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This.
It's not about being cheap and not wanting to pay the 14 bucks. It's the fact that this system is bad for the scene, especially when the sc2's market is shrinking and you have competitions (within and outside sc2) that offer HD streams and VODs for free. It's a farce that in one hand you have Blizzard stating they want to have high standards for all WCS events while on the other hand, there's GSL, their supposedly most premiere tournament, completely ignores those requirements. This double standard only alienates viewers.
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Starcraft as an eSport isn't in a great spot right now. Not where it was a couple years ago for sure.
That should be obvious to everyone.
Pulling a stunt like this is ridiculous, and does nothing to pull in viewers from other eSports.
I sincerely hope this isn't their future business model, GSL is an integral part of what made Starcraft 2 a successful eSport three years ago.
Not like this..
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I don't think Starcraft is going to pull any more viewers in at the moment so probably makes sense from GOM's perspective to rinse what they can from the fans they have.
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On January 10 2015 05:46 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion that you're all ridiculous. Five bucks a month for the best SC2 tournament on the planet is a great fucking deal, if you don't like it then you shouldn't buy it. All the people posting that they think GSL is crap anyway should shut up double hard, why would it bother you that you can't see content you don't enjoy?
Did you forget to think about the part where there is a huge picture in the OP that says for any tournament that has WCS points on the line there is a required stream quality set by blizzard so that the event hosts a certain level of professionalism accessible to everyone?
I think that is the real issue everyone is kind of getting mad about here. It is supposed to be free. It isn't. It would be nice to have a real response from GOM or Blizzard/Starcraft on this.
I think these 2 posts summarize it pretty well:
On January 10 2015 06:16 ilikeredheads wrote:This. It's not about being cheap and not wanting to pay the 14 bucks. It's the fact that this system is bad for the scene, especially when the sc2's market is shrinking and you have competitions (within and outside sc2) that offer HD streams and VODs for free. It's a farce that in one hand you have Blizzard stating they want to have high standards for all WCS events while on the other hand, there's GSL, their supposedly most premiere tournament, completely ignores those requirements. This double standard only alienates viewers.
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On January 10 2015 05:45 Psycho777 wrote:
Of course this strategy can be profitable. $13.99 is nothing to people with jobs that don't smoke weed all day. Plenty of people will pay as they have in the past. Just by you not watching the stream anymore GSL doesn't doesn't lose anything. You really think they're making money off ad revenue from the 2-4k average foreign viewiers LOL idiots on this thread seriously. The problem with all these other leagues is that none of these casters are as good as Tasteless, and Artosis and you all know that.
Saw this post in reddit, but yeah. There are definitely casters who are better than Tasteless atm. You are pretty delusional if you think Tasteless is one of the best still. Apollo, Nathanias, Artosis, Tod, Rotterdam, Kaelaris all are better imo.
(a bit rude title on the youtube clip, but wasn't anything I could control sorry).
+ Show Spoiler +
Also, with Starleague and Proleague I am not even so sure GSL is the best sc2 tournament anymore either.
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Considering that the viewer numbers are at a low level (even though stable I believe? I'm also guilty of not watching much anymore, dunno why) this is a very dangerous move. I can see though that they have to finance their English cast somehow, but I do not think this is the right move. Ah well, will be the first GSL season since GSL open one I won't sub to, though mainly due to my diminished interest.
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On January 10 2015 05:02 AxiomBlurr wrote:
I have seen a few people mention the French stream,,,,where to watch please??
i'm late to the party but it'll be on each wednesday and friday at 8.00pm here http://www.twitch.tv/ogamingsc2
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On January 10 2015 06:24 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 05:46 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion that you're all ridiculous. Five bucks a month for the best SC2 tournament on the planet is a great fucking deal, if you don't like it then you shouldn't buy it. All the people posting that they think GSL is crap anyway should shut up double hard, why would it bother you that you can't see content you don't enjoy? Did you forget to think about the part where there is a huge picture in the OP that says for any tournament that has WCS points on the line there is a required stream quality set by blizzard so that the event hosts a certain level of professionalism accessible to everyone?
Could you maybe link to the rule that says that "any tournament that has WCS points on the line" has to have high quality streaming? Because if such a rule exists then obviously you're right and Blizzard should step in and enforce their licensing contract, but as far as I can tell there is no such rule and you people who keep declaring that they're entitled to free high-quality SC2 streams are just interpreting a rule that doesn't apply to the GSL in a way that lets you engage in the community's favorite pasttime: Being angry on the Internet. Meanwhile I've dropped the cost of two paperbacks and will spend the next three months listening to my favorite casters cast my favorite tournament.
This thread is full of people who love the SC2 scene but aren't willing to sacrifice a beer a month to support it and are just desperate to watch their two least favorite shitty casters for free. And mixed in with all the rage is a deep sadness that the scene isn't just thriving and growing, I wonder why that might be?
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On January 10 2015 07:30 AmericanUmlaut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 06:24 -Kyo- wrote:On January 10 2015 05:46 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion that you're all ridiculous. Five bucks a month for the best SC2 tournament on the planet is a great fucking deal, if you don't like it then you shouldn't buy it. All the people posting that they think GSL is crap anyway should shut up double hard, why would it bother you that you can't see content you don't enjoy? Did you forget to think about the part where there is a huge picture in the OP that says for any tournament that has WCS points on the line there is a required stream quality set by blizzard so that the event hosts a certain level of professionalism accessible to everyone? Could you maybe link to the rule that says that "any tournament that has WCS points on the line" has to have high quality streaming? Because if such a rule exists then obviously you're right and Blizzard should step in and enforce their licensing contract, but as far as I can tell there is no such rule and you people who keep declaring that they're entitled to free high-quality SC2 streams are just interpreting a rule that doesn't apply to the GSL in a way that lets you engage in the community's favorite pasttime: Being angry on the Internet. Meanwhile I've dropped the cost of two paperbacks and will spend the next three months listening to my favorite casters cast my favorite tournament. This thread is full of people who love the SC2 scene but aren't willing to sacrifice a beer a month to support it and are just desperate to watch their two least favorite shitty casters for free. And mixed in with all the rage is a deep sadness that the scene isn't just thriving and growing, I wonder why that might be?
reading the OP would be a good start to answer your first question.
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Yeah there's two problems with this.
1) Like many others have posted its supposed to be free, its part of the deal with blizzard if they want to hand out world championship points (WCS). This requirement from blizzard is to keep tournaments professional, GSL is not acting professional and is basically going back what they have agreed on. The points should be retracted unless GSL fix this, this is no different than any other breach of contract. Do X get Y, then you don't do X.
This is NOT about not wanting to pay the money or not understanding "what running a business means" or their "economical situation". They have agreed on supplying a certain service, if they don't they flat out fail everyone, both their fanbase and Blizzard.
2) Korea gets it for free, why should we have to pay for something that they get for free. This aggravates people for a good reason, its not a good business model and it does serve to turn people off. GSL agree to supply English stream 720p for free, they then give that service to the viewers they have not promised it and screws over the ones they made a deal with.
Its just not acceptable, even if you do understand their situation and want to support them you still have to agree that this is playing dirty.
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On January 10 2015 07:34 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 07:30 AmericanUmlaut wrote:On January 10 2015 06:24 -Kyo- wrote:On January 10 2015 05:46 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion that you're all ridiculous. Five bucks a month for the best SC2 tournament on the planet is a great fucking deal, if you don't like it then you shouldn't buy it. All the people posting that they think GSL is crap anyway should shut up double hard, why would it bother you that you can't see content you don't enjoy? Did you forget to think about the part where there is a huge picture in the OP that says for any tournament that has WCS points on the line there is a required stream quality set by blizzard so that the event hosts a certain level of professionalism accessible to everyone? Could you maybe link to the rule that says that "any tournament that has WCS points on the line" has to have high quality streaming? Because if such a rule exists then obviously you're right and Blizzard should step in and enforce their licensing contract, but as far as I can tell there is no such rule and you people who keep declaring that they're entitled to free high-quality SC2 streams are just interpreting a rule that doesn't apply to the GSL in a way that lets you engage in the community's favorite pasttime: Being angry on the Internet. Meanwhile I've dropped the cost of two paperbacks and will spend the next three months listening to my favorite casters cast my favorite tournament. This thread is full of people who love the SC2 scene but aren't willing to sacrifice a beer a month to support it and are just desperate to watch their two least favorite shitty casters for free. And mixed in with all the rage is a deep sadness that the scene isn't just thriving and growing, I wonder why that might be? reading the OP would be a good start to answer your first question.
Well, apparently, those rules don't apply to GSL, ESL and now also SpotTV (those rules are for non premier league like tournaments like Dreamhack etc) which is absurd in itself; The most important tournaments do not have to have the free 720p stream. Luckily only Gom has chosen not to do so..
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On January 10 2015 07:44 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 07:34 sAsImre wrote:On January 10 2015 07:30 AmericanUmlaut wrote:On January 10 2015 06:24 -Kyo- wrote:On January 10 2015 05:46 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion that you're all ridiculous. Five bucks a month for the best SC2 tournament on the planet is a great fucking deal, if you don't like it then you shouldn't buy it. All the people posting that they think GSL is crap anyway should shut up double hard, why would it bother you that you can't see content you don't enjoy? Did you forget to think about the part where there is a huge picture in the OP that says for any tournament that has WCS points on the line there is a required stream quality set by blizzard so that the event hosts a certain level of professionalism accessible to everyone? Could you maybe link to the rule that says that "any tournament that has WCS points on the line" has to have high quality streaming? Because if such a rule exists then obviously you're right and Blizzard should step in and enforce their licensing contract, but as far as I can tell there is no such rule and you people who keep declaring that they're entitled to free high-quality SC2 streams are just interpreting a rule that doesn't apply to the GSL in a way that lets you engage in the community's favorite pasttime: Being angry on the Internet. Meanwhile I've dropped the cost of two paperbacks and will spend the next three months listening to my favorite casters cast my favorite tournament. This thread is full of people who love the SC2 scene but aren't willing to sacrifice a beer a month to support it and are just desperate to watch their two least favorite shitty casters for free. And mixed in with all the rage is a deep sadness that the scene isn't just thriving and growing, I wonder why that might be? reading the OP would be a good start to answer your first question. Well, apparently, those rules don't apply to GSL, ESL and now also SpotTV (those rules are for non premier league like tournaments like Dreamhack etc) which is absurd in itself; The most important tournaments do not have to have the free 720p stream. Luckily only Gom has chosen not to do so..
lol so theses rules don't apply to 90% of the top lvl sc2 broadcasted ?
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On January 10 2015 07:49 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 07:44 Penev wrote:On January 10 2015 07:34 sAsImre wrote:On January 10 2015 07:30 AmericanUmlaut wrote:On January 10 2015 06:24 -Kyo- wrote:On January 10 2015 05:46 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion that you're all ridiculous. Five bucks a month for the best SC2 tournament on the planet is a great fucking deal, if you don't like it then you shouldn't buy it. All the people posting that they think GSL is crap anyway should shut up double hard, why would it bother you that you can't see content you don't enjoy? Did you forget to think about the part where there is a huge picture in the OP that says for any tournament that has WCS points on the line there is a required stream quality set by blizzard so that the event hosts a certain level of professionalism accessible to everyone? Could you maybe link to the rule that says that "any tournament that has WCS points on the line" has to have high quality streaming? Because if such a rule exists then obviously you're right and Blizzard should step in and enforce their licensing contract, but as far as I can tell there is no such rule and you people who keep declaring that they're entitled to free high-quality SC2 streams are just interpreting a rule that doesn't apply to the GSL in a way that lets you engage in the community's favorite pasttime: Being angry on the Internet. Meanwhile I've dropped the cost of two paperbacks and will spend the next three months listening to my favorite casters cast my favorite tournament. This thread is full of people who love the SC2 scene but aren't willing to sacrifice a beer a month to support it and are just desperate to watch their two least favorite shitty casters for free. And mixed in with all the rage is a deep sadness that the scene isn't just thriving and growing, I wonder why that might be? reading the OP would be a good start to answer your first question. Well, apparently, those rules don't apply to GSL, ESL and now also SpotTV (those rules are for non premier league like tournaments like Dreamhack etc) which is absurd in itself; The most important tournaments do not have to have the free 720p stream. Luckily only Gom has chosen not to do so.. lol so theses rules don't apply to 90% of the top lvl sc2 broadcasted ?
Yes.. :-S
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On January 10 2015 05:46 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion that you're all ridiculous. Five bucks a month for the best SC2 tournament on the planet is a great fucking deal, if you don't like it then you shouldn't buy it. All the people posting that they think GSL is crap anyway should shut up double hard, why would it bother you that you can't see content you don't enjoy?
I mean, I certainly won't be watching anymore.
On January 10 2015 06:28 Rocket-Bear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 05:45 Psycho777 wrote:
Of course this strategy can be profitable. $13.99 is nothing to people with jobs that don't smoke weed all day. Plenty of people will pay as they have in the past. Just by you not watching the stream anymore GSL doesn't doesn't lose anything. You really think they're making money off ad revenue from the 2-4k average foreign viewiers LOL idiots on this thread seriously. The problem with all these other leagues is that none of these casters are as good as Tasteless, and Artosis and you all know that. Saw this post in reddit, but yeah. There are definitely casters who are better than Tasteless atm. You are pretty delusional if you think Tasteless is one of the best still. Apollo, Nathanias, Artosis, Tod, Rotterdam, Kaelaris all are better imo. (a bit rude title on the youtube clip, but wasn't anything I could control sorry). + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSghAePk1Aw Also, with Starleague and Proleague I am not even so sure GSL is the best sc2 tournament anymore either.
Christ on a bike the stronger colors looks HIDEOUS.
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On January 10 2015 06:21 KelsierSC wrote:
I don't think Starcraft is going to pull any more viewers in at the moment so probably makes sense from GOM's perspective to rinse what they can from the fans they have.
Seriously, I could not care less. I did not even watch ProLeague, I barely watch any SC2 anymore and I bet a lot of people are the same. So I don't think they are making a lot of bank. SC2 is just no fun anymore, not even to watch, thats why the community has become so small.
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When I thought it was $14 a month to watch in high I thought it was a rip, but 42 dollars for all three seasons of GSL really isn't much.
I subbed to this season and unless the game quality continues to be as shit as it has been so far, will continue to sub. 
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#1. stop ragging on Tasteless he's starcraft fucking royalty. The whole scene would not exist without trail blazers like him so just keep that in mind while your bashing someone who - in my opinion is one of the few colonists who deserve a MBE.
#2. stop acting like self entitled brats complaining about a free version of a premium service, don't like it... pay for it. Buy less alcohol you student bums. Work it out, the amount of hours worth of content you get for the price of one meal.... it's value for money. The fact that you get other regions for free doesn't even come into it, GSL is the fucking premier league of starcraft. The other regions don't produce blizzcon winners for a reason - they are inferior.
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maybe sponsors can start caring more about other leagues like ssl.
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ill never forget the vods on the gom page. it was just perfect. i never understood why they changed it
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The sponsor/advertising problem is a great point! Thats an issue that needs to be addressed asap before the teams start losing money and our pro scene starts to disappear..
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