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On February 09 2015 12:10 HewTheTitan wrote:Show nested quote +Does not necessarily mean match fixing. I assume a lot of the names would match because they only have a certain number of contacts. I think it's fairly reasonable to assume someone could be invited to a tournament because it's easy to contact them etc. without them being match fixers. If there was match fixing taking place at all, why have a spectator at all? It would just tip people off that something was up. It wouldn't affect anything because, in theory, the outcome is known already. I think the tournaments with these spectators are the ones least likely to involve match fixing.
Its not match fixing. They don't care who wins. They just want to place large bets in advantageous situations. Having 5 minutes more information than everyone else is there method of gaining that advantage.
Think card counting in blackjack. It only gives you a 2-3% edge over the house. I guess this is the same thing to them
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On February 09 2015 12:53 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 12:10 HewTheTitan wrote:Does not necessarily mean match fixing. I assume a lot of the names would match because they only have a certain number of contacts. I think it's fairly reasonable to assume someone could be invited to a tournament because it's easy to contact them etc. without them being match fixers. If there was match fixing taking place at all, why have a spectator at all? It would just tip people off that something was up. It wouldn't affect anything because, in theory, the outcome is known already. I think the tournaments with these spectators are the ones least likely to involve match fixing. Its not match fixing. They don't care who wins. They just want to place large bets in advantageous situations. Having 5 minutes more information than everyone else is there method of gaining that advantage. Think card counting in blackjack. It only gives you a 2-3% edge over the house. I guess this is the same thing to them
TBF, I'd say that 5-10 minutes of advantage in SC2 will give you a hell of a lot more than a 2-3% edge
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On February 09 2015 13:14 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 12:53 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 09 2015 12:10 HewTheTitan wrote:Does not necessarily mean match fixing. I assume a lot of the names would match because they only have a certain number of contacts. I think it's fairly reasonable to assume someone could be invited to a tournament because it's easy to contact them etc. without them being match fixers. If there was match fixing taking place at all, why have a spectator at all? It would just tip people off that something was up. It wouldn't affect anything because, in theory, the outcome is known already. I think the tournaments with these spectators are the ones least likely to involve match fixing. Its not match fixing. They don't care who wins. They just want to place large bets in advantageous situations. Having 5 minutes more information than everyone else is there method of gaining that advantage. Think card counting in blackjack. It only gives you a 2-3% edge over the house. I guess this is the same thing to them TBF, I'd say that 5-10 minutes of advantage in SC2 will give you a hell of a lot more than a 2-3% edge
Yeah, more like 97-98%.
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Yeah this is a seperate issue to match fixing if the players aren't involved here, it's closer to illegal maphacking for sportsbettors. I'm concerned match fixing is happening as well (see other thread; and MMA and Solar have confirmed they've been receiving offers and reporting them + some lesser known players so the offers are being made, and there is circumstantial evidence in betting patterns that some players may be accepting them), but there are two separate matters; knowing what happens in the first 10 minutes of a game will give you a huge edge betting as one player will usually be a huge favourite to win at that point especially because 10 real minutes are more than 10 in game minutes, some matches are effectively decided by that time.
We need to stamp both of these things out of the game ASAP.
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Solid statement by Wardii, that's pretty much exactly what happened to me but it's a little more deep.
I wont be making an official statement like this, I have a lot more information which I don't know if I can share. However for those interested I've given Richard Lewis a very thorough (3 page) statement with a lot of screen shots of conversations and how everything went down which will hopefully be out soon.
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On February 09 2015 14:18 Pughy wrote:
Solid statement by Wardii, that's pretty much exactly what happened to me but it's a little more deep.
I wont be making an official statement like this, I have a lot more information which I don't know if I can share. However for those interested I've given Richard Lewis a very thorough (3 page) statement with a lot of screen shots of conversations and how everything went down which will hopefully be out soon.
Very interested to see what comes out of this. It's interesting Richard has sort of been put in charge of sorting all this out.
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On February 09 2015 14:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 14:18 Pughy wrote:
Solid statement by Wardii, that's pretty much exactly what happened to me but it's a little more deep.
I wont be making an official statement like this, I have a lot more information which I don't know if I can share. However for those interested I've given Richard Lewis a very thorough (3 page) statement with a lot of screen shots of conversations and how everything went down which will hopefully be out soon. Very interested to see what comes out of this. It's interesting Richard has sort of been put in charge of sorting all this out.
Richard's knows the SC2 scene kinda well, I've known him for a few years and IMO he's a great journalist. CS:GO credit him alot with helping the recent match fixing stuff.
HuK's doing some pretty good PI work as well, I give him a chunk of information after he asked me to appear on Remax this tuesday. Quite funny, the Korean sponsor messaged me while talking to HuK and HuK asked for his skype now they're chatting. Korean also said he'll be doing an interview with a Korean journalist to proof hes innocent, so yeah stay tuned.
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On February 09 2015 14:26 Pughy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 14:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 09 2015 14:18 Pughy wrote:
Solid statement by Wardii, that's pretty much exactly what happened to me but it's a little more deep.
I wont be making an official statement like this, I have a lot more information which I don't know if I can share. However for those interested I've given Richard Lewis a very thorough (3 page) statement with a lot of screen shots of conversations and how everything went down which will hopefully be out soon. Very interested to see what comes out of this. It's interesting Richard has sort of been put in charge of sorting all this out. Richard's knows the SC2 scene kinda well, I've known him for a few years and IMO he's a great journalist. CS:GO credit him alot with helping the recent match fixing stuff. HuK's doing some pretty good PI work as well, I give him a chunk of information after he asked me to appear on Remax this tuesday. Quite funny, the Korean sponsor messaged me while talking to HuK and HuK asked for his skype now they're chatting. Korean also said he'll be doing an interview with a Korean journalist to proof hes innocent, so yeah stay tuned.
Oh shit this is gonan get juicier and juicier. PI Huk is on the case now boys.
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Good reaction, grats to you and good luck with the remaining series !
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I think it's fine to accept sponsor, but state your own rules, that no in-game observer other than yourself, and no invited players are allowed.
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I think it sounds fishy that such a big part of the players come into it through the sponsor. Many of these casters thats been sponsored like this would probably not have any problem getting decent players for theirm tournament without the sponsor pitching in half of them. Then why would the sponsor do that? Especially with only 5 minutes delay it sounds fishy that it would be for betting with the delay.
I mean in LOTV it would be a whole other ball game seeing the first 5 minutes of the game but in hots I would be very very hard pressed to be able to call a standard game within a 5 minutes time-frame.
Feels more likely that 1) This sponsor isn't actually a front for illegal betting but just a regular sponsor 2) He has connectiions with the 50% of players that he brings in and matchfixing is going on.
I mean seriously, do you guys think you can call a game after 4 minutes? (seeing as it takes time to relay information and actually place the bets before the betting closes)
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On February 09 2015 17:16 Shuffleblade wrote:
I think it sounds fishy that such a big part of the players come into it through the sponsor. Many of these casters thats been sponsored like this would probably not have any problem getting decent players for theirm tournament without the sponsor pitching in half of them. Then why would the sponsor do that? Especially with only 5 minutes delay it sounds fishy that it would be for betting with the delay.
I mean in LOTV it would be a whole other ball game seeing the first 5 minutes of the game but in hots I would be very very hard pressed to be able to call a standard game within a 5 minutes time-frame.
Feels more likely that 1) This sponsor isn't actually a front for illegal betting but just a regular sponsor 2) He has connectiions with the 50% of players that he brings in and matchfixing is going on.
I mean seriously, do you guys think you can call a game after 4 minutes? (seeing as it takes time to relay information and actually place the bets before the betting closes)
Firstly, remember that it's 5-10 minutes real time, not Blizzard time.
Secondly, it's not about getting it right 100% of the time. Obviously there will be games which are slow from the start, with no side gaining any real advantage early on. But the sheer number of games which give one player a significant advantage early on means that the odds will be heavily tilted in your favour if you're betting across a large number of games. On average, you'll easily come out on top
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On February 09 2015 14:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 14:26 Pughy wrote:On February 09 2015 14:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 09 2015 14:18 Pughy wrote:
Solid statement by Wardii, that's pretty much exactly what happened to me but it's a little more deep.
I wont be making an official statement like this, I have a lot more information which I don't know if I can share. However for those interested I've given Richard Lewis a very thorough (3 page) statement with a lot of screen shots of conversations and how everything went down which will hopefully be out soon. Very interested to see what comes out of this. It's interesting Richard has sort of been put in charge of sorting all this out. Richard's knows the SC2 scene kinda well, I've known him for a few years and IMO he's a great journalist. CS:GO credit him alot with helping the recent match fixing stuff. HuK's doing some pretty good PI work as well, I give him a chunk of information after he asked me to appear on Remax this tuesday. Quite funny, the Korean sponsor messaged me while talking to HuK and HuK asked for his skype now they're chatting. Korean also said he'll be doing an interview with a Korean journalist to proof hes innocent, so yeah stay tuned. Oh shit this is gonan get juicier and juicier. PI Huk is on the case now boys.
PI Huk is just one of these moments that makes me wish I had any competence with Photoshop
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On February 09 2015 17:38 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 17:16 Shuffleblade wrote:
I think it sounds fishy that such a big part of the players come into it through the sponsor. Many of these casters thats been sponsored like this would probably not have any problem getting decent players for theirm tournament without the sponsor pitching in half of them. Then why would the sponsor do that? Especially with only 5 minutes delay it sounds fishy that it would be for betting with the delay.
I mean in LOTV it would be a whole other ball game seeing the first 5 minutes of the game but in hots I would be very very hard pressed to be able to call a standard game within a 5 minutes time-frame.
Feels more likely that 1) This sponsor isn't actually a front for illegal betting but just a regular sponsor 2) He has connectiions with the 50% of players that he brings in and matchfixing is going on.
I mean seriously, do you guys think you can call a game after 4 minutes? (seeing as it takes time to relay information and actually place the bets before the betting closes) Firstly, remember that it's 5-10 minutes real time, not Blizzard time. Secondly, it's not about getting it right 100% of the time. Obviously there will be games which are slow from the start, with no side gaining any real advantage early on. But the sheer number of games which give one player a significant advantage early on means that the odds will be heavily tilted in your favour if you're betting across a large number of games. On average, you'll easily come out on top
Good point that it isn't Blizzard time, didn't think about that. Also I guess that if they don't see any clear favorite after those 5 mins they can just pass on betting and wait for when they can actually tell who will win in that time frame.
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On February 09 2015 18:14 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 17:38 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On February 09 2015 17:16 Shuffleblade wrote:
I think it sounds fishy that such a big part of the players come into it through the sponsor. Many of these casters thats been sponsored like this would probably not have any problem getting decent players for theirm tournament without the sponsor pitching in half of them. Then why would the sponsor do that? Especially with only 5 minutes delay it sounds fishy that it would be for betting with the delay.
I mean in LOTV it would be a whole other ball game seeing the first 5 minutes of the game but in hots I would be very very hard pressed to be able to call a standard game within a 5 minutes time-frame.
Feels more likely that 1) This sponsor isn't actually a front for illegal betting but just a regular sponsor 2) He has connectiions with the 50% of players that he brings in and matchfixing is going on.
I mean seriously, do you guys think you can call a game after 4 minutes? (seeing as it takes time to relay information and actually place the bets before the betting closes) Firstly, remember that it's 5-10 minutes real time, not Blizzard time. Secondly, it's not about getting it right 100% of the time. Obviously there will be games which are slow from the start, with no side gaining any real advantage early on. But the sheer number of games which give one player a significant advantage early on means that the odds will be heavily tilted in your favour if you're betting across a large number of games. On average, you'll easily come out on top Good point that it isn't Blizzard time, didn't think about that. Also I guess that if they don't see any clear favorite after those 5 mins they can just pass on betting and wait for when they can actually tell who will win in that time frame.
In mirrors you usually see who will win it in 5 mins real time. You place your bets after the 6-7th min of ingame/blizz time, where in ZvZ ling bane should happen real hard, in PvP warp gate is finished and action takes places and in TvT the gas first builds have bursted in and shown how much dmg they did.
If we talk about 10 min delay, you have a ingame time where 2 base allins have happend and you should be able to judge a match by 80%. If you jugde both are even, bet on the next game, who cares, a series with 16-32 players has a large amount of games. You will be even with your sponsorship after 3-5 betted on games and then it is $$$.
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