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On September 20 2014 05:38 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 22:05 5c0rp10n wrote:
State didnt deliver. Sorry for him! I hope he finds a new team/training house. Thats more than a bit harsh. On average it takes 2 years for Korean training to result in a break through. The fact state is still willing to continue training is an excellent sign!
But he was not even delivering outside of Korea.. he did not do nothing practically. Americans who do not practice in Korea are achieving way more than he does.
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On September 19 2014 23:49 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 23:33 padiseal2 wrote:On September 19 2014 22:17 Crot4le wrote:On September 19 2014 21:29 Aeromi wrote:
Would love to see State on Axiom. TB said time and time again that Axiom house can't support any more players  especially with TRUE living there now Ah yeah, I forgot that TRUE is staying there now. I thought there was still a vacant spot left by INno leaving to stay with his parents.
Nope, Olivia took his spot.
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Northern Ireland27479 Posts
On September 20 2014 07:48 Kimb3r wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 05:38 Plexa wrote:On September 19 2014 22:05 5c0rp10n wrote:
State didnt deliver. Sorry for him! I hope he finds a new team/training house. Thats more than a bit harsh. On average it takes 2 years for Korean training to result in a break through. The fact state is still willing to continue training is an excellent sign! But he was not even delivering outside of Korea.. he did not do nothing practically. Americans who do not practice in Korea are achieving way more than he does.
Perhaps, I can't really recall State even being in that many qualifiers but I might be wrong.
I wish foreigners wouldn't have to grind it alone in Korea like this. Major had the same issues IMO, it's no doubt hard to discuss the game with your housemates with the language gap.
Not that no communication occurs, but I'd imagine improvement would be a lot quicker if it wasn't such a huge culture shock.
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On September 20 2014 08:55 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 07:48 Kimb3r wrote:On September 20 2014 05:38 Plexa wrote:On September 19 2014 22:05 5c0rp10n wrote:
State didnt deliver. Sorry for him! I hope he finds a new team/training house. Thats more than a bit harsh. On average it takes 2 years for Korean training to result in a break through. The fact state is still willing to continue training is an excellent sign! But he was not even delivering outside of Korea.. he did not do nothing practically. Americans who do not practice in Korea are achieving way more than he does. Perhaps, I can't really recall State even being in that many qualifiers but I might be wrong. I wish foreigners wouldn't have to grind it alone in Korea like this. Major had the same issues IMO, it's no doubt hard to discuss the game with your housemates with the language gap. Not that no communication occurs, but I'd imagine improvement would be a lot quicker if it wasn't such a huge culture shock.
State is actually pretty fluent in Korean now. If you watch his stream (hes been streaming a bit more recently) he chats in-game with quite a few players and types pretty quick from what I can tell, since I obviously don't have a clue what he is actually saying.
I think that is one of the main reasons he wants to stay, he really seems to enjoy it there and has taken to the culture more than most foreigners, although only he could say that for sure.
Also last I saw he was around rank 100 GM so he seems to be doing somewhat OK skill-wise, but again it can be hard to know exactly how ladder results translate to actual tournament success. We don't get to see as much of him so again the only people who truly know his skill level are state and the Koreans he plays on ladder or in customs.
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United States14003 Posts
On September 19 2014 23:04 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 23:01 Lorning wrote:On September 19 2014 22:56 Noonius wrote:On September 19 2014 22:47 Ovid wrote:On September 19 2014 22:46 Lorning wrote:On September 19 2014 22:42 shid0x wrote:
Prime's rooster is really shitty.
Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ? They're picking up players soon Innovation prime? Inno is too good for Prime Was too good for acer too Prime > Acer anyway
That's legit retarded, Scarlett allkill prime all day everyday
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Probably for the best, I have matched him several times on the korean ladder and while there are things he does well, I personally have not noticed any dramatic improvements since playing him when he was NA.
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United States97277 Posts
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never heard of this guy but glhf
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With regions locking, how is not getting deported? He is european (murikan, canadian, etc) is he not?
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This kid has been chasing the dream for far too long. Time to give up and get a real grownup job.
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On September 20 2014 21:57 aeligos wrote:
With regions locking, how is not getting deported? He is european (murikan, canadian, etc) is he not?
Why would someone get deported lol, he's going to stay in Korea until the qualifiers for WCS AM take place next season and move back to America
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On September 20 2014 02:39 Prevail wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 00:22 LeLfe wrote:On September 19 2014 23:52 Prevail wrote:
State was not playing up to par for Prime. He failed to make GSL Code A a few times, not even making it to a top 4 in the qualifiers for Code A. I don't know if this whole living in Korea thing has paid off for him yet. If State wants to a make a deep run in WCS America 2015, he will need another team who is willing to help him better because Prime didn't seem to do much for his skill. In my opinion, I think State should come back to US, join a team like EG or Root, and qualify for AM challenger, his chances would be way better than trying to qualify for GSL. His time in Korea has not shown any results on paper, he hasn't had a top placement in any tournament (DH, MLG, GSL, WCS, etc.). However, State is very young, and I believe he is a talented player, but he needs something more than just "Korea" to help his game. EVERY Prime players failed... (except for chOya once) You are wrong LeLfe. Quite a few players from Prime went on to have extraordinary success. Take MarineKing.Prime, back in the days of WoL, he was a consistant Code S player, even placing 2nd in 2011 by losing only to the "King of Wings" Mvp. Not to mention he won an MLG arena, a tournament in which all players at the time were Code S, except for Huk, he was the only foreigner. Creator.Prime is another example. He place 2nd in the in the first ever WCS global finals which took place in China. He lost to Parting, who is a ridiculous protoss player. Creator ended up winning $40,000 for his efforts, Parting took home the first $100,000 ever given away in SC2. Maybe Prime is not the greatest team now of days, but there players are still certainly Code A material with Myungsik still in Code S and Code A consistently. It's obvious State wasn't getting the help he needed over the past 6 months. He couldn't even make it in the GSL Code A qualifiers. This goes to show that it is not the players who are "fail", but perhaps the coaching and staff that needs improvement. It appears that Prime lacks practice as team, and it seems more like "every man for himself". The players probably don't practice together alot, share ideas and/or strategies, it would explain why Prime did so poorly in Proleague this year.
don't forget Maru, He was on Prime before he moved to Jin air.
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On September 20 2014 09:27 Spiller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 08:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 20 2014 07:48 Kimb3r wrote:On September 20 2014 05:38 Plexa wrote:On September 19 2014 22:05 5c0rp10n wrote:
State didnt deliver. Sorry for him! I hope he finds a new team/training house. Thats more than a bit harsh. On average it takes 2 years for Korean training to result in a break through. The fact state is still willing to continue training is an excellent sign! But he was not even delivering outside of Korea.. he did not do nothing practically. Americans who do not practice in Korea are achieving way more than he does. Perhaps, I can't really recall State even being in that many qualifiers but I might be wrong. I wish foreigners wouldn't have to grind it alone in Korea like this. Major had the same issues IMO, it's no doubt hard to discuss the game with your housemates with the language gap. Not that no communication occurs, but I'd imagine improvement would be a lot quicker if it wasn't such a huge culture shock. State is actually pretty fluent in Korean now. If you watch his stream (hes been streaming a bit more recently) he chats in-game with quite a few players and types pretty quick from what I can tell, since I obviously don't have a clue what he is actually saying. I think that is one of the main reasons he wants to stay, he really seems to enjoy it there and has taken to the culture more than most foreigners, although only he could say that for sure. Also last I saw he was around rank 100 GM so he seems to be doing somewhat OK skill-wise, but again it can be hard to know exactly how ladder results translate to actual tournament success. We don't get to see as much of him so again the only people who truly know his skill level are state and the Koreans he plays on ladder or in customs.
I didn't see his stream recently but before his Korean wasn't that good . It was all really basic stuff (I understand a little Korean myself).
Best of luck to him though!
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On September 20 2014 07:48 Kimb3r wrote:
But he was not even delivering outside of Korea.. he did not do nothing practically. Americans who do not practice in Korea are achieving way more than he does.
State has spent most of his time practicing rather than participating in tournaments, not flying around.
Results for   State after 2014-03-06. ( After he joined PRIME) Games: 35.48% (11-20) Matches: 38.46% (5-8) Filters: Opponent Race: all
Opponent Country: South Koreans
Match Format: all
On/offline: both
Game Version: Heart of the Swarm
Stats by Aligulac. Link.
Results for State after 2014-03-06. ( After he joined PRIME) Games: 62.20% (51-31) Matches: 64.71% (22-12) Filters: Opponent Race: all
Opponent Country: Foreigners
Match Format: all
On/offline: both
Game Version: Heart of the Swarm
Stats by Aligulac. Link.
For comparison see puck's alguiac page.
Virtually all tournaments have Koreans picking off foreigners now without discrimination...
It's pretty lame to imply that other American players are somehow performing drastically better.
He's stated time and time again that he wants to improve his skills. That's a long term goal... and you're judging him on the immediate ones.
IMO this thread has too many people bitching over an issue that's entirely State's.
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United States17042 Posts
go ryan ^^
seriously though, he's been one of the foreigners in korea for the longest time - the fact that he still wants to stay there and train sounds like a great thing. I'm hoping that he has other opportunities lined up; otherwise, he's always been right at the grubby line in terms of tournament hopes, expectations, and placements.
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Best of luck State 
So I'm guessing he's negotiating with foreign teams if he will participate in WCS AM next year?
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