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ETisME
12522 Posts
On November 11 2014 13:51 GenesisX wrote: Sorry but isn't it the complete opposite? 12 worker start => rushes and opponent's units come out faster, while overlord is still lagging behind at the base It also implies the natural will be done sooner etc I think we will have to sit and see how it goes. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5449 Posts
On November 11 2014 14:34 Seed wrote: RIProtoss 힘내세요~ | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On November 11 2014 13:20 mishimaBeef wrote: "the early game dead time is an important part of Starcraft" How so? Mind games? It lets casters talk about Pokemon!! | ||
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KOtical
Germany451 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
I might not hear Tastosis talking about bad movies and stupid things ever again.  | ||
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Tzyx
Northern Ireland281 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On November 11 2014 19:33 Tzyx wrote: ach the overlord delay on that first scout looks pretty horrible. guess we'll just have to use a drone now, for the initial look around. which is fair enough i guess. I also don't see what is the big problem with this, some of the pros use Drone scout already and I guess this will just become new standard. | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
tnx | ||
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Meerel
Germany713 Posts
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
On November 11 2014 15:04 ETisME wrote: It also implies the natural will be done sooner etc I think we will have to sit and see how it goes. Your natural will not be done sooer relative to your oponents state. Your Overlord is just going to be late. In hots on some 2p maps the OL will be around his natural by the time his marine comes out. In lotv he will be in the middle of the map(a little bit further on the opponents side) meaning he wont reach the natural safely. Ofcourse this depends alot on the maps and the opener people choose. So yes we will have to see. We just wont see with our overlords. | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 11 2014 19:35 Ramiz1989 wrote: I also don't see what is the big problem with this, some of the pros use Drone scout already and I guess this will just become new standard. Yup. The 12worker is amazing because it allows you to send a drone out immidiatly wihout big economic drawback. Proxy barracks will now have to rely on the opponent not scouting at all. Also the random part of 3-5spawn maps gets decreased if you can scout from the get go but people still have to open with depot/pylon. Early pooling is weaker because 12pool still only produces 6zerglings but the opponent now has many more workers to fight them. It's an amazing change and headstarts the game out of the phase where playing blind is on average better than playing strategically well. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On November 11 2014 19:45 29 fps wrote: after watching the showmatches: cyclones are imba. much more imba than warhounds Which is, again, not the point. They weren't trying to show a balanced game at all, they were trying to show new units. The more interesting question is: Can the Cyclone design improve the game or is it just overall bad design and can never be done right? Thats what you should try to answer. Saying "it's imba" doesn't do anything. | ||
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
On November 11 2014 19:45 29 fps wrote: after watching the showmatches: cyclones are imba. much more imba than warhounds The WH was an a-move unit. They cyclone is not. The core is the design, the stats can be adjusted. U don't have to worry about anything regarding the cyclone's stats. | ||
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ETisME
12522 Posts
On November 11 2014 19:41 Garbels wrote: Your natural will not be done sooer relative to your oponents state. Your Overlord is just going to be late. In hots on some 2p maps the OL will be around his natural by the time his marine comes out. In lotv he will be in the middle of the map(a little bit further on the opponents side) meaning he wont reach the natural safely. Ofcourse this depends alot on the maps and the opener people choose. So yes we will have to see. We just wont see with our overlords. Of cause, but having the base sooner means you can prepare reactively easier as well. I know what you are saying though, but a change like this big may just reset the meta and define a new "standard" opening | ||
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Tzyx
Northern Ireland281 Posts
On November 11 2014 19:35 Ramiz1989 wrote: I also don't see what is the big problem with this, some of the pros use Drone scout already and I guess this will just become new standard. I guess i always found my first overlord the most useful for scouting. Without that I guess he'll just hang out at the base, pretending to be a supply depot with all the other brains :D | ||
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
On November 11 2014 07:10 Hider wrote: Seems like a straight up nerf vs toss. I guess this is why Collosus also was nerfed probably. But not sure I like this, since I always felt that the real issue with toss in the midgame lied with protoss and not terran. Toss is weaker than both terran and zerg, and therefore I would have preferred that terran bio and zerg was maintained in army strenght, but toss was "buffed". How was Collosus changed ? | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
The range was reduced from 9 to 8 iirc | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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