EPT2: MVP
3: JinAir
4: CJ
5: ST
6: Samsung
7: SKT
DNF: Prime
Unless SKT picks up some talent, I don't see them doing anything. I don't think Prime will exist in a year.
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UberNuB
United States365 Posts
2: MVP 3: JinAir 4: CJ 5: ST 6: Samsung 7: SKT DNF: Prime Unless SKT picks up some talent, I don't see them doing anything. I don't think Prime will exist in a year. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
1. JinAir 1.77 2. KT 2.38 3. SKT 3.54 4. MVP 3.92 5. CJ 5.23 6. ST-Yoe 5.31 7. Samsung 5.92 8. Prime 7.92 | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
7. Samsung - Better than Prime they have 2 carry players in Solar and Dear, everyone else seems way behind 6. MVP - Yeah MKP and Yonghwa are looking promising, but I wanna have some consistency and proleague format is something different, Taeja might not be fielded every week 5. CJ Entus - herO is a superstar and besisdes him they have at least 4-5 players who you can expect to win proleague matches 4. ST/yoe - 3 superstars in Life, Bomber and Parting, several others qualified for GSL or Starleague, they are not used to teamleague, but based on individual quality one of the best teams 3. SKT - They lost many of their superstar lineup, still Innovation, soO, Dream and Classic are very solid top4 2. KT - Main reason they don't get #1 is because I see a huge gap after their top4 TY/Flash/Stats/Zest, no real solid 5th player, but top4 is huge 1. Jin Air - They have the quality and the quantity - 8 solid players competing to be fielded | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On December 17 2014 15:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I wouldn't say that people are overrating ST-Yoe. Aggregating all the results, so far ST has been rated on average around the 5th-6th position. Even if you think ST-Yoe is awful, I don't think that's hopelessly overrating. Now KT on the other hand is actually hopelessly overrated. Nah KT is gonna do well because they have four good players and it's Bo5. Also the fact that they didn't make the individual leagues will give them more PL practice time :D | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On December 17 2014 15:34 00Visor wrote: 8. Prime - Yoda is a big addition, but he can't carry the team alone 7. Samsung - Better than Prime they have 2 carry players in Solar and Dear, everyone else seems way behind 6. MVP - Yeah MKP and Yonghwa are looking promising, but I wanna have some consistency and proleague format is something different, Taeja might not be fielded every week 5. CJ Entus - herO is a superstar and besisdes him they have at least 4-5 players who you can expect to win proleague matches 4. ST/yoe - 3 superstars in Life, Bomber and Parting, several others qualified for GSL or Starleague, they are not used to teamleague, but based on individual quality one of the best teams 3. SKT - They lost many of their superstar lineup, still Innovation, soO, Dream and Classic are very solid top4 2. KT - Main reason they don't get #1 is because I see a huge gap after their top4 TY/Flash/Stats/Zest, no real solid 5th player, but top4 is huge 1. Jin Air - They have the quality and the quantity - 8 solid players competing to be fielded Parting cannot play this year because he left SKT before his contract expired. The only way for him to play is if SKT helps him out which they probably aren't inclined to do. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/471157-parting-unable-to-play-in-2015-proleague | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 17 2014 15:37 Darkhorse wrote: Nah KT is gonna do well because they have four good players and it's Bo5. Also the fact that they didn't make the individual leagues will give them more PL practice time :D I appreciate the point about more PL practice. I just don't think their four players are as good as everyone thinks they are. | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Zest will prove his doubters wrong, Stats and Flash were only looking better towards the end of this year, and TY has proven time and again to be great at this format. Still no Zerg of note but in this meta it isn't as needed. Depth drops off dramatically after the top 4 but in this format 4 is all you need, and Action (and to a lesser extent Sleep) have shown that they can be serviceable in the playoffs. 2) Jin Air + Show Spoiler + They're the team I'll be cheering for and I expect sOs and Maru to crush face again but I'm a little concerned about their 3rd/4th players. Last year they had Rogue as a strong 3rd but he seemed to fall off towards the end of the year. I'm sure some combination of Rogue/Trap/Cure/Pigbaby/Symbol will take the last two spots, but it might take some trial and error to figure out who. 3) SKT + Show Spoiler + INno/soO/Classic/Dark is still a very strong lineup, Dream appears to be making a resurgence based on his qualification results, and ParalyzE and Billowy are stylistic enough to be great to swap in once in a while. 4) CJ + Show Spoiler + I think people are really underrating this team. herO has proven beyond all doubt that he's top 5 Protoss in the world, Bbyong looked terrifying in Hot6ix Cup until he ran into sKyHigh, who has himself proven to be no slouch. And I think ByuL will do very well. Sora/Hush/Trust/Bunny have all proven they have the skill to fill in and perform admirably. 5) MVP + Show Spoiler + This is tough to predict--they could be great or bad. It depends on how well (and how often) TaeJa plays in this format, whether MKP can continue his comeback, whether LosirA's supposed resurgence is really a thing, and whether HerO's mentality holds up after two rough qualifiers following a (mostly) rough 2014. 6) Samsung + Show Spoiler + This team is my dark horse. I predict Solar and Dear will crush face and Shine will still own any fan favorite he plays (though his effectiveness will drastically decrease now that Soulkey is out of the league). Their big problem is a lack of a 4th player and a Terran in this Terran-dominated metagame. I think a lot will ride on one of their new relatively unknown Terrans--if one can perform consistently they could surprise everyone. BrAvO is a good candidate; he was showing flashes of very strong play in Code A even while Terrans were suffering. 7) StarTale/Yoe + Show Spoiler + Would have rated them higher before hearing that Bomber isn't going to play much. As such I expect a typical San/Life/Curious lineup with a 4th player being switched between various players. I hope they give Hack a few opportunities, I always thought he was an underrated player and in this meta you need to send at least one Terran out there. 8) Prime + Show Spoiler + Hey, they're definitely better than last year. Creator/MyungSik/YoDa/BboongBboong is a completely acceptable team that will probably win a match here and there. Tough to see them as a real contender though. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On December 17 2014 15:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I appreciate the point about more PL practice. I just don't think their four players are as good as everyone thinks they are. Oh I think there are some overrated players on that KT lineup but I still think Zest/Flash/TY/Stats is one of the strongest starting lineups in the league | ||
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crazyweasel
607 Posts
1st : KT (of course) 2nd : ST - I believe in Life and Bomber 3rd : Jin Air - deep roster : 2 good reliable players of each race 4th : SKT - with Bogus in, they aren't completely done 5th: CJ - Byul is in the mix, he had great PL run last time 6t: MVP - It'll all come down to TL performing well 7th: prime - Choya baddie is out of the team, welcome YoDa and Bbong 8h : Samsung - With rorO out I don't see them going very far even with the addition of Dear | ||
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My_Fake_Plastic_Luv
United States257 Posts
2) KT 3) ST+Y... like the size of this team...Ha, just a guess! 4) Jin... Symbol, Rogue, Cure, Pigbaby are overrated. Maru and sOs more likely to concentrate on individual tourneys. 5) MVP... pls play Taeja 6) Prime... I felt like w/o individual tournaments getting in the way they will prepare!!! 7) CJ... 2 player team. Is Byong actually that good? 8) Samsung... no terran, z is pretty UP right now, that leaves Dear and Stork.. yikes. | ||
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Naikonz
Romania65 Posts
2. KT 3. SKT 4. MVP 5. CJ Entues 6. Startale-Yeo 7. Samsung 8. Prime | ||
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Liliputin
Czech Republic458 Posts
On December 17 2014 15:25 UberNuB wrote: I don't think Prime will exist in a year. God, how many times we have said this and have we been wrong? Teams like Slayers, OGS, IM have fallen before Prime, so a smart guy would never say such things... Ranks: 1.Jin Air 2.CJ 3.KT 4.SKT 5.MVP 6.Prime 7.StarTale 8.Samsung(God they look awful, Solar sry bro) | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
8: Prime 7: Samsung 6: NSFW if Bomber doesn't play a lot (if he does then switch with CJ) 5: CJ (Bbyong is really good, guys) ???: MVP (impossible to predict Taeja) 3: Jin Air 2: KT (Zest will have a worse year, responsibility falls more than ever on Flash and TY) 1: SKT (classic/inno/soO can reliably be expected to beat anyone, as long as soO isn't actually broken) What's interesting though is that with the exception of Prime and Samsung, I think every other team has the potential to go the distance if the stars align just right. I wouldn't be shocked to see any of ST/CJ/MVP in the top three. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
2. JinAir 3. CJ 4. SKT 5. Startale 6. MVP 7. Samsung 8. Prime I totally see KT win. | ||
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dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I don't think Maru has ever been in a "slump". He just didn't play that much in the off season, and yeah he did suffer some losses during this time, but even during his "peak" he wasn't invincible. sOs suffers from consistency issues sometimes, but we know this guy can be good. Terminator and Pigbaby seem to be doing well lately; Trap already has a Proleague championship under his belt, and during STX Soul's final run Trap showed to be a good team league player; Cure had a break out season last season; Rogue is probably one of the best Zergs out there at the moment, while Symbol is also a tried and tested player in team league as well, with a style that suits the format very well. All in all, this is a well rounded team, with both strong Ace players and depth. 2. CJ + Show Spoiler + herO is the clear Ace, and as good as ever. Bbyong hasn't played much in the off season, but this guy is definitely up there with the likes of Inno and Maru IMO. SkyHigh and Byul make a very solid supporting pair, although losing Hydra does hurt. This team does lack depth, but as seen by last season's KT, just having four solid players with bench players occasionally able to steal games can be more successful at the bo5 format than you might think. 3. KT + Show Spoiler + Zest's form is worrying. Unlike sOs who's known to do something wonky in individual leagues (especially after a tournament win), Zest is known for his consistency in individual leagues. He's also known for his PvZ. Both of these fell apart in the two qualifiers. Also, Zest's team league contribution last season was pretty mediocre TBH. Flash is still good, but I wouldn't give him the advantage when pinning him against the Ace player of any of the top teams. Same can be said of TY and Stats. KT will probably stick with their 4 man core, but unless Zest can quickly pull it together, that core is now weaker than it was last season. 4. SKT + Show Spoiler + Despite the star power, Rain was by far their most consistent Proleague contributor. His replacement, INnoVation, should be good enough to fill the gap left by their former Ace, but the supporting cast isn't looking as good as before. soO wasn't a good contributor to Proleague last season, and his recent form is worrying. His mechanics seem to be still good as ever, but I think his mindset has really been affected. He's now gotten himself into a habit of losing important decider matches, not just the finals. Classic has been pretty mediocre after his season 2 victory. Dark and Dream seem to be good additions, and their recent form is good, but it won't be easy filling the void left by PartinG and Soulkey. 5. MVP + Show Spoiler + MVP looks like a very solid team right now, but I'm gonna rank them here because the current line-up is still pretty untested in Proleague. YongHwa is doing well lately; Seed made it back to Code S; MarineKing is runner-up contender again; DeParture, Losira and Center all have shown significant improvements lately. I'm hesitant to consider TaeJa and HerO, becuz I'm not sure how much they'll be playing and how they'll be doing even if they do play. This team has a lot of promise, but remembering the EG-TL fiasco, I'm deliberately ranking an essentially brand new team lower on the rankings. 6. Samsung + Show Spoiler + Losing RorO is a huge deal. Stork... well... I think Dear or Solar has to be their Ace this season. I have faith in Dear, he seems to be in good shape lately (I feel like during his slump, he still has good mechanics -- it's just he started making questionable decisions and using strange builds), but his path of redemption is far from over. Solar has been really good, easily one of the best Zergs. But the supporting cast is where Samsung really falls short. They really need to find a consistent 3rd and 4th player. 7. ST-YFW + Show Spoiler + Again, this team is getting the doubt factor. Life is the Ace and he's as good as any for the job. Losing PartinG is pretty painful. Bomber has said he won't be playing much. San is good but not sure how he will do in team league (did he play TeSL or something?). Curious, Leenock and Hack are solid. Again, this team has lots of potential, but with a coaching staff new (correct me if I'm wrong) to Proleague, it's not an easy road ahead either. 8. Prime + Show Spoiler + Despite losing MarineKing, a series of acquisitions actually have this team improved. At least they now have a pretty stable four man core in Creator, MyuNgSiK, BBongBBong and YoDa. But sadly, this isn't enough to propel them out of last place, I feel. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13993 Posts
On December 17 2014 14:50 Darkhorse wrote: He put Startale last and MVP first his rank is a joke :D I feel like he did this JUST to spite me....or he was actually trying to imply something when he said jokingly to me that DRG might be a merc for MVP regardless here is my EXTREMELY sensible power rank + Show Spoiler [8th-Place Team, The WTF Placing] + Samsung Galaxy Khan Wait. WHAT?! Samsung Galaxy Khan isnt Prime! That's right. I actually thought a solid KeSPA team will perform worse than Prime will. Perhaps I am slightly biased towards some of the players (def not towards the teams themselves, I care for neither) but when I look at the rosters I see a few people who I believe will carry the teams throughout proleague. For Samsung its Stork, Solar, Dear, and maybe Shine. Solar has seemed a little inconsistent of late, he is for sure one of the best zergs in the world right now, but I can for sure say he was faaar better a month ago than he is right now. Dear hasnt been the same since he won the GSL and the WCS Season 1 Finals, and Stork....I really am not confident in stork. Also, this team is beyond shit without Roro. They can't do shit without him. + Show Spoiler [7th-Place Team, The Lorning Crew] + Prime just because I put Samsung in 8th over these newbs doesnt mean I'm lorning. Prime sucks, but I have a feeling that they will be a SLIGHTLY and I put emphasis on SLIGHTLY, better Samsung. Where Samsung has Solar Dear Stork and Shine, Prime has Creator, Myungsik, YoDa and MOST IMPORTANTLY B4. With Creator being the sexiest protoss before Zest was even playing SC2, Myungsik for being a total badass who should take 2015 by storm, YoDa being on a resurgence in the last quarter of the year, and B4 being a God...Prime can look to NOT take 8th...but they will still def get shrekt on RIP Lorning, next time pick a good team + Show Spoiler [6th Place Team, The Burning Legion] + MVP Okay straight up, if you said to yourself aloud the lineup for this team, and then asked me to guess what team these players belong to, I NEVER would have guessed MVP. Simply put, MVP=DongRaeGOD, Commander Keen, and Super Vampire. MarineKing, Losira, Yonghwa, TaeJa, Seed, HerO??? WTF this is NOT MVP. Though I feel they should be placed higher simply by having Yonghwa on the team, but I will never forgive Choya for the monstrosity he has created, He must be put down. + Show Spoiler [5th-Place Team The Forgotten Kings] + 5. CJ Entus unless my memory is terrible, this guess won the hybrid proleague right? That has gotta count for something. Regardless, CJ has herO, ByuL, skyhigh, BByong, and of course SORA. Unfortunately this team faces massive inconsistencies. herO and probably bbyong will be consistently good, but they need solid backup, and I am not seeing it from the other players, but maybe SORA can bring it back + Show Spoiler [4th-Place Team, The Red'Black De…] + 4. KT Rolster these guys are good. I really mean it. However I'm biased, and I like their archrivals better, who if you have been paying attention, have not be ranked yet :D. On a more serious note, these guys have FlaSh, Zest, Stats, TY and some other people no one really cares about. I will admit, FlaSh is good at proleague, TY is also good. Stats has just gotten better as time has gone by, and then there is Zest. Who has really been shit the last 4ish months honestly. Maybe he can come back with proleague, but i dunno kev + Show Spoiler [3rd-Place Team, Money is Money] + SK Telecom SKT is good, just like KT, but where KT has consistency is fewer numbers, SKT has depth, like 2012 ST/MVP depth. with winno in top form, the KT Killer on their side, Classic, Paralyze soO, and in my opinion most notebly DREAM AND DARK (no im being serious, those two will carry SKT) SKT may not look as fancy as last year, but they have a DAMN GOOD team + Show Spoiler [Tied for first, #SANFAN] + 1. ST-FW nope, thats not a typo, there is a team ranked above these guys, and they are still number one. I couldnt decide which I like mo- I mean, which has the better chance of coming out victorious in proleague, so I gave them a tie for first. ST-FW has AWESOMELY good players on its roster, including Has Hack Bomber aLIve Life AND SAN, with a potential to get PartinG as well, are you fucking kidding me?! Unholy Alliance aint got shit on these guys the hype is real + Show Spoiler [Tied for first, Fly you fools] + 1. Jin Air Green Wings Holy Shit, people actually realized for once at least, when I hype something its for good reason, even if its a year late, everyone realizes that this team is TERRFYINGLY GOOD. KT, SKT, ST_FW, Choya's Demonic Army, nothing compares (well except for aforementioned ST_FW according to my rankings) to JAGW lineup. They got dude with best name (terminator) two best proleaguers from last year (God and that Maru guy) HyuN's brother in roach arms Symbol, Observertoss, Trap Card Activated, AND the only up and coming duo that beats Dream/Dark (Rogue, and CURE) These guys will destroy everything in their path, except for San, and potential merc DRG, and maybe Dream/DArk but thats about it. Be Afraid Proleague, Be Very Afraid | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13993 Posts
On December 17 2014 16:58 pure.Wasted wrote: I hope y'all don't have too much riding on that JAGW hype train, because it's headed right for crash/burn station. sOs is almost guaranteed to do worse this year (judging by the content of his games vs MKP, his PvT will drop... and there will be more matches played of it), and I don't believe that Cure will be able to replicate his success from last season Code S. His TvT looked especially unconvincing. Rogue hasn't been able to transcend the meta the way Life, soO, Solar, and (?) Soulkey (???) have. Looks like a solid rank 3 team to me that has the potential to overperform. 8: Prime 7: Samsung 6: NSFW if Bomber doesn't play a lot (if he does then switch with CJ) 5: CJ (Bbyong is really good, guys) ???: MVP (impossible to predict Taeja) 3: Jin Air 2: KT (Zest will have a worse year, responsibility falls more than ever on Flash and TY) 1: SKT (classic/inno/soO can reliably be expected to beat anyone, as long as soO isn't actually broken) What's interesting though is that with the exception of Prime and Samsung, I think every other team has the potential to go the distance if the stars align just right. I wouldn't be shocked to see any of ST/CJ/MVP in the top three. Taeja sucks at proleague, soO is broken Classic isnt good enough, Flash and TY cant handle without Zest ST_FW have SAn nuff said | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13993 Posts
On December 17 2014 16:02 Darkhorse wrote: Oh I think there are some overrated players on that KT lineup but I still think Zest/Flash/TY/Stats is one of the strongest starting lineups in the league sOs, Maru Cure, Rogue San, Life, Bomber, Has Dream, Dark, Inno, Billowy | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
Link to ranking form Link to ranking "averages" If everyone uses it, then my time wouldn't have been wasted, too! I think it'd be pretty cool if OP updated with the links, and even cooler if he maintained the statistics on it. Now people don't need to read each response to get an idea of what people think. Obviously, it's still fun to read The_Templar's choices though, just his are so horrible. | ||
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