EPTThey could at least edit the UI to have bigger supply numbers, this is a complete scumbag way to go about esports.
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FLeK0
86 Posts
They could at least edit the UI to have bigger supply numbers, this is a complete scumbag way to go about esports. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
It's such a stupid move by Gom. Any new potential viewers they have will be so turned off by the potato quality that in the long run they for sure lose money by doing this. It's like they know they're going bankrupt and just want as much money as possible while they can  | ||
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Mangooze
Netherlands301 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 14 2015 22:44 DJHelium wrote: Wolf is now trying to guilt people into subscribing: https://twitter.com/proxywolf/status/555356240566427649 It's such a stupid move by Gom. Any new potential viewers they have will be so turned off by the potato quality that in the long run they for sure lose money by doing this. It's like they know they're going bankrupt and just want as much money as possible while they can Man you gotta face the reality, there aren't that many new viewers coming into SC2. Has nothing to do with guilt tripping, but if you truly love Starcraft it should not be a problem for you to pay for the most hardcore SC2 content out there. You also gotta admit that there comes a time for corporations to make a decision: Changing the monetization theme, or downsizing/closing down. I'm not saying that I think GSL is poor a-f, but as far as I know they've been always loyal to SC2 and even used other games (WoT) to support it. The fact that the community is so hostile to them now is quite shocking to me. Also people making the point about legitimacy: Traditional sports almost always have exclusive deals for pay-to-view content, especially in soccer. Only the biggest events are free(just like in SC2!) most of the time. EDIT: Missed half a sentence there in the second paragraph. | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On January 14 2015 23:05 KeksX wrote: Man you gotta face the reality, there aren't that many new viewers coming into SC2. Has nothing to do with guilt tripping, but if you truly love Starcraft it should not be a problem for you to pay for the most hardcore SC2 content out there. You also gotta admit that there comes a time for corporations to make a decision: Changing the monetization theme, or downsizing/closing down. I'm not saying that I think GSL is poor a-f, but as far as I know they've been always loyal to SC2 and even used other games (WoT) to support it. The fact that the community is so hostile to them now is quite shocking to me. Also people making the point about legitimacy: Traditional sports almost always have exclusive deals for pay-to-view content, especially in soccer. Only the biggest events are free(just like in SC2!) most of the time. EDIT: Missed half a sentence there in the second paragraph. Would be cool to see numbers on amount of new viewers, I have no idea how the growth is for SC2. Obviously not as much as it used to be, but I bet there are still some. I'm really thankful for Gom and what they've done for Starcraft, I just think this is a stupid move to make - both for us and themselves. Imo the only way this makes sense is if they believe they wont be able to produce content soon. As for pay-per-view content, you have to look at your competition. I'm not sure how all the other e-sports does it, but I haven't encountered it since MLG days. No other Starcraft 2 content has a stream quality this low. | ||
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thunder54
38 Posts
I sometimes watch the games live, but if i was to sub it would mainly be to watch vods, but i cant without seeing spoilers, so I don't want to sub. Wolf and gom need to learn the world doesn't run off love and fairy dust you got to give people what they want if you want their money. So now it's not worth it to me to take time out of my week to dedicate myself to watching a season of gsl games on low quality, they lose a veiwer and a customer, I will easily find something else to do with my time, if they just found a way to make a vod system work that eliminated spoilers instead of trying to force everyone to sub, they would do better. just give the customer what they want instead of trying to shovel and guilt a shit vod system down our throats, it just reaks of desperation wouldn't be surprised if they are not doing that well financially. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On January 14 2015 23:05 KeksX wrote: Man you gotta face the reality, there aren't that many new viewers coming into SC2. And thats why people are upset that Gom puts an hold to this. If you belief that surviving on the new media is only possible due to constant growth, then this move is a death sentence. So it would be silly to subscribe if you love the game and have that standpoint. But they aren't stopping growth, they just decide to go with Korea mostly, since that things growing like crazy since people put effort in there. Just like others put effort into the international scene and its growing there too. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
Thats a broader topic for another day however. The whole "sponsoring/marketing" bubble is a thing of its own. But if you're interested in that FeyFey, since you are from Germany, look up RocketbeansTV. Especially interesting on the topic of "surviving on new media". @thunder54: GOM has put up a statement about that as well- their new website/system is bound to contracts and they unfortunately can not do what they would like to do with VODs. Thats how businness works sadly... If they are bound by contract to (not) do specific things, they have no choice. @DJHelium: I do agree that it is not beneficial for us or them, but that might just be the result of the alternatives being even worse. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On January 14 2015 23:54 KeksX wrote: I don't believe that things can only exist if they are growing. I believe thats an archaic point of view and quite frankly it's the reason many things fail in the first place. Thats a broader topic for another day however. The whole "sponsoring/marketing" bubble is a thing of its own. But if you're interested in that FeyFey, since you are from Germany, look up RocketbeansTV. Especially interesting on the topic of "surviving on new media". @thunder54: GOM has put up a statement about that as well- their new website/system is bound to contracts and they unfortunately can not do what they would like to do with VODs. Thats how businness works sadly... If they are bound by contract to (not) do specific things, they have no choice. @DJHelium: I do agree that it is not beneficial for us or them, but that might just be the result of the alternatives being even worse. then they shouldn't be surprised when people refuse to pay for a product that is infinitely worse than before, should they? | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 15 2015 00:12 marvellosity wrote: then they shouldn't be surprised when people refuse to pay for a product that is infinitely worse than before, should they? I mean... I don't see them complaining, so... | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On January 15 2015 00:12 KeksX wrote: I mean... I don't see them complaining, so... The thing is... On January 14 2015 23:05 KeksX wrote: Has nothing to do with guilt tripping, but if you truly love Starcraft it should not be a problem for you to pay for the most hardcore SC2 content out there. You also gotta admit that there comes a time for corporations to make a decision: Changing the monetization theme, or downsizing/closing down. I'd love to subscribe to GSL, but I just can't justify it given the product I used to have. It's just the sense of basic value for money. If a chocolate bar that I loved halved in size but the cost stayed the same, I'd just stop buying it. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 15 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote: The thing is... I'd love to subscribe to GSL, but I just can't justify it given the product I used to have. It's just the sense of basic value for money. If a chocolate bar that I loved halved in size but the cost stayed the same, I'd just stop buying it. Probably alread happened somewhat, they just didn't tell you. Common practice. Look at the weight of the stuff(especially sweets) you buy. Anyway, I for one have no problem paying 15$ for a season. Hell I paid third of that for HSC and that was like 4 days. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13379 Posts
I would love to have discounted all year deals back though | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On January 15 2015 00:20 KeksX wrote: Probably alread happened somewhat, they just didn't tell you. Common practice. Look at the weight of the stuff(especially sweets) you buy. Anyway, I for one have no problem paying 15$ for a season. Hell I paid third of that for HSC and that was like 4 days. I'm not talking about inflation and company's gradual sneaky practices. It would just be halfing the size of the bar on the spot. And then people would come into a thread telling me I don't love this chocolate bar enough because I refuse to buy something that's half as good as it was before. I have no problem paying $15 a season either, or even a bit more, if I was actually getting a decent product out of it. Which I'm not. | ||
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Rocket-Bear
3070 Posts
On January 15 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote: The thing is... I'd love to subscribe to GSL, but I just can't justify it given the product I used to have. It's just the sense of basic value for money. If a chocolate bar that I loved halved in size but the cost stayed the same, I'd just stop buying it. + now there is Starleague + Proleague to compete with. GOM doesnt have monopoly on the korean market anymore either, And Proleague > All imo. I don't have time to sit through 5 bo3s as often as GSL is. One (at most) bo5 with a lot of different matchups are so much more interesting to me. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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Rocket-Bear
3070 Posts
On January 15 2015 00:24 Kabras wrote: it's true that the free stream quality is piss poor. it doesn't lag tho and to be fair i can easily tell what's going on most of the time... on one hand, you have to admit that paying for high quality code s games isn't an absurd demand on gom's part.. on the other hand, it's a terrible experience for anyone who isn't paying, most importantly new viewers. personally i don't mind it that much, although the 480 proleague is providing for free seems much more reasonable.. You can get High on Twitch, and Source on Azubu for proleague. More than 480. Plus 1080 youtube VoDs on https://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV | ||
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Creager
Germany1884 Posts
On January 15 2015 00:24 Kabras wrote: it's true that the free stream quality is piss poor. it doesn't lag tho and to be fair i can easily tell what's going on most of the time... on one hand, you have to admit that paying for high quality code s games isn't an absurd demand on gom's part.. on the other hand, it's a terrible experience for anyone who isn't paying, most importantly new viewers. personally i don't mind it that much, although the 480 proleague is providing for free seems much more reasonable.. Yeah, I don't think this debate is about the general idea of a paywall or that people are pissed to pay for a subscription... I've paid for several GSL subscriptions throughout the years (mostly when it still was gomtv) and have always been fine with it, but this isn't about "giving back" like Wolf stated in his tweet, it's about GOM taking away even the mediocre quality from non-subscribers just outside of Korea without communicating nor reacting/explaining properly. | ||
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Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
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