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On September 17 2014 05:14 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 05:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 17 2014 05:08 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On September 17 2014 05:05 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 17 2014 03:13 brickrd wrote:On September 17 2014 03:11 Teoita wrote:On September 17 2014 03:10 brickrd wrote:On September 17 2014 03:08 Sirrush wrote:
So all pro players are just completely fucked if they want to practice on the ladder during the off-season? The off-season which is going to be super important for practice, considering EVERYONE has to requalify for WCS?
This is going to suck... why? they will rebalance the maps as necessary. after daedalus point they would be out of their minds not to. i would be truly shocked if they didnt Nothing about Xel naga caverns, Metalopolis, or Steppes of War can be balanced. They are just not competitive maps. you really think people will trollvote noncompetitive maps into the ladder? Never underestimate how stupid people are. Just see some of the leaders they chose by vote. Blizzard will have to monitor the prelist very carefully if we don't want to end up with a Daedalus Point / Steppes of War slugfest. A lot of posts I read here sound like "Duh Blistering Sands again would be so fun, ha ha ha so much nostalgia" without any sensible thought on an actual game on the map. Hm, what if they just did the #dreampool for the Unranked Ladder? That's not what is being suggested. If they're going full #dreampool, yeah they should definitely consider using it only for unranked ladder. Otherwise, careful preselection and some tweaks on the maps will be really needed if they want to offer an interesting and fair competitive gaming environment for the ladder, which is kinda what ladder is about. Honestly, I would love to go full #dreampool for Unranked Ladder. Just bring back all the fucking classics and have everyone revel in the hilariously fun misery that were previous ladder maps haha. It could be a lot of fun from time to time during a normal ladder season. No one uses unranked play for serious practice anyway, so it seems like a perfect fit.
That would definitely be great. They should consider doing it while just making the 3 rotation maps in the ranked map pool old classic ones. Even I would jump by to play a game on Scrap Station or Jungle Basin if this is unranked ladder -but I'd rather eat my own arm than play it on ranked ladder.
On September 17 2014 05:17 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 05:14 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On September 17 2014 05:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 17 2014 05:08 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On September 17 2014 05:05 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 17 2014 03:13 brickrd wrote:On September 17 2014 03:11 Teoita wrote:On September 17 2014 03:10 brickrd wrote:On September 17 2014 03:08 Sirrush wrote:
So all pro players are just completely fucked if they want to practice on the ladder during the off-season? The off-season which is going to be super important for practice, considering EVERYONE has to requalify for WCS?
This is going to suck... why? they will rebalance the maps as necessary. after daedalus point they would be out of their minds not to. i would be truly shocked if they didnt Nothing about Xel naga caverns, Metalopolis, or Steppes of War can be balanced. They are just not competitive maps. you really think people will trollvote noncompetitive maps into the ladder? Never underestimate how stupid people are. Just see some of the leaders they chose by vote. Blizzard will have to monitor the prelist very carefully if we don't want to end up with a Daedalus Point / Steppes of War slugfest. A lot of posts I read here sound like "Duh Blistering Sands again would be so fun, ha ha ha so much nostalgia" without any sensible thought on an actual game on the map. Hm, what if they just did the #dreampool for the Unranked Ladder? That's not what is being suggested. If they're going full #dreampool, yeah they should definitely consider using it only for unranked ladder. Otherwise, careful preselection and some tweaks on the maps will be really needed if they want to offer an interesting and fair competitive gaming environment for the ladder, which is kinda what ladder is about. Honestly, I would love to go full #dreampool for Unranked Ladder. Just bring back all the fucking classics and have everyone revel in the hilariously fun misery that were previous ladder maps haha. It could be a lot of fun from time to time during a normal ladder season. No one uses unranked play for serious practice anyway, so it seems like a perfect fit. You're acting as if there is a difference between ranked and unranked other than not recording leagues and points. You can't change the map pool of one without the other because they share the same matchmaking queue.
You make an important point. So no, play stupid maps on custom games. Ladder should be a fair and competitive gaming environment.
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On September 17 2014 05:14 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 05:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 17 2014 05:08 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On September 17 2014 05:05 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 17 2014 03:13 brickrd wrote:On September 17 2014 03:11 Teoita wrote:On September 17 2014 03:10 brickrd wrote:On September 17 2014 03:08 Sirrush wrote:
So all pro players are just completely fucked if they want to practice on the ladder during the off-season? The off-season which is going to be super important for practice, considering EVERYONE has to requalify for WCS?
This is going to suck... why? they will rebalance the maps as necessary. after daedalus point they would be out of their minds not to. i would be truly shocked if they didnt Nothing about Xel naga caverns, Metalopolis, or Steppes of War can be balanced. They are just not competitive maps. you really think people will trollvote noncompetitive maps into the ladder? Never underestimate how stupid people are. Just see some of the leaders they chose by vote. Blizzard will have to monitor the prelist very carefully if we don't want to end up with a Daedalus Point / Steppes of War slugfest. A lot of posts I read here sound like "Duh Blistering Sands again would be so fun, ha ha ha so much nostalgia" without any sensible thought on an actual game on the map. Hm, what if they just did the #dreampool for the Unranked Ladder? That's not what is being suggested. If they're going full #dreampool, yeah they should definitely consider using it only for unranked ladder. Otherwise, careful preselection and some tweaks on the maps will be really needed if they want to offer an interesting and fair competitive gaming environment for the ladder, which is kinda what ladder is about. Honestly, I would love to go full #dreampool for Unranked Ladder. Just bring back all the fucking classics and have everyone revel in the hilariously fun misery that were previous ladder maps haha. It could be a lot of fun from time to time during a normal ladder season. No one uses unranked play for serious practice anyway, so it seems like a perfect fit.
You're acting as if there is a difference between ranked and unranked other than not recording leagues and points. You can't change the map pool of one without the other because they share the same matchmaking queue.
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100% Need the following maps:
Daybreak
Cloud Kingdom
Shakuras Plateau
Antiga Shipyard
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On September 17 2014 05:17 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 05:14 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On September 17 2014 05:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 17 2014 05:08 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On September 17 2014 05:05 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 17 2014 03:13 brickrd wrote:On September 17 2014 03:11 Teoita wrote:On September 17 2014 03:10 brickrd wrote:On September 17 2014 03:08 Sirrush wrote:
So all pro players are just completely fucked if they want to practice on the ladder during the off-season? The off-season which is going to be super important for practice, considering EVERYONE has to requalify for WCS?
This is going to suck... why? they will rebalance the maps as necessary. after daedalus point they would be out of their minds not to. i would be truly shocked if they didnt Nothing about Xel naga caverns, Metalopolis, or Steppes of War can be balanced. They are just not competitive maps. you really think people will trollvote noncompetitive maps into the ladder? Never underestimate how stupid people are. Just see some of the leaders they chose by vote. Blizzard will have to monitor the prelist very carefully if we don't want to end up with a Daedalus Point / Steppes of War slugfest. A lot of posts I read here sound like "Duh Blistering Sands again would be so fun, ha ha ha so much nostalgia" without any sensible thought on an actual game on the map. Hm, what if they just did the #dreampool for the Unranked Ladder? That's not what is being suggested. If they're going full #dreampool, yeah they should definitely consider using it only for unranked ladder. Otherwise, careful preselection and some tweaks on the maps will be really needed if they want to offer an interesting and fair competitive gaming environment for the ladder, which is kinda what ladder is about. Honestly, I would love to go full #dreampool for Unranked Ladder. Just bring back all the fucking classics and have everyone revel in the hilariously fun misery that were previous ladder maps haha. It could be a lot of fun from time to time during a normal ladder season. No one uses unranked play for serious practice anyway, so it seems like a perfect fit. You're acting as if there is a difference between ranked and unranked other than not recording leagues and points. You can't change the map pool of one without the other because they share the same matchmaking queue.
So disconnect them for a season or something? idk, but I would like to see something like this legitimately happen in a way that people can just have nostalgiac fun and not get screwed when trying to play for real. Unranked ladder just seems like the perfect platform for this, even if it takes a few adjustments.
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Every season, there's a few good maps and then a few maps that no one wants to play. I wish they would just use "classic" maps to replace the ones that no one wants to play. Ugh.
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That moment when I realized this great idea maybe wasn't this great. This makes me sad because the intention is really sweet, but the result could be horrible. Remember this is the WCS off-season after which everyone will have to qualify again, so the ladder not offering a good competitive environment would be a catastrophe for a lot of players who don't have solid players to practice with. I hope they consider only replacing 3 maps of the current pool by "classics", so that :
- the odds of stupid maps being added will be lower.
- we're ensured a competitive map pool.
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Minus Metalopolis, these are all HOTS maps.
edit: oh right, Nerazim Crypt. But that's just a bad map, not even nostalgic to anyone.
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The biggest message here is actually that if they wanted to do something fun, they shouldn't have bothered posting about it on TL in the first place.
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We should import Brood War classics such as Jim Raynor's memory, Raid Assault 2, and Demon's Forest while we're at it.
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On September 17 2014 05:31 opisska wrote:
The biggest message here is actually that if they wanted to do something fun, they shouldn't have bothered posting about it on TL in the first place.
They could do the kind of things you find fun for a week, with only really broken unplayable terrible maps, like the neverending birthday party (the ten days during which workers wore hats). After a week of laddering on those maps, you'll be relieved not to have to play them for two long months.
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On September 17 2014 05:31 opisska wrote:
The biggest message here is actually that if they wanted to do something fun, they shouldn't have bothered posting about it on TL in the first place.
This has been true for years, yeah -_-
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Or we could do the "most standard maps of all time" pool.
Daybreak
Akilon Wastes
Overgrowth
Bel'shir Vestige
Newkirk
Whirlwind
Entombed valley/Antiga/Shattered Temple
Edit: How could I forget, Frost
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On September 17 2014 05:35 klipik12 wrote:
Or we could do the "most standard maps of all time" pool.
Daybreak
Akilon Wastes
Overgrowth
Bel'shir Vestige
Newkirk
Whirlwind
Entombed valley/Antiga/Shattered Temple
I'd rather phrase it with "most solid maps of all time", which doesn't sound as negative. Is it wrong to want great maps that stood the test of time back instead of horrible early Blizzard maps everyone complained about ? If you ate shit when you were a toddler, would it taste good to you today because it would make you feel nostalgic ?
Never. Ever. Ask. People. And I thought we were a clever community... If Steppes of War ends high in the polls... Well, we as a community will go as low in my esteem as far right nationalist hunters or LoL players. #nightmarepool
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SHAKURAS PLATEAUUUUUUUUUUUU
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On September 17 2014 05:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 05:35 klipik12 wrote:
Or we could do the "most standard maps of all time" pool.
Daybreak
Akilon Wastes
Overgrowth
Bel'shir Vestige
Newkirk
Whirlwind
Entombed valley/Antiga/Shattered Temple I'd rather phrase it with "most solid maps of all time", which doesn't sound as negative. Is it wrong to want great maps that stood the test of time back instead of horrible early Blizzard maps everyone complained about ? If you ate shit when you were a toddler, would it taste good to you today because it would make you feel nostalgic ?
That analogy... lol
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Community going full foreigner
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ohana!!!!!
Star station,
Whirlwind
derelict watcher,
metalopolis
shakuras plateau
daybreak,
cloud kingdom
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Quoted my own post. Sorry.
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EPT
Korhal Sky Island
