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Welcome this month's top 50 streamers list.
In terms of viewer numbers, this will most likely be the most boring thread yet. Sure, the LotV beta just started a few days ago, but in these threads we're looking at the viewer numbers for the previous month, and March had a distinct lack of LotV streams, as it turns out.
That doesn't mean that March wasn't without a good deal of excitement. Unfortunately, it was the non-fun kind, and as the guy ranking streamers by their viewer numbers I'm forced to make a statement, as much as I'd like to just ignore past drama and move on.
I have defended accusations of viewbotting against Winter in the past, and the whole thing leaves me scratching my head to this day. If he is a viewbotter, what did he gain from (supposedly) paying hundreds of dollars for months on end? Even with a sponsorship and some legit subscriptions, I doubt he'd end up making much money. If he is not a viewbotter, how can all the circumstantial evidence to the contrary be explained?
Ultimately, I don't know. And while I'm not one to partake in angry mobs that can form at certain other places, the circumstantial evidence that was provided was convincing enough to de-feature Winter here on teamliquid, and I feel compelled to agree with the official reasoning:
We recognise that Winter, as a direct consequence of being boosted by viewbotting services, has attracted a legitimate viewerbase and even some legitimate subscribers. But it is impossible for us to measure the strength of that legitimate viewership in relation to our normal featuring standards while viewbotting continues on Winter's channel.
As such, I have removed Winter from the current top 50 lists.
For full disclosure, I have also removed (or never included, rather) IMBACoach, who has been viewbotting quite blatantly in the past few weeks. He has recently been banned from twitch, making his viewbotting official, so to speak. Twitch did not take any action against Winter, it should be noted.
Anyhow, off to the lists!
Table of contents
Huh? What's this?
For those of you who don't already know what this is about: I'm gathering various data (viewers, game, events, etc.) from all the streams that are presented on teamliquid.net (those that you can in the sidebar to your right) and use that data to produce the pretty tables and graphs you see below. The tables only contain SC2 players (that is, streams of people playing games of Starcraft 2) and not casters, teams or other streams. The tables also only contain Starcraft 2 related activities. So, for instance when CatZ is streaming Dota2, it will not be taken into account.
The data I gather is then turned into the tables you see below. One is sorted by the average viewers, the other is sorted by the average viewers times the hours streamed. The latter table favors those that stream a lot, while the former table favors popular streamers regardless of how much they stream. Either ranking has its advantages and disadvantages, and thus I present both.
For either table, I have a minimum required stream time of 5 hours to be included in the list.
The list
Due to space limitations, I have to shorten the headers and leave some data out of the tables presented here. You can get the full tables from the links below.
The headers aren't as clear as I'd like them to be thanks to this, so here's a quick explanation, just in case: "Viewers" denotes the average viewers in the given month. "Hours" are the hours played. "Place diff" and "Viewer diff" are the place and viewer differences compared to last month.
Also, the HTML version linked beneath the images has some more information that I had to leave out due to space limitation, most notably the featured status of the players.
Now, Without further ado, here's this month's tables:
Stray observations and musings
- Naniwa remains on the #1 spot in the average viewers category, despite losing a good amount of viewers, again. Congrats!
- For the first time in who knows how many months, the #1 spot in the viewerhour category is not one of the usual suspects. Congrats, RotterdaM!
- For what it's worth, Winter had an average of 1729 viewers last month, streaming 235.25 hours. That would have put him at the #2 spot in the viewers category, and the #1 spot in the viewerhours category.
- Notable streamers who made it to last month's list, but did not make it this month or who did not stream at all: Destiny, Jaedong, Taeja
- If you find any mistakes or errors in the lists, please do let me know, especially concerning team changes or players that you are absolutely sure should be on the lists, but are not.
The big picture
![[image loading]](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8028950/TL/Monthly%20viewers%202015%2003.png) (The actual numbers are not important, it's the ratio between month that's important.)
Note that these are player streams only.
Who cares? We're all waiting to see how this graph will look like next months, right?
WCS/GSL
Close to 30.000 viewers on average for the GSL finals. Not bad.
Proleague
That's all for this month. Hope you guys enjoyed, as always. Any kind of feedback is always welcome! 
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"For what it's worth... Winter" Who cares. He's a cheat. He didn't get what was due to him.
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You should make a list of streamers per hours streamed also, not just hours*viewers.
Since that creates an even bigger monopoly position for the already popular streamers.
If you add one with just hours streamed, unknown full time streamers would get more exposure.
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In your list is says Ruff is teamless, this should be Team Ascension
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Thanks for the monthly data analysis!
Will you have new bars/ stats for LotV in April?
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Good to see Winter still going strong.
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I think it's possible for Destiny to break 500k viewers*hours this month.
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It's nice to see the dedicated streamers once again at the top of the list (the real one V*H), tho, there's a little problem with HTOMario being listed because we know why.
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On April 05 2015 07:38 HomeWorld wrote:
It's nice to see the dedicated streamers once again at the top of the list (the real one V*H), tho, there's a little problem with HTOMario being listed because we know why.
Why? I missed the memo.
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On April 05 2015 07:21 flipstar wrote:
Good to see Winter still going strong.
what? he's not on the list.
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On April 05 2015 08:49 Redrot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2015 07:21 flipstar wrote:
Good to see Winter still going strong. what? he's not on the list.
"For what it's worth, Winter had an average of 1729 viewers last month, streaming 235.25 hours. That would have put him at the #2 spot in the viewers category, and the #1 spot in the viewerhours category."
From OP
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On April 05 2015 09:31 flipstar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2015 08:49 Redrot wrote:On April 05 2015 07:21 flipstar wrote:
Good to see Winter still going strong. what? he's not on the list. "For what it's worth, Winter had an average of 1729 viewers last month, streaming 235.25 hours. That would have put him at the #2 spot in the viewers category, and the #1 spot in the viewerhours category." From OP
Let's do a little correcting there
"For what it's worth, Winter had an average of 29 actual viewers and 1700 viewbots last month, streaming 235.25 hours. That would have put him nowhere in the viewers category, and the #1 spot in the viewerhours category."
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Ty for the awesome work, COnti.
On April 05 2015 06:17 Conti wrote:
If he is a viewbotter, what did he gain from (supposedly) paying hundreds of dollars for months on end? Even with a sponsorship and some legit subscriptions, I doubt he'd end up making much money. If he is not a viewbotter, how can all the circumstantial evidence to the contrary be explained?
Viewbotting is bad, viewbotting is cheap(500v/200$/1y), viewbotting is sneaky(benefactor/victim). There is not much else to say.
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Thank you so much for this conti. I was wondering if you could remove winter's stats starting from April since it seems that's when he started view botting
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Winter and ImbaCoaching removed you'd have to be naive to believe no one else ever has view-botted in the past few years to pump up their Twitch.tv #s.
Twitch wants their numbers to look as high as possible so they do nothing about view-boting.
this makes it difficult to take any viewer #s Twitch produces seriously.
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Stardust left mYinsanity some time ago, and is currently teamless.
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Now for the question on everyone's mind....
what colour will the lotv bars have?!
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On April 05 2015 15:55 nkr wrote:
Now for the question on everyone's mind....
what colour will the lotv bars have?!
Liquipedia will have a light green
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On April 05 2015 15:55 nkr wrote:
Now for the question on everyone's mind....
what colour will the lotv bars have?!
I'm betting my money on gold/yellow color. Just look at the LOTV logo, it's gold! :p
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On April 05 2015 15:55 nkr wrote:
Now for the question on everyone's mind....
what colour will the lotv bars have?!
I bet green, since T = blue, Z = purple/red and P = green (look at LP or TLPD)
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Poor IMBACoach didn't buy enough copies of the game to legitimise his viewboting. Should take example from WinterSC - "when cheating, at least share something with others too".
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Can someon explain this to me please
On April 05 2015 06:17 Conti wrote:
(The actual numbers are not important, it's the ratio between month that's important.)
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On April 05 2015 06:17 Conti wrote:I have defended accusations of viewbotting against Winter in the past, and the whole thing leaves me scratching my head to this day. If he is a viewbotter, what did he gain from (supposedly) paying hundreds of dollars for months on end? 1) It's apparently hundreds of dollars over a year which is basically peanuts.
2) Money is not going to be the main motivator to a non progamer streamer. There's plenty to gain if the main motivation is to feel important to the scene. It was only because of his viewbots that he got invited to Homestory Cup afterall.
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On April 05 2015 06:59 PinoKotsBeer wrote:In your list is says Ruff is teamless, this should be Team Ascension
On April 05 2015 14:31 Circumstance wrote:
Stardust left mYinsanity some time ago, and is currently teamless.
Thanks, fixed for next time!
On April 05 2015 16:25 FO-nTTaX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2015 15:55 nkr wrote:
Now for the question on everyone's mind....
what colour will the lotv bars have?! <div style="padding: 5px; background-color: #b0deb0;">Liquipedia will have a light green </div>
Guess who I've been stealing the colors from? 
On April 05 2015 21:50 graNite wrote:Can someon explain this to me please Show nested quote +On April 05 2015 06:17 Conti wrote:
(The actual numbers are not important, it's the ratio between month that's important.)
Basically, the number is something in the hundreds of thousands each month, being the sum of all viewers in my DB. It's a simple calculation, but it's enough to gauge whether more or less people have been watching streams in a given month. It doesn't matter if the number is hundreds of thousands or millions or, say, ten. To be honest, I never got around to figuring out a proper metric for this, since I can't just sum up the average viewers per streamer or something. I think I had a smart reason back then not to just sum up the viewerhours per streamer, either, but right now I can't quite remember what it was.
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On April 06 2015 02:41 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2015 16:25 FO-nTTaX wrote:On April 05 2015 15:55 nkr wrote:
Now for the question on everyone's mind....
what colour will the lotv bars have?! Liquipedia will have a light green Guess who I've been stealing the colors from?
Oh i thought so, else i wouldn't have written it ^^
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Are there any numbers on the total viewercount of the LotV beta? I'm curious because so far it does seem like there are less people interested in the game/watching streamers compared to the Heart of the Swarm beta. Maybe like 6-8k which is really not that much.
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Avilo... Mechin It Happen (tm)
aviDoge
User was temp banned for this post.
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What aeligos said, minus the twitch meme.
I'd also like to add that Avilo has made remarkable changes to his attitude, recently. He's been raging a lot less, and has been admitting his own mistakes much more often. The thing I am most proud of him for, however, is the way he has recently started reaching out to help other streamers + Show Spoiler +
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He just wanted to watch a hot girl play Starcraft, get real.
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On April 09 2015 00:30 TronJovolta wrote:
He just wanted to watch a hot girl play Starcraft, get real.
He'd never hosted anyone before, though. Also, nothing's stopping him from watching her play starcraft without hosting her. Also, he has hosted male streamers since then.
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On April 06 2015 02:41 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2015 06:59 PinoKotsBeer wrote:In your list is says Ruff is teamless, this should be Team Ascension Show nested quote +On April 05 2015 14:31 Circumstance wrote:
Stardust left mYinsanity some time ago, and is currently teamless. Thanks, fixed for next time! Show nested quote +On April 05 2015 16:25 FO-nTTaX wrote:On April 05 2015 15:55 nkr wrote:
Now for the question on everyone's mind....
what colour will the lotv bars have?! <div style="padding: 5px; background-color: #b0deb0;">Liquipedia will have a light green </div> Guess who I've been stealing the colors from? Show nested quote +On April 05 2015 21:50 graNite wrote:Can someon explain this to me please On April 05 2015 06:17 Conti wrote:
(The actual numbers are not important, it's the ratio between month that's important.) Basically, the number is something in the hundreds of thousands each month, being the sum of all viewers in my DB. It's a simple calculation, but it's enough to gauge whether more or less people have been watching streams in a given month. It doesn't matter if the number is hundreds of thousands or millions or, say, ten. To be honest, I never got around to figuring out a proper metric for this, since I can't just sum up the average viewers per streamer or something. I think I had a smart reason back then not to just sum up the viewerhours per streamer, either, but right now I can't quite remember what it was.
I am a statistician. If you pm me and tell me what variables are available I could help you come up with some cool ways of analyzing the data. I can send you more details if you pm.
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For the WCS and Proleague bar graphs, It would be cool if you included peak stream amounts as well, just to get a full picture, Im tryin to remember what the GSL finals peaked at, thought it was 70k, but GSL always has kind of a split viewer count just cause of timezones, so lots of ppl watch the rebroadcast. No biggy and thank you for all the info! <3
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Hey I have been streaming (if you can call it that) since Wings Beta; and, is there any tips you could give me I am getting a new computer in which I will be using my old PC as the streamer then my new PC will be played on to prevent any PC disruptions while gaming. Apart from the technical side of things when is the best time to stream, when would I pick up the most viewers, and again I can work any time just let me know I would like to create a streaming schedule. Much love.
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