Legacy of the Void: Multiplayer Development Update - Page 12

On February 13 2015 08:50 KeksX wrote:

Uh, wouldn't the terrible damage be lowered? If this applies to spells as well it would do a lot.

Colossus attacking 40% less often would mean that clumped units get less damage, so I think if we can't get different pathing thats the next best thing.



Right now most of the fights are determined pre - fight, no? I.e. how you position, when and with what you attack. During the fight it's just spam all your abilities and then move out quickly enough or go full force. Little micro involved because most of the time your micro will do less for you than it actually is gaining you apart from spellcasters.

On February 13 2015 08:56 avilo wrote:
Another thought i had to add that warrants it's own post and can create discussion:

Starcraft 1 is an absolutely terrible RTS game...on normal speed.

I had to make the above statement because it's absolutely true. The reason why SC1 is never played on normal speed is because the game is absurdly slow, very boring, and literally anyone can micro units when the game is put on normal speed.

Starcraft 1 never would have become the e-sport it is today if it did not have a fastest speed setting. It would have just been another random video game that people played for a bit and quit.

Fastest setting is what allowed Starcraft 1 to make magic happen and be a game driven by user skill.

What i would recommend everyone here to do is go attempt to play an SC2 game on normal speed. Or SC1 if you still play. Then come back to this thread with your mind blown at how much worse the game is @_@

Just had to get this thought out there, i'm sure others realize it too

On February 13 2015 09:05 KeksX wrote:
Attack speed != overall speed of the game though. It means marines will be able to walk more inbetween shots, tanks will take longer to repeatedly bash down on armies, colossi won't roast your hydras before they even approached the enemy's army etc.

On February 13 2015 08:50 avilo wrote:
Thoughts:

1) I do not understand how blizzard designers have not pushed out more unit ideas through all this time. The shade seems forced and will be scrapped 100% because it does not fit an RTS. They keep coming up with ideas that would be great MOBA CHAMPION IDEAS (*COUGH LEAGUE OF LEGENDS ZED*) but have absolutely no place in an RTS where you can make 20 of that unit.

There's so many units that already exist that blizzard could use or do similar things to. Dark archon...ghost lockdown ability...some of the single player campaign units?

Either way, you can tell their design resources are coming from people that are either working on Heroes of the Storm or MOBA-ish. You cannot put units into SC2 with champion like abilities because SC2 is on a way different scale and having 20 ravagers aka 20 Kog Maws running around shooting artillery barrage is just going to break the game lol.

2) Economy changes. Are. BAD.

Most of you guys have maybe never played other RTS games. The smaller percentage of you that have played RTS other than Brood War/SC2 probably have never played an RTS game that went through with a similar and drastic economy change.

I am talking about Command and Conquer 3. I played CnC3 throughout it's entire life span, from beginning to it's death.

It's death came from no patches (which we already see has happened to SC2) but also from a mis-guided economy change to the game that players and designers all hoped would "encourage more micro opportunities and action."

Yeah...it basically screwed the game, made it slower. It was an excuse to not patch and balance the game essentially. Rather than balancing out the issues that plagued the game in terms of balance, that economy change went through and massively slowed down CnC3, and made for less action on the map because of less units.

In regards to SC2...at this point in the game guys, economy change is one of the worst possible ideas for SC2. It will not do what a lot of you guys think it will by "forcing action all over the map." It will destroy the game, i am telling you right now from experience of having seen an RTS go through it. No one has to believe me, just reference this post and my thoughts when you see SC2 game play is screwed up with LOTV due to an unnecessary and misguided economy change.

3) SLowing down of the game is a terrible idea, once again i know a lot of the circle jerk right now is that "slowing down the game will create more micro!" Well guess what, once again any of you that think this are wrong.

Slowing down the game isn't going to create more micro - it's going to make the game slow...and easier, and so anyone can micro or do amazing things. The best analogy i can make and the best statement i can make to succinctly describe my feelings on this is:

"Slowing down SC2 will make SC2 melt into Grey Goo."

For those of you that have not looked up or read about the RTS "Grey Goo," it's a brand new RTS advertised as basically not being fast like SC2. It's slow as fuck, and basically doomed from the start. We do not want SC2 to become Grey Goo or to get slower where it's bad for spectators, and bad for players because then it's harder for players to distinguish themselves from others via unique micro actions.

As an aside, Grey Goo should probably do what SC1 did and add a faster/fastest setting and that game might have the potential to take off

So yeh, that's about it. To sum up: a lot of casual SC2 observers and even some progamers seem very uninformed about the SC2 economy change. It's not going to create "mega action all over the map." It's most likely going to end up hurting the game hard.

Slowing down the game is bad, despite the circle jerk being to the contrary. 99% of the SC2 community just sees a youtube video about slowing down the game and believe what they are told about "more micro" when that is not going to be the case.

And blizzard needs to really get their stuff together right now and push out new units for LOTV...or use old units like the dark archon and rebrand them!

On February 13 2015 09:33 SoleSteeler wrote:
Shade thing may be interesting, but i agree with the idea that they need a core gateway unit that doesbt get annihilated by bio or roach ling hydra...

On February 13 2015 09:31 Big J wrote:


I can only say that personally I'm enjoying the second category of battles much more. Shit dies, stuff happens. They are hard to control. The moment you can call the battle the battle is over. While with the others, you look at the established arcs and you know who is going to win, but it still takes another 30seconds until that side loses. And its not like the extra time in roach vs roach would be used for supercool micro moves. If you watch top-Zergs stream, they pull their wounded roaches behind the other ones because they have spare APM. It hardly matters and is hardly visible.