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ForGG wins DreamHack Winter

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ForGG wins DreamHack Winter

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November 30th, 2014 19:01 GMT
2014 Dreamhack Winter


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ForGG wins DreamHack Winter


by Destructicon

As day three of Dreamhack Winter got under way it appeared like we would see a repeat of the previous day, with one sided stomps and terran domination abound. However as the players got closer and closer to the grand finals the games and series also became a lot closer, a lot longer and a lot tenser. There was no telling who was going to win, and as the smoke cleared and the dust settled, an unlikely face stood clutching the trophy. It was indeed a terran; probably not the one people expected, but certainly that deserved if the most: Millenium's very own (T)ForGG.

The Brood War pachyderm had done decently in his Starcraft 2 career, but he always came short late in tournaments. Despite showing incredible potential upon switching over, his story was a perpetual case of close, but not quite. He looked threatening a few times in GSL, but players like Leenock and MC soon found they were empty. Unable to conquer Korea, he moved again. This time, to Europe.

He became one of the first champions—certainly the first BW champion—to move to a new continent. His move to Millenium brought high expectations, but he unfortunately became the first victim to the now infamous Summer of Taeja after he was reverse swept in the finals of DH Valencia 2012.

For the following years he failed to reach another finals, notably losing to Stephano in the semi-final of 2013 WCS EU Season 1, Dear in ASUS ROG Winter 2014, StarDust in 2014 WCS EU Season 2 and soO in Dreamhack Stockholm 2014.
It looked like ForGG was doomed to become the Curious of Europe. The gatekeeper of the semi-finals, an extremely good player that could make it to the bracket only to give someone a hard time. Despite finishing first in his group in Dreamhack Winter 2014, only his biggest fans expected him to go much further.

However there was something different about his run this time. He felt more complete as a player, somehow wiser, more patient. His TvP, which had looked like a major weakness, was patched up and it catapulted him to first place in his group against MC, Patience and StarDust. His TvZ overwhelmed Solar in a close 2-1 series. His success in the first stage of the competition set a date against Polt, but Captain America was no match against his legendary TvT.

ForGG looked like the second best player at Dreamhack as he stepped into the winner's bracket finals to face the one player that looked even stronger: StarTale.Life. It was a daunting challenge; the BlizzCon champion had slain both the mighty TaeJa and the speedy MMA, two of the illustrious terrans of the year on his way to the winner's bracket. But even Life would prove a minor hurdle as ForGG swept him aside 3-1 with anachronistic mech builds we haven't seen since GSL S5 2012. He booked a place in the grand finals against all odds.

This set up an epic rematch between (Z)Life and (T)TaeJa in the lower bracket finals. In a repeat of their BlizzCon games, the series featured many early game shenanigans and late game havoc. The two juggernauts slugged it out to a game 5, but Life's intelligent army maneuvers and engagements proved superior. Once again he prevailed after trading blow after blow with the Liquid terran, marking his second consecutive finals.

On the other hand this was the first time in two years that ForGG had been in a grand final. Surely ForGG couldn't defeat Life again—Life always finds a way, as they say—because he had already show all his tricks in the first series. He had to have another plan for the reigning World Champion, right?

Nimbus

Instead, Life was the first one to try something different. After suffering against ForGG's mech in their first series of the night, the StarTale zerg took a gamble: a 9pool. At first it appeared to be a good call as they spawned favorably, but ForGG had opened conservatively with a reaper expand. Both players traded early attacks to little avail, and the result was a small economic and tech lead for ForGG. That would not be the only deviation as ForGG changed his own plans: he decided to go bio. The change of pace caught Life off guard and his 4th was denied several times. This opened up enough space so that ForGG could doom drop the natural of Life despite the heavy fortifications setup earlier. The Millenium terran was able to take down the spire and kills a horde of drones, but it came at the cost of his entire force. Seeing an opportunity, Life counter attacked immediately. He was able to ransack the terran economy but failed to deliver the killing blow. With three command centers, ForGG still had more income than the bleeding swarm, and a series of attacks culminating in a push with 3/3 eventually forced Life to tap out.

Overgrowth

On the second map ForGG decided to deploy some cheese of his own in the form of a proxy double rax. Life went for the greediest possible build, delaying his pool till the last possible second and it turned out to be a costly mistake as ForGG was able to raid the natural of Life and take a surprising 2-0 lead with little difficulty.

Catallena

His confidence growing, ForGG continued to play safely with another reaper expand on Catallena. He even cheekily feinted aggression with a bunker in Life's natural. This time, however, he reverted back to his tried and tested formula of a hellion-banshee midgame. Sensing that it was time for ForGG to play his standard, Life decided to try a different solution to a seemingly unsolvable problem: two base mutalisks.

After a fumbled attack in Life's natural, ForGG was forced to hunker down in anticipation of the flock. Unfortunately for Life, his mutas were able to do little damage. Curiously, ForGG took this as a cue to counter attack. He marched across the map with a small mech squad aided by a small fleet of vikings and banshees. The airforce cleared away all the mutalisks and overseers, giving the banshees free rein over Life's ground units. Unable to hold the push immediately, Life had no choice but to sacrifice his third base and turtle behind swarm hosts. Believing that he had done crippling damage, ForGG settled into his economy and expanded. As his income grew he became more and more confident, but he overestimated his lead and threw away too many units to the maws of Life's locusts.

Life sensed weakness and abused ForGG's immobility, smashing several of his mining bases while rapidly expanding himself. The tides were swinging back in Life's favor, partially due to ForGG forgetting to saturate his most secure mining base. Life however did trade big chunks of his army to hurt his opponent's economy, allowing ForGG to take extremely cost effective engagements against spawning ultralisks, depleting Life's bank almost entirely. He did this in exchange for his army, so both players found themselves with little money banked and almost no income. ForGG, despite being heavily down in supply, rallied his troops for one last attack, this time against Life's outlying expansions. Against all odds, ForGG was able to set up a fantastic position outside of Life's fresh mining base, which even allowed him to shell another expansion from the high ground. Life quickly realized the desperate spot this put him in, and kept rallying units into ForGG's fortified position. When he finally broke ForGG's siege position, the damage had already been done and the trade gone too heavily in ForGG's favor, who had secured another mining base and set up a Planetary Fortress there. With almost no income and ForGG's army climbing back up in supply, Life's army was finally wiped out and ForGG took a hard fought but massive 3-0 advantage.

King Sejong Station

Life had become extremely paranoid at this point in the series. One mistake was enough to put the nail in his coffin. It showed in his opening and playstyle, sending an early drone out purely for scouting purposes. Realizing ForGG's mech opening rather quickly he cancelled his baneling nest and threw down a roach warren, spire AND hydralisk den - all on two bases. ForGG's mech army composition wasn't too different from the previous game, but he was presented with a golden opportunity to move out earlier than usual, as Life's early teching and late economy led to ForGG's army growing as fast as Life's did - a wonderful spot for a mech player. The timing he attempted seemed semi-successful at first, as he killed Life's fourth base, but the game completely turned on its head when Life maneuvered his big roach army around the mech forces and ran it straight into ForGG's base, dealing crippling damage to his economy and production. At the same time, Life got a great army trade off by eliminating every banshee with chained fungals. Even though ForGG's neverending hellion runbys killed ridiculous amounts of drones, the lead Life had taken earlier was enough to see him close out the game with an eventual unscouted mutalisk switch - Life stole a game back and brought the series to 3-1.

Deadwing

ForGG followed his plan to stay unpredictable, opening with CC first. Life scouted his build though and managed to deny mining with just six zerglings, all the while getting his third base up. ForGG attempted a desperate hellbat/banshee attack, but Life caught wind of it and fully countered it with a mass roach/queen composition. Having deflected the attack, Life slowly but surely marched his units across the map and with no tanks in sight ForGG couldn't stabilize, leaving him at only a 3-2 advantage.

Foxtrot Labs

With everything on the line, ForGG went back to his reliable hellion/banshee build. Life geared up early for another mech game, planting down an early roach warren. ForGG however had saved the best for last, feigning mech with a blue flame hellion mid game. While denying Life's scouting, ForGG threw down six barracks and transitioned back into bio. Minutes passed by, with Life committing more and more to countering a mech style. To further sell the story, ForGG even did a hellion runby into the 3rd of Life, scorching several drones and escaping with minimum losses. Life's eventual scout of the barracks prompted an immediate attack from ForGG. In one fell sweep Life lost his 4th base, his 3rd was gutted, plenty of swarm hosts were picked off and he was very nearly on the verge of losing the game right then and there. ForGG however displayed great patience and discipline, called back his units, let them heal back up and further cemented his commanding position in the game. He never let go of it and eventually ransacked Life's main and outlying expansions with drops, repeatedly denying his 4th while continuing to macro, getting 3/3 and more expansions. Life fought tooth and nail to stay in the game, but as time passed by, ForGG's units only became more and more cost effective until he simply overwhelmed Life, forcing the last GG and earning his first ever championship.



As ForGG stumbled out of his booth, he was filled with a distantly familiar feeling. Cameras flashed timed with a thunderous applause, his name echoing throughout the stadium. He gave an emotional interview with Smix and struggled to hold back his tears. Suddenly, everything came rushing back.

Two thousand three hundred and fourteen days since he beat the greatest zerg in the world. Two thousand three hundred and fourteen days since he held that MSL trophy. A lifetime ago. A lifetime he can't possibly regret.

The slump after his greatest triumph. The team change and descent into retirement. The passage into a new game as its first former champion. The unmet expectations. The journey to another continent. The almosts and the not quites.

At Dreamhack Winter, everything changed. But the more things change, the more the stay the same.

Twice he beat the best zerg in the world, and now he is twice a champion.

Writer: Destructicon
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Photo: DreamHack
Editor: lichter, DarkLordOlli.
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gneGne
Profile Joined June 2007
Netherlands697 Posts
November 30 2014 19:07 GMT
#2
So happy!
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
November 30 2014 19:07 GMT
#3
A GOD !
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Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 19:08:41
November 30 2014 19:08 GMT
#4
I'm still in shocked. I been following forgg since he streamed from the ogs house and this has to be one of my favorite moments in SC2 history. Love you forgg <3 Hopefully this will boost his stream numbers to the old days when he would get 2k+
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 19:15:42
November 30 2014 19:08 GMT
#5
But even Life would prove a minor hurdle as ForGG swept him aside 3-1

This was a 3-2 !
Great recap, thanks
I think this is my favorite moment of all sc2
ForGG. 29/11/2014
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 30 2014 19:14 GMT
#6
awesome, i will need time to realize what forgg has done
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 20:55:09
November 30 2014 19:18 GMT
#7
"ah shit"

ForGG played incredibly well, the way he cried after winning reminded me of duck and HerO at DHW11

he deserved this, well played, terran imba, but he won with aggresive mech, akin to Lucifron in 2012 which I find to be soo much fun

User was warned for this post

EDIT: looooool I'm sorry that wasnt meant to be a balance whine, I think balance is fine, that was just a weird way of appreciating ForGG's success with his unique style, maybe i should have said "despite bionic being the more popular and arguably better strat in TvZ, ForGG won with Mech?! in 2014?! that deserves a shoutout in it of itself"
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SFDuality
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1318 Posts
November 30 2014 19:20 GMT
#8
On December 01 2014 04:08 Faefae wrote:
Show nested quote +
But even Life would prove a minor hurdle as ForGG swept him aside 3-1

This was a 3-2 !
Great recap, thanks
I think this is my favorite moment of all sc2

The 3-1 is in reference to their Winners Bracket series, not the Grand Final.
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
November 30 2014 19:20 GMT
#9
So deserved. I am happy for forgg, and may this be the start of many more titles to come
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
November 30 2014 19:27 GMT
#10
On December 01 2014 04:20 SFDuality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 04:08 Faefae wrote:
But even Life would prove a minor hurdle as ForGG swept him aside 3-1

This was a 3-2 !
Great recap, thanks
I think this is my favorite moment of all sc2

The 3-1 is in reference to their Winners Bracket series, not the Grand Final.

Yeah i know, but he won 3-2 in the winners bracket i think (and 4-2 in the grand final) !
ForGG. 29/11/2014
StatixEx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom779 Posts
November 30 2014 19:28 GMT
#11
in sure winter knows forGG won though!

Waw result!
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
November 30 2014 19:32 GMT
#12
That last game was the most entertaining game i have seen in many months.Epic strategy.
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
November 30 2014 19:36 GMT
#13
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Sharkken
Profile Joined October 2012
Jordan141 Posts
November 30 2014 19:38 GMT
#14
Congrats ForGG!

You deserve it!!!
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 30 2014 19:39 GMT
#15
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 30 2014 19:44 GMT
#16
Beautiful article, thank you <3
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
November 30 2014 19:45 GMT
#17
If it wasn't Life I'm glad it was ForGG. What a guy
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CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
November 30 2014 19:48 GMT
#18
Congrats to ForGG! Most excellent games and much deserved championship!
~ The Ultimate Weapon
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
November 30 2014 19:50 GMT
#19
What if I say I'm not like the others!!!!

ForGG!!!! Congrats man. Been a long time since Arena!
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
November 30 2014 19:50 GMT
#20
Never been happier for a SC2 champ. Congrats and well played ForGG
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
November 30 2014 19:50 GMT
#21
well done Forgg!!~~
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
November 30 2014 19:50 GMT
#22
wow 2000 days since a 1st place. GG!!!!!!
kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
November 30 2014 19:51 GMT
#23
well played, forgg! you really deserved it!
misterxy1994
Profile Joined July 2013
Germany53 Posts
November 30 2014 19:52 GMT
#24
Finally ForGG got his overdue championship win <3.
I love these tl article, pls keep going!
Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
November 30 2014 19:55 GMT
#25
On December 01 2014 04:27 Faefae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 04:20 SFDuality wrote:
On December 01 2014 04:08 Faefae wrote:
But even Life would prove a minor hurdle as ForGG swept him aside 3-1

This was a 3-2 !
Great recap, thanks
I think this is my favorite moment of all sc2

The 3-1 is in reference to their Winners Bracket series, not the Grand Final.

Yeah i know, but he won 3-2 in the winners bracket i think (and 4-2 in the grand final) !


Both correct. And he beat Bunny in the Group Stages to get to the Winners Bracket, not MMA.

Details aside, I love the write-up. I have to admit I wasn't cheering for him straight away, but this does make for an awesome story. It's funny how we needed something similar to a new Jaedong vs. Flash in Life vs. Taeja for ForGG to win a major title again. But he deserved it as he played tight the entire tournament.

As for Life, it was a matter of time before someone found a weakness to his new ZvT style, but there's no question in my mind he's here to stay for a while again if he keeps up this level of play, since he seems to have his old flair back.
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Malefik
Profile Joined November 2011
France2 Posts
November 30 2014 19:59 GMT
#26
Congratulation ForGG >> Your are rewarded today
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13956 Posts
November 30 2014 20:01 GMT
#27
I remember the real old school forgg when he had just switched to sc2. He went double fact hellion harass into 2 port bansee harass into loseing like every single game.

But I loved it more then any other streamer beacuse it was cool to watch that hardcore harass strats game after game after game.
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Scarx
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany49 Posts
November 30 2014 20:06 GMT
#28
EEEHH!!!
TOAA
Profile Joined October 2014
United States38 Posts
November 30 2014 20:12 GMT
#29
i knewed forgg could take tournament, he's beaten Flash in BW and won an MSL, this guy knows his SC, he was even called the timing terran, let's see how far he goes
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wmb
Profile Joined February 2014
Sweden282 Posts
November 30 2014 20:13 GMT
#30
forgg is a baws dats for sure! what's next?
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VArsovskiSC
Profile Joined July 2010
Macedonia563 Posts
November 30 2014 20:24 GMT
#31
Though I dislike Terran wins (especially in winter), must say ForGG impressed :D
Another world, another place, another universe, won the race.. :) ;) :P
Theosiel
Profile Joined June 2014
France9 Posts
November 30 2014 20:25 GMT
#32
On December 01 2014 05:13 wmb wrote:
forgg is a baws dats for sure! what's next?


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Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
November 30 2014 20:26 GMT
#33
I just stepped in elephant crap...
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 30 2014 20:28 GMT
#34
A bit sad that Life couldn't win, but I can't be angry at ForGG. :D He played his heart out, and deserved the win!

Congrats!
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kugel
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany116 Posts
November 30 2014 20:30 GMT
#35
deserved victory ! so nice that he can finish the year like this. forGG hwaiting 2015 !
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 30 2014 20:39 GMT
#36
I think it's really difficult to talk about the elephant in the room anymore when it's been well over a year since the brood war titans switched over to starcraft 2 without actually dominating the scene. i guess?
maru lover forever
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
November 30 2014 20:42 GMT
#37
I feel like that last game was a work of genius.

ForGG knew how to counter the mech style he'd been using and he had this great Bio switch saved up as a counter to the counter. It would only really work once, relying as it did on a huge amount of stim marines with no medivacs. I just wonder how dependant it was on Foxtrot lab's gold base.

The best game for me though was Catallena despite the colossal blind spot that ForGG showed by not saturating a base he had taken for 10? in game minutes. The whole thing was so scrappy. Amazing.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
Ignorant prodigy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States385 Posts
November 30 2014 20:46 GMT
#38
His TvP, which had looked like a major weakness, was patched up


lol

i cant help but feel the choice of words was deliberate here
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klipik12
Profile Joined March 2012
United States241 Posts
November 30 2014 20:54 GMT
#39
On December 01 2014 04:36 Elyvilon wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjQ9tuuTJQ


I have no idea how this is relevant, but it's awesome regardless.
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Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
November 30 2014 21:00 GMT
#40
On December 01 2014 05:54 klipik12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 04:36 Elyvilon wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjQ9tuuTJQ


I have no idea how this is relevant, but it's awesome regardless.



It was the Arena MSL 2009 opening song, which ForGG won. Hence it became his song
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
November 30 2014 21:01 GMT
#41
On December 01 2014 06:00 Pino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 05:54 klipik12 wrote:
On December 01 2014 04:36 Elyvilon wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjQ9tuuTJQ


I have no idea how this is relevant, but it's awesome regardless.



It was the Arena MSL 2009 opening song, which ForGG won. Hence it became his song

2008 !
ForGG. 29/11/2014
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa976 Posts
November 30 2014 21:05 GMT
#42
On December 01 2014 06:01 Faefae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 06:00 Pino wrote:
On December 01 2014 05:54 klipik12 wrote:
On December 01 2014 04:36 Elyvilon wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjQ9tuuTJQ


I have no idea how this is relevant, but it's awesome regardless.



It was the Arena MSL 2009 opening song, which ForGG won. Hence it became his song

2008 !


Excatly! man thats so awesome...he deserves it, especially because he got so much heat and hate over the last years...
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syroz
Profile Joined September 2012
France249 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 21:27:25
November 30 2014 21:12 GMT
#43
During his speech, I was on the verge of crying too!

He struggled so hard to get his second big championship, that was well deserved.

And what a tourney! Great builds, great mindgames, great opponents, that was splendid.

GG ForGG !!
Kazahk
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States385 Posts
November 30 2014 21:12 GMT
#44
Congratz to ForGG, he has been waiting a long time for this im sure
Rngesus blessed me with a tooth half, then shunned me with a spinach roll.
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
November 30 2014 21:24 GMT
#45
Fantastic result for ForGG and fantastic story line for the tournament. That + the great games of the 3 finals more than made up for the rather mediocre games and stomps of the day before.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44368 Posts
November 30 2014 21:25 GMT
#46
ForGG absolutely deserved this win; he played masterfully all tournament long Congratulations!
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OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
November 30 2014 21:27 GMT
#47
I tried to explain this to my wife, the history of it all and the greatness of finally winning a SC2 tournament. She doesn't know anything about SC2 and don't really care about it either but I think the actual message got through. I'm really happy ForGG got his four GG's.
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
November 30 2014 21:39 GMT
#48
GG to ForGG.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
stormssc
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland125 Posts
November 30 2014 21:39 GMT
#49
Ah damn it. I was there but I had to leave before the series concluded and missed the ceremony T_T

Still, I rooted for ForGG all day long so I'm happy.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
November 30 2014 21:42 GMT
#50
I found ForGG's mech games very refreshing.

I also loved his fake mech into bio tank+mass drops in game 6.

this is the proof that hard work pays off. wp!
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33397 Posts
November 30 2014 21:44 GMT
#51
6 years between championships? No problem.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
November 30 2014 22:00 GMT
#52
On December 01 2014 04:08 Loomies wrote:
I'm still in shocked. I been following forgg since he streamed from the ogs house and this has to be one of my favorite moments in SC2 history. Love you forgg <3 Hopefully this will boost his stream numbers to the old days when he would get 2k+


This. I loved forgg when he switched to SC2. Will definitely be following him more closely again.
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
wmb
Profile Joined February 2014
Sweden282 Posts
November 30 2014 22:05 GMT
#53
On December 01 2014 06:27 OminouS wrote:
I tried to explain this to my wife, the history of it all and the greatness of finally winning a SC2 tournament. She doesn't know anything about SC2 and don't really care about it either but I think the actual message got through. I'm really happy ForGG got his four GG's.


why would you want to explain it for your wife? If she asks you or shows interests that's a different story! But ya well most of our wifes/boyfriends doesn't care.
Hi I'm the infamous wmb, Diamond 1 / Challenger Player.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
November 30 2014 22:13 GMT
#54
Awesome!! Happy to see ForGG win a big title again, Not surprising though, BW Legend after all
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 22:20:05
November 30 2014 22:19 GMT
#55
Nice writing. I remember that MSL title against JD and how I hated Forgg for it lol. In this DH I was cheering for him and I'm very happy that he accomplished his objective, once again against a great zerg.
Obligatory Forgg Chant!!!
Edit:
JD is BONJWA!
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
November 30 2014 22:26 GMT
#56
This was one of the most beautiful wins I've seen. I'm glad I was there live to witness it. It reminds me a lot of HerO's DreamHack Winter win. It just meant so much to both of these guys.
Administrator
Missing-No
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada50 Posts
November 30 2014 22:30 GMT
#57
Congrats ForGG! Well deserved my friend! Awesome write up !
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 22:31:13
November 30 2014 22:30 GMT
#58
It was indeed a terran; probably not the one people expected, but certainly that deserved if the most: Millenium's very own ForGG.

Small typo at the end of the first paragraph.

But yeah, was fun to watch. Makes the "ForGG Clause" of WCS even more meaningful.
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
November 30 2014 22:54 GMT
#59
I'm so happy for ForGG! I've been cheering for him since he made his appearance in European tournaments, and now he's finally done it. Big congrats!
This signature is ruining eSports.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 30 2014 23:02 GMT
#60
On December 01 2014 06:44 Waxangel wrote:
6 years between championships? No problem.


I guess even NaDa didn't do that

congrats to ForGG
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Mask DeMasque
Profile Joined February 2012
United States415 Posts
November 30 2014 23:11 GMT
#61
On December 01 2014 04:08 Loomies wrote:
I'm still in shocked. I been following forgg since he streamed from the ogs house and this has to be one of my favorite moments in SC2 history. Love you forgg <3 Hopefully this will boost his stream numbers to the old days when he would get 2k+

Wow that all seems so long ago... I remember him streaming at oGs house and he would take food breaks and TOP would play on stream lol. It's good that he moved back to twitch and sometimes his viewers are almost 1k. Usually when he's talking and not playing music though
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
November 30 2014 23:13 GMT
#62
Awesome match and really cool seeing how much it moved him. That "oh shit" in the interview because he couldn't speak said more than a thousand words.
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 23:42:08
November 30 2014 23:41 GMT
#63
Great to see "The Pretender" back on top! Way to go, ForGG!!!
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 01 2014 00:00 GMT
#64
On December 01 2014 08:02 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 06:44 Waxangel wrote:
6 years between championships? No problem.


I guess even NaDa didn't do that

congrats to ForGG


Too bad Nada / July / Boxer never won a SC2 tournament.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
SamuraiJB
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1 Post
December 01 2014 00:07 GMT
#65
ForGG streaming is one of the reasons that helped me keep my passion for SC2, and I am just overjoyed for him winning this event. I could not have wished for a more perfect note to end on in 2014. Much love to ForGG and to DH and TL. xxx
"If only you could see what I have seen with your eyes"
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8540 Posts
December 01 2014 00:08 GMT
#66
grats ForGG. If there was one Terran who deserved it, it most definitely was you. not overhyped, authentic, not a lot of drama. a true European hope :p
Lordanubis
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom198 Posts
December 01 2014 00:09 GMT
#67
On December 01 2014 04:36 Elyvilon wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjQ9tuuTJQ

Time to rewatch the VODs with this looping in the background...
"Hell hath no fury like a Shattered Star" - The Shattered Star
Shtanjel
Profile Joined November 2014
Slovenia49 Posts
December 01 2014 00:12 GMT
#68
Please, do not let Artosis give his predictions before a match anymore, he ruins everything
Even though Life didn't win, I'm still happy for ForGG - great finals, well deserved!
Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
December 01 2014 00:37 GMT
#69
That was a good read!
Hey man
captkroger
Profile Joined April 2013
United States5 Posts
December 01 2014 01:08 GMT
#70
Congrats ForGG!!!!! Very happy for you and thank for you such an entertaining final series! Especially game 3 with the southern mech position. Looked like something you'd see on the box art! Good luck to ForGG in the future!!!!

Very well written article too
TvT is broken :)
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
December 01 2014 01:23 GMT
#71
Congrats to forgg! Too bad it's way too late in the night ( or in the morning since it's 6 am) for me to watch it live :'(
Hope life or some other zerg can work out some good response to mech though
sdnnvs
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil33 Posts
December 01 2014 01:47 GMT
#72
ForGG works hard... Congratz, man...
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
December 01 2014 02:05 GMT
#73
The Pretender!

INnoVation TY Maru | Classic Stats Dear sOs Zest herO | Rogue Dark soO
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
December 01 2014 02:10 GMT
#74
Great to see ForGG winning the title and doing such build at matchpoint is truly amazing! Hope he will be part of sc2 for a long time!
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
December 01 2014 02:19 GMT
#75
This game ^^
He was not the favourite, he did not "make more stuff" and was not winning with gosu splits. I think he just won a RTS game.
Life did the same in blizzcon and im pleased with it.
There are tons of players at the top and the ones right below the top can be the best in a good day
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
December 01 2014 02:26 GMT
#76
정ㅋ벅ㅋ

I am so happy!
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 01 2014 02:37 GMT
#77
On December 01 2014 09:09 Lordanubis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 04:36 Elyvilon wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjQ9tuuTJQ

Time to rewatch the VODs with this looping in the background...


That's the only way to do it :D
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MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
December 01 2014 02:44 GMT
#78
wow, He is the third player to win a BW tournament and a SC2 tournament, after JD and Flash
ukiya2004
Profile Joined March 2014
199 Posts
December 01 2014 03:12 GMT
#79
I feel so happy for ForGG but so sad for Life.... so conflicted
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
December 01 2014 03:14 GMT
#80
On December 01 2014 12:12 ukiya2004 wrote:
I feel so happy for ForGG but so sad for Life.... so conflicted

Life won WCS, he can be happy for at least being another finalist??
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
December 01 2014 03:46 GMT
#81
amazing series, glad i got to watch.
gratz ForGG!
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
December 01 2014 03:48 GMT
#82
I am a huge fan of Life but it was a well-deserved ForGG's championship.

Congratz to him.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
IMLyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada714 Posts
December 01 2014 04:11 GMT
#83
S/O to Destruction, that was a very well written piece. It was great to see a fairy tale ending to another spectacular year of StarCraft. Well Played ForGG, well played.
I'ma show you how great I am ~ Muhammed Ali
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
December 01 2014 07:31 GMT
#84
Ah Life A bit unexpected,but gratz ForGG!
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
zendy
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany13 Posts
December 01 2014 08:37 GMT
#85
What a game - never been happier for a dreamhack champ.
Congrats and well played ForGG !!!
Goto_
Profile Joined September 2013
France8 Posts
December 01 2014 09:12 GMT
#86
I'm so happy for him.

Congrats and well played ForGG !
finkelboy
Profile Joined December 2008
Italy372 Posts
December 01 2014 10:12 GMT
#87
Well deserved victory, i'm very happy for the guy, seems such a good person and a hard working person. The games were very entertaining, so aggressive by ForGG!
Ma jae yoon, what else? By.hero next bonjwa
ThetrueSmug
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia14 Posts
December 01 2014 10:14 GMT
#88
Congratulations to ForGG so deserved!!! Is there a player better than him right now who streams weekly? Onto IEM, WCS and hopefully Blizzcon 2015
IMMvp the greatest there ever was.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
December 01 2014 10:19 GMT
#89
Unfortunately only ForGG regularly streams any more. Bomber and Polt used to as well, but they haven't streamed in ages. We also had a brief period with Fantasy and Journey streaming.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Chylvain
Profile Joined July 2012
France43 Posts
December 01 2014 10:24 GMT
#90
I'm so happy for him ! He fucki** deserve it !
I remember watching him from OGs' house with his amzing agressive gameplay.
"No GG, No Skill", that's why I never say "gg".
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 10:42:34
December 01 2014 10:25 GMT
#91
Best comeback ever!
He played so well and thank god he didnt resigned on the way to this day.
Welcome back to the Top ForGG you are a real master and you deserve it so freaking much!
ForGG ForGG ForGG!!!!!
F-
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
December 01 2014 10:34 GMT
#92
Truly DH: Winter is unique: it was breakthrough for HerO (to win s.t.), it was breakthrough for TaeJa (to win >10k) and now it is breakthrough for ForGG - to become champion in SC2.

He is only 3rd OSL/MSL champion to win premier SC2 event - and perhaps the last one.

(I mean I don't see Stork, Fantasy, Hydra or Effort winning one).
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7106 Posts
December 01 2014 11:02 GMT
#93
On December 01 2014 19:34 nimdil wrote:
Truly DH: Winter is unique: it was breakthrough for HerO (to win s.t.), it was breakthrough for TaeJa (to win >10k) and now it is breakthrough for ForGG - to become champion in SC2.

He is only 3rd OSL/MSL champion to win premier SC2 event - and perhaps the last one.

(I mean I don't see Stork, Fantasy, Hydra or Effort winning one).

It was also a breakthrough for Naama to be the only Finnish player to ever win a premier in sc2
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 01 2014 11:09 GMT
#94
On December 01 2014 19:19 Destructicon wrote:
Unfortunately only ForGG regularly streams any more. Bomber and Polt used to as well, but they haven't streamed in ages. We also had a brief period with Fantasy and Journey streaming.


ForGG streams (and rebroadcasts) alot.
Most other Kor Players stream when they are teamless, will be teamless or joined recently a team. After they got their exposure and a decent follower and sub count, they stream alot less due to the fact, that streaming is not the best way to train.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
aDyingApril
Profile Joined April 2014
13 Posts
December 01 2014 11:11 GMT
#95
So cool, congratulations to ForGG! :D
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 11:29:42
December 01 2014 11:29 GMT
#96
I got very emotional watching ForGG's speech after winning the games. This meant so much to him that I think he deserved the win more than anybody else. It really did bring tears to my eyes. "Every time I fail... but this time I success" <3 forGG

My biggest congratulations to him!!
Information is everything
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
December 01 2014 11:31 GMT
#97
ForGG ! Mechn´ it happen even without ravens, very very impressive.
And even without the northern base mining ^.^
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 11:53:43
December 01 2014 11:52 GMT
#98
On December 01 2014 04:36 Elyvilon wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjQ9tuuTJQ

edit: nvm i'm stupid
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 01 2014 12:15 GMT
#99
On December 01 2014 12:14 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 12:12 ukiya2004 wrote:
I feel so happy for ForGG but so sad for Life.... so conflicted

Life won WCS, he can be happy for at least being another finalist??

It's never enough
AdministratorBreak the chains
FlyingSheeP
Profile Joined March 2011
China45 Posts
December 01 2014 12:59 GMT
#100
I missed the final series.Where can I get those replay packs?
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa~
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
December 01 2014 13:20 GMT
#101
ForGG showing incredible gameplay! this guy always has been outside the standard type of play in all his matchup.

I remember having ton of fun watching him playing marauder hellbat after the hellbat nerf in TvP with mixed success but was very refreshing. He also play incredible TvT, his style is so good it's unbelievable. He just revived mech play in TvZ and that is also very amazing. His game 3 vs life on the final was the most entertaining game in a long time.
spena
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada116 Posts
December 01 2014 13:27 GMT
#102
On December 01 2014 06:00 Pino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 05:54 klipik12 wrote:
On December 01 2014 04:36 Elyvilon wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjQ9tuuTJQ


I have no idea how this is relevant, but it's awesome regardless.



It was the Arena MSL 2009 opening song, which ForGG won. Hence it became his song

thanks for letting us know. was so confused why this vid kept being posted at the DH day 3 thread.

http://i.imgur.com/4XShpGs.png
It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire.
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 13:38:35
December 01 2014 13:36 GMT
#103
On December 01 2014 21:59 FlyingSheeP wrote:
I missed the final series.Where can I get those replay packs?

You can't get replays yet, they are not out yet i think. But you can watch the VODS here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/119948-small-sc2-vod-thread?page=31#601
ForGG. 29/11/2014
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
December 01 2014 15:47 GMT
#104
Holy shit, gratz to The Pretender!!!

Oh god now just let us hope he doesn't enter into another slump PLZ...
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
December 01 2014 16:12 GMT
#105
no one could have deserved this more. forGG is also somewhat of an innovator but never really got his reward till now...his TvT was very creative back in the day.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
zendy
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany13 Posts
December 01 2014 16:14 GMT
#106
oh boy - so well played - very deserved forGG !
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
December 01 2014 16:22 GMT
#107
This was a very good time to tune into SC2 after not following it much for over a year.

GG ForGG!
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 01 2014 16:26 GMT
#108
I love the way he put his trophy back at home

Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
TheBumbleBee
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria8 Posts
December 01 2014 17:17 GMT
#109
Best Major Event ever! Especially because ForGG has won, so deserved!!!
No Kill No Skill
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3380 Posts
December 01 2014 17:39 GMT
#110
congrats ForGG!!
Horang2 fan
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
December 01 2014 18:34 GMT
#111
Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
December 01 2014 18:51 GMT
#112
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote:
Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.

Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
falconfan02
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States231 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 19:26:05
December 01 2014 19:25 GMT
#113
On December 02 2014 03:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote:
Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.

Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.


Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
December 01 2014 19:26 GMT
#114
On December 02 2014 03:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote:
Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.

Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.

he only had to show 2 variations of his mech build though. im sure he had at least two more that he didnt have to show. he played similarly most of the sets except g1 of finals.

if he just won the one bo7 i'd agree but winning bo5 AND bo7 kinda seems like standing up to life.
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Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
December 01 2014 19:37 GMT
#115
I have been following ForGG for so long and most of his tournament results are always impressive and promising i'm glad he finally picked up a win Definitely deserves it! #2015yearofForGG
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1215 Posts
December 01 2014 20:00 GMT
#116
Excellent display of skill and tactics - well deserved that ForGG took this title!
~~(,,ºº>
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
December 01 2014 20:01 GMT
#117
ForGG is literally as twice as good as Life

I'm so happy that he finally won a big one. 2015 is gonna be a good year
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
ferdia
Profile Joined October 2011
Ireland13 Posts
December 01 2014 20:31 GMT
#118
Great to see ForGG's style winning through, lovely to watch.
spritzz
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada331 Posts
December 01 2014 21:40 GMT
#119
Well deserved and long time coming. The finals was by far the best series I've watched this year. Well done ForGG!
zugzug
XDEKSDEEXD
Profile Joined June 2013
622 Posts
December 01 2014 21:57 GMT
#120
Well done ForGG, well deserved
xavierzzz
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom3 Posts
December 01 2014 22:43 GMT
#121
has been Six years, so happy for him
SeriousLus
Profile Joined July 2012
169 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 23:06:21
December 01 2014 23:06 GMT
#122
I watched about 5-10 seconds of this. A widowmine killed 20+ lings and another one around 15-20 blings. all of this within a few seconds. In other words. No thx

@admins, its stating facts not balance whining.

User was warned for this post
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
December 01 2014 23:32 GMT
#123


Holly shit i though i was safe on TL
ForGG. 29/11/2014
Inertiaddict
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States126 Posts
December 02 2014 03:42 GMT
#124
To learn that ForGG took Dreamhack Winter made me incredibly happy. He's such a dedicated streamer. I put his stream on and I watch it when I'm falling asleep and then when I wake up again he's still playing. I think it's great. He's so damn good at the game. He's so mannered. He doesn't give up. I donate to him when I have the money. It brought a tear to my eye to hear his words at the end of the tournament. This first place couldn't have gone to a more deserving and hard working player. Congratulations, ForGG! Well done! Can't wait to see the stream up again.
Proud to be a mod for Polt, coLqxc, Sterling, Gamegene (Rebecca), Trump, Fnatic.Rain [retired], and Liquid'Jinro [retired]!!! <3 Manner up! <3 / Knowing the worst case situation makes one amply prepared.
Nafa
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
129 Posts
December 02 2014 04:48 GMT
#125
Come back to us ForGG. I miss your stream so much already!
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
December 02 2014 11:15 GMT
#126
On December 02 2014 04:25 falconfan02 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 03:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote:
Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.

Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.


Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.


Incorrect, even though life is aggressive - he didn't mindgame into weird switches or anything.
ForGG had been out of the scene for a long time, so his strategies were not out in the public yet, this gave him a big one time advantage.

I'd have to agree that forGG won through mindgames, not through superior mechanics or game sense.
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
December 02 2014 12:22 GMT
#127
You guys aren't implying that there's an issue with ForGG winning through strategy and mind games right? Because I'd think that's the way you should try to win a RTS game. And Life didn't do anything that made me think his mechanics were that much better than ForGGs, so not sure what you're seeing there.

And to the poster above, acting like ForGG hasn't been in WCS/Dreamhack circuit/streaming all day... I don't even.... EVERYONE knows how ForGG plays. He just brought out some fresh builds that made his win that much more impressive.
hfsrj
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany166 Posts
December 02 2014 13:40 GMT
#128
On December 02 2014 21:22 kaykoose wrote:
You guys aren't implying that there's an issue with ForGG winning through strategy and mind games right? Because I'd think that's the way you should try to win a RTS game.


This.

The S in RTS, last but not least... Strategy.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
December 02 2014 14:51 GMT
#129
Damn, what a finals. So entertaining to see a fresh take on Terran mech which usually bores me to death even though I'm a terran player myself. This guy deserved to win, I was sure he was a championship caliber player when he dismantled July in Code A back in 2011.
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
December 02 2014 14:55 GMT
#130
Still got it in ya ForGG. Honestly I love ForGG's style of play much more than any other Terran, it's just so scrappy, he made the entire series a joy to watch. Great game!
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 02 2014 14:57 GMT
#131
On December 02 2014 20:15 kaluro wrote:
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On December 02 2014 04:25 falconfan02 wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote:
Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.

Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.


Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.


Incorrect, even though life is aggressive - he didn't mindgame into weird switches or anything.
ForGG had been out of the scene for a long time, so his strategies were not out in the public yet, this gave him a big one time advantage.

I'd have to agree that forGG won through mindgames, not through superior mechanics or game sense.

Even if it's true, ForGG winning through mindgames is already some kind of achievement. That was his main weakness in the past.
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 03 2014 04:14 GMT
#132
Ha.
I will actually watch this finals even though I don't know anything about the Starcrafts anymore.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
JarBinx
Profile Joined February 2012
14 Posts
December 03 2014 04:17 GMT
#133
On December 02 2014 20:15 kaluro wrote:
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On December 02 2014 04:25 falconfan02 wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
On December 02 2014 03:34 b0rt_ wrote:
Gratz wow, so someone can stand up to Life.

Don't take as me thinking that ForGG's win was a fluke, but i still think it highly relied on ForGG being good enough to outmindgame Life in this finals first and foremost. That is not being able to stand up to Life, that's being able to stand behind Life.


Well, you could also say that Life's success at Blizzcon was largely thanks to his heavy use of unorthodox, aggressive builds rather than him outclassing his opponents through standard play. I think saying that the mental and strategical side of Starcraft is in some way worth less than the mechanical or raw skill aspect isn't quite fair.


Incorrect, even though life is aggressive - he didn't mindgame into weird switches or anything.
ForGG had been out of the scene for a long time, so his strategies were not out in the public yet, this gave him a big one time advantage.

I'd have to agree that forGG won through mindgames, not through superior mechanics or game sense.


Neither did ForGG. Life just didn't know how to deal with it.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
December 03 2014 11:05 GMT
#134
What a great series. It seemed like Life was losing his mind in the game on Sejong. I was literally watching a world champion have a mental breakdown on screen. And yet, he rallied for some victories. WP ForGG. A lot of his victory can be attributed to his incredible micro in scrappy situations. Life excels at micro in hectic games with attacks on multiple fronts, but ForGG straight up out controlled him several times.
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Svenoob
Profile Joined January 2012
France10 Posts
December 04 2014 08:50 GMT
#135
I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
December 04 2014 11:30 GMT
#136
On December 04 2014 17:50 Svenoob wrote:
I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !

Sometimes I wonder how people can come up with such dim things? In what way should not mining save minerals? Do they multiply if you leave them alone? Do they start decomposing if you harvest them?
nedro
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
21 Posts
December 04 2014 11:49 GMT
#137
Congrats ForGG! Here's to hoping it's a sign of better things to come!
"We shouldn't praise or condemn anyone, but rather try to promote a positive attitude towards what's good for everyone..." -aTnClouD
Svenoob
Profile Joined January 2012
France10 Posts
December 04 2014 20:00 GMT
#138
On December 04 2014 20:30 Karpfen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 17:50 Svenoob wrote:
I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !

Sometimes I wonder how people can come up with such dim things? In what way should not mining save minerals? Do they multiply if you leave them alone? Do they start decomposing if you harvest them?


This is not the first time i see a terran player saving minerals in order to mine easy in the late late game, expecting his opponent will think he mined his half of the map.
I think he did that because he knew that he was in a pretty decent position, so he could save these minerals in anticipation of crisis later in the game (knowing that this base was very well defended).
I just can't believe he "didn't realise" that he was not mining from that base during all that time. I mean, it's absolutely impossible to zap a base full of minerals, especially at that level.
Theosiel
Profile Joined June 2014
France9 Posts
December 04 2014 21:09 GMT
#139
On December 05 2014 05:00 Svenoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 20:30 Karpfen wrote:
On December 04 2014 17:50 Svenoob wrote:
I'm wondering, when ForGG didn't mine from the base at the top left in game 3 (on catallena), if he did that on purpose in order to save minerals for late late game. Did he said something about that after the finals? This would be such a ballsy move considering the face of the game !

Sometimes I wonder how people can come up with such dim things? In what way should not mining save minerals? Do they multiply if you leave them alone? Do they start decomposing if you harvest them?


This is not the first time i see a terran player saving minerals in order to mine easy in the late late game, expecting his opponent will think he mined his half of the map.
I think he did that because he knew that he was in a pretty decent position, so he could save these minerals in anticipation of crisis later in the game (knowing that this base was very well defended).
I just can't believe he "didn't realise" that he was not mining from that base during all that time. I mean, it's absolutely impossible to zap a base full of minerals, especially at that level.


Considering how scrappy that game was after the swarm hosts appeared and ForGG lost his main army, I don't believe any of the players thought they were in a good spot beyond that point.
And given how ForGG was handling several small armies at the same time during most of the game (instead of the huge army with a few harassing squads that we usually see from Terran players), I would not be surprised if he actually did not notice that he was not mining from that base.

But then again, i was not in his head during the game
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
December 06 2014 10:18 GMT
#140
"all this time I failed, but this time I succeed" ~ForGG = *me instant tears*
-Terran-
Mongoose
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-06 13:40:47
December 06 2014 13:39 GMT
#141
Yes!!! Finally ForGG, probably the best player to never win an SC2 tournament got what he deserves.

If his nerves held him back in the past, his confidence seemed great this tourney. Hope he continues to do well.
Master league EU Terran
Gammkrabb
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden42 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-12 14:04:40
December 12 2014 14:01 GMT
#142
Loved ForGG since the beginning, Even though other ppl got more attention, what ever.

We all have our own heroes Well played. Just the first game vs soO was sick. Every single game was impressive really shows that he have put in the effort and finally found his own playstyle and making it work.

He kinda plays like MMA imo, some flexibility in builds, but he really have his own style in TvT which make him very dangerous. but why i mention MMA is that ForGG are dropping so heavily and effectivly while heavy multitask is going on. He really worked on it.
MMA = Drop heavy while testing ur multitasking and outplaying if possible. in his prime ofc.

but damn soO is just sick, he can never be counted out doesnt matter how fair behind he is. SoO is the best player in the world for sure and by a longshot and have been for a while imo.

I was so psyched being there in person. Been to almost every Dreamhack, atleast those in Sweden. We produce from only about 10million population the most good athletes in the world in so many sports! Wintersports, Soccer, Hockey players, Starcraft, Counter Strike is kind of a Swedish sport xD. etc. Im so proud.

Dreamhack have really had high production value for along time except for some flukes but in general. very proud of this.
Not much in Sweden to be proud on atm with all feminism and anti-swe shit going on : P

WELL PLAYED FORGG WELL DESERVED!

/Terrankrab
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danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
December 12 2014 14:09 GMT
#143
Good job forGG, well played.
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 13 2014 00:43 GMT
#144
On December 12 2014 23:01 Gammkrabb wrote:
Loved ForGG since the beginning, Even though other ppl got more attention, what ever.

We all have our own heroes Well played. Just the first game vs soO was sick. Every single game was impressive really shows that he have put in the effort and finally found his own playstyle and making it work.

He kinda plays like MMA imo, some flexibility in builds, but he really have his own style in TvT which make him very dangerous. but why i mention MMA is that ForGG are dropping so heavily and effectivly while heavy multitask is going on. He really worked on it.
MMA = Drop heavy while testing ur multitasking and outplaying if possible. in his prime ofc.

but damn soO is just sick, he can never be counted out doesnt matter how fair behind he is. SoO is the best player in the world for sure and by a longshot and have been for a while imo.

I was so psyched being there in person. Been to almost every Dreamhack, atleast those in Sweden. We produce from only about 10million population the most good athletes in the world in so many sports! Wintersports, Soccer, Hockey players, Starcraft, Counter Strike is kind of a Swedish sport xD. etc. Im so proud.

Dreamhack have really had high production value for along time except for some flukes but in general. very proud of this.
Not much in Sweden to be proud on atm with all feminism and anti-swe shit going on : P

WELL PLAYED FORGG WELL DESERVED!

/Terrankrab

Did you mix up soO with Life ?
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
icecon
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil62 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-23 10:10:02
December 23 2014 10:08 GMT
#145
I was watching these replays and I was completely shocked Life tapped out of the third game on Catallena. He still had a reasonable chance to win it at the end.

He was in great shape throughout the game and even though ForGG killed a couple of his late expansions, so did Life do the same to him. When Life gg'd he actually had equal mineral lines to work with. Both players had a terrible number of workers (~24) due to not replenishing lost ones throughout the course of the game, although the mules obviously gave the economy edge to ForGG but really both players .

ForGG made a big blunder by not even remotely saturating his third and left 3 workers (edit: whoops somebody already mentioned this) mining it for pretty much the entire second half of the match, and the game ended with a fresh mineral line there. In my humble opinion, Life played significantly better in that particular match and literally would have won the match if he put a spore crawler at his 5th base to deny the banshee harass that ultimately made him leave.

Here's the replay for convenience: http://spawningtool.com/16595/
ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
December 23 2014 10:58 GMT
#146
On December 06 2014 22:39 Mongoose wrote:
Yes!!! Finally ForGG, probably the best player to never win an SC2 tournament got what he deserves.

If his nerves held him back in the past, his confidence seemed great this tourney. Hope he continues to do well.


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