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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On September 19 2014 21:29 Aeromi wrote: https://twitter.com/StateSC2/status/512941428268208129 https://twitter.com/StateSC2/status/512941562121039873 Best of luck | ||
myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
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Motlu
Australia884 Posts
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Lorning
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Belgica34432 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
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Belgica34432 Posts
On September 19 2014 21:35 AWalker9 wrote: Prime really needs to recurit more guys at the TL user Liliputin asked Marou (Prime community manager) about new players: There are many players doing tryouts for Prime these days, there will be several new players announced before the beginning of the PL season. KassiA will stay. We are looking at more experienced players rather than rookies, but even them have to do some tryouts | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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KatatoniK
United Kingdom978 Posts
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Liliputin
Czech Republic458 Posts
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
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SkySC2
Germany303 Posts
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
RIP Prime | ||
Nirel
Israel1526 Posts
On September 19 2014 21:48 SuperHofmann wrote: SKT1.State Incoming! RIP Prime They do need someone to replace PartinG and Rain, seems reasonable enough. | ||
Lorning
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Belgica34432 Posts
On September 19 2014 21:48 SuperHofmann wrote: SKT1.State Incoming! RIP Prime We're not dead | ||
5c0rp10n
Germany342 Posts
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
Would love to see State on Axiom. | ||
Motlu
Australia884 Posts
On September 19 2014 21:57 Lorning wrote: We're not dead How would you know if you were dead? ![]() | ||
BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On September 19 2014 21:30 myRZeth wrote: so he wants to go to taiwan? There aren't a whole lot of protosses here. Just has and the Korean players on Spider. | ||
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Rocket-Bear
3070 Posts
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On September 19 2014 22:32 Rocket-Bear wrote: San lives in Taiwan, doesn't he? Except when he's abroad for WCS / other tournaments, right? I haven't seen him here. He should be in Europe for WCS EU. | ||
di4m0nd
United States297 Posts
well best of luck to you hopefully you will find a new team rather quickly. maybe ST if they are going to compete in proleague | ||
Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
edit even more so now he has myunsik to learn from also. | ||
Superbanana
2369 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ? | ||
Lorning
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Belgica34432 Posts
On September 19 2014 22:42 shid0x wrote: Prime's rooster is really shitty. Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ? They're picking up players soon | ||
Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
Hopefully State will find another team to practice with | ||
Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On September 19 2014 22:46 Lorning wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2014 22:42 shid0x wrote: Prime's rooster is really shitty. Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ? They're picking up players soon Innovation prime? | ||
Liliputin
Czech Republic458 Posts
On September 19 2014 22:42 shid0x wrote: Prime's rooster is really shitty. Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ? Funnily enough there are PL teams that have even worst roster than what Prime now has, furthermore they are still picking up new players... I can assure you ST or MVP are not looking for something like 3 decent players ![]() | ||
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 19 2014 22:47 Ovid wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2014 22:46 Lorning wrote: On September 19 2014 22:42 shid0x wrote: Prime's rooster is really shitty. Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ? They're picking up players soon Innovation prime? Inno is too good for Prime | ||
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Belgica34432 Posts
On September 19 2014 22:56 Noonius wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2014 22:47 Ovid wrote: On September 19 2014 22:46 Lorning wrote: On September 19 2014 22:42 shid0x wrote: Prime's rooster is really shitty. Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ? They're picking up players soon Innovation prime? Inno is too good for Prime Was too good for acer too | ||
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Charlie Sheens House51453 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 19 2014 23:01 Lorning wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2014 22:56 Noonius wrote: On September 19 2014 22:47 Ovid wrote: On September 19 2014 22:46 Lorning wrote: On September 19 2014 22:42 shid0x wrote: Prime's rooster is really shitty. Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ? They're picking up players soon Innovation prime? Inno is too good for Prime Was too good for acer too Prime > Acer anyway | ||
Topin
Peru10041 Posts
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On September 19 2014 23:04 Noonius wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2014 23:01 Lorning wrote: On September 19 2014 22:56 Noonius wrote: On September 19 2014 22:47 Ovid wrote: On September 19 2014 22:46 Lorning wrote: On September 19 2014 22:42 shid0x wrote: Prime's rooster is really shitty. Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ? They're picking up players soon Innovation prime? Inno is too good for Prime Was too good for acer too Prime > Acer anyway TerrOr 0-6 in Proleague stats wise worst player in proleague potentially of all time. Prime are great and I hope TerrOr finds confidence but still. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
[QUOTE]On September 19 2014 23:04 Noonius wrote: [QUOTE]On September 19 2014 23:01 Lorning wrote: [QUOTE]On September 19 2014 22:56 Noonius wrote: [QUOTE]On September 19 2014 22:47 Ovid wrote: [QUOTE]On September 19 2014 22:46 Lorning wrote: [QUOTE]On September 19 2014 22:42 shid0x wrote: Prime's rooster is really shitty. Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ?[/QUOTE] They're picking up players soon[/QUOTE] Innovation prime?[/QUOTE] Inno is too good for Prime[/QUOTE] Was too good for acer too[/QUOTE] Prime > Acer anyway [/QUOTE] - 7 out of 13 players in Prime had a 0% winrate in proleague. DeParture, who surpasses even TerrOr, was able to get an impressive 0-7 proleague result. - 100% of Prime's players had less than a 50% winrate in proleague. | ||
MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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padiseal2
Austria721 Posts
TB said time and time again that Axiom house can't support any more players ![]() | ||
Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On September 19 2014 23:33 padiseal2 wrote: TB said time and time again that Axiom house can't support any more players ![]() Ah yeah, I forgot that TRUE is staying there now. I thought there was still a vacant spot left by INno leaving to stay with his parents. | ||
Prevail
United States7 Posts
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
Too bad though - if PL was bo7 instead of bo5 I think he'd have a much better chance on that 4th place in Prime IMO.. But - that's that - PL was bo5, partially due to lack of players per teams on average, and partially cause of schedule - cause it was 2 matches per PL day most of the time I'm however surprised on his persistency though - that's something Scarlett had quite some time ago - wanting to play & stay in Korea - that's where the "player gets built" I guess, so - GL HF State, haven't seen much of you, but hopefully we get to see you on the Big Screens someday, and hopefully State's dreams - even temporarily - come true ![]() EDIT: Rofl TL, such sweet attention, thanks :D | ||
LeLfe
France3160 Posts
On September 19 2014 23:52 Prevail wrote: State was not playing up to par for Prime. He failed to make GSL Code A a few times, not even making it to a top 4 in the qualifiers for Code A. I don't know if this whole living in Korea thing has paid off for him yet. If State wants to a make a deep run in WCS America 2015, he will need another team who is willing to help him better because Prime didn't seem to do much for his skill. In my opinion, I think State should come back to US, join a team like EG or Root, and qualify for AM challenger, his chances would be way better than trying to qualify for GSL. His time in Korea has not shown any results on paper, he hasn't had a top placement in any tournament (DH, MLG, GSL, WCS, etc.). However, State is very young, and I believe he is a talented player, but he needs something more than just "Korea" to help his game. EVERY Prime players failed... (except for chOya once) | ||
Liliputin
Czech Republic458 Posts
On September 20 2014 00:22 LeLfe wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2014 23:52 Prevail wrote: State was not playing up to par for Prime. He failed to make GSL Code A a few times, not even making it to a top 4 in the qualifiers for Code A. I don't know if this whole living in Korea thing has paid off for him yet. If State wants to a make a deep run in WCS America 2015, he will need another team who is willing to help him better because Prime didn't seem to do much for his skill. In my opinion, I think State should come back to US, join a team like EG or Root, and qualify for AM challenger, his chances would be way better than trying to qualify for GSL. His time in Korea has not shown any results on paper, he hasn't had a top placement in any tournament (DH, MLG, GSL, WCS, etc.). However, State is very young, and I believe he is a talented player, but he needs something more than just "Korea" to help his game. EVERY Prime players failed... (except for chOya once) #cursed Speaking of which, when are the next GSL qualifiers? In 2015? | ||
Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
So no Proleague even if he finds a Korean team? Or does he mean that he only wants a teamhouse environment for traning? | ||
Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On September 20 2014 00:51 Holdenintherye wrote: Wait... so he wants to compete in WCS AM by staying in Korea? So no Proleague even if he finds a Korean team? Or does he mean that he only wants a teamhouse environment for traning? Before he was released, he said he still wanted to do Proleague, he still wanted to live in a teamhouse, and he didn't intend to leave Korea in the near future. He just wasn't going for GSL anymore. | ||
lokes
Argentina80 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Prevail
United States7 Posts
On September 20 2014 00:22 LeLfe wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2014 23:52 Prevail wrote: State was not playing up to par for Prime. He failed to make GSL Code A a few times, not even making it to a top 4 in the qualifiers for Code A. I don't know if this whole living in Korea thing has paid off for him yet. If State wants to a make a deep run in WCS America 2015, he will need another team who is willing to help him better because Prime didn't seem to do much for his skill. In my opinion, I think State should come back to US, join a team like EG or Root, and qualify for AM challenger, his chances would be way better than trying to qualify for GSL. His time in Korea has not shown any results on paper, he hasn't had a top placement in any tournament (DH, MLG, GSL, WCS, etc.). However, State is very young, and I believe he is a talented player, but he needs something more than just "Korea" to help his game. EVERY Prime players failed... (except for chOya once) You are wrong LeLfe. Quite a few players from Prime went on to have extraordinary success. Take MarineKing.Prime, back in the days of WoL, he was a consistant Code S player, even placing 2nd in 2011 by losing only to the "King of Wings" Mvp. Not to mention he won an MLG arena, a tournament in which all players at the time were Code S, except for Huk, he was the only foreigner. Creator.Prime is another example. He place 2nd in the in the first ever WCS global finals which took place in China. He lost to Parting, who is a ridiculous protoss player. Creator ended up winning $40,000 for his efforts, Parting took home the first $100,000 ever given away in SC2. Maybe Prime is not the greatest team now of days, but there players are still certainly Code A material with Myungsik still in Code S and Code A consistently. It's obvious State wasn't getting the help he needed over the past 6 months. He couldn't even make it in the GSL Code A qualifiers. This goes to show that it is not the players who are "fail", but perhaps the coaching and staff that needs improvement. It appears that Prime lacks practice as team, and it seems more like "every man for himself". The players probably don't practice together alot, share ideas and/or strategies, it would explain why Prime did so poorly in Proleague this year. | ||
Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Mangalf
Germany4 Posts
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insitelol
845 Posts
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Liliputin
Czech Republic458 Posts
On September 20 2014 02:41 Jaaaaasper wrote: Prime hasn't died yet? Yeah and they outlived IM and many more I hope you are not mad... | ||
Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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Anacreor
Netherlands291 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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Liliputin
Czech Republic458 Posts
On September 20 2014 02:52 Shinespark wrote: I suspect State isn't leaving, he's jumping ship, because Prime is not participating in proleague next season and that means they're disbanding. They survived a LONG time, but I doubt they can keep it up. What, please next time before you that kind of a statement make sure you know what are you talking about... 1) Prime will be participating in next PL 2) They are not disbanding 3) They got a new main sponsor KTC and for the first time in their team history pay their players a proper salary 4) Maybe you doubt that they will live much longer, but they are in fact getting new players, and just recently got Myungsik | ||
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Belgica34432 Posts
Now they're actually looking better than ever (got salaries for the first time ever), they just need the players/results now. | ||
Liliputin
Czech Republic458 Posts
On September 20 2014 03:17 Lorning wrote: Prime was in a way worse position 1.5 year ago. No sponsor, MKP to LoL, they just left GSTL and esf, and they still survived. Now they're actually looking better than ever (got salaries for the first time ever), they just need the players/results now. Totally agree... | ||
MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On September 20 2014 03:14 Liliputin wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2014 02:52 Shinespark wrote: I suspect State isn't leaving, he's jumping ship, because Prime is not participating in proleague next season and that means they're disbanding. They survived a LONG time, but I doubt they can keep it up. What, please next time before you that kind of a statement make sure you know what are you talking about... 1) Prime will be participating in next PL 2) They are not disbanding 3) They got a new main sponsor KTC and for the first time in their team history pay their players a proper salary 4) Maybe you doubt that they will live much longer, but they are in fact getting new players, and just recently got Myungsik Oh, they are? How surprising, I guess I haven't been keeping up. That's good, I'm happy for them but this is very unexpected. I mean they did very poorly in proleague, their lineup is terrible and they have players leaving, I thought they just couldn't keep the miracle going anymore. I mean they survived TSL, IM, FXO, Slayers and a long list of better teams. | ||
Darthsanta13
United States564 Posts
On September 20 2014 02:39 Prevail wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2014 00:22 LeLfe wrote: On September 19 2014 23:52 Prevail wrote: State was not playing up to par for Prime. He failed to make GSL Code A a few times, not even making it to a top 4 in the qualifiers for Code A. I don't know if this whole living in Korea thing has paid off for him yet. If State wants to a make a deep run in WCS America 2015, he will need another team who is willing to help him better because Prime didn't seem to do much for his skill. In my opinion, I think State should come back to US, join a team like EG or Root, and qualify for AM challenger, his chances would be way better than trying to qualify for GSL. His time in Korea has not shown any results on paper, he hasn't had a top placement in any tournament (DH, MLG, GSL, WCS, etc.). However, State is very young, and I believe he is a talented player, but he needs something more than just "Korea" to help his game. EVERY Prime players failed... (except for chOya once) You are wrong LeLfe. Quite a few players from Prime went on to have extraordinary success. Take MarineKing.Prime, back in the days of WoL, he was a consistant Code S player, even placing 2nd in 2011 by losing only to the "King of Wings" Mvp. Not to mention he won an MLG arena, a tournament in which all players at the time were Code S, except for Huk, he was the only foreigner. Creator.Prime is another example. He place 2nd in the in the first ever WCS global finals which took place in China. He lost to Parting, who is a ridiculous protoss player. Creator ended up winning $40,000 for his efforts, Parting took home the first $100,000 ever given away in SC2. Maybe Prime is not the greatest team now of days, but there players are still certainly Code A material with Myungsik still in Code S and Code A consistently. It's obvious State wasn't getting the help he needed over the past 6 months. He couldn't even make it in the GSL Code A qualifiers. This goes to show that it is not the players who are "fail", but perhaps the coaching and staff that needs improvement. It appears that Prime lacks practice as team, and it seems more like "every man for himself". The players probably don't practice together alot, share ideas and/or strategies, it would explain why Prime did so poorly in Proleague this year. I think it's pretty clear LeLfe was referring to 2014, in which State had just as much GSL success as any non-choya member of the team. | ||
Redrot
United States446 Posts
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AKAvg
Brazil298 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On September 20 2014 04:29 AKAvg wrote: So Prime has 5 members now? Isn't that like the bare minimum for Proleague? They really need more members I don't know if you can count ByuN as a real member, I mean, when is the last time we saw ByuN in an official competition? | ||
SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On September 20 2014 05:09 OtherWorld wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2014 04:29 AKAvg wrote: So Prime has 5 members now? Isn't that like the bare minimum for Proleague? They really need more members I don't know if you can count ByuN as a real member, I mean, when is the last time we saw ByuN in an official competition? According to the Liquipedia page, his last official game was at IEM Sao Paulo Qualifiers, played on December 18 2013 | ||
Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 19 2014 22:05 5c0rp10n wrote: State didnt deliver. Sorry for him! I hope he finds a new team/training house. Thats more than a bit harsh. On average it takes 2 years for Korean training to result in a break through. The fact state is still willing to continue training is an excellent sign! | ||
PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 20 2014 05:20 SuperHofmann wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2014 05:09 OtherWorld wrote: On September 20 2014 04:29 AKAvg wrote: So Prime has 5 members now? Isn't that like the bare minimum for Proleague? They really need more members I don't know if you can count ByuN as a real member, I mean, when is the last time we saw ByuN in an official competition? According to the Liquipedia page, his last official game was at IEM Sao Paulo Qualifiers, played on December 18 2013 But he beat Parting! | ||
SkySC2
Germany303 Posts
On September 20 2014 05:47 PinoKotsBeer wrote: is barbie not in the player roster? would love to see more of her :D she left prime 4 days ago | ||
usopsama
6502 Posts
On September 20 2014 05:58 SkySC2 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2014 05:47 PinoKotsBeer wrote: is barbie not in the player roster? would love to see more of her :D she left prime 4 days ago Smart girl. ![]() | ||
Lorning
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Belgica34432 Posts
On September 20 2014 06:45 usopsama wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2014 05:58 SkySC2 wrote: On September 20 2014 05:47 PinoKotsBeer wrote: is barbie not in the player roster? would love to see more of her :D she left prime 4 days ago Smart girl. ![]() Yes, leaving when Prime gets salary for the 1st time in 4 years. Clever | ||
SkySC2
Germany303 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10665 Posts
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On September 20 2014 05:38 Plexa wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2014 22:05 5c0rp10n wrote: State didnt deliver. Sorry for him! I hope he finds a new team/training house. Thats more than a bit harsh. On average it takes 2 years for Korean training to result in a break through. The fact state is still willing to continue training is an excellent sign! But he was not even delivering outside of Korea.. he did not do nothing practically. Americans who do not practice in Korea are achieving way more than he does. | ||
TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On September 19 2014 23:49 Crot4le wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2014 23:33 padiseal2 wrote: On September 19 2014 22:17 Crot4le wrote: Would love to see State on Axiom. TB said time and time again that Axiom house can't support any more players ![]() Ah yeah, I forgot that TRUE is staying there now. I thought there was still a vacant spot left by INno leaving to stay with his parents. Nope, Olivia took his spot. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland24316 Posts
On September 20 2014 07:48 Kimb3r wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2014 05:38 Plexa wrote: On September 19 2014 22:05 5c0rp10n wrote: State didnt deliver. Sorry for him! I hope he finds a new team/training house. Thats more than a bit harsh. On average it takes 2 years for Korean training to result in a break through. The fact state is still willing to continue training is an excellent sign! But he was not even delivering outside of Korea.. he did not do nothing practically. Americans who do not practice in Korea are achieving way more than he does. Perhaps, I can't really recall State even being in that many qualifiers but I might be wrong. I wish foreigners wouldn't have to grind it alone in Korea like this. Major had the same issues IMO, it's no doubt hard to discuss the game with your housemates with the language gap. Not that no communication occurs, but I'd imagine improvement would be a lot quicker if it wasn't such a huge culture shock. | ||
Spiller
United States106 Posts
On September 20 2014 08:55 Wombat_NI wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2014 07:48 Kimb3r wrote: On September 20 2014 05:38 Plexa wrote: On September 19 2014 22:05 5c0rp10n wrote: State didnt deliver. Sorry for him! I hope he finds a new team/training house. Thats more than a bit harsh. On average it takes 2 years for Korean training to result in a break through. The fact state is still willing to continue training is an excellent sign! But he was not even delivering outside of Korea.. he did not do nothing practically. Americans who do not practice in Korea are achieving way more than he does. Perhaps, I can't really recall State even being in that many qualifiers but I might be wrong. I wish foreigners wouldn't have to grind it alone in Korea like this. Major had the same issues IMO, it's no doubt hard to discuss the game with your housemates with the language gap. Not that no communication occurs, but I'd imagine improvement would be a lot quicker if it wasn't such a huge culture shock. State is actually pretty fluent in Korean now. If you watch his stream (hes been streaming a bit more recently) he chats in-game with quite a few players and types pretty quick from what I can tell, since I obviously don't have a clue what he is actually saying. I think that is one of the main reasons he wants to stay, he really seems to enjoy it there and has taken to the culture more than most foreigners, although only he could say that for sure. Also last I saw he was around rank 100 GM so he seems to be doing somewhat OK skill-wise, but again it can be hard to know exactly how ladder results translate to actual tournament success. We don't get to see as much of him so again the only people who truly know his skill level are state and the Koreans he plays on ladder or in customs. | ||
Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13967 Posts
On September 19 2014 23:04 Noonius wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2014 23:01 Lorning wrote: On September 19 2014 22:56 Noonius wrote: On September 19 2014 22:47 Ovid wrote: On September 19 2014 22:46 Lorning wrote: On September 19 2014 22:42 shid0x wrote: Prime's rooster is really shitty. Just how much do they pay creator for him to stay ? They're picking up players soon Innovation prime? Inno is too good for Prime Was too good for acer too Prime > Acer anyway That's legit retarded, Scarlett allkill prime all day everyday | ||
SpunXtain20
Australia554 Posts
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duckk
United States622 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
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aeligos
United States172 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
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Synergysc
United States25 Posts
On September 20 2014 21:57 aeligos wrote: With regions locking, how is not getting deported? He is european (murikan, canadian, etc) is he not? Why would someone get deported lol, he's going to stay in Korea until the qualifiers for WCS AM take place next season and move back to America | ||
KonanTenshi
Sweden210 Posts
On September 20 2014 02:39 Prevail wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2014 00:22 LeLfe wrote: On September 19 2014 23:52 Prevail wrote: State was not playing up to par for Prime. He failed to make GSL Code A a few times, not even making it to a top 4 in the qualifiers for Code A. I don't know if this whole living in Korea thing has paid off for him yet. If State wants to a make a deep run in WCS America 2015, he will need another team who is willing to help him better because Prime didn't seem to do much for his skill. In my opinion, I think State should come back to US, join a team like EG or Root, and qualify for AM challenger, his chances would be way better than trying to qualify for GSL. His time in Korea has not shown any results on paper, he hasn't had a top placement in any tournament (DH, MLG, GSL, WCS, etc.). However, State is very young, and I believe he is a talented player, but he needs something more than just "Korea" to help his game. EVERY Prime players failed... (except for chOya once) You are wrong LeLfe. Quite a few players from Prime went on to have extraordinary success. Take MarineKing.Prime, back in the days of WoL, he was a consistant Code S player, even placing 2nd in 2011 by losing only to the "King of Wings" Mvp. Not to mention he won an MLG arena, a tournament in which all players at the time were Code S, except for Huk, he was the only foreigner. Creator.Prime is another example. He place 2nd in the in the first ever WCS global finals which took place in China. He lost to Parting, who is a ridiculous protoss player. Creator ended up winning $40,000 for his efforts, Parting took home the first $100,000 ever given away in SC2. Maybe Prime is not the greatest team now of days, but there players are still certainly Code A material with Myungsik still in Code S and Code A consistently. It's obvious State wasn't getting the help he needed over the past 6 months. He couldn't even make it in the GSL Code A qualifiers. This goes to show that it is not the players who are "fail", but perhaps the coaching and staff that needs improvement. It appears that Prime lacks practice as team, and it seems more like "every man for himself". The players probably don't practice together alot, share ideas and/or strategies, it would explain why Prime did so poorly in Proleague this year. don't forget Maru, He was on Prime before he moved to Jin air. | ||
NxSs
Belgium39 Posts
On September 20 2014 09:27 Spiller wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2014 08:55 Wombat_NI wrote: On September 20 2014 07:48 Kimb3r wrote: On September 20 2014 05:38 Plexa wrote: On September 19 2014 22:05 5c0rp10n wrote: State didnt deliver. Sorry for him! I hope he finds a new team/training house. Thats more than a bit harsh. On average it takes 2 years for Korean training to result in a break through. The fact state is still willing to continue training is an excellent sign! But he was not even delivering outside of Korea.. he did not do nothing practically. Americans who do not practice in Korea are achieving way more than he does. Perhaps, I can't really recall State even being in that many qualifiers but I might be wrong. I wish foreigners wouldn't have to grind it alone in Korea like this. Major had the same issues IMO, it's no doubt hard to discuss the game with your housemates with the language gap. Not that no communication occurs, but I'd imagine improvement would be a lot quicker if it wasn't such a huge culture shock. State is actually pretty fluent in Korean now. If you watch his stream (hes been streaming a bit more recently) he chats in-game with quite a few players and types pretty quick from what I can tell, since I obviously don't have a clue what he is actually saying. I think that is one of the main reasons he wants to stay, he really seems to enjoy it there and has taken to the culture more than most foreigners, although only he could say that for sure. Also last I saw he was around rank 100 GM so he seems to be doing somewhat OK skill-wise, but again it can be hard to know exactly how ladder results translate to actual tournament success. We don't get to see as much of him so again the only people who truly know his skill level are state and the Koreans he plays on ladder or in customs. I didn't see his stream recently but before his Korean wasn't that good . It was all really basic stuff (I understand a little Korean myself). Best of luck to him though! | ||
bypLy
757 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 20 2014 07:48 Kimb3r wrote: But he was not even delivering outside of Korea.. he did not do nothing practically. Americans who do not practice in Korea are achieving way more than he does. State has spent most of his time practicing rather than participating in tournaments, not flying around. Results for ![]() ![]() Games: 35.48% (11-20) Matches: 38.46% (5-8) Filters: Opponent Race: all Stats by Aligulac. Link. Results for ![]() ![]() Games: 62.20% (51-31) Matches: 64.71% (22-12) Filters: Opponent Race: all Stats by Aligulac. Link. For comparison see puck's alguiac page. Virtually all tournaments have Koreans picking off foreigners now without discrimination... It's pretty lame to imply that other American players are somehow performing drastically better. He's stated time and time again that he wants to improve his skills. That's a long term goal... and you're judging him on the immediate ones. IMO this thread has too many people bitching over an issue that's entirely State's. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
seriously though, he's been one of the foreigners in korea for the longest time - the fact that he still wants to stay there and train sounds like a great thing. I'm hoping that he has other opportunities lined up; otherwise, he's always been right at the grubby line in terms of tournament hopes, expectations, and placements. | ||
casual player
8 Posts
![]() So I'm guessing he's negotiating with foreign teams if he will participate in WCS AM next year? | ||
Marou
Germany1371 Posts
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On September 21 2014 05:13 casual player wrote: Best of luck State ![]() So I'm guessing he's negotiating with foreign teams if he will participate in WCS AM next year? No, read the OP. He is staying in Korea. | ||
KonanTenshi
Sweden210 Posts
EDIT: Aka let him live in your appartment ![]() On a serious note, I wonder whose willing to host him. Maybe ST or MVP feels the most possible solutions. | ||
casual player
8 Posts
On September 21 2014 08:30 Crot4le wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2014 05:13 casual player wrote: Best of luck State ![]() So I'm guessing he's negotiating with foreign teams if he will participate in WCS AM next year? No, read the OP. He is staying in Korea. Okay! So he's going to participate in WCS AM next year because he's American (legal resident of the region), but he will continue to live and practice in Korea because he's got valid tourist visa. Can he kinda circumvent the WCS rules like that or I am missing something? | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland24316 Posts
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casual player
8 Posts
On September 21 2014 18:09 Wombat_NI wrote: Being an American citizen > having American residency? Yes. So he doesn't have to live in America to compete there? This is actually my question. I'm just trying to figure out how exactly WCS rules are going to work out next year. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On September 21 2014 08:53 KonanTenshi wrote: Jinro, save e sports, start up a gaming house for State~~ EDIT: Aka let him live in your appartment ![]() On a serious note, I wonder whose willing to host him. Maybe ST or MVP feels the most possible solutions. I'd need to talk to my girlfriend about it, but I do have space and if he needs somewhere to practice short-term while finding a new place to stay it might actually be doable (I live 5 min walk from prime house). | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland24316 Posts
On September 21 2014 18:23 casual player wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2014 18:09 Wombat_NI wrote: Being an American citizen > having American residency? Yes. So he doesn't have to live in America to compete there? This is actually my question. I'm just trying to figure out how exactly WCS rules are going to work out next year. You need to be a resident in a region to compete, unless you have a passport for a country within that region. I would imagine citizenship supersedes residency in this case | ||
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Chuddinater
Korea (South)169 Posts
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Hassan_RO
Romania77 Posts
With Myungsik, billowy, and now byun coming back, it's starting to look like a team again! GOGOGOGO WOHOOOOOOO! PRIME IS ALIVE!!!! | ||
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