• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:32
CET 21:32
KST 05:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners2Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon!20$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship5[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win9
StarCraft 2
General
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage Practice Partners (Official) [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1285 users

Top 50 streamers March 2015

Forum Index > SC2 General
34 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 Next All
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
April 04 2015 21:17 GMT
#1
Welcome this month's top 50 streamers list.

In terms of viewer numbers, this will most likely be the most boring thread yet. Sure, the LotV beta just started a few days ago, but in these threads we're looking at the viewer numbers for the previous month, and March had a distinct lack of LotV streams, as it turns out.

That doesn't mean that March wasn't without a good deal of excitement. Unfortunately, it was the non-fun kind, and as the guy ranking streamers by their viewer numbers I'm forced to make a statement, as much as I'd like to just ignore past drama and move on.

I have defended accusations of viewbotting against Winter in the past, and the whole thing leaves me scratching my head to this day. If he is a viewbotter, what did he gain from (supposedly) paying hundreds of dollars for months on end? Even with a sponsorship and some legit subscriptions, I doubt he'd end up making much money. If he is not a viewbotter, how can all the circumstantial evidence to the contrary be explained?

Ultimately, I don't know. And while I'm not one to partake in angry mobs that can form at certain other places, the circumstantial evidence that was provided was convincing enough to de-feature Winter here on teamliquid, and I feel compelled to agree with the official reasoning:
We recognise that Winter, as a direct consequence of being boosted by viewbotting services, has attracted a legitimate viewerbase and even some legitimate subscribers. But it is impossible for us to measure the strength of that legitimate viewership in relation to our normal featuring standards while viewbotting continues on Winter's channel.

As such, I have removed Winter from the current top 50 lists.

For full disclosure, I have also removed (or never included, rather) IMBACoach, who has been viewbotting quite blatantly in the past few weeks. He has recently been banned from twitch, making his viewbotting official, so to speak. Twitch did not take any action against Winter, it should be noted.

Anyhow, off to the lists!

Table of contents
  • Huh? What's this?
  • Top 50 streamers in March 2015
    • Sorted by avg. viewer
    • Sorted by avg. viewer * hours streamed
    • Stray observations and musings
  • The big picture
  • WCS/GSL
  • Proleague
  • Older entries


Huh? What's this?

For those of you who don't already know what this is about: I'm gathering various data (viewers, game, events, etc.) from all the streams that are presented on teamliquid.net (those that you can in the sidebar to your right) and use that data to produce the pretty tables and graphs you see below. The tables only contain SC2 players (that is, streams of people playing games of Starcraft 2) and not casters, teams or other streams. The tables also only contain Starcraft 2 related activities. So, for instance when CatZ is streaming Dota2, it will not be taken into account.

The data I gather is then turned into the tables you see below. One is sorted by the average viewers, the other is sorted by the average viewers times the hours streamed. The latter table favors those that stream a lot, while the former table favors popular streamers regardless of how much they stream. Either ranking has its advantages and disadvantages, and thus I present both.

For either table, I have a minimum required stream time of 5 hours to be included in the list.

The list


Due to space limitations, I have to shorten the headers and leave some data out of the tables presented here. You can get the full tables from the links below.
The headers aren't as clear as I'd like them to be thanks to this, so here's a quick explanation, just in case: "Viewers" denotes the average viewers in the given month. "Hours" are the hours played. "Place diff" and "Viewer diff" are the place and viewer differences compared to last month.

Also, the HTML version linked beneath the images has some more information that I had to leave out due to space limitation, most notably the featured status of the players.

Now, Without further ado, here's this month's tables:

[image loading]
(HTML version here)


[image loading]
(HTML version here)


Stray observations and musings

  • Naniwa remains on the #1 spot in the average viewers category, despite losing a good amount of viewers, again. Congrats!
  • For the first time in who knows how many months, the #1 spot in the viewerhour category is not one of the usual suspects. Congrats, RotterdaM!
  • For what it's worth, Winter had an average of 1729 viewers last month, streaming 235.25 hours. That would have put him at the #2 spot in the viewers category, and the #1 spot in the viewerhours category.
  • Notable streamers who made it to last month's list, but did not make it this month or who did not stream at all: Destiny, Jaedong, Taeja
  • If you find any mistakes or errors in the lists, please do let me know, especially concerning team changes or players that you are absolutely sure should be on the lists, but are not.


The big picture


[image loading]
(The actual numbers are not important, it's the ratio between month that's important.)

Note that these are player streams only.

Who cares? We're all waiting to see how this graph will look like next months, right?

WCS/GSL


[image loading]


Close to 30.000 viewers on average for the GSL finals. Not bad.

Proleague


[image loading]


That's all for this month. Hope you guys enjoyed, as always. Any kind of feedback is always welcome!


Older entries
+ Show Spoiler +
  • Top 50 streamers February 2015
  • Top 50 streamers January 2015
  • Top 100 streamers of 2014 (+ Top 50 of December)
  • Top 50 streamers in November 2014
  • Top 50 streamers in October 2014
  • Top 50 streamers in September 2014
  • Top 50 streamers in August 2014 (abridged version)
  • Top 50 streamers in July 2014
  • Top 50 streamers in June 2014
  • Top 50 streamers in May 2014
  • Top 50 streamers in April 2014
  • Top 50 streamers in March 2014
  • Top 50 streamers in February 2014
  • Top 50 streamers in January 2014
  • Top 100 streamers of 2013 (+ Top 50 of December)
  • Top 50 streamers in November 2013
  • Top 50 streamers in October 2013 (+ WCS numbers)
  • Top 50 streamers in September 2013 (+ WCS numbers)
  • Top 50 streamers in August 2013 (plus WCS numbers)
  • Top 50 streamers in July 2013 (plus WCS numbers)
  • Top 50 streamers in June 2013 (plus WCS numbers)
  • Top 50 streamers in May 2013 (plus WCS numbers)
  • Top 50 streamers in April 2013 (+ WCS/GSTL/SPL!)
  • Top 50 streamers in March 2013 (HotS numbers!)
  • Top 50 streamers in February 2013 + Proleague/GSL
  • Top 50 streamers in Jan.2013+Proleague/GSL viewers
  • Top 50 streamers in Dec 2012 (plus Top 100 2012!*)
  • Top 50 streamers in November 2012
  • Top 50 streamers in October 2012
  • Top 50 streamers in September 2012
  • Top 50 streamers in August 2012
  • Top 50 streamers in July 2012
  • Top 50 streamers in June 2012
  • Top 50 streamers in May 2012
  • Who is the most popular streamer?(Numbers inside!) (March-April 2012)
Facebook Twitter Reddit
King David
Profile Joined April 2014
South Africa28 Posts
April 04 2015 21:53 GMT
#2
"For what it's worth... Winter" Who cares. He's a cheat. He didn't get what was due to him.
"Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.Give a man 5 beers an..."
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
April 04 2015 21:56 GMT
#3
You should make a list of streamers per hours streamed also, not just hours*viewers.
Since that creates an even bigger monopoly position for the already popular streamers.
If you add one with just hours streamed, unknown full time streamers would get more exposure.

www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
April 04 2015 21:59 GMT
#4
In your list is says Ruff is teamless, this should be Team Ascension
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45006 Posts
April 04 2015 22:17 GMT
#5
Thanks for the monthly data analysis!

Will you have new bars/ stats for LotV in April?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
flipstar
Profile Joined January 2011
226 Posts
April 04 2015 22:21 GMT
#6
Good to see Winter still going strong.
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
April 04 2015 22:26 GMT
#7
I think it's possible for Destiny to break 500k viewers*hours this month.
HomeWorld
Profile Joined December 2011
Romania903 Posts
April 04 2015 22:38 GMT
#8
It's nice to see the dedicated streamers once again at the top of the list (the real one V*H), tho, there's a little problem with HTOMario being listed because we know why.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45006 Posts
April 04 2015 22:46 GMT
#9
On April 05 2015 07:38 HomeWorld wrote:
It's nice to see the dedicated streamers once again at the top of the list (the real one V*H), tho, there's a little problem with HTOMario being listed because we know why.


Why? I missed the memo.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
April 04 2015 22:46 GMT
#10
April is gonna be fun =)
No church in the wild --- @tzhang0126
HomeWorld
Profile Joined December 2011
Romania903 Posts
April 04 2015 22:52 GMT
#11
On April 05 2015 07:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2015 07:38 HomeWorld wrote:
It's nice to see the dedicated streamers once again at the top of the list (the real one V*H), tho, there's a little problem with HTOMario being listed because we know why.


Why? I missed the memo.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/480649-revised-featured-stream-requirements-for-2015
Redrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States446 Posts
April 04 2015 23:49 GMT
#12
On April 05 2015 07:21 flipstar wrote:
Good to see Winter still going strong.

what? he's not on the list.
I root for CJ because their fb posts are hilarious
flipstar
Profile Joined January 2011
226 Posts
April 05 2015 00:31 GMT
#13
On April 05 2015 08:49 Redrot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2015 07:21 flipstar wrote:
Good to see Winter still going strong.

what? he's not on the list.


"For what it's worth, Winter had an average of 1729 viewers last month, streaming 235.25 hours. That would have put him at the #2 spot in the viewers category, and the #1 spot in the viewerhours category."

From OP
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
April 05 2015 02:45 GMT
#14
On April 05 2015 09:31 flipstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2015 08:49 Redrot wrote:
On April 05 2015 07:21 flipstar wrote:
Good to see Winter still going strong.

what? he's not on the list.


"For what it's worth, Winter had an average of 1729 viewers last month, streaming 235.25 hours. That would have put him at the #2 spot in the viewers category, and the #1 spot in the viewerhours category."

From OP



Let's do a little correcting there

"For what it's worth, Winter had an average of 29 actual viewers and 1700 viewbots last month, streaming 235.25 hours. That would have put him nowhere in the viewers category, and the #1 spot in the viewerhours category."
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Cazimirbzh
Profile Joined February 2014
334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-05 04:39:11
April 05 2015 03:27 GMT
#15
Ty for the awesome work, COnti.

On April 05 2015 06:17 Conti wrote:
If he is a viewbotter, what did he gain from (supposedly) paying hundreds of dollars for months on end? Even with a sponsorship and some legit subscriptions, I doubt he'd end up making much money. If he is not a viewbotter, how can all the circumstantial evidence to the contrary be explained?


Viewbotting is bad, viewbotting is cheap(500v/200$/1y), viewbotting is sneaky(benefactor/victim). There is not much else to say.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
April 05 2015 05:18 GMT
#16
Thank you so much for this conti. I was wondering if you could remove winter's stats starting from April since it seems that's when he started view botting
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16948 Posts
April 05 2015 05:27 GMT
#17
Winter and ImbaCoaching removed you'd have to be naive to believe no one else ever has view-botted in the past few years to pump up their Twitch.tv #s.

Twitch wants their numbers to look as high as possible so they do nothing about view-boting.
this makes it difficult to take any viewer #s Twitch produces seriously.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
April 05 2015 05:31 GMT
#18
Stardust left mYinsanity some time ago, and is currently teamless.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 05 2015 06:55 GMT
#19
Now for the question on everyone's mind....

what colour will the lotv bars have?!
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4954 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-05 07:25:22
April 05 2015 07:25 GMT
#20
On April 05 2015 15:55 nkr wrote:
Now for the question on everyone's mind....

what colour will the lotv bars have?!

Liquipedia will have a light green
Administrator@FO_nTTaX | FO-nTTaX.de | 0xff0000.dev | Senior Lead Liquipedia Developer
"Nimm es. Es ist nicht viel, aber es kommt von Herzen. Vergiss mich nicht!"
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LAN Event
18:00
Day 3: Ursa 2v2, FFA
SteadfastSC423
IndyStarCraft 175
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 456
SteadfastSC 423
White-Ra 217
IndyStarCraft 175
UpATreeSC 141
ProTech125
Railgan 56
ROOTCatZ 43
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 439
scan(afreeca) 35
Bonyth 14
ivOry 8
Dota 2
Dendi1076
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps827
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu403
Other Games
fl0m718
Beastyqt718
FrodaN551
Mlord494
shahzam353
KnowMe194
Pyrionflax143
ArmadaUGS132
C9.Mang0127
Mew2King74
Trikslyr65
OptimusSC21
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL175
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 11
• Adnapsc2 9
• Dystopia_ 1
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2491
• Ler84
League of Legends
• TFBlade887
Other Games
• imaqtpie1348
• WagamamaTV314
• Shiphtur194
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 28m
Replay Cast
2h 28m
OSC
15h 28m
LAN Event
18h 28m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 6h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 13h
LAN Event
1d 18h
IPSL
1d 21h
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
BSL 21
1d 23h
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
IPSL
2 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
2 days
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.