EPTOn December 04 2014 16:58 hero_lief wrote:
Has the deadline passed? I didn't really see one stated.
Has the deadline passed? I didn't really see one stated.
just apply if you are interested
TL is Recruiting!: Help Fill the Void - Page 12
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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pretender58
Germany713 Posts
On December 04 2014 16:58 hero_lief wrote: Has the deadline passed? I didn't really see one stated. For the writer applications the OP said that Applications are open indefinitely. | ||
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
(but I shouldn't be so passive about myself...but...aruhgiehfoefjsefj) Good luck to all the applicants! | ||
FO-nTTaX
Johto4942 Posts
On December 04 2014 17:19 Mahanaim wrote: Really...want to join...but... I know my skill level... (but I shouldn't be so passive about myself...but...aruhgiehfoefjsefj) Good luck to all the applicants! Just try it, maybe others think your writing is better than you think it is. Also If the writers see potential, they might help you growing into a great writer no matter your current state of writing =) | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 06 2014 13:13 The_Templar wrote: I sent my application Good luck. I do plan on writing one but I haven't even started yet (._. ) | ||
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Brindled
United States508 Posts
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Topin
Peru10081 Posts
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InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On December 02 2014 04:52 Canucklehead wrote: I know hot bid didn't write for free, hence why I said now that the shoe is on the other foot he won't write for free. I guess I should have made it more clear that I meant all the writers not named hotbid/waxangel were the unpaid writers I was talking about and hotbid justified their unpaid status every time one of these recruiting posts were made. I'm well aware that TL is a mostly volunteer run site with only a handful of paid employees like Rich, heyoka, that store dude, etc. The issue is he's fine with writers not getting paid as long as that writer isn't himself! I don't have issue with hotbid paying himself for esportsexpress, but he should do it through sponsors/ads or other means than begging all the gaming communities to pay him through kickstarter. I think people who write for free for TL are suckers and it's one of the reasons why esports journalism/writing is so devalued because everyone expects people to write for free for status/experience that there are very few paid writing positions in esports. I wrote for free for 5+ years and did many projects for free, and it was a great experience and it was very rewarding. I didn't ask or get angry at TL, I didn't complain and I only asked for money when we went fulltime after literally many years of writing for free. If I didn't do TL work fulltime (none of my fulltime TL responsibilities included writing) then I'd still be writing for free. It's because I liked writing, and liked having an audience, not once did I think TL was taking advantage of me, because it's a choice I made to spend time on a hobby I enjoyed. So I don't see how it's hypocritical like you seem to think, because its clear in a company hierarchy that volunteer writers that just joined are not gonna get paid while people who work for free for many years eventually will. It's not strange and you're making it out to be some sort of injustice. And honestly, if your suggestion is "pay writers a nominal fee" is just kinda useless. Paying someone a really amount that doesn't really give them anything won't make a difference in quality of content or work ethic, because most of the drive behind writers is self-motivation not some crappy $5 per article that doesn't change anyone's life anyway. I challenge you to try to find a site, especially one for Starcraft, that pays proper rates and doesn't ask for volunteers. If TL could, it would, and while it does what it can for staff, it can't pay them what you think they should get. The issue is he's fine with writers not getting paid as long as that writer isn't himself! I don't have issue with hotbid paying himself for esportsexpress, but he should do it through sponsors/ads or other means than begging all the gaming communities to pay him through kickstarter. I think it's interesting you're "pro-KS" yet call it begging again. Kickstarter is pay X for Y. It's a slightly more intricate form of buying rather than just a charity. You're purchasing a larger goal and you get rewards. It is not something where you give X and don't get anything back. Frankly, I'd love for all writers to get paid. The reality simply is that most sites, especially esports ones, can't afford it. If you notice, all the paid employees of TL worked a long time as volunteers. Rich, Heyoka, Disciple, myself, etc all worked for years for free. If you're asking me if I think volunteers that go above and beyond and work for years and are basically part/fulltime employees should get paid, yeah, of course they should. And they have. So again I don't see how its inconsistent to want a new business to pay its upper level employees, because ESEX is different than TL in the sense that its core business is simply writing. The head editors and writers of ESEX are that, similar to how the head programmer, store guy, editor, etc are that for TL. If you take issue with the method of fundraising, well then you're just kind of inconsistent with how you reason things out since your argument against KS is kind of illogical. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On December 08 2014 05:52 InsidiA wrote: Never got a response, should I have by now? On December 04 2014 13:10 lichter wrote: We've only just started discussing it, don't worry. Of course, I didn't see this post originally, and I sent my application to plexa@teamliquid.net (like it says in the OP). Is this fine, or should I re-send it to recruitment@teamliquid.net? | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 08 2014 06:58 The_Templar wrote: Of course, I didn't see this post originally, and I sent my application to plexa@teamliquid.net (like it says in the OP). Is this fine, or should I re-send it to recruitment@teamliquid.net? I think Zealously@teamliquid.net lichter@teamliquid.net Olli@teamliquid.net is easier. That way we'll all have access to your application and you can be sure all of us will at least read it. I'm actually not sure who currently has access to the recruitment@teamliquid.net e-mail TT | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On December 02 2014 07:10 Canucklehead wrote: No, I'm actually pro kickstarter because people have a choice to donate there. I never tell people where to donate their money to and think it's in bad taste to tell them to. Like during the ALS ice bucket challenge when critics were like donate to starving african children instead! People are free to pick the charities they donate to. It is 100% a choice for writers to volunteer. It's the same for TL, if someone wants to support TL they can purchase TL gear, they can volunteer time, they can disable adblock, etc. In fact I'd argue that volunteering time to write articles is far more valuable to TL than just giving the site some money. I do not see how the actual process of giving money to a KS is any different really, you're giving X to get Y back. Y in this case is helping a community you're a part of and any satisfaction you get from the actual writing and having people read your stuff. I really liked that part when I was a writer. You make a distinction between for-profit and non-profit, but first, not all projects on KS are non profit, the majority are for profit things. Second, nothing is black and white like this. TL might be a business that tries to make money and pay its employees, but do you really think it's a company solely out to generate profits? A lot of the decision making for TL is made with the community in mind and not necessarily about money. Yes, sometimes these interests align and are mutually beneficial. Additionally, if you think nonprofits are so great you really should look up the causes people are supporting, because those charities make boatloads of money and spend so much on marketing and executive salaries -- oftentimes only a small % of the money actually gets to where it needs to go. If you think its bad taste to tell people where to donate their money, then you'll understand why you're getting argued against so hard here, you're basically telling people where to volunteer their time. If they enjoy something and want to do something and fully understand the circumstances around it, why do you need to keep coming in and arguing? It's exactly what you find distasteful -- telling people where to spend their time/money. | ||
Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
On December 08 2014 07:10 Zealously wrote: I think Zealously@teamliquid.net lichter@teamliquid.net Olli@teamliquid.net is easier. That way we'll all have access to your application and you can be sure all of us will at least read it. I'm actually not sure who currently has access to the recruitment@teamliquid.net e-mail TT If it's for writers, send it to either of the ones Zealously provided above. If it's for strat, send the application to recruitment@teamliquid.net, I have access for this one | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On December 08 2014 07:56 ZeromuS wrote: As an addendum for TL strategy, if you are lower level sc2 player and still want to contribute, we would love to have you if you are okay with doing replay and VOD support for us :D Can we just be a guinea pig to strats or a punching bag? I'm really good at those | ||
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Brindled
United States508 Posts
On December 08 2014 07:10 Zealously wrote: I think Zealously@teamliquid.net lichter@teamliquid.net Olli@teamliquid.net is easier. That way we'll all have access to your application and you can be sure all of us will at least read it. I'm actually not sure who currently has access to the recruitment@teamliquid.net e-mail TT Thank you. I forwarded my app to all three. | ||
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Topin
Peru10081 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
he might have something vaguely resembling a point if this were anything but an extreme niche website. like, if teamliquid were actually a site about journalism in general and they were snaking around trying to get free content from people desperate to gain experience, yeah, maybe there's something to be discussed there. but this is starcraft 2/esports. the people who are into this are INTO it, and they also know they're a minority, so yeah of course they're going to be willing to volunteer. there aren't a billion people waiting in line out there to write articles about jaedong if they're fairly compensated; this community provides for itself what it can because no one else is going to | ||
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Shtanjel
Slovenia49 Posts
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