As day three of Dreamhack Winter got under way it appeared like we would see a repeat of the previous day, with one sided stomps and terran domination abound. However as the players got closer and closer to the grand finals the games and series also became a lot closer, a lot longer and a lot tenser. There was no telling who was going to win, and as the smoke cleared and the dust settled, an unlikely face stood clutching the trophy. It was indeed a terran; probably not the one people expected, but certainly that deserved if the most: Millenium's very own ForGG.
The Brood War pachyderm had done decently in his Starcraft 2 career, but he always came short late in tournaments. Despite showing incredible potential upon switching over, his story was a perpetual case of close, but not quite. He looked threatening a few times in GSL, but players like Leenock and MC soon found they were empty. Unable to conquer Korea, he moved again. This time, to Europe.
He became one of the first champions—certainly the first BW champion—to move to a new continent. His move to Millenium brought high expectations, but he unfortunately became the first victim to the now infamous Summer of Taeja after he was reverse swept in the finals of DH Valencia 2012.
For the following years he failed to reach another finals, notably losing to Stephano in the semi-final of 2013 WCS EU Season 1, Dear in ASUS ROG Winter 2014, StarDust in 2014 WCS EU Season 2 and soO in Dreamhack Stockholm 2014. It looked like ForGG was doomed to become the Curious of Europe. The gatekeeper of the semi-finals, an extremely good player that could make it to the bracket only to give someone a hard time. Despite finishing first in his group in Dreamhack Winter 2014, only his biggest fans expected him to go much further.
However there was something different about his run this time. He felt more complete as a player, somehow wiser, more patient. His TvP, which had looked like a major weakness, was patched up and it catapulted him to first place in his group against MC, Patience and StarDust. His TvZ overwhelmed Solar in a close 2-1 series. His success in the first stage of the competition set a date against Polt, but Captain America was no match against his legendary TvT.
ForGG looked like the second best player at Dreamhack as he stepped into the winner's bracket finals to face the one player that looked even stronger: StarTale.Life. It was a daunting challenge; the BlizzCon champion had slain both the mighty TaeJa and the speedy MMA, two of the illustrious terrans of the year on his way to the winner's bracket. But even Life would prove a minor hurdle as ForGG swept him aside 3-1 with anachronistic mech builds we haven't seen since GSL S5 2012. He booked a place in the grand finals against all odds.
This set up an epic rematch between Life and TaeJa in the lower bracket finals. In a repeat of their BlizzCon games, the series featured many early game shenanigans and late game havoc. The two juggernauts slugged it out to a game 5, but Life's intelligent army maneuvers and engagements proved superior. Once again he prevailed after trading blow after blow with the Liquid terran, marking his second consecutive finals.
On the other hand this was the first time in two years that ForGG had been in a grand final. Surely ForGG couldn't defeat Life again—Life always finds a way, as they say—because he had already show all his tricks in the first series. He had to have another plan for the reigning World Champion, right?
Nimbus
Instead, Life was the first one to try something different. After suffering against ForGG's mech in their first series of the night, the StarTale zerg took a gamble: a 9pool. At first it appeared to be a good call as they spawned favorably, but ForGG had opened conservatively with a reaper expand. Both players traded early attacks to little avail, and the result was a small economic and tech lead for ForGG. That would not be the only deviation as ForGG changed his own plans: he decided to go bio. The change of pace caught Life off guard and his 4th was denied several times. This opened up enough space so that ForGG could doom drop the natural of Life despite the heavy fortifications setup earlier. The Millenium terran was able to take down the spire and kills a horde of drones, but it came at the cost of his entire force. Seeing an opportunity, Life counter attacked immediately. He was able to ransack the terran economy but failed to deliver the killing blow. With three command centers, ForGG still had more income than the bleeding swarm, and a series of attacks culminating in a push with 3/3 eventually forced Life to tap out.
Overgrowth
On the second map ForGG decided to deploy some cheese of his own in the form of a proxy double rax. Life went for the greediest possible build, delaying his pool till the last possible second and it turned out to be a costly mistake as ForGG was able to raid the natural of Life and take a surprising 2-0 lead with little difficulty.
Catallena
His confidence growing, ForGG continued to play safely with another reaper expand on Catallena. He even cheekily feinted aggression with a bunker in Life's natural. This time, however, he reverted back to his tried and tested formula of a hellion-banshee midgame. Sensing that it was time for ForGG to play his standard, Life decided to try a different solution to a seemingly unsolvable problem: two base mutalisks.
After a fumbled attack in Life's natural, ForGG was forced to hunker down in anticipation of the flock. Unfortunately for Life, his mutas were able to do little damage. Curiously, ForGG took this as a cue to counter attack. He marched across the map with a small mech squad aided by a small fleet of vikings and banshees. The airforce cleared away all the mutalisks and overseers, giving the banshees free rein over Life's ground units. Unable to hold the push immediately, Life had no choice but to sacrifice his third base and turtle behind swarm hosts. Believing that he had done crippling damage, ForGG settled into his economy and expanded. As his income grew he became more and more confident, but he overestimated his lead and threw away too many units to the maws of Life's locusts.
Life sensed weakness and abused ForGG's immobility, smashing several of his mining bases while rapidly expanding himself. The tides were swinging back in Life's favor, partially due to ForGG forgetting to saturate his most secure mining base. Life however did trade big chunks of his army to hurt his opponent's economy, allowing ForGG to take extremely cost effective engagements against spawning ultralisks, depleting Life's bank almost entirely. He did this in exchange for his army, so both players found themselves with little money banked and almost no income. ForGG, despite being heavily down in supply, rallied his troops for one last attack, this time against Life's outlying expansions. Against all odds, ForGG was able to set up a fantastic position outside of Life's fresh mining base, which even allowed him to shell another expansion from the high ground. Life quickly realized the desperate spot this put him in, and kept rallying units into ForGG's fortified position. When he finally broke ForGG's siege position, the damage had already been done and the trade gone too heavily in ForGG's favor, who had secured another mining base and set up a Planetary Fortress there. With almost no income and ForGG's army climbing back up in supply, Life's army was finally wiped out and ForGG took a hard fought but massive 3-0 advantage.
King Sejong Station
Life had become extremely paranoid at this point in the series. One mistake was enough to put the nail in his coffin. It showed in his opening and playstyle, sending an early drone out purely for scouting purposes. Realizing ForGG's mech opening rather quickly he cancelled his baneling nest and threw down a roach warren, spire AND hydralisk den - all on two bases. ForGG's mech army composition wasn't too different from the previous game, but he was presented with a golden opportunity to move out earlier than usual, as Life's early teching and late economy led to ForGG's army growing as fast as Life's did - a wonderful spot for a mech player. The timing he attempted seemed semi-successful at first, as he killed Life's fourth base, but the game completely turned on its head when Life maneuvered his big roach army around the mech forces and ran it straight into ForGG's base, dealing crippling damage to his economy and production. At the same time, Life got a great army trade off by eliminating every banshee with chained fungals. Even though ForGG's neverending hellion runbys killed ridiculous amounts of drones, the lead Life had taken earlier was enough to see him close out the game with an eventual unscouted mutalisk switch - Life stole a game back and brought the series to 3-1.
Deadwing
ForGG followed his plan to stay unpredictable, opening with CC first. Life scouted his build though and managed to deny mining with just six zerglings, all the while getting his third base up. ForGG attempted a desperate hellbat/banshee attack, but Life caught wind of it and fully countered it with a mass roach/queen composition. Having deflected the attack, Life slowly but surely marched his units across the map and with no tanks in sight ForGG couldn't stabilize, leaving him at only a 3-2 advantage.
Foxtrot Labs
With everything on the line, ForGG went back to his reliable hellion/banshee build. Life geared up early for another mech game, planting down an early roach warren. ForGG however had saved the best for last, feigning mech with a blue flame hellion mid game. While denying Life's scouting, ForGG threw down six barracks and transitioned back into bio. Minutes passed by, with Life committing more and more to countering a mech style. To further sell the story, ForGG even did a hellion runby into the 3rd of Life, scorching several drones and escaping with minimum losses. Life's eventual scout of the barracks prompted an immediate attack from ForGG. In one fell sweep Life lost his 4th base, his 3rd was gutted, plenty of swarm hosts were picked off and he was very nearly on the verge of losing the game right then and there. ForGG however displayed great patience and discipline, called back his units, let them heal back up and further cemented his commanding position in the game. He never let go of it and eventually ransacked Life's main and outlying expansions with drops, repeatedly denying his 4th while continuing to macro, getting 3/3 and more expansions. Life fought tooth and nail to stay in the game, but as time passed by, ForGG's units only became more and more cost effective until he simply overwhelmed Life, forcing the last GG and earning his first ever championship.
As ForGG stumbled out of his booth, he was filled with a distantly familiar feeling. Cameras flashed timed with a thunderous applause, his name echoing throughout the stadium. He gave an emotional interview with Smix and struggled to hold back his tears. Suddenly, everything came rushing back.
Two thousand three hundred and fourteen days since he beat the greatest zerg in the world. Two thousand three hundred and fourteen days since he held that MSL trophy. A lifetime ago. A lifetime he can't possibly regret.
The slump after his greatest triumph. The team change and descent into retirement. The passage into a new game as its first former champion. The unmet expectations. The journey to another continent. The almosts and the not quites.
At Dreamhack Winter, everything changed. But the more things change, the more the stay the same.
Twice he beat the best zerg in the world, and now he is twice a champion.
I'm still in shocked. I been following forgg since he streamed from the ogs house and this has to be one of my favorite moments in SC2 history. Love you forgg <3 Hopefully this will boost his stream numbers to the old days when he would get 2k+
ForGG played incredibly well, the way he cried after winning reminded me of duck and HerO at DHW11
he deserved this, well played, terran imba, but he won with aggresive mech, akin to Lucifron in 2012 which I find to be soo much fun
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EDIT: looooool I'm sorry that wasnt meant to be a balance whine, I think balance is fine, that was just a weird way of appreciating ForGG's success with his unique style, maybe i should have said "despite bionic being the more popular and arguably better strat in TvZ, ForGG won with Mech?! in 2014?! that deserves a shoutout in it of itself"
But even Life would prove a minor hurdle as ForGG swept him aside 3-1
This was a 3-2 ! Great recap, thanks I think this is my favorite moment of all sc2
The 3-1 is in reference to their Winners Bracket series, not the Grand Final.
Yeah i know, but he won 3-2 in the winners bracket i think (and 4-2 in the grand final) !
Both correct. And he beat Bunny in the Group Stages to get to the Winners Bracket, not MMA.
Details aside, I love the write-up. I have to admit I wasn't cheering for him straight away, but this does make for an awesome story. It's funny how we needed something similar to a new Jaedong vs. Flash in Life vs. Taeja for ForGG to win a major title again. But he deserved it as he played tight the entire tournament.
As for Life, it was a matter of time before someone found a weakness to his new ZvT style, but there's no question in my mind he's here to stay for a while again if he keeps up this level of play, since he seems to have his old flair back.
I remember the real old school forgg when he had just switched to sc2. He went double fact hellion harass into 2 port bansee harass into loseing like every single game.
But I loved it more then any other streamer beacuse it was cool to watch that hardcore harass strats game after game after game.
i knewed forgg could take tournament, he's beaten Flash in BW and won an MSL, this guy knows his SC, he was even called the timing terran, let's see how far he goes
I think it's really difficult to talk about the elephant in the room anymore when it's been well over a year since the brood war titans switched over to starcraft 2 without actually dominating the scene. i guess?
ForGG knew how to counter the mech style he'd been using and he had this great Bio switch saved up as a counter to the counter. It would only really work once, relying as it did on a huge amount of stim marines with no medivacs. I just wonder how dependant it was on Foxtrot lab's gold base.
The best game for me though was Catallena despite the colossal blind spot that ForGG showed by not saturating a base he had taken for 10? in game minutes. The whole thing was so scrappy. Amazing.
Fantastic result for ForGG and fantastic story line for the tournament. That + the great games of the 3 finals more than made up for the rather mediocre games and stomps of the day before.
I tried to explain this to my wife, the history of it all and the greatness of finally winning a SC2 tournament. She doesn't know anything about SC2 and don't really care about it either but I think the actual message got through. I'm really happy ForGG got his four GG's.
On December 01 2014 04:08 Loomies wrote: I'm still in shocked. I been following forgg since he streamed from the ogs house and this has to be one of my favorite moments in SC2 history. Love you forgg <3 Hopefully this will boost his stream numbers to the old days when he would get 2k+
This. I loved forgg when he switched to SC2. Will definitely be following him more closely again.
On December 01 2014 06:27 OminouS wrote: I tried to explain this to my wife, the history of it all and the greatness of finally winning a SC2 tournament. She doesn't know anything about SC2 and don't really care about it either but I think the actual message got through. I'm really happy ForGG got his four GG's.
why would you want to explain it for your wife? If she asks you or shows interests that's a different story! But ya well most of our wifes/boyfriends doesn't care.
Nice writing. I remember that MSL title against JD and how I hated Forgg for it lol. In this DH I was cheering for him and I'm very happy that he accomplished his objective, once again against a great zerg. Obligatory Forgg Chant!!! Edit:
This was one of the most beautiful wins I've seen. I'm glad I was there live to witness it. It reminds me a lot of HerO's DreamHack Winter win. It just meant so much to both of these guys.
On December 01 2014 04:08 Loomies wrote: I'm still in shocked. I been following forgg since he streamed from the ogs house and this has to be one of my favorite moments in SC2 history. Love you forgg <3 Hopefully this will boost his stream numbers to the old days when he would get 2k+
Wow that all seems so long ago... I remember him streaming at oGs house and he would take food breaks and TOP would play on stream lol. It's good that he moved back to twitch and sometimes his viewers are almost 1k. Usually when he's talking and not playing music though
ForGG streaming is one of the reasons that helped me keep my passion for SC2, and I am just overjoyed for him winning this event. I could not have wished for a more perfect note to end on in 2014. Much love to ForGG and to DH and TL. xxx
grats ForGG. If there was one Terran who deserved it, it most definitely was you. not overhyped, authentic, not a lot of drama. a true European hope :p
Please, do not let Artosis give his predictions before a match anymore, he ruins everything Even though Life didn't win, I'm still happy for ForGG - great finals, well deserved!
Congrats ForGG!!!!! Very happy for you and thank for you such an entertaining final series! Especially game 3 with the southern mech position. Looked like something you'd see on the box art! Good luck to ForGG in the future!!!!
Congrats to forgg! Too bad it's way too late in the night ( or in the morning since it's 6 am) for me to watch it live :'( Hope life or some other zerg can work out some good response to mech though
This game ^^ He was not the favourite, he did not "make more stuff" and was not winning with gosu splits. I think he just won a RTS game. Life did the same in blizzcon and im pleased with it. There are tons of players at the top and the ones right below the top can be the best in a good day
S/O to Destruction, that was a very well written piece. It was great to see a fairy tale ending to another spectacular year of StarCraft. Well Played ForGG, well played.
Well deserved victory, i'm very happy for the guy, seems such a good person and a hard working person. The games were very entertaining, so aggressive by ForGG!
Unfortunately only ForGG regularly streams any more. Bomber and Polt used to as well, but they haven't streamed in ages. We also had a brief period with Fantasy and Journey streaming.
Best comeback ever! He played so well and thank god he didnt resigned on the way to this day. Welcome back to the Top ForGG you are a real master and you deserve it so freaking much! ForGG ForGG ForGG!!!!!
Truly DH: Winter is unique: it was breakthrough for HerO (to win s.t.), it was breakthrough for TaeJa (to win >10k) and now it is breakthrough for ForGG - to become champion in SC2.
He is only 3rd OSL/MSL champion to win premier SC2 event - and perhaps the last one.
(I mean I don't see Stork, Fantasy, Hydra or Effort winning one).
On December 01 2014 19:34 nimdil wrote: Truly DH: Winter is unique: it was breakthrough for HerO (to win s.t.), it was breakthrough for TaeJa (to win >10k) and now it is breakthrough for ForGG - to become champion in SC2.
He is only 3rd OSL/MSL champion to win premier SC2 event - and perhaps the last one.
(I mean I don't see Stork, Fantasy, Hydra or Effort winning one).
It was also a breakthrough for Naama to be the only Finnish player to ever win a premier in sc2
On December 01 2014 19:19 Destructicon wrote: Unfortunately only ForGG regularly streams any more. Bomber and Polt used to as well, but they haven't streamed in ages. We also had a brief period with Fantasy and Journey streaming.
ForGG streams (and rebroadcasts) alot. Most other Kor Players stream when they are teamless, will be teamless or joined recently a team. After they got their exposure and a decent follower and sub count, they stream alot less due to the fact, that streaming is not the best way to train.
I got very emotional watching ForGG's speech after winning the games. This meant so much to him that I think he deserved the win more than anybody else. It really did bring tears to my eyes. "Every time I fail... but this time I success" <3 forGG
ForGG showing incredible gameplay! this guy always has been outside the standard type of play in all his matchup.
I remember having ton of fun watching him playing marauder hellbat after the hellbat nerf in TvP with mixed success but was very refreshing. He also play incredible TvT, his style is so good it's unbelievable. He just revived mech play in TvZ and that is also very amazing. His game 3 vs life on the final was the most entertaining game in a long time.
no one could have deserved this more. forGG is also somewhat of an innovator but never really got his reward till now...his TvT was very creative back in the day.
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote: Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.
Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote: Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.
Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.
Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote: Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.
Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.
he only had to show 2 variations of his mech build though. im sure he had at least two more that he didnt have to show. he played similarly most of the sets except g1 of finals.
if he just won the one bo7 i'd agree but winning bo5 AND bo7 kinda seems like standing up to life.
I have been following ForGG for so long and most of his tournament results are always impressive and promising i'm glad he finally picked up a win Definitely deserves it! #2015yearofForGG
I watched about 5-10 seconds of this. A widowmine killed 20+ lings and another one around 15-20 blings. all of this within a few seconds. In other words. No thx
To learn that ForGG took Dreamhack Winter made me incredibly happy. He's such a dedicated streamer. I put his stream on and I watch it when I'm falling asleep and then when I wake up again he's still playing. I think it's great. He's so damn good at the game. He's so mannered. He doesn't give up. I donate to him when I have the money. It brought a tear to my eye to hear his words at the end of the tournament. This first place couldn't have gone to a more deserving and hard working player. Congratulations, ForGG! Well done! Can't wait to see the stream up again.
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote: Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.
Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.
Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.
Incorrect, even though life is aggressive - he didn't mindgame into weird switches or anything. ForGG had been out of the scene for a long time, so his strategies were not out in the public yet, this gave him a big one time advantage.
I'd have to agree that forGG won through mindgames, not through superior mechanics or game sense.
You guys aren't implying that there's an issue with ForGG winning through strategy and mind games right? Because I'd think that's the way you should try to win a RTS game. And Life didn't do anything that made me think his mechanics were that much better than ForGGs, so not sure what you're seeing there.
And to the poster above, acting like ForGG hasn't been in WCS/Dreamhack circuit/streaming all day... I don't even.... EVERYONE knows how ForGG plays. He just brought out some fresh builds that made his win that much more impressive.
On December 02 2014 21:22 kaykoose wrote: You guys aren't implying that there's an issue with ForGG winning through strategy and mind games right? Because I'd think that's the way you should try to win a RTS game.
Damn, what a finals. So entertaining to see a fresh take on Terran mech which usually bores me to death even though I'm a terran player myself. This guy deserved to win, I was sure he was a championship caliber player when he dismantled July in Code A back in 2011.
Still got it in ya ForGG. Honestly I love ForGG's style of play much more than any other Terran, it's just so scrappy, he made the entire series a joy to watch. Great game!
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote: Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.
Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.
Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.
Incorrect, even though life is aggressive - he didn't mindgame into weird switches or anything. ForGG had been out of the scene for a long time, so his strategies were not out in the public yet, this gave him a big one time advantage.
I'd have to agree that forGG won through mindgames, not through superior mechanics or game sense.
Even if it's true, ForGG winning through mindgames is already some kind of achievement. That was his main weakness in the past.
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote: Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.
Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.
Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.
Incorrect, even though life is aggressive - he didn't mindgame into weird switches or anything. ForGG had been out of the scene for a long time, so his strategies were not out in the public yet, this gave him a big one time advantage.
I'd have to agree that forGG won through mindgames, not through superior mechanics or game sense.
Neither did ForGG. Life just didn't know how to deal with it.
What a great series. It seemed like Life was losing his mind in the game on Sejong. I was literally watching a world champion have a mental breakdown on screen. And yet, he rallied for some victories. WP ForGG. A lot of his victory can be attributed to his incredible micro in scrappy situations. Life excels at micro in hectic games with attacks on multiple fronts, but ForGG straight up out controlled him several times.
I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !
On December 04 2014 17:50 Svenoob wrote: I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !
Sometimes I wonder how people can come up with such dim things? In what way should not mining save minerals? Do they multiply if you leave them alone? Do they start decomposing if you harvest them?
On December 04 2014 17:50 Svenoob wrote: I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !
Sometimes I wonder how people can come up with such dim things? In what way should not mining save minerals? Do they multiply if you leave them alone? Do they start decomposing if you harvest them?
This is not the first time i see a terran player saving minerals in order to mine easy in the late late game, expecting his opponent will think he mined his half of the map. I think he did that because he knew that he was in a pretty decent position, so he could save these minerals in anticipation of crisis later in the game (knowing that this base was very well defended). I just can't believe he "didn't realise" that he was not mining from that base during all that time. I mean, it's absolutely impossible to zap a base full of minerals, especially at that level.
On December 04 2014 17:50 Svenoob wrote: I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !
Sometimes I wonder how people can come up with such dim things? In what way should not mining save minerals? Do they multiply if you leave them alone? Do they start decomposing if you harvest them?
This is not the first time i see a terran player saving minerals in order to mine easy in the late late game, expecting his opponent will think he mined his half of the map. I think he did that because he knew that he was in a pretty decent position, so he could save these minerals in anticipation of crisis later in the game (knowing that this base was very well defended). I just can't believe he "didn't realise" that he was not mining from that base during all that time. I mean, it's absolutely impossible to zap a base full of minerals, especially at that level.
Considering how scrappy that game was after the swarm hosts appeared and ForGG lost his main army, I don't believe any of the players thought they were in a good spot beyond that point. And given how ForGG was handling several small armies at the same time during most of the game (instead of the huge army with a few harassing squads that we usually see from Terran players), I would not be surprised if he actually did not notice that he was not mining from that base.
But then again, i was not in his head during the game
Loved ForGG since the beginning, Even though other ppl got more attention, what ever.
We all have our own heroes Well played. Just the first game vs soO was sick. Every single game was impressive really shows that he have put in the effort and finally found his own playstyle and making it work.
He kinda plays like MMA imo, some flexibility in builds, but he really have his own style in TvT which make him very dangerous. but why i mention MMA is that ForGG are dropping so heavily and effectivly while heavy multitask is going on. He really worked on it. MMA = Drop heavy while testing ur multitasking and outplaying if possible. in his prime ofc.
but damn soO is just sick, he can never be counted out doesnt matter how fair behind he is. SoO is the best player in the world for sure and by a longshot and have been for a while imo.
I was so psyched being there in person. Been to almost every Dreamhack, atleast those in Sweden. We produce from only about 10million population the most good athletes in the world in so many sports! Wintersports, Soccer, Hockey players, Starcraft, Counter Strike is kind of a Swedish sport xD. etc. Im so proud.
Dreamhack have really had high production value for along time except for some flukes but in general. very proud of this. Not much in Sweden to be proud on atm with all feminism and anti-swe shit going on : P
On December 12 2014 23:01 Gammkrabb wrote: Loved ForGG since the beginning, Even though other ppl got more attention, what ever.
We all have our own heroes Well played. Just the first game vs soO was sick. Every single game was impressive really shows that he have put in the effort and finally found his own playstyle and making it work.
He kinda plays like MMA imo, some flexibility in builds, but he really have his own style in TvT which make him very dangerous. but why i mention MMA is that ForGG are dropping so heavily and effectivly while heavy multitask is going on. He really worked on it. MMA = Drop heavy while testing ur multitasking and outplaying if possible. in his prime ofc.
but damn soO is just sick, he can never be counted out doesnt matter how fair behind he is. SoO is the best player in the world for sure and by a longshot and have been for a while imo.
I was so psyched being there in person. Been to almost every Dreamhack, atleast those in Sweden. We produce from only about 10million population the most good athletes in the world in so many sports! Wintersports, Soccer, Hockey players, Starcraft, Counter Strike is kind of a Swedish sport xD. etc. Im so proud.
Dreamhack have really had high production value for along time except for some flukes but in general. very proud of this. Not much in Sweden to be proud on atm with all feminism and anti-swe shit going on : P
I was watching these replays and I was completely shocked Life tapped out of the third game on Catallena. He still had a reasonable chance to win it at the end.
He was in great shape throughout the game and even though ForGG killed a couple of his late expansions, so did Life do the same to him. When Life gg'd he actually had equal mineral lines to work with. Both players had a terrible number of workers (~24) due to not replenishing lost ones throughout the course of the game, although the mules obviously gave the economy edge to ForGG but really both players .
ForGG made a big blunder by not even remotely saturating his third and left 3 workers (edit: whoops somebody already mentioned this) mining it for pretty much the entire second half of the match, and the game ended with a fresh mineral line there. In my humble opinion, Life played significantly better in that particular match and literally would have won the match if he put a spore crawler at his 5th base to deny the banshee harass that ultimately made him leave.