
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On April 15 2015 18:18 flyleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 18:09 tar wrote:
Placement is only one game for me. I wonder if this only affects people with MMR decay. Did you actually play the game already? Some people are reporting after they played the placement game it changed and told them to play more placement games.
I'll play a game to see what happens. will report back in 10 minutes.
Played a game, will have to play 4 more games now in order to get ranked. They also finally fixed the match history screen.
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On April 15 2015 18:09 tar wrote:
Placement is only one game for me. I wonder if this only affects people with MMR decay.
Did you actually play the game already? Some people are reporting after they played the placement game it changed and told them to play more placement games.
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So I played a guy on EU who was diamond last season and he lost his game to my acc which was silver last season (though it had very high MMR in comparison.. I was playing masters and even a person who was top 120 GM the season before). He got his rank and he went from diamond to silver................... holy shit i'd be angry @_@:;
That said, I finished my matches and even though, as I mentioned above, I was playing much higher rated players before the season ended I ended up in platinum.....
Currently the account I am playing under has a ~50 game win streak...
blizzard.. pls... @_@
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Did you guys actually play or are you only reading the text in the matchmaking screen? Cause it says 1 game for me too but it's probably just wrong. Can't play now to test it sadly.
It looks like nobody in EU is masters league right now.
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On April 15 2015 18:21 KingAlphard wrote:
Did you guys actually play or are you only reading the text in the matchmaking screen? Cause it says 1 game for me too but it's probably just wrong. Can't play now to test it sadly.
It looks like nobody in EU is masters league right now.
If you play 1 game it changes and says you have to play 5
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On April 15 2015 18:14 Bojas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 18:09 tar wrote:
Placement is only one game for me. I wonder if this only affects people with MMR decay. Just one game for me too. Disappointing.. I was all pumped up to start playing random with fresh MMR . Edit: Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 18:18 flyleaf wrote:On April 15 2015 18:09 tar wrote:
Placement is only one game for me. I wonder if this only affects people with MMR decay. Did you actually play the game already? Some people are reporting after they played the placement game it changed and told them to play more placement games. I'll play a game to see what happens. will report back in 10 minutes.
it's not MMR decay related, I played a lot of ranked games last season upuntil yesterday....
I don't know what it said initially though (1 or 5 games) , I just read placement match and clicked on play, it's only when I got no league at the end of my games that I realised something was not as usual 
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Yeah i just played a really high ranked dude who had beaten pros like Snute and the game after i played a guy who was gold last season. I was high master last season so it seems like they reset everything T_T
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On April 15 2015 18:21 KingAlphard wrote:
Did you guys actually play or are you only reading the text in the matchmaking screen? Cause it says 1 game for me too but it's probably just wrong. Can't play now to test it sadly.
It looks like nobody in EU is masters league right now.
Just read it and unfortunately, can't play atm either. I am really looking forward to this though, even so I am already seeing myself down in plat/gold. At least that would set a reachable goal to get back to diamond since masters is clearly out of my reach and has been so for the past 2 years.
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I played 4 times against Diamond players and once vs a legit Bronze...
I won 50% vs all the diamond, got place into platnium.
Edit : seems like a hard reset to me
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It looks like there is 1 master league division. It contains only 8 players, all of them have at least 25+ games.
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On April 15 2015 18:43 KingAlphard wrote:
It looks like there is 1 master league division. It contains only 8 players, all of them have at least 25+ games.
You checked ingame or is there any website which is already updated?
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I looked this morning on my contact list. I think PtitDrogo has gone from top GM to diamond. So, yeah, I guess. :D
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On April 15 2015 18:45 flyleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 18:43 KingAlphard wrote:
It looks like there is 1 master league division. It contains only 8 players, all of them have at least 25+ games. You checked ingame or is there any website which is already updated?
I found it in game.
By the way, none of them was gm last season and some of them even have bad winrates this season.
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On April 15 2015 18:43 KingAlphard wrote:
It looks like there is 1 master league division. It contains only 8 players, all of them have at least 25+ games.
To get promoted to master requires at minimum of 25 games after starting from blank MMR (this includes the 5 placement matches). The MMR can rise to master range much faster, but the 25th match is the first possibility to get promoted (if you win that match as promotions only happen won games).
But if they have made a full MMR reset for everyone, it is a great news. At the start of this season they disabled MMR decay. But the damage was already done (2 years worth of MMR decay and several threshold adjustments). It would take a long long time for ladder to get healthy via natural way. But via full reset people's MMRs find their correct range much faster. This is due that MMR changes rapidly after a blank start. Another benefit would be that they could restore old MMR ranges / thresholds. MMR ranges for most leagues were almost similar in the old days. But after several threshold adjustments the MMR ranges for some leagues became quite abnormal. For example the diamond league became huge (and usually took 40+ victories more than loses to get from bottom of diamond to bottom of master).
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On April 15 2015 18:48 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 18:43 KingAlphard wrote:
It looks like there is 1 master league division. It contains only 8 players, all of them have at least 25+ games. To get promoted to master requires at minimum of 25 games after starting from blank MMR (this includes the 5 placement matches). The MMR can rise to master range much faster, but the 25th match is the first possibility to get promoted (if you win that match as promotions only happen won games).
That's interesting, didn't know about that. Well that explains it I guess, very few people have already played 25+games (and some of them don't have masters mmr ofc).
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I didn't play until leagues were locked last season (EU). Placed / played gold. Last night worked my MMR up to playing vs Diamond so I left league and played my placement match into Plat. Today I have 4 placement matches after my first game.
Haven't checked NA (where I was active all season) yet...
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I was between silver and gold on KR and while it placed me in very low silver, I feel like the opponents I'm playing are much stronger than before.
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Blizzard messing up. Again.
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after playing some games it feels like a total mmr reset. getting a huge amount of points for wins against pretty weak players. still platinum though. ^^
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I was worried when I played my placement match this morning against some ex-master Terran (who was Diamond last season) then I saw I still had another 4 matches to go. Guy in question was rather BM because I refused to leave. Will be interesting to see where I end up because I had a shit time in Gold last season and I really want to push for Plat/Diamond this season T_T
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On April 15 2015 19:03 RHoudini wrote:
Blizzard messing up. Again.
Actually this is not messing up. Full MMR reset for everyone was pretty much the only way to fix the ladder at this point. Last season they announced that they will disable MMR decay. But that would not have fixed (in short term) the messed up ladder situation. It would have only prevented accounts from continuously drifting downwards. It would have taken long time for people's MMRs to find their correct ranges in natural way.
Now we wait if they reset MMRs for all or only for a only subset of players (e.g. those who have faced decay).
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On April 15 2015 19:12 korona wrote:Actually this is not messing up. Full MMR reset for everyone was pretty much the only way to fix the ladder at this point. Last season they announced that they will disable MMR decay. But that would not have fixed (in short term) the messed up ladder situation. It would have only prevented accounts from continuously drifting downwards. It would have taken time for people's MMRs to find their correct ranges in natural way. Now we wait if they reset MMRs for all or only some subset of players (e.g. those who have faced decay).
Changelog will be released in a few weeks, they definitely have a messed up information policy.
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Welcome in diamond boys!!!
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Isnt this pretty bad for everyone wanting to play in today's WCS EU qualifier since you need a masters account to participate? :O
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On April 15 2015 19:59 DanTastiC wrote:
Isnt this pretty bad for everyone wanting to play in today's WCS EU qualifier since you need a masters account to participate? :O
They'll go off last season's league finish.
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MaNa is playing against bronze players on his stream and has to do 5 placement matches too.
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On April 15 2015 22:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
MaNa is playing against bronze players on his stream and has to do 5 placement matches too.
Poor Bronzies. Even I didn't get a pro during my placements.
I ended up in Silver where so far I've died to 1 base Protoss bullshit and crushed a Terran in PvT. Hopefully I get back into gold pretty quick.
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So, 5 games it was for me as well and, haha, my last placement match was a PvP against  elfi which ended in a blink v blink fight with me attacking rocks below his ramp and then losing my entire mineral line to a 3 stalker counter attack. --> platinum and rightfully so :D
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LOL you played elfi
Lost my first match. It said that there was only 1 game but then there were 4 after that so its prob just a mistake
Still in diamond :1
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5 matches, had to play a diamond in my worst MU (aka TvT), and all that for gold league. RIP.
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Nobody should feel married to their current league after placement from a reset MMR. Calibration-phase MMR is too volatile for your starting league to matter very much. After you've played 20-30 games and you're still in the same league, then that badge will hold some weight.
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now i wont have time to ladder up to wcs matches................
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Blizzard probably tuned the league placement to be very conservative due the no mid-season demotion policy. If it is like that, I would advocate for a return of mid-season league demotions.
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I placed for the first time in ranked US today. Won 4, disconnected in one. I'm now bronze for the first time in my life. It's like hide and seek, the gateways can be anywhere!!!
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On April 16 2015 04:28 dala wrote:
Blizzard probably tuned the league placement to be very conservative due the no mid-season demotion policy. If it is like that, I would advocate for a return of mid-season league demotions.
When starting from blank MMR (as the MMRs were reset - 5 placements mean reset, 1 placement means carried MMR) you are placed conservatively. This means you are often (but not always) in lower league than your MMR at that point is (promotions are slightly delayed). MMR changes rapidly after blank start. But 25th match should promote you to your actual league (if you win that match. Promotions happen only after victories). For example the 25th match is the first possible time to get promoted to master league, even if the player's MMR may have been in master range even some 15 matches before.
The placements for stabilized accounts (1 placement match) are placed directly in 'correct league' based on the MMR after the placement match.
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Hey guys, don't be depressed if your initial placement is bad, my plat friend who started in silver this morning was back in plat this evening
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5-0 and I've got platinum. I used to be high diamond. It's one season that I try to play 1vs1 ladder and get high diamond, then Blizzard decides to reset ladder. :D
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On April 16 2015 05:30 darkness wrote:
5-0 and I've got platinum. I used to be high diamond. It's one season that I try to play 1vs1 ladder and get high diamond, then Blizzard decides to reset ladder. :D
Its just the distribution being shifted probably due to the more committed higher ranked players playing their placements day 1 and the more casual or lower level players not playing their placements day 1
Give it another week or two and the distribution will fix itself so long as ppl play.
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I was plat last season, played 4-1 and still plat, so nothing changed for me. But I like the MMR reset. Will help some people that were stuck and demote some people that didn't deserve their league but didn't get demoted since there are no more demotions  .
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On April 16 2015 06:03 ZeromuS wrote:
Its just the distribution being shifted probably due to the more committed higher ranked players playing their placements day 1 and the more casual or lower level players not playing their placements day 1
Give it another week or two and the distribution will fix itself so long as ppl play.
This is what I am seeing on NA today.
Spent last season in gold.
Today I won only 2 out of 5 placements, almost all players better than me, and placed into bronze.
Played a bunch of games since then and virtually everyone I've played is an unranked former diamond doing placements, almost all much better than me and on average much, much better than the gold leaguers I played last season. The weak metal leaguers from last season are nowhere to be seen. So my interpretation is that the better "try hard" players are active doing placements today and the weak metal leaguers from last season are taking a break so the ladder today skews towards much higher skill. I think if you were someone gold or below in previous seasons you are probably having a hard time today like me.
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So it may not be a global reset, because if it were, everyone who went 0-5 in Placements would end up in Bronze or Silver, and that doesn't appear to be the case for some really high-level Master/GM players who have gone 0-5 and placed in Diamond. Also, some low-level players who went 5-0 ended up in Silver. It could be that everyone was just thrown back into calibration phase and all that entails: the 5 placement matches, the more volatile rating changes over the first ~30 games, the conservative initial league placement, the 25-game requirement to get into Master league, all that stuff.
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Ye I left all 5 placements to confirm if its total reset but still got diamond (master last season) -_-
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was top gold last season with 1400 points. got placed in bronze. gg blizzard
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Just got promoted to masters. Hypuuuuuu
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was rank 3 dia last season. beat many master player. won 4 of my 5 placement matches.
and i got in...
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platin
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When is nios.kr going to show the new season? When I go to it, it is still the rankings from last season.
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On April 16 2015 11:57 ZackAttack wrote:
When is nios.kr going to show the new season? When I go to it, it is still the rankings from last season.
Nios.kr only pulls from the Battle.net web profiles, so it's the web profiles that need to be updated to the next season. This usually takes a day or two.
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as always my reaction to people's complaints is "if you play enough your MMR will settle to where you belong just like it always has, stop caring about the pride of being in a certain league". i started out playing bronzies and i've been battling back up. ok, so i played some boring games against some bad players. i got to practice my macro and experiment with builds and win games, boo hoo.
unless you're GM/pro level, then i suppose it might be annoying, but even still the solution is just keep playing. people stick their dicks way too far into the whole league concept
edit: plus now that my unranked MMR is reset i can start learning terran since it's the only race i can't play at a respectable level :D
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On April 16 2015 11:05 Charoisaur wrote:was rank 3 dia last season. beat many master player. won 4 of my 5 placement matches. and i got in... ... platin
Exactly the same for me. And as a platin, I have played other plat which were last season : one gold, two platin, 2 diam, 2 high master, one GM.
It's a bit crazy, not knowing at all your opponent level.
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Got demoted to silver after those placement matches (I even won vs a plat). I think these leagues won't mean much while the system stabilizes anyway.
Let's play and wait a week or two!
On April 16 2015 15:38 Vanadiel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 11:05 Charoisaur wrote:was rank 3 dia last season. beat many master player. won 4 of my 5 placement matches. and i got in... ... platin It's a bit crazy, not knowing at all your opponent level.
I actually think it's fun
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so:
last season: gm, master - best possible: dia, worst possible: plat
last season: dia - best possible: dia, worst possible: silver
last season: plat - best possible: plat. worst possible: silver
last season: gold, silver, bronze - best possible: plat, worst possible: bronze
is that correct? anyone different placement?
Edit: Update
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On April 17 2015 00:40 Wormi wrote:
so:
last season: gm, master - best possible: dia, worst possible: plat
last season: dia - best possible: dia, worst possible: plat
last season: plat - best possible: plat. worst possible: silver
last season: gold, silver, bronze - best possible: plat, worst possible: bronze
is that correct? anyone different placement?
It placed me in gold and I was diamond
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It's a bit silly. I know someone who gets master just beating a lot of diamand/platium. While Pro don't get promoted as they haven't a good winrate because they matched vs some GM players. Seems just a random : "promotion for who plays a lot of game early after ladder reset".
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On April 17 2015 01:11 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 00:40 Wormi wrote:
so:
last season: gm, master - best possible: dia, worst possible: plat
last season: dia - best possible: dia, worst possible: plat
last season: plat - best possible: plat. worst possible: silver
last season: gold, silver, bronze - best possible: plat, worst possible: bronze
is that correct? anyone different placement? It placed me in gold and I was diamond
It will normalize, though. I was placed in gold, last season I was (high) plat. I played like 5 matches, won all but one, got promoted back to plat right away.
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On April 15 2015 18:00 Gwavajuice wrote:
Plat friend of mine didn't play them serioulsy trying stupid stuff, he's now in silver league (lol!)
i was in diamond. got placed in silver. and now i'm in platinum.
i guess i'll get back into diamond after a few more games.
only theory i have is that i played my placement matches a few minutes after the reset and the only guys who played all 5 placement matches were really good players and the Blizz Ladder system was trying to fill out each league according to their stated proportions. so for the very short specific time period where i was playing SIlver was where i belonged.
i didn't know about the 25 match requirement for Master's League. that is probably also holding me back from getting back into Diamond. there are probably a glut of Masters players who don't play the game as much any more sitting in Diamond.
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LOL got demoted far down to Platinum, for some reason I only faced golds and platinum players. I smell a conspiracy!
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From scratch for me... which is nice, because I wanted to start playing random ^-^
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On April 17 2015 01:50 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
LOL got demoted far down to Platinum, for some reason I only faced golds and platinum players. I smell a conspiracy!
whatever league i'm in i know there are 10,000 15-year-olds who can roll over my main while playing Clash of Clans on their phone.
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On April 17 2015 01:06 woopr wrote:
did this change only affect NA/EU? KR started a day earlier and i don't recall any reports of this
Yes, only NA/EU for now. Similar changes will probably be rolled out to KR/SEA/CN if they're intending to maintain parity.
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Lost all my 5 placement matches to find out what I get and had my bronze.
Games are fun playing random and any strat I wanna, considering I was 14 times master or so.
Sry for doing this
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On April 17 2015 02:10 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Lost all my 5 placement matches to find out what I get and had my bronze. Games are fun playing random and any strat I wanna, considering I was 14 times master or so. Sry for doing this
It's ok. You actually gave me a free win. :D
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I do get the impression that promotions and league "sorting out" is happening faster than before. I've played two dozen games and already promoted twice from bronze into gold. Silver league still has a lot of former plat and diamonds.
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On April 17 2015 09:56 LordYama wrote:
I do get the impression that promotions and league "sorting out" is happening faster than before. I've played two dozen games and already promoted twice from bronze into gold. Silver league still has a lot of former plat and diamonds.
After starting from blank MMR the MMR changes rapidly for some ~30 matches before stabilizing (promotions based on MMR to player's actual league after 25th match or the first following win). After that the change rate will slow down just like before.
When starting from blank MMR the starting MMR value has usually been set to be something from the middle of the entire ladder MMR range (before first placement). But this time people's old MMRs may have affected that starting value more (Like Excalibur_z noted some of last season master players have reported that they were placed into higher leagues (platinum / diamond) even after losing all 5 placements).
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I won 2/5 qualifiers matches (lost to ex-dia, masters and plat), and got demoted to silver. Last season I was top-1 gold. We'll see how long will it take to get back to gold or even to platinum
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On NA: placement 4-1 got Platinum.
On EU: placement 3-2 got Gold.
Both accounts Plat previous season.
EU >> NA confirmed.
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I like the dynamic feel the ladder gets this way - if we look away from the few, who use this to tank themselves.
Im happy they did this, since people who have been away for a while (like myself) can get a fresh start (or so).. Even though this creates a bigger concentration of players in the lower leagues (atleast in the beginning) .. But after a few weeks , i really think the ladder is going to be alot better than before
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I am actually really enjoying ladder, love the maps, love the changes, had some fairly easy games but now its starting to get a lot more difficult, would really like to implement swarmhost into my play, although it seems near impossible lol
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They always keep a close eye on things but still manage to screw it up.
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I'm actually stuck in bronze on NA right now, the amount of crazy shit is monumental, it's actually hard to practice my Z and T because of it lol
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it took all this time to screw everything up so bad, it'll be a while still before the ladder gets better. you still have a ton of people stuck in the lower three leagues where they don't belong, and it will be hard to get out. if blizzard can keep the broken mmr decay disabled for a few seasons, it should start to even out to where they want it to be.
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On April 17 2015 18:40 RHoudini wrote:
On NA: placement 4-1 got Platinum.
On EU: placement 3-2 got Gold.
Both accounts Plat previous season.
EU >> NA confirmed.
On EU 4-1 got Platinum. On NA 1-4 got Platinum (my usual league) ... Looks like 5 matches instead of 1, but with still MMR kept. Perhaps shifting faster than it usually does though.
- Got 2 matches in the first 10 on eu after a win streak, that were high master last season (lost 1 then 2 points)
- Got a bunch of losses on NA, ended with a win against a bronze player (14min 3tanks/20marines timing)
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I was diamond last season, went 5-0 in placement matches, but I got placed into platinum. Not sure how that happened. On the plus side, after 10 games I got back into diamond, and after another 10 got put into masters. Did they reset the league mmr thresholds too?
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nios.kr is still fucked up whereas it usually normalizes after 2 days. I hope it gets sorted out quick, we have no idea of our current ranking right now.
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On April 18 2015 08:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
nios.kr is still fucked up whereas it usually normalizes after 2 days. I hope it gets sorted out quick, we have no idea of our current ranking right now.
Nios doesn't help with that at all, it's literally completely irrelevant for that purpose.
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It's not a reset at all. The mmr stayed same but you had a wider range of opponents and mmr shifted more quickly during the first games.
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I got promoted to diamond on game 25 and then to masters on game 26. I've never seen back to back promotions like that before!
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On April 18 2015 10:11 LordOfDabu wrote:
I got promoted to diamond on game 25 and then to masters on game 26. I've never seen back to back promotions like that before!
That became possible ever since they took out the "skipping a league" thing.
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anybody know whats up with nios.kr? no updates past 4 days
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Figured I'd check online since I thought it was weird I was GM last season, but played no one higher than a Diamond last season. Well it was an easy 5-0.
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On April 18 2015 09:31 KingAlphard wrote:
It's not a reset at all. The mmr stayed same but you had a wider range of opponents and mmr shifted more quickly during the first games.
That's effectively a reset. Your MMR will make huge jumps during your placement matches, and you are playing against people with equally volatile MMRs.
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On April 18 2015 17:22 Mendelfist wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 09:31 KingAlphard wrote:
It's not a reset at all. The mmr stayed same but you had a wider range of opponents and mmr shifted more quickly during the first games. That's effectively a reset. Your MMR will make huge jumps during your placement matches, and you are playing against people with equally volatile MMRs.
How is it possible that I haven't played anyone below diamond league since the start of the season? I'm talking about season 2 league, not season 1, so they had to have fairly high MMRs. Normally when you start on a fresh account you only play against silver-gold leaguers.
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How relevant are the stats at sc2ranks.com? The league distribution on the EU server looks quite healthy there now, Masters 2.08% for example.
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On April 18 2015 09:28 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 08:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
nios.kr is still fucked up whereas it usually normalizes after 2 days. I hope it gets sorted out quick, we have no idea of our current ranking right now. Nios doesn't help with that at all, it's literally completely irrelevant for that purpose.
Why's that?
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I am not really sure whether I like this ladder reset or not.
It just seems that there are too many promotions at the time. Especially because they go out to the wrong people.
Sure we should give it some more time to fully kick in, but even now I play low masters again who should not be there.
I still think bringing back demotions would solve most of the problem.
We could be in the situation again, where everybody can get up to masters easily and leagues do not mean anything anymore.
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On April 18 2015 23:41 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 17:22 Mendelfist wrote:On April 18 2015 09:31 KingAlphard wrote:
It's not a reset at all. The mmr stayed same but you had a wider range of opponents and mmr shifted more quickly during the first games. That's effectively a reset. Your MMR will make huge jumps during your placement matches, and you are playing against people with equally volatile MMRs. How is it possible that I haven't played anyone below diamond league since the start of the season? I'm talking about season 2 league, not season 1, so they had to have fairly high MMRs. Normally when you start on a fresh account you only play against silver-gold leaguers.
Yeah it wasn't a reset. Every player I was matched against so far (25 games) was diamond or master last season.
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now i know why i was getting destroyed by random barcodes
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I'm curious how this will not make GM even more skewed than possible, as previous posters have stated, it seems way to easy to get into Masters at the moment lol
EDIT : Or maybe people getting to Masters after a few weeks will once again become a problem because of the amount of promotions we are seeing now?
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Was silver.
Went 3-2 in placement, beat two silvers and a gold. Got placed in bronze. Since then I've been matched against gold and plat players and can't win a game. WTF Blizzard?
I know I suck, but let me have some fun here
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After a long hiatus, I placed in gold, then went 4-1 in placements and got plat and having difficulty winning now. But my play is also very inconsistent so... whatever, having fun.
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On April 19 2015 00:19 velvex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 09:28 Excalibur_Z wrote:On April 18 2015 08:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
nios.kr is still fucked up whereas it usually normalizes after 2 days. I hope it gets sorted out quick, we have no idea of our current ranking right now. Nios doesn't help with that at all, it's literally completely irrelevant for that purpose. Why's that?
Because Nios (and SC2Ranks and all the other scraper sites) only reports how many points each player has in their division and that doesn't tell you anything about someone's "current ranking" or whether they're close to a promotion.
Player A plays his placement matches and finishes with 1500 MMR. Player B plays his placement matches and finishes with 1200 MMR. Both are placed into Diamond. The Master boundary is 1550. Player A needs much fewer wins, and will therefore collect much fewer points, before getting promoted to Master. Player B will appear to be a much better player especially if he plays more often, because he'll get a lot of free points from bonus pool and grinding out wins, even though his MMR is much lower. Reddit starts a pitchfork campaign when Player A gets his "undeserved promotion" much earlier than Player B, who may never even get it at all because 350 rating is a long way to go.
(I'm deliberately simplifying this example and not mentioning the calibration phase stuff)
Then there are the other effects Nios has on people, like "you have to have X points to get promoted" or "you have to be Top X on the server to get promoted" and it's much more nuanced and complex than that. But, because it's the only source of global rankings that we have, people are bound to draw those conclusions.
On April 19 2015 03:16 schu_22 wrote:
Was silver.
Went 3-2 in placement, beat two silvers and a gold. Got placed in bronze. Since then I've been matched against gold and plat players and can't win a game. WTF Blizzard?
I know I suck, but let me have some fun here
Sounds like you're actually Silver, or maybe Gold, but your league placement was conservative (as was everyone's this season). Your league icon should reflect that after around 25 total games played.
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Thank you for the explanation! I've always been under the impression that points approximate MMR well enough for players that spend their bonus pool constantly and have played a sufficient amount of games in the season (that is, the higher part of Diamond where I was last season), so nios.kr at least gave me an idea how many Diamond players there are above me.
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On April 18 2015 10:11 LordOfDabu wrote:
I got promoted to diamond on game 25 and then to masters on game 26. I've never seen back to back promotions like that before!
Wow. I have a friend who is high GM NA, GM EU, GM KR. Currently 58-0 on NA, still in Diamond.
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how do you get promotion in new system?
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A lot of people have insane ratios and points in diamond and still won't get promoted while some people seem to have gotten the masters icon quite early with average-ish records. I don't think I understand the new promotion system very well.
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On April 19 2015 09:33 NonY wrote:
how do you get promotion in new system?
Pretty much the same as before (there may be potential small changes, but about the same) :
a) Account that has been MMR reset:
Promotions are slightly delayed (the initial placement is conservative). The 25th match (if you win or consecutive victory) will promote you to your actual league. 25th match is the first chance for master promotion (the MMR can reach master range rapidly, so it may have been there already in some 10 games or even less).
b) Stabilized accounts (more than 25 games after blank start):
When your MMR goes over the league threshold you are promoted. This is not based on MMR moving average like it was during WoL era. Also placement matches put you into league based on your MMR (MMR after placement match).
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(The MMR may still change more rapidly than normal after 25 matches after reset, but that is the point where promotions are made. The exact amount of matches after the MMR change rate stabilizes is unknown... likely some 25 to 40 matches).
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On April 19 2015 06:11 Mistakes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 10:11 LordOfDabu wrote:
I got promoted to diamond on game 25 and then to masters on game 26. I've never seen back to back promotions like that before! Wow. I have a friend who is high GM NA, GM EU, GM KR. Currently 58-0 on NA, still in Diamond.
I don't see a 58-0 guy in Diamond on NA on Nios, do you have a profile link?
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Seems like master league is inflated again similar to the beginning of hots: http://nios.kr/sc2/global/1v1/hots/
Also there are some players who were high gm last season still in diamond with ~50 games played.
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A former mid-high masters player here, after 4 months of inactivity I decided to start laddering again at the start of this season. My first match was against a gold player, which I thought was low but made sense given the MMR decay. Ended up having an extremely close match with this guy, checked his profile afterwards and he was GM in 2015 S1. Played the rest of my placement matches, went either 3-2 or 4-1 I can't remember, got into diamond. After game 25 I made masters. Played against several 'diamond' players since who were 2015 S1 GM.
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I think resets like this should be more often. I was platinum last 2 seasons and got to diamond this season, on 25th game.
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Well then. I'm currently in Gold league and I got proxy reaper'd by [pLine]Stabillo today. I don't think this will encourage me to ladder more :S
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One thing I don't understand : master league is currently too big (though with GM opening it should get thinner) and several huge names (ForGG, Petraeus, NaNiwa, Lilbow, Snute, ShoWTimE, MaNa, Verdi and many others) are still in diamond with ludicrous winrates and points. Seems like they messed up a bit and opened a bit too much at the beginning of the season ?
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On April 19 2015 21:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:
One thing I don't understand : master league is currently too big (though with GM opening it should get thinner) and several huge names (ForGG, Petraeus, NaNiwa, Lilbow, Snute, ShoWTimE, MaNa, Verdi and many others) are still in diamond with ludicrous winrates and points. Seems like they messed up a bit and opened a bit too much at the beginning of the season ?
At this point you cannot analyse if the master is 'too big'. Remember that top contains the most active players.
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
On April 19 2015 20:40 Bastinian wrote:
I think resets like this should be more often. I was platinum last 2 seasons and got to diamond this season, on 25th game.
This kind of resets should not be needed anymore as MMR decay was removed. It was the MMR decay that pushed general MMRs downwards all the time. If you maintained your skill level you only went downwards. But now as decay was removed and MMRs reset, the ladder should be much healthier in the future. Of course it is little chaotic at start but then things settle. It remains to be seen how good league thresholds / offsets they have picked. One could guess they are using something as the summer 2013 offsets.
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I played one placement game and placed masters on KR server this season. I finished 14th place diamond with 58% win rate last season and played maybe 4 or 5 games total during the final 3 weeks. My friends in NA had to play 5 games and had odd placements, even though some of them were borderline GM last season. I'm not sure what the deal is, but things like this seem to have been happening at the beginning of the last few ladder seasons; I finished top 8 masters on NA two seasons ago, placed platinum the following season, and never made it into masters throughout the portion of the season I played.
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On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/
the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow.
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On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow.
Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges.
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On April 20 2015 00:36 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow. Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges.
As far as I'm concerned, there hasn't been any reset, just higher volatility. Those players still being in diamond puzzles me a bit but I guess we'll see more clearly tomorrow when GM league opens.
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On April 20 2015 00:36 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow. Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges.
The ones at the top with 75%+ winrates have absolutely no way of having tanked their MMR with those ratios this early and they have 50+ games played which should be more than enough to send someone to masters. ForGG and other pros being stuck in diamond almost a week later shouldn't be happening imo
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On April 20 2015 00:50 Sworn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 00:36 korona wrote:On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow. Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges. The ones at the top with 75%+ winrates have absolutely no way of having tanked their MMR with those ratios this early and they have 50+ games played which should be more than enough to send someone to masters. ForGG and other pros being stuck in diamond almost a week later shouldn't be happening imo
50 wins more than loses is not enough to get someone in masters if the change rate has stabilized and MMR was low when stabilization had happened. If they are using summer 2013 offsets then it takes some 20 wins per league (did not check old numbers). Of course in-game match history could tell more (e.g. did most of their loses come at start and then only win streak).
Edit: Hmm. Snute had started 18-11 (5-0 placements).. His 25th was lost... and first subsequent win was 29th match. Did not check opponent leagues thought. And now he is at 46-22. so 28-11 --> + 17 after that (about 1 league wide if they are using summer 2013 offsets, last season it usually required more than 40 wins more than loses to cross diamond). Should check some of his opponents. But then again if he was one of the first who played, he may have got quite low starting MMR after 5-0 placements. And if the loses were against people with low MMR then it very well be possible that he was low when his change rate stabilized (e.g. plat range)
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On April 20 2015 01:12 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 00:50 Sworn wrote:On April 20 2015 00:36 korona wrote:On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow. Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges. The ones at the top with 75%+ winrates have absolutely no way of having tanked their MMR with those ratios this early and they have 50+ games played which should be more than enough to send someone to masters. ForGG and other pros being stuck in diamond almost a week later shouldn't be happening imo 50 wins more than loses is not enough to get someone in masters if the change rate has stabilized and MMR was low when stabilization had happened. If they are using summer 2013 offsets then it takes some 20 wins per league (did not check old numbers). Of course in-game match history could tell more (e.g. did most of their loses come at start and then only win streak). Edit: Hmm. Snute had started 18-11 (5-0 placements).. His 25th was lost... and first subsequent win was 29th match. Did not check opponent leagues thought. And now he is at 46-22. so 28-11 --> + 17 after that (about 1 league wide if they are using summer 2013 offsets, last season it usually required more than 40 wins more than loses to cross diamond). Should check some of his opponents. But then again if he was one of the first who played, he may have got quite low starting MMR after 5-0 placements. And if the loses were against people with low MMR then it very well be possible that he was low when his change rate stabilized (e.g. plat range)
The thing is their MMRs aren't low. I looked at the match history of some of those "fake" diamond players and they mostly play between each other, but they get less points for winning against master league players.
In fact, I think it's obvious that if you have >500 points in diamond after 4 days of ladder, you don't belong there.
By the way, if you can't get 2 promotions at once, they probably can't even get to GM right? Unless blizzard fixes it before that.
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On April 20 2015 06:37 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 01:12 korona wrote:On April 20 2015 00:50 Sworn wrote:On April 20 2015 00:36 korona wrote:On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow. Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges. The ones at the top with 75%+ winrates have absolutely no way of having tanked their MMR with those ratios this early and they have 50+ games played which should be more than enough to send someone to masters. ForGG and other pros being stuck in diamond almost a week later shouldn't be happening imo 50 wins more than loses is not enough to get someone in masters if the change rate has stabilized and MMR was low when stabilization had happened. If they are using summer 2013 offsets then it takes some 20 wins per league (did not check old numbers). Of course in-game match history could tell more (e.g. did most of their loses come at start and then only win streak). Edit: Hmm. Snute had started 18-11 (5-0 placements).. His 25th was lost... and first subsequent win was 29th match. Did not check opponent leagues thought. And now he is at 46-22. so 28-11 --> + 17 after that (about 1 league wide if they are using summer 2013 offsets, last season it usually required more than 40 wins more than loses to cross diamond). Should check some of his opponents. But then again if he was one of the first who played, he may have got quite low starting MMR after 5-0 placements. And if the loses were against people with low MMR then it very well be possible that he was low when his change rate stabilized (e.g. plat range) The thing is their MMRs aren't low. I looked at the match history of some of those "fake" diamond players and they mostly play between each other, but they get less points for winning against master league players. In fact, I think it's obvious that if you have >500 points in diamond after 4 days of ladder, you don't belong there. By the way, if you can't get 2 promotions at once, they probably can't even get to GM right? Unless blizzard fixes it before that.
GM is an invite league so it operates a little differently. It takes whoever the top 200 MMR people regardless of their current league. Back in the TW region a few years ago there weren't even 200 Master players to put into GM so it used some Diamonds.
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Masters league seems to be way easier this season than last one. So I finally got promoted to masters in HotS.
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Anybody know when GM opens?
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On April 20 2015 01:12 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 00:50 Sworn wrote:On April 20 2015 00:36 korona wrote:On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow. Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges. The ones at the top with 75%+ winrates have absolutely no way of having tanked their MMR with those ratios this early and they have 50+ games played which should be more than enough to send someone to masters. ForGG and other pros being stuck in diamond almost a week later shouldn't be happening imo 50 wins more than loses is not enough to get someone in masters if the change rate has stabilized and MMR was low when stabilization had happened. If they are using summer 2013 offsets then it takes some 20 wins per league (did not check old numbers). Of course in-game match history could tell more (e.g. did most of their loses come at start and then only win streak). Edit: Hmm. Snute had started 18-11 (5-0 placements).. His 25th was lost... and first subsequent win was 29th match. Did not check opponent leagues thought. And now he is at 46-22. so 28-11 --> + 17 after that (about 1 league wide if they are using summer 2013 offsets, last season it usually required more than 40 wins more than loses to cross diamond). Should check some of his opponents. But then again if he was one of the first who played, he may have got quite low starting MMR after 5-0 placements. And if the loses were against people with low MMR then it very well be possible that he was low when his change rate stabilized (e.g. plat range)
50 more wins than losses is actually huge... at 250 games played that's a 60% win ratio (150/100), when its 50-20 its even more glaring and those people should definitely be sent to Masters. Even using your 2013 metric of 20 wins per league for promo this would have people like Snute going from Plat - Masters after accumulating over 40 wins and I can guarantee you the metrics for promotions are currently more relaxed than in 2013.
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On April 20 2015 09:02 Sworn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 01:12 korona wrote:On April 20 2015 00:50 Sworn wrote:On April 20 2015 00:36 korona wrote:On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow. Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges. The ones at the top with 75%+ winrates have absolutely no way of having tanked their MMR with those ratios this early and they have 50+ games played which should be more than enough to send someone to masters. ForGG and other pros being stuck in diamond almost a week later shouldn't be happening imo 50 wins more than loses is not enough to get someone in masters if the change rate has stabilized and MMR was low when stabilization had happened. If they are using summer 2013 offsets then it takes some 20 wins per league (did not check old numbers). Of course in-game match history could tell more (e.g. did most of their loses come at start and then only win streak). Edit: Hmm. Snute had started 18-11 (5-0 placements).. His 25th was lost... and first subsequent win was 29th match. Did not check opponent leagues thought. And now he is at 46-22. so 28-11 --> + 17 after that (about 1 league wide if they are using summer 2013 offsets, last season it usually required more than 40 wins more than loses to cross diamond). Should check some of his opponents. But then again if he was one of the first who played, he may have got quite low starting MMR after 5-0 placements. And if the loses were against people with low MMR then it very well be possible that he was low when his change rate stabilized (e.g. plat range) 50 more wins than losses is actually huge... at 250 games played that's a 60% win ratio (150/100), when its 50-20 its even more glaring and those people should definitely be sent to Masters. Even using your 2013 metric of 20 wins per league for promo this would have people like Snute going from Plat - Masters after accumulating over 40 wins and I can guarantee you the metrics for promotions are currently more relaxed than in 2013.
You did not understand. What matters is what their MMR was when their MMR change rate stabilized (happens likely around 25th to 35th game, exact point is unknown). After the stabilization happened the changes happen slowly. They may have e.g. been unlucky to play against each others a lot in the beginning (both sides having lowish MMR) and getting loses.
Also note that I am not ruling out that there could have been potential problems regarding their accounts, but it is likely too that their MMR was just low enough when the stabilization happened that it now takes time to go up to reach master.
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On April 20 2015 07:18 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 06:37 KingAlphard wrote:On April 20 2015 01:12 korona wrote:On April 20 2015 00:50 Sworn wrote:On April 20 2015 00:36 korona wrote:On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow. Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges. The ones at the top with 75%+ winrates have absolutely no way of having tanked their MMR with those ratios this early and they have 50+ games played which should be more than enough to send someone to masters. ForGG and other pros being stuck in diamond almost a week later shouldn't be happening imo 50 wins more than loses is not enough to get someone in masters if the change rate has stabilized and MMR was low when stabilization had happened. If they are using summer 2013 offsets then it takes some 20 wins per league (did not check old numbers). Of course in-game match history could tell more (e.g. did most of their loses come at start and then only win streak). Edit: Hmm. Snute had started 18-11 (5-0 placements).. His 25th was lost... and first subsequent win was 29th match. Did not check opponent leagues thought. And now he is at 46-22. so 28-11 --> + 17 after that (about 1 league wide if they are using summer 2013 offsets, last season it usually required more than 40 wins more than loses to cross diamond). Should check some of his opponents. But then again if he was one of the first who played, he may have got quite low starting MMR after 5-0 placements. And if the loses were against people with low MMR then it very well be possible that he was low when his change rate stabilized (e.g. plat range) The thing is their MMRs aren't low. I looked at the match history of some of those "fake" diamond players and they mostly play between each other, but they get less points for winning against master league players. In fact, I think it's obvious that if you have >500 points in diamond after 4 days of ladder, you don't belong there. By the way, if you can't get 2 promotions at once, they probably can't even get to GM right? Unless blizzard fixes it before that. GM is an invite league so it operates a little differently. It takes whoever the top 200 MMR people regardless of their current league. Back in the TW region a few years ago there weren't even 200 Master players to put into GM so it used some Diamonds.
Thought based on Sea server there are nowadays some other hidden requirements as otherwise the Sea GM would have more players. Could e.g. be a manually set minimum MMR that is required to reach gm?
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On April 20 2015 12:49 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 07:18 Excalibur_Z wrote:On April 20 2015 06:37 KingAlphard wrote:On April 20 2015 01:12 korona wrote:On April 20 2015 00:50 Sworn wrote:On April 20 2015 00:36 korona wrote:On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow. Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges. The ones at the top with 75%+ winrates have absolutely no way of having tanked their MMR with those ratios this early and they have 50+ games played which should be more than enough to send someone to masters. ForGG and other pros being stuck in diamond almost a week later shouldn't be happening imo 50 wins more than loses is not enough to get someone in masters if the change rate has stabilized and MMR was low when stabilization had happened. If they are using summer 2013 offsets then it takes some 20 wins per league (did not check old numbers). Of course in-game match history could tell more (e.g. did most of their loses come at start and then only win streak). Edit: Hmm. Snute had started 18-11 (5-0 placements).. His 25th was lost... and first subsequent win was 29th match. Did not check opponent leagues thought. And now he is at 46-22. so 28-11 --> + 17 after that (about 1 league wide if they are using summer 2013 offsets, last season it usually required more than 40 wins more than loses to cross diamond). Should check some of his opponents. But then again if he was one of the first who played, he may have got quite low starting MMR after 5-0 placements. And if the loses were against people with low MMR then it very well be possible that he was low when his change rate stabilized (e.g. plat range) The thing is their MMRs aren't low. I looked at the match history of some of those "fake" diamond players and they mostly play between each other, but they get less points for winning against master league players. In fact, I think it's obvious that if you have >500 points in diamond after 4 days of ladder, you don't belong there. By the way, if you can't get 2 promotions at once, they probably can't even get to GM right? Unless blizzard fixes it before that. GM is an invite league so it operates a little differently. It takes whoever the top 200 MMR people regardless of their current league. Back in the TW region a few years ago there weren't even 200 Master players to put into GM so it used some Diamonds. Thought based on Sea server there are nowadays some other hidden requirements as otherwise the Sea GM would have more players. Could e.g. be a manually set minimum MMR that is required to reach gm?
Well the top 200 spaces are "reserved" via being higher than the 200th player's MMR. So if I'm #200 and my MMR is 2000, then that becomes the GM entry point, first come, first served. If I never play and win my game, or someone else surpasses my MMR and GM fills up before I can play, I won't get in. TW didn't have enough Masters period so that made the GM entry barrier relatively low, in the Diamond zone. SEA should have enough Masters, but if they never play to take their spots, those spots will go unfilled until someone does.
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You know, I was just thinking... and this is just a passing thought, not really a theory. What if when the season roll happened, they never actually turned off GM league, but they still froze promotions into it until it unlocks? So Snute and ForGG and all these other obviously-GM players could actually technically be in GM league, and the system thinks they're in GM league, so they never get out of Diamond until GM officially unlocks. Obviously it should never ever work like this, but there are a lot of things this season that are turning out to be odd.
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On April 20 2015 14:35 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 12:49 korona wrote:On April 20 2015 07:18 Excalibur_Z wrote:On April 20 2015 06:37 KingAlphard wrote:On April 20 2015 01:12 korona wrote:On April 20 2015 00:50 Sworn wrote:On April 20 2015 00:36 korona wrote:On April 19 2015 23:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 19 2015 22:41 korona wrote:
But can you provide profile links for the players you mentioned?
http://nios.kr/sc2/eu/1v1/hots/diamond/the best ratios are just ludicrous ^^. I guess they'll make the jump directly to GM tomorrow. Problem is that we don't know how low those accounts started. They may have tanked their MMR at start as they still have quite plenty of loses. And after some 25 to 35 games the change rate slows down. And then it is slow to go over league ranges. The ones at the top with 75%+ winrates have absolutely no way of having tanked their MMR with those ratios this early and they have 50+ games played which should be more than enough to send someone to masters. ForGG and other pros being stuck in diamond almost a week later shouldn't be happening imo 50 wins more than loses is not enough to get someone in masters if the change rate has stabilized and MMR was low when stabilization had happened. If they are using summer 2013 offsets then it takes some 20 wins per league (did not check old numbers). Of course in-game match history could tell more (e.g. did most of their loses come at start and then only win streak). Edit: Hmm. Snute had started 18-11 (5-0 placements).. His 25th was lost... and first subsequent win was 29th match. Did not check opponent leagues thought. And now he is at 46-22. so 28-11 --> + 17 after that (about 1 league wide if they are using summer 2013 offsets, last season it usually required more than 40 wins more than loses to cross diamond). Should check some of his opponents. But then again if he was one of the first who played, he may have got quite low starting MMR after 5-0 placements. And if the loses were against people with low MMR then it very well be possible that he was low when his change rate stabilized (e.g. plat range) The thing is their MMRs aren't low. I looked at the match history of some of those "fake" diamond players and they mostly play between each other, but they get less points for winning against master league players. In fact, I think it's obvious that if you have >500 points in diamond after 4 days of ladder, you don't belong there. By the way, if you can't get 2 promotions at once, they probably can't even get to GM right? Unless blizzard fixes it before that. GM is an invite league so it operates a little differently. It takes whoever the top 200 MMR people regardless of their current league. Back in the TW region a few years ago there weren't even 200 Master players to put into GM so it used some Diamonds. Thought based on Sea server there are nowadays some other hidden requirements as otherwise the Sea GM would have more players. Could e.g. be a manually set minimum MMR that is required to reach gm? Well the top 200 spaces are "reserved" via being higher than the 200th player's MMR. So if I'm #200 and my MMR is 2000, then that becomes the GM entry point, first come, first served. If I never play and win my game, or someone else surpasses my MMR and GM fills up before I can play, I won't get in. TW didn't have enough Masters period so that made the GM entry barrier relatively low, in the Diamond zone. SEA should have enough Masters, but if they never play to take their spots, those spots will go unfilled until someone does.
Most seasons SEA server has only some tens of master league players when GM opens. Thus the entry point of 200 active players who have the highest MMRs would end up being lower than master MMR. Also many of the master + diamond players likely would not satisfy the GM activity rule (90 bonus pool for entry, 180 to be kicked out of gm). If looking at the nios.kr figures from last season one could expect that the entry point would be somewhere at the bottom of diamond range. But still only tens of players are placed to GM. I find it strange that so considerable portion of the eligible players would not reclaim their GM spot (do so considerable portion of them go inactive just before GM opens). Thus I speculate that there is some hidden minimum rule nowadays (that rule was not there couple of years ago. I remember the TW numbers too).
Below you can find nios.kr numbers for 72 first hours after GM opened at SEA from last season:
+ Show Spoiler +2014-07-13 18:00:30 CET, 2246 players, gm 0.00% (0), master 1.65% (37), diamond 8.99% (202), platinum 16.74% (376), gold 32.77% (736), silver 28.23% (634), bronze 11.62% (261)
2014-07-14 17:57:43 CET, 2410 players, gm 1.37% (33), master 0.83% (20), diamond 8.59% (207), platinum 16.47% (397), gold 32.90% (793), silver 28.92% (697), bronze 10.91% (263)
2014-07-15 17:55:20 CET, 2532 players, gm 1.46% (37), master 0.71% (18), diamond 8.49% (215), platinum 16.43% (416), gold 33.33% (844), silver 28.99% (734), bronze 10.58% (268)
2014-07-16 17:50:22 CET, 2651 players, gm 1.43% (38), master ,0.72% (19), diamond 8.37% (222), platinum 16.71% (443), gold 33.12% (878), silver 29.12% (772), bronze 10.52% (279)
On April 20 2015 14:57 Excalibur_Z wrote:
You know, I was just thinking... and this is just a passing thought, not really a theory. What if when the season roll happened, they never actually turned off GM league, but they still froze promotions into it until it unlocks? So Snute and ForGG and all these other obviously-GM players could actually technically be in GM league, and the system thinks they're in GM league, so they never get out of Diamond until GM officially unlocks. Obviously it should never ever work like this, but there are a lot of things this season that are turning out to be odd.
It will be interesting to wait and see if one of those accounts jumps directly from diamond to gm when gm opens. Will be interesting to see did they just have bad luck regarding their early game opponents that caused their MMR to be fairly low when their change rate stabilized or is there some problems with the system.
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On April 20 2015 17:12 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 14:57 Excalibur_Z wrote:
You know, I was just thinking... and this is just a passing thought, not really a theory. What if when the season roll happened, they never actually turned off GM league, but they still froze promotions into it until it unlocks? So Snute and ForGG and all these other obviously-GM players could actually technically be in GM league, and the system thinks they're in GM league, so they never get out of Diamond until GM officially unlocks. Obviously it should never ever work like this, but there are a lot of things this season that are turning out to be odd. Well.... something like this might happen if the system can't keep up with MMR changes as I once tested.. Top 16 League Drop + Show Spoiler +1 Game After Drop + Show Spoiler +4 Losses later + Show Spoiler +Near 1,000 BP and no wins and back in GM, wut LOL
I presume this happened during the ladder lock period? Couple of seasons ago I noticed that the bonus pool entry requirement seems not to apply during the ladder lock period. There was one top 16 gm player back then (who had been full season in top) who used 'leave league' during the ladder lock and was then placed back (I presumed it was directly after placement, but could have been 1 match after). Thus I guess the GM entry activity rule does not apply during ladder lock period --> If there is space on GM and your MMR is high enough you will get back via leaving the league and playing the placement match.
Hmm. If I remember his nick correctly it was also a barcode. Wonder if I spotted you back then
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On April 20 2015 14:57 Excalibur_Z wrote:
You know, I was just thinking... and this is just a passing thought, not really a theory. What if when the season roll happened, they never actually turned off GM league, but they still froze promotions into it until it unlocks? So Snute and ForGG and all these other obviously-GM players could actually technically be in GM league, and the system thinks they're in GM league, so they never get out of Diamond until GM officially unlocks. Obviously it should never ever work like this, but there are a lot of things this season that are turning out to be odd.
But this didn't affect all players that were GM last season, only the top 50 or something. Unless it affected those that had top 200 MMR rather than GM players, then it might be possible because of those master league smurfs with higher MMR than most GMs.
EDIT: There's a player named Guru on EU who didn't finish GM last season, but he had an extremely high MMR, around top 50 (he likes to leave league continuously) , and he is stuck in diamond with 800 points this season. So that might confirm what I stated above.
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On April 15 2015 18:48 korona wrote:
(if you win that match as promotions only happen won games).
Source? I'm fairly sure I've been promoted after losses.
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I have the opposite problem most people seem to suffer in this thread. Well, "problem".
I came back from an almost year long hiatus from Starcraft, and I was pretty scrappy back when I quit. Platinum back then. So I get back, and place into silver. That's probably about where I'd expect to end up. 5 games later, I was gold. 10 later, I was platinum. 10 games later, and I'm top ranked in diamond league. This is not intended to be a humblebrag: I do not play at a diamond level. I've been diamond a few times before, and it took a lot more effort than what I've put into this comeback. Platinum is maybe plausible, Gold much more likely. Fuck, I'm doing half my builds from nearly year old memory, so I'm fairly sure to be botching them like crazy.
I've got about 60-70% win rate, and while some wins have been drops and dumb luck, most of the players I'm facing honestly aren't that experienced.
I don't even know what's going on. The only factor I can imagine as a cause is that I usually play at off hours (4-7 AM). So the pool of players I'm matched against is disproportionately likely to be high, drunk, tired, or otherwise impaired.
Still, feels like I'm being pranked by Blizzard.
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I was platinum for many seasons and after 5 matches played, 2 won 3 lost, i got placed in silver.Based on that i would say MMR was reset.
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On April 21 2015 21:09 Liman wrote:
I was platinum for many seasons and after 5 matches played, 2 won 3 lost, i got placed in silver.Based on that i would say MMR was reset.
Not conclusive evidence at all. The combination of increased volatility and conservative league placement easily explains that. Your MMR falls a little bit via losing more than winning, maybe down to Gold, then safe estimate is to put you in Silver.
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Snute, Verdi and other high level players stuck in diamond have been promoted to GM. So it looks like the problem is being solved by itself.
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I don't know about you guys but I'm honestly just excited to read "I got into masters back when it was actually hard" once everything settles down
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On April 22 2015 09:16 KingAlphard wrote:
Snute, Verdi and other high level players stuck in diamond have been promoted to GM. So it looks like the problem is being solved by itself.
They fixed it =)
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I haven't played much last season. Now that exams are done, I can dedicate a lot more time to video games. Went 4-1 during my placement matches and I got placed in Platinum.
Now if only I can practice my off race and not lose my current ranking or MMR...
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On April 22 2015 12:54 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 09:16 KingAlphard wrote:
Snute, Verdi and other high level players stuck in diamond have been promoted to GM. So it looks like the problem is being solved by itself. They fixed it =)
Or maybe not? ForGG is still diamond even though he has won several games after GM opened.
I don't think we can question that his MMR is high enough.
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Actually, I've found that if you leave league this season, you will need to do your 5 placement matches over again. So I wouldn't be surprised if people use that to quickly boost their accounts.
Like spam a whole bunch of games, get higher ranking in your league, don't mind w/l ratio and then leave league with your new higher MMR and basically a clean w/l ratio slate.
And because it was indeed a hard ladder reset, you can do this over and over for the whole season.
Haha, considering doing that. I got the idea after seeing one of my in-game friends leave league over and over again. Already playing almost 500 games since season start. O_O
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I've played vs 2 Protosses so far this season. That's always been my best MU. Also a bunch of Zergs, which is fine and no problem. And then a bunch of plat-diamond Terrans as the majority of opponents, in my absolute worst MU, and only 2 of 15 didn't play mech. The ladder is currently bullying me and I can't be bothered playing if it's not fun (because where's the point when it's not fun?).
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On April 22 2015 18:15 `dunedain wrote:
Actually, I've found that if you leave league this season, you will need to do your 5 placement matches over again. So I wouldn't be surprised if people use that to quickly boost their accounts.
Like spam a whole bunch of games, get higher ranking in your league, don't mind w/l ratio and then leave league with your new higher MMR and basically a clean w/l ratio slate.
And because it was indeed a hard ladder reset, you can do this over and over for the whole season.
Haha, considering doing that. I got the idea after seeing one of my in-game friends leave league over and over again. Already playing almost 500 games since season start. O_O
When HotS was launched 2 years ago there were reports that people who left league had to do 5 placements again. Exact rule when this happened remained unknown. But it was speculated that the rule was something to do amount of games played after blank start (before MMR change rate has stabilized). Do you have more information how many games have they played between their 5 placements and leaving league?
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On April 23 2015 03:10 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 18:15 `dunedain wrote:
Actually, I've found that if you leave league this season, you will need to do your 5 placement matches over again. So I wouldn't be surprised if people use that to quickly boost their accounts.
Like spam a whole bunch of games, get higher ranking in your league, don't mind w/l ratio and then leave league with your new higher MMR and basically a clean w/l ratio slate.
And because it was indeed a hard ladder reset, you can do this over and over for the whole season.
Haha, considering doing that. I got the idea after seeing one of my in-game friends leave league over and over again. Already playing almost 500 games since season start. O_O When HotS was launched 2 years ago there were reports that people who left league had to do 5 placements again. Exact rule when this happened remained unknown. But it was speculated that the rule was something to do amount of games played after blank start (before MMR change rate has stabilized). Do you have more information how many games have they played between their 5 placements and leaving league?
I guess the reset is hard coded to the season, so that means anyone that does their placement on NA or EU this season will have to do 5 placement matches everytime. The thing is, the MMR stabilizes at the last point before leaving league.
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On April 23 2015 03:10 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 18:15 `dunedain wrote:
Actually, I've found that if you leave league this season, you will need to do your 5 placement matches over again. So I wouldn't be surprised if people use that to quickly boost their accounts.
Like spam a whole bunch of games, get higher ranking in your league, don't mind w/l ratio and then leave league with your new higher MMR and basically a clean w/l ratio slate.
And because it was indeed a hard ladder reset, you can do this over and over for the whole season.
Haha, considering doing that. I got the idea after seeing one of my in-game friends leave league over and over again. Already playing almost 500 games since season start. O_O When HotS was launched 2 years ago there were reports that people who left league had to do 5 placements again. Exact rule when this happened remained unknown. But it was speculated that the rule was something to do amount of games played after blank start (before MMR change rate has stabilized). Do you have more information how many games have they played between their 5 placements and leaving league?
I was testing that a while ago. I believe the conclusion what that however many placement matches (1 or 5) you had to do at the start you would have to re-do after leaving league. On accounts where I had a single placement match, I continued to have one placement match no matter how often I left. Where I had five placement matches it continued every time I left. (My MMR did not reset though - I was able to get one of my accounts into diamond doing this after the season lock.)
I do think this was at the very end of WoL as I had multiple accounts then, quite possible things have changed since.
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I'm confused. Can someone explain to me how "leaving league" allows you to pump up your MMR? I'm not seeing it at all. When you "leave league" don't you still carry the (hidden) MMR number with you? How is it influenced at all by your leaving?
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On April 23 2015 06:00 LordYama wrote:
I'm confused. Can someone explain to me how "leaving league" allows you to pump up your MMR? I'm not seeing it at all. When you "leave league" don't you still carry the (hidden) MMR number with you? How is it influenced at all by your leaving?
When you have to play 5 placement matches, you are thrust back into rating calibration where your MMR changes more dramatically for wins and losses. Usually this comes with an MMR wipe, but not this season. Calibration lasts for, by Korona's estimate, between 25 and 35 games. These guys posit that if you hit Leave League, you go back to 5 placement matches and you re-enter the calibration phase, which could in theory allow you to take longer strides with each game played toward your target rating.
Note that the expected result of hitting Leave League is to play only 1 placement match and have your MMR change only as much as that single match.
I believe that it's probably logical to still allow 5 placement matches for players who have less than 25-35 games played, since they'd already be in calibration. Has anyone tested Leave League with more than 35 games played this season?
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On April 23 2015 07:07 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:00 LordYama wrote:
I'm confused. Can someone explain to me how "leaving league" allows you to pump up your MMR? I'm not seeing it at all. When you "leave league" don't you still carry the (hidden) MMR number with you? How is it influenced at all by your leaving? When you have to play 5 placement matches, you are thrust back into rating calibration where your MMR changes more dramatically for wins and losses. Usually this comes with an MMR wipe, but not this season. Calibration lasts for, by Korona's estimate, between 25 and 35 games. These guys posit that if you hit Leave League, you go back to 5 placement matches and you re-enter the calibration phase, which could in theory allow you to take longer strides with each game played toward your target rating. Note that the expected result of hitting Leave League is to play only 1 placement match and have your MMR change only as much as that single match. I believe that it's probably logical to still allow 5 placement matches for players who have less than 25-35 games played, since they'd already be in calibration. Has anyone tested Leave League with more than 35 games played this season?
Yes, an in-game friend of mine has over 500+ games now and has hit leave league multiple times. Every time having to re-play the 5 initial placement matches.
MMR doesn't change from the last people that he played before hitting leave league.
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Does someone have the slightest idea why MaNa, Guru, PtitDrogo, NaNiwa and many others are stuck in freaking diamond ? I get that GM league is full, but man, how can they not get a promotion to masters with 800+ pts after a week while some really awful players got the promotion very quick ?
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On April 24 2015 06:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Does someone have the slightest idea why MaNa, Guru, PtitDrogo, NaNiwa and many others are stuck in freaking diamond ? I get that GM league is full, but man, how can they not get a promotion to masters with 800+ pts after a week while some really awful players got the promotion very quick ?
In my opinion this whole situation is very funny.
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On April 24 2015 06:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Does someone have the slightest idea why MaNa, Guru, PtitDrogo, NaNiwa and many others are stuck in freaking diamond ? I get that GM league is full, but man, how can they not get a promotion to masters with 800+ pts after a week while some really awful players got the promotion very quick ?
ForGG as well, on EU and NA account. Beating GM's but losing to some diamonds (prob gm's as well)
The ladder is fucked atm.
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I got GM
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my sc2 acc got hacked ;_; i'm so sad
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On April 24 2015 06:48 GGzerG wrote:I got GM
with what acc? link
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On April 24 2015 06:47 PinoKotsBeer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 06:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Does someone have the slightest idea why MaNa, Guru, PtitDrogo, NaNiwa and many others are stuck in freaking diamond ? I get that GM league is full, but man, how can they not get a promotion to masters with 800+ pts after a week while some really awful players got the promotion very quick ? ForGG as well, on EU and NA account. Beating GM's but losing to some diamonds (prob gm's as well) The ladder is fucked atm.
It's really strange yeah, my take on it would be that GM and master league are full so that those people will be stuck in diamond until more players do their placement matches this season... I wonder if they would get into masters if they left league by the way.
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On April 23 2015 06:00 LordYama wrote:
I'm confused. Can someone explain to me how "leaving league" allows you to pump up your MMR? I'm not seeing it at all. When you "leave league" don't you still carry the (hidden) MMR number with you? How is it influenced at all by your leaving?
AFAIK it's only really useful when the ladder is locked. When they first unlocked all regions per account I suddenly had 2 EU accounts and 2 NA accounts. I often would only focus on 2. When the ladder locked and I no longer had bonus pool to burn I'd go play a "fresh" account. I'd then do my 5 matches over and over until I got placed in Diamond (get gold, go 10-0, leave league, get plat, go 10-0, leave league, get plat....repeat until diamond etc).
On April 24 2015 06:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Does someone have the slightest idea why MaNa, Guru, PtitDrogo, NaNiwa and many others are stuck in freaking diamond ? I get that GM league is full, but man, how can they not get a promotion to masters with 800+ pts after a week while some really awful players got the promotion very quick ?
something's funky... lots of "first time" (since season 1) of GM players according to Azhrak
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Well I thought they had fixed it since Snute got in but that might have been a one-off =(
I was also hoping that those players' spots would be reserved since when I looked yesterday GM had 150/200 players, but today it has 198 (and 199 on EU) =(
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The ladder is imho more fcked than before. I did my placement matches after a loooooong not playing sc2. I lost 4 matches and won 1, as expected since i didnt play well and got placed in Platinum. With laddering i faced multiple diamonds and got a bit more confident again. Left my league, 5 placement matches this time i won 4 out of 5 games and i got placed in.... gold. Left my league again, lost all 5 matches on purpose and got into platinum.
Im facing diamonds who should be in silver and gold players who are tearing me apart.
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This is fucking hilarious =) Naniwa is diamond while GM is full with scrubs. And these guys are developing LotV. Ye. And this is happening after they announced they are focusing on fixing ladder. Ye. Impressive.
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Lets wait for the information post that was promised to us on the ladder fix that in a few weeks.
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On April 25 2015 05:05 insitelol wrote:
This is fucking hilarious =) Naniwa is diamond while GM is full with scrubs. And these guys are developing LotV. Ye. And this is happening after they announced they are focusing on fixing ladder. Ye. Impressive.
Asking about it.
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On April 24 2015 06:42 Tiaraju9 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 06:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Does someone have the slightest idea why MaNa, Guru, PtitDrogo, NaNiwa and many others are stuck in freaking diamond ? I get that GM league is full, but man, how can they not get a promotion to masters with 800+ pts after a week while some really awful players got the promotion very quick ? In my opinion this whole situation is very funny.
It's a bit sad cause now GM is a joke this season. It's useless to be in the highest league if most progamers aren't even there.
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On April 25 2015 07:20 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 06:42 Tiaraju9 wrote:On April 24 2015 06:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Does someone have the slightest idea why MaNa, Guru, PtitDrogo, NaNiwa and many others are stuck in freaking diamond ? I get that GM league is full, but man, how can they not get a promotion to masters with 800+ pts after a week while some really awful players got the promotion very quick ? In my opinion this whole situation is very funny. It's a bit sad cause now GM is a joke this season. It's useless to be in the highest league if most progamers aren't even there.
They overshot it. Diamond literally, actually is the new GM this season.
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On April 25 2015 07:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 07:20 KingAlphard wrote:On April 24 2015 06:42 Tiaraju9 wrote:On April 24 2015 06:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Does someone have the slightest idea why MaNa, Guru, PtitDrogo, NaNiwa and many others are stuck in freaking diamond ? I get that GM league is full, but man, how can they not get a promotion to masters with 800+ pts after a week while some really awful players got the promotion very quick ? In my opinion this whole situation is very funny. It's a bit sad cause now GM is a joke this season. It's useless to be in the highest league if most progamers aren't even there. They overshot it. Diamond literally, actually is the new GM this season.
It's really weird. From what I could gather, a lot of players who aren't really GM material got into GM while the awesomeness of some players seems to have made the algorithm bug. Otherwise master league is indeed widely more open (a bit too much ?) and I don't get why they don't get the promotion to at least masters... Still work to be done Blizz !
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On April 25 2015 07:34 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 07:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:On April 25 2015 07:20 KingAlphard wrote:On April 24 2015 06:42 Tiaraju9 wrote:On April 24 2015 06:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Does someone have the slightest idea why MaNa, Guru, PtitDrogo, NaNiwa and many others are stuck in freaking diamond ? I get that GM league is full, but man, how can they not get a promotion to masters with 800+ pts after a week while some really awful players got the promotion very quick ? In my opinion this whole situation is very funny. It's a bit sad cause now GM is a joke this season. It's useless to be in the highest league if most progamers aren't even there. They overshot it. Diamond literally, actually is the new GM this season. It's really weird. From what I could gather, a lot of players who aren't really GM material got into GM while the awesomeness of some players seems to have made the algorithm bug. Otherwise master league is indeed widely more open (a bit too much ?) and I don't get why they don't get the promotion to at least masters... Still work to be done Blizz !
Well think about it. If Master league covers a range of like, 2000-2500, and ForGG and Naniwa et al have ratings of 2600+ comfortably in the GM range, they'll stay in whatever their initially assigned league was (in this case, Diamond). Ironically they probably would be promoted into Master league if they dropped down to like 2480 then won a game.
As for why they weren't all invited to GM, I have no idea. Both of those things are obviously bugs, but now that GM is filled I don't know how they'll fix them without booting out current GMs.
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On April 25 2015 08:02 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 07:34 [PkF] Wire wrote:On April 25 2015 07:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:On April 25 2015 07:20 KingAlphard wrote:On April 24 2015 06:42 Tiaraju9 wrote:On April 24 2015 06:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Does someone have the slightest idea why MaNa, Guru, PtitDrogo, NaNiwa and many others are stuck in freaking diamond ? I get that GM league is full, but man, how can they not get a promotion to masters with 800+ pts after a week while some really awful players got the promotion very quick ? In my opinion this whole situation is very funny. It's a bit sad cause now GM is a joke this season. It's useless to be in the highest league if most progamers aren't even there. They overshot it. Diamond literally, actually is the new GM this season. It's really weird. From what I could gather, a lot of players who aren't really GM material got into GM while the awesomeness of some players seems to have made the algorithm bug. Otherwise master league is indeed widely more open (a bit too much ?) and I don't get why they don't get the promotion to at least masters... Still work to be done Blizz ! Well think about it. If Master league covers a range of like, 2000-2500, and ForGG and Naniwa et al have ratings of 2600+ comfortably in the GM range, they'll stay in whatever their initially assigned league was (in this case, Diamond). Ironically they probably would be promoted into Master league if they dropped down to like 2480 then won a game. As for why they weren't all invited to GM, I have no idea. Both of those things are obviously bugs, but now that GM is filled I don't know how they'll fix them without booting out current GMs.
I mean it's stupid sure and they'll have to fix it. But on the other hand the league doesn't matter at all and their MMR is still the highest. I don't think pros care about their league and normal diamonds still won't meet them. So there is no real harm done, except that GM doesn't mean anything this season and the guys that got it can't be as happy about it, as in a normal season.
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