• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:19
CEST 01:19
KST 08:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters9[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism8Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?124Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism SC4ALL: II Winner will earn a spot at HSC 30! SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 7/8 Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) 2026 GSTL Announcement Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
[D] Brainstorming a balance patch for Brood war Practice Partners (Official) BW General Discussion Terran or Protoss Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group A [ASL22] Ro16 Group B KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 BWCL Season 65 Announcement
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Diablo IV [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7910 users

Legacy of the Void Announced - Page 40

Forum Index > SC2 General
2977 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 38 39 40 41 42 149 Next
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-07 23:30:19
November 07 2014 23:19 GMT
#781
Marines/Tanks should come back as the standard for TvZ with possibilities for the Terran to lose his few Medivacs without it being game-ending!


Even though, it's not everybody's preference, I think it's hard to deny that 4M vs Muta/bling definitely has its charm. The issue with the style though is that it completley replaced another cool style, Marine/Tank. But with the introduction of the Lurker, we could actually see both styles in the game.
Imagine if terran could go Marine/Tank/Raven vs Lurker heavy play (Siege tanks can outrange Lurkers thus they are better than mines vs them). This would add a lot more diversity to the matchup and add some new micro interaction.

The redesign of the Raven should then be focussed on making this interaction fun. So if PPD is removed it should be replaced with a new ability that has better utiltiy vs Lurker/Ling/Muta. And if zerg transitions from Lurker into more bling focussed play, Ravens shouldn't be totally useless either.

Lurkers are back- I am curious why the Lurker is suddenly viable, when they've been so adamant that it does NOT work. I feel like the spines are quite slow compared to their BW counterpart, but that'll be a balance issue. I still hate the unit design on the unit. I'm curious how it'll work out for sure.


Well Lurker wouldn't be viable if they just copypasted its BW stats, but that was obviously just a lazy excuse from Blizzard. Here it looks like they upped its range and reduced projectile speed to add somewhat more practical countermicro.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
November 07 2014 23:20 GMT
#782
On November 08 2014 08:13 KeksX wrote:
I've read this sooooo many times now. Do you know the sheer engineering power Valve has compared to other developers? Valve has a shitton of money they can invest into engineering and actually developing; thats their strength.

Blizzard is not quite there yet - it's actually gotten better for them but they do not have something like Steam backing them up. If valve screws up a feature, they still got that. If Blizzard screws up it hits them a lot harder.


Blizzard makes over $100 million per month on WoW alone. They've got plenty of income to spend if they choose to.
STX Fighting!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 07 2014 23:21 GMT
#783
I think the most disappointing thing about LotV so far is the lack of LAN!
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 07 2014 23:21 GMT
#784
I'm very happy with the economy change. Quite frankly, something needed to happen to make SCII not a 3 mining base endgame, and I guess that'll do it.

Not sure on the units, but since I haven't played with them I'll hold my opinion back.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
November 07 2014 23:21 GMT
#785
A lot of these changes seem desperate or solutions in search of a problem, 12 starting works? Seems like a good way to undo the effort in fixing the economy side of the game by basically removing the early game.

The lurker seems almost emblematic of the problem, some people are going to love it, but it's not going to be good for the game, just pandering. Space control doesn't exist in a game with so little high ground advantage and the lurker is just downright goofy for spectators outside of small skirmishes.

I hope it grows on me but I'm not really that chuffed about the expansion at the moment.
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
November 07 2014 23:21 GMT
#786
I really, REALLY hope they don't cave in to whiners and remove half the changes like they did in HotS.

These changes sound fun. Starcraft 2 right now is NOT FUN. Don't ruin fun just to maintain the current balance. I will buy this game is they really keep these changes and actually shake up the game. Screw people that don't want change!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | ┻━┻ ︵╰(°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
November 07 2014 23:22 GMT
#787
I don't like many of these changes.
Boxer | MVP | Taeja | TLO | Grubby | Bunny (danish)
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 07 2014 23:22 GMT
#788
i'm gonna wait for beta before i act like i actually know what's going to happen -_-
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
November 07 2014 23:23 GMT
#789
On November 08 2014 08:20 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 08:13 KeksX wrote:
I've read this sooooo many times now. Do you know the sheer engineering power Valve has compared to other developers? Valve has a shitton of money they can invest into engineering and actually developing; thats their strength.

Blizzard is not quite there yet - it's actually gotten better for them but they do not have something like Steam backing them up. If valve screws up a feature, they still got that. If Blizzard screws up it hits them a lot harder.


Blizzard makes over $100 million per month on WoW alone. They've got plenty of income to spend if they choose to.


You cannot generalize it like that. It's not like they just pocket that money and have it on their bank account...
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
November 07 2014 23:23 GMT
#790
On November 08 2014 08:22 lichter wrote:
i'm gonna wait for beta before i act like i actually know what's going to happen -_-

Wait, you can acquire a copy in KeSPA jail?
ppp
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 07 2014 23:24 GMT
#791
On November 08 2014 08:22 lichter wrote:
i'm gonna wait for beta before i act like i actually know what's going to happen -_-

Why not just bite the bullet and put that as a mod note on the thread. You are going to need to at some point.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
November 07 2014 23:24 GMT
#792
On November 08 2014 07:39 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 07:34 starslayer wrote:
hmmmm as a terran player im ?unimpressed? not sure what word to use really not compared to the other races with the luker and oracle mines, terrans units are very idk boring lame idk not sure how i feel obv its still like alpha and things will change but not a fan so far of terran the rest Omg cant wait.


You think Oracle traps are fun? You place a mine and hope that the enemy will run into it so they get delayed by a coulpe of seconds?

Seems like the most boring concept to me, and I am quite convinced that this will not stay at release. Terran honestly didn't need as much as the other races. They should however have given mech-harass (besides banshee) some more love vs zerg/toss in the mid/late game and the Raven should have been redesigned.

The new bio unit looks pretty cool while the new mech unit is pretty boring.

Zerg definitely got the most aweosme stuff. Of what I am most impressed with so far is the new Roach. I have actually spent a lot of time thinking of sound counterbased solutions to the forcefield, but Blizzard has managed to give the new Roach latergame utility, micropotenital and a counter to forcefields at the same time. This is the best solution I have seen yet.


I feel like the traps could be very fun if it lasted a bit longer. Imagine getting half their army stasised in a battle. Maybe some damage effect would be cool too.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
November 07 2014 23:25 GMT
#793
On November 08 2014 08:23 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 08:20 vesicular wrote:
On November 08 2014 08:13 KeksX wrote:
I've read this sooooo many times now. Do you know the sheer engineering power Valve has compared to other developers? Valve has a shitton of money they can invest into engineering and actually developing; thats their strength.

Blizzard is not quite there yet - it's actually gotten better for them but they do not have something like Steam backing them up. If valve screws up a feature, they still got that. If Blizzard screws up it hits them a lot harder.


Blizzard makes over $100 million per month on WoW alone. They've got plenty of income to spend if they choose to.


You cannot generalize it like that. It's not like they just pocket that money and have it on their bank account...


And you could say the same about Steam. It goes both ways. Fact is they have a very large, Billion dollar per year revenue stream. That's not something to dismiss lightly.
STX Fighting!
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
November 07 2014 23:25 GMT
#794
Well, Blizzard is certainly trying hard. There are lots and lots of changes, the biggest one being a completely revamped economy that turns the whole game upside down. Skipping the first two minutes and requiring more expansions makes the game more dynamic, but i think the change is too extreme.
Regarding the new and changed units, the only one I really like is the Lurker, while everything else is somewhere between lame and ok. Sadly, they didn't have the balls to remove any units. They keep talking about opportunities for creativity and exciting micro, but keep units like the Colossus, Corruptor, Swarm Host and Thor in the game.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
November 07 2014 23:26 GMT
#795
On November 08 2014 08:25 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 08:23 KeksX wrote:
On November 08 2014 08:20 vesicular wrote:
On November 08 2014 08:13 KeksX wrote:
I've read this sooooo many times now. Do you know the sheer engineering power Valve has compared to other developers? Valve has a shitton of money they can invest into engineering and actually developing; thats their strength.

Blizzard is not quite there yet - it's actually gotten better for them but they do not have something like Steam backing them up. If valve screws up a feature, they still got that. If Blizzard screws up it hits them a lot harder.


Blizzard makes over $100 million per month on WoW alone. They've got plenty of income to spend if they choose to.


You cannot generalize it like that. It's not like they just pocket that money and have it on their bank account...


And you could say the same about Steam. It goes both ways. Fact is they have a very large, Billion dollar per year revenue stream. That's not something to dismiss lightly.


With steam we aren't talking about just $100 million though, and actually steam is different in many ways. For many titles, it generates money off of almost no service provided other than providing servers and the infrastructure they already have anyways. Theyget up to 40% off a sale, thats pretty damn huge.
Hezzina
Profile Joined July 2011
United States48 Posts
November 07 2014 23:26 GMT
#796
Have we gotten any more info on the roach morph on how to get it? Is it a lair upgrade or something or an actual morph cost.
I think it's because you are trying to swarm a swarm with a swarm.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 07 2014 23:27 GMT
#797
On November 08 2014 08:23 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 08:20 vesicular wrote:
On November 08 2014 08:13 KeksX wrote:
I've read this sooooo many times now. Do you know the sheer engineering power Valve has compared to other developers? Valve has a shitton of money they can invest into engineering and actually developing; thats their strength.

Blizzard is not quite there yet - it's actually gotten better for them but they do not have something like Steam backing them up. If valve screws up a feature, they still got that. If Blizzard screws up it hits them a lot harder.


Blizzard makes over $100 million per month on WoW alone. They've got plenty of income to spend if they choose to.


You cannot generalize it like that. It's not like they just pocket that money and have it on their bank account...


Blizzard's WoW property is unmatched in the industry. It's a cash cow for them.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
November 07 2014 23:27 GMT
#798
Banshee speed- again, who knows. I don't care for the slippy feel of most SC2 units, compared to the precise movement of wraiths so this doesn't really change my opinion.


So I think the commentator in the video was a bit misinformed when he talked about micro. But this change actually has nothing to do with adding more responsiveness/moving shot to the Banshee. The intention here is to give them lategame utility instead of making overseer/muta hardcounter them.
Zazzles
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Slovakia153 Posts
November 07 2014 23:28 GMT
#799
i just jizzed
"Fortune favors the bold"
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
November 07 2014 23:28 GMT
#800
I've never been more pessimistic and/or less hyped in SC 2 before. The NA ladder is ruined, just like I hear it was in BW, due to hacking. No one ever talks about solutions, though. Toss gets 1 new unit, and with as much trouble as they have had trying to balance the widow mine, maybe a mine type of unit isn't the way to go... Invincible nydus worm in the early game sounds like the worst idea I've ever heard. Are they removing transfuse or something?

When you think about how much stuff usually ends up having to be removed, due to being bad in practice, what am I supposed to expect to see remain? There's not much to begin with... Photon overcharge doesn't help versus oraces, mutas or phoenix?

The only good news, personally, is without free to play, I feel like it wouldn't even matter if the changes were good. I'm optimistic about it all being moot... I never thought I'd see a day where deciding to sign up for beta would be such a dilemma, with no reason to not expect to get in. The only good news is others seem happy. I just hope you're not all delusional.


Prev 1 38 39 40 41 42 149 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
22:30
Masters Cup #151
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 80
CosmosSc2 42
Temp0 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 10124
Mong 40
Counter-Strike
fl0m1342
Fnx 72
minikerr26
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0319
PPMD50
Other Games
summit1g8858
shahzam488
XaKoH 145
NeuroSwarm97
ViBE42
JuggernautJason36
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH338
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21763
Other Games
• Scarra1193
• imaqtpie919
Upcoming Events
Escore
10h 41m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
11h 41m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 10h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 11h
Cure vs Zoun
SHIN vs Classic
ByuN vs MaxPax
Percival vs YoungYakov
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
2 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
RSL Revival
2 days
Serral vs Rogue
BlizzCon
2 days
IdrA vs MC
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
GSL
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-08
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.