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ForGG wins DreamHack Winter - Page 7

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xavierzzz
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom3 Posts
December 01 2014 22:43 GMT
#121
has been Six years, so happy for him
SeriousLus
Profile Joined July 2012
169 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 23:06:21
December 01 2014 23:06 GMT
#122
I watched about 5-10 seconds of this. A widowmine killed 20+ lings and another one around 15-20 blings. all of this within a few seconds. In other words. No thx

@admins, its stating facts not balance whining.

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Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
December 01 2014 23:32 GMT
#123


Holly shit i though i was safe on TL
ForGG. 29/11/2014
Inertiaddict
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States126 Posts
December 02 2014 03:42 GMT
#124
To learn that ForGG took Dreamhack Winter made me incredibly happy. He's such a dedicated streamer. I put his stream on and I watch it when I'm falling asleep and then when I wake up again he's still playing. I think it's great. He's so damn good at the game. He's so mannered. He doesn't give up. I donate to him when I have the money. It brought a tear to my eye to hear his words at the end of the tournament. This first place couldn't have gone to a more deserving and hard working player. Congratulations, ForGG! Well done! Can't wait to see the stream up again.
Proud to be a mod for Polt, coLqxc, Sterling, Gamegene (Rebecca), Trump, Fnatic.Rain [retired], and Liquid'Jinro [retired]!!! <3 Manner up! <3 / Knowing the worst case situation makes one amply prepared.
Nafa
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
129 Posts
December 02 2014 04:48 GMT
#125
Come back to us ForGG. I miss your stream so much already!
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
December 02 2014 11:15 GMT
#126
On December 02 2014 04:25 falconfan02 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 03:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote:
Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.

Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.


Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.


Incorrect, even though life is aggressive - he didn't mindgame into weird switches or anything.
ForGG had been out of the scene for a long time, so his strategies were not out in the public yet, this gave him a big one time advantage.

I'd have to agree that forGG won through mindgames, not through superior mechanics or game sense.
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kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
December 02 2014 12:22 GMT
#127
You guys aren't implying that there's an issue with ForGG winning through strategy and mind games right? Because I'd think that's the way you should try to win a RTS game. And Life didn't do anything that made me think his mechanics were that much better than ForGGs, so not sure what you're seeing there.

And to the poster above, acting like ForGG hasn't been in WCS/Dreamhack circuit/streaming all day... I don't even.... EVERYONE knows how ForGG plays. He just brought out some fresh builds that made his win that much more impressive.
hfsrj
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany166 Posts
December 02 2014 13:40 GMT
#128
On December 02 2014 21:22 kaykoose wrote:
You guys aren't implying that there's an issue with ForGG winning through strategy and mind games right? Because I'd think that's the way you should try to win a RTS game.


This.

The S in RTS, last but not least... Strategy.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
December 02 2014 14:51 GMT
#129
Damn, what a finals. So entertaining to see a fresh take on Terran mech which usually bores me to death even though I'm a terran player myself. This guy deserved to win, I was sure he was a championship caliber player when he dismantled July in Code A back in 2011.
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
December 02 2014 14:55 GMT
#130
Still got it in ya ForGG. Honestly I love ForGG's style of play much more than any other Terran, it's just so scrappy, he made the entire series a joy to watch. Great game!
I post only when my brain works.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 02 2014 14:57 GMT
#131
On December 02 2014 20:15 kaluro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 04:25 falconfan02 wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote:
Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.

Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.


Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.


Incorrect, even though life is aggressive - he didn't mindgame into weird switches or anything.
ForGG had been out of the scene for a long time, so his strategies were not out in the public yet, this gave him a big one time advantage.

I'd have to agree that forGG won through mindgames, not through superior mechanics or game sense.

Even if it's true, ForGG winning through mindgames is already some kind of achievement. That was his main weakness in the past.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 03 2014 04:14 GMT
#132
Ha.
I will actually watch this finals even though I don't know anything about the Starcrafts anymore.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
JarBinx
Profile Joined February 2012
14 Posts
December 03 2014 04:17 GMT
#133
On December 02 2014 20:15 kaluro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 04:25 falconfan02 wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote:
Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.

Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.


Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.


Incorrect, even though life is aggressive - he didn't mindgame into weird switches or anything.
ForGG had been out of the scene for a long time, so his strategies were not out in the public yet, this gave him a big one time advantage.

I'd have to agree that forGG won through mindgames, not through superior mechanics or game sense.


Neither did ForGG. Life just didn't know how to deal with it.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
December 03 2014 11:05 GMT
#134
What a great series. It seemed like Life was losing his mind in the game on Sejong. I was literally watching a world champion have a mental breakdown on screen. And yet, he rallied for some victories. WP ForGG. A lot of his victory can be attributed to his incredible micro in scrappy situations. Life excels at micro in hectic games with attacks on multiple fronts, but ForGG straight up out controlled him several times.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
Svenoob
Profile Joined January 2012
France10 Posts
December 04 2014 08:50 GMT
#135
I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
December 04 2014 11:30 GMT
#136
On December 04 2014 17:50 Svenoob wrote:
I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !

Sometimes I wonder how people can come up with such dim things? In what way should not mining save minerals? Do they multiply if you leave them alone? Do they start decomposing if you harvest them?
nedro
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
21 Posts
December 04 2014 11:49 GMT
#137
Congrats ForGG! Here's to hoping it's a sign of better things to come!
"We shouldn't praise or condemn anyone, but rather try to promote a positive attitude towards what's good for everyone..." -aTnClouD
Svenoob
Profile Joined January 2012
France10 Posts
December 04 2014 20:00 GMT
#138
On December 04 2014 20:30 Karpfen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 17:50 Svenoob wrote:
I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !

Sometimes I wonder how people can come up with such dim things? In what way should not mining save minerals? Do they multiply if you leave them alone? Do they start decomposing if you harvest them?


This is not the first time i see a terran player saving minerals in order to mine easy in the late late game, expecting his opponent will think he mined his half of the map.
I think he did that because he knew that he was in a pretty decent position, so he could save these minerals in anticipation of crisis later in the game (knowing that this base was very well defended).
I just can't believe he "didn't realise" that he was not mining from that base during all that time. I mean, it's absolutely impossible to zap a base full of minerals, especially at that level.
Theosiel
Profile Joined June 2014
France9 Posts
December 04 2014 21:09 GMT
#139
On December 05 2014 05:00 Svenoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 20:30 Karpfen wrote:
On December 04 2014 17:50 Svenoob wrote:
I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !

Sometimes I wonder how people can come up with such dim things? In what way should not mining save minerals? Do they multiply if you leave them alone? Do they start decomposing if you harvest them?


This is not the first time i see a terran player saving minerals in order to mine easy in the late late game, expecting his opponent will think he mined his half of the map.
I think he did that because he knew that he was in a pretty decent position, so he could save these minerals in anticipation of crisis later in the game (knowing that this base was very well defended).
I just can't believe he "didn't realise" that he was not mining from that base during all that time. I mean, it's absolutely impossible to zap a base full of minerals, especially at that level.


Considering how scrappy that game was after the swarm hosts appeared and ForGG lost his main army, I don't believe any of the players thought they were in a good spot beyond that point.
And given how ForGG was handling several small armies at the same time during most of the game (instead of the huge army with a few harassing squads that we usually see from Terran players), I would not be surprised if he actually did not notice that he was not mining from that base.

But then again, i was not in his head during the game
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
December 06 2014 10:18 GMT
#140
"all this time I failed, but this time I succeed" ~ForGG = *me instant tears*
-Terran-
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