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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 02 2014 13:49 GMT
#21
What is interesting is how easy the hots campaign is compared to wol. I must admit to my shame, that I struggled a bit in the wol campaign on brutal. Some missions took several tries to get it right, mainly because the protoss shred medic+marine.
KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
December 02 2014 13:51 GMT
#22
Yeah, brutal mode was too easy. I hoped for something more challenging.

Maybe LotV will be more difficult, but I doubt it, blizzard designs their games for the lowest common denominator now.
England will fight to the last American
GamerLife
Profile Joined March 2013
Maldives54 Posts
December 02 2014 13:51 GMT
#23
I really feel that the Wol campagin and the Hots campaign are quite equal in difficulty, with the exception of the last map. All in on brutal is way harder than the last Hots map.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
December 02 2014 13:52 GMT
#24
Here's to hoping that LotV brutal will be hard
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 14:01:32
December 02 2014 13:57 GMT
#25
Try parking Kerrigan in your base and play brutal. It changes things quite a lot. Not having a superwoman insectoid demi-goddess makes several missions rather different.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
December 02 2014 13:57 GMT
#26
Some people enjoy speedruns, I've seen quite a few Grand Theft Auto streamers that just do that. Maybe you should give it a try, kind of like "Hurry up it's raid night achievement" sort of style, sort of thing, sort of fun having.
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
December 02 2014 13:59 GMT
#27
On December 02 2014 22:57 Squat wrote:
Try parking Kerrigan in our base and play brutal. It changes things quite a lot. Not having a superwoman insectoid demi-goddess makes several missions rather different.


Already on it.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
December 02 2014 14:13 GMT
#28
As easy as that campaign was, imo HotS' units were more fun to use than WoL's units. Maybe because they felt even more imba? Maybe I feel that way because the campaign was easier? I don't really know, I just had a lot of (easy) fun with teleporting swarmhosts and impalers and all that.
wmb
Profile Joined February 2014
Sweden282 Posts
December 02 2014 14:16 GMT
#29
hots campaign was really ez ;_;
Hi I'm the infamous wmb, Diamond 1 / Challenger Player.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 02 2014 14:16 GMT
#30
Everything is pretty easy when you've had a few years to dissect it, study it, and invent strategies. It's harder when it's fresh. AIs are necessarily limited in RTS games, you will always find a way to beat a static AI if you work hard enough at it.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 02 2014 14:17 GMT
#31
Don't know, when I was trying to get all the secondary objectives I was restarting several missions. Multiple times. WoL included(damn, the Thor mission under 20 minutes was insane, but fun )

It has to be easy in this way if you want to give player a chance to accomplish the rest too(not mentioning master achievements which were too tough even for progamers(I think destiny was raging on stream?).

So, no. The campaign is brutal if you want all the achievements and secondary objectives.

You are just using different set of achievements and goals/objectives =)
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TedCruz2016
Profile Joined November 2014
Hong Kong271 Posts
December 02 2014 15:07 GMT
#32
On December 02 2014 22:52 Jer99 wrote:
Here's to hoping that LotV brutal will be hard


Only if there's no active hero unit like Kerrigan.
Make DC listen!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 02 2014 15:11 GMT
#33
On December 02 2014 23:17 deacon.frost wrote:
Don't know, when I was trying to get all the secondary objectives I was restarting several missions. Multiple times. WoL included(damn, the Thor mission under 20 minutes was insane, but fun )

It has to be easy in this way if you want to give player a chance to accomplish the rest too(not mentioning master achievements which were too tough even for progamers(I think destiny was raging on stream?).

So, no. The campaign is brutal if you want all the achievements and secondary objectives.

You are just using different set of achievements and goals/objectives =)

I just want it to be difficult to complete the mission, I never cared about any achievements.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
bartus88
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 15:14:38
December 02 2014 15:13 GMT
#34
I somewhat agree, but it shouldn't be much harder than HotS. It would be off-putting for too many players. Remember diamond still means you're better than >90% of all 1v1 players. Also, as others have pointed out, the achievements give you some more challenge and as long as you can challenge yourself, like you did, it doesn't really matter right?
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NihilisticGod
Profile Joined March 2011
Northern Ireland174 Posts
December 02 2014 15:15 GMT
#35
I too would like to see a really difficult to complete campaign in LoTV. HoTS was a disappointment in how easy it was, even on the hardest setting. Maybe because I was a complete noob that I found WoL difficult on brutal but it was also a lot of fun getting through (what I thought was) tough as shit missions. I felt great completing it.

Finishing HoTS wasn't that memorable and I think I had the whole thing done in 2 days. Not what I was expecting, so here is hoping that Blizzard makes LoTV take a least a month to beat on Brutal!
Too weird to live... too rare to die.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 02 2014 15:25 GMT
#36
On December 03 2014 00:13 bartus88 wrote:
I somewhat agree, but it shouldn't be much harder than HotS. It would be off-putting for too many players. Remember diamond still means you're better than >90% of all 1v1 players. Also, as others have pointed out, the achievements give you some more challenge and as long as you can challenge yourself, like you did, it doesn't really matter right?

The point is you have levels of difficulty that aren't Brutal for people who aren't capable...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 15:34:00
December 02 2014 15:29 GMT
#37
On December 03 2014 00:13 bartus88 wrote:
I somewhat agree, but it shouldn't be much harder than HotS. It would be off-putting for too many players. Remember diamond still means you're better than >90% of all 1v1 players. Also, as others have pointed out, the achievements give you some more challenge and as long as you can challenge yourself, like you did, it doesn't really matter right?

Why not? I meant it's not like you have to play on brutal. Make easy so basic that my cognitively challenged cat could do it, and make brutal so hard you need a Doctor Octopus backpack to beat it, and then the full spectrum in between. Done, everyone wins.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 15:36:43
December 02 2014 15:35 GMT
#38
I'd like a difficulty level above Brutal myself. I used to be a masters player but now I haven't played in over a year, except like 2-3 god-awful games, and I'm quite shit, so if they made a difficulty level with just a stupid amount of units where even good players have to actually pay a little bit of attention, that'd be great. Maybe it would force me to get my mechanics back on track because they're completely fucked now and I can't be bothered to get rocked in mutliplayer by platinum players who know the meta

But then again using the SP to get back to MP is dumb and I should man up and do it... I just... don't feel like playing this, at all...
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 02 2014 15:39 GMT
#39
On December 03 2014 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 23:17 deacon.frost wrote:
Don't know, when I was trying to get all the secondary objectives I was restarting several missions. Multiple times. WoL included(damn, the Thor mission under 20 minutes was insane, but fun )

It has to be easy in this way if you want to give player a chance to accomplish the rest too(not mentioning master achievements which were too tough even for progamers(I think destiny was raging on stream?).

So, no. The campaign is brutal if you want all the achievements and secondary objectives.

You are just using different set of achievements and goals/objectives =)

I just want it to be difficult to complete the mission, I never cared about any achievements.

Yes, but people like you .... well, you are a small minority. So nope, it won't be any harder.

As I said - it is entertaining, that OP created his own achievements
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
December 02 2014 15:43 GMT
#40
On December 03 2014 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 00:13 bartus88 wrote:
I somewhat agree, but it shouldn't be much harder than HotS. It would be off-putting for too many players. Remember diamond still means you're better than >90% of all 1v1 players. Also, as others have pointed out, the achievements give you some more challenge and as long as you can challenge yourself, like you did, it doesn't really matter right?

The point is you have levels of difficulty that aren't Brutal for people who aren't capable...

Yeah haha you're completely right. We on TL often forget that other settings even exist because of how easy Brutal already was, but Blizzard should definitely do something about it. Make Brutal brutally hard and the rest easier as it was meant to be.
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