WAH(Warcraft:Alliance and Horde) now released its 2.0 version, it has 4 factions: Alliance, Horde, Burning Legion and Undead Scourge, 30 distinctive heroes and 50+ units. 6 melee maps from Crossroads to Ice Crown for players to fight with each other or AI.
WAH 2.0 Horde units video: Power of the Horde
Chain ligfhtining of elemental shaman, that makes massive damage output in the battle.
Compare to the 1.0 version one year before, it is has much more better graphic, that is due to the using of normal maps on units, building and terrains.
Not just graphic, but also the gameplay is improved. Critical, Parry, Dodge system makes the battle more alive, warriors have wound animation when getting critical attack from the enemy; footman raise his sword when successfully parried enemy attack; Nightelf Archer will easily dodge the piercing attack when under Monkey Aspect etc.
Tauren Shamans charge into the Alliance formation.
When one year's upgrade, the WAH 2.0 now added Burning Legion and Undead Scourge. The two new factions are both distinctive and interesting:
The Burning Legion are formed by Fel-orcs, Fel-elfs, Broken Draenei and Demons, which it is strictly follow the lore of WOW. At the beginning of the game, player can only train 'mortal' units from Fel-orc Barracks, the Demon units are only trained in Dark Portal, which is also the tech building. The Demons did not cost gold or mithril, and can be trained instantly if there are enough pop supply. It sounds terrible, but player can only build one Dark Portal and train demons needs Demon Points, which is generated at a very slow speed. The Fel Hound and Succubus cost 1 point, and Fel-Guard, Voidwalker cost 2. So the demon units seems to be a free gift to the player, but it also need to be used wisely.
There is day-night circle in the game, there will be torches lights up during the night.
Another important feature of Burning Legion is the legion horror system: Chaos-Grunt and Fel-Guard can get 1 level of legion horror when he uses heroism strike to attack enemies. When the buff stack into 10 levels, Chaos-Grunt will transform into Blood-Guard and Fel-Guard into Wraith-Guard, it sounds similar in WOW warlock's talents. This system means that player should keep theses units alive and let them grow into stronger one.
The Tauren Warrior is defending the horde base.
The Undead Scourge, although most of its units came from Warcraft III, like ghoul, crypt fiend, gargoyle etc, the Scourge have many new features that come from WOW: an upgraded Necromancer can transform a ghoul into a giant zombie temporarily, like deathknight did in WOW; Valkrie Twin provide different auras and died together; The Abomination can grasp an enemy unit to him like it is Dota; The Bone Guard has ultra ability of Bone Storm, destroy enemies like he did to players in Ice Crown Citadel.
The Necromancer can transform a ghoul into a giant zombie, like deathknight of WOW.
The Undead does not have any upgrades on attack or defence for its units, it only focus on the Blood Plague: At the beginning, Blood Plague is just a debuff of -5 life regeneration that spread to the enemy target, not very strong, but there are 3 upgrades for it, Corpse Explosion will let enemies that carrying the plague to explode when he dies, Quick Act let the enemy get 50 damage when he begin to catch the plague, and Suffering will let enemies who catches the plague have 5% to stun when under attack. For the Undead, there are many units can spread Blood Plague by attacking, and the Blood Prince has more efficient methods: he can cast Plague Explosion to spread the plague to massive enemies, and when he is upgraded to the master level, he can summon Plague Hound, to attack the enemy and the hound will explode when killed or time is up.
One 3V3 melee map, has many landmarks of Ice Crown.
For the Alliance and Horde, there are also many new features: More famous heroes comes like Varian, Tyrade and Garrash; Siege units available for both sides, the Alliance even has the gunship of WOW -- Skybreaker; Peons finally learned to get into Burrow, Burrow and Tower can be fortified temporarily; The Gryphon Rider now has his campanion -- The Daughter of Sky -- a dwarf girl riding a snow white gryphon, as a priestess in the sky.
Strong creep's battle would be more epic, and also is the item it drops.
Besides the four factions, there are still many upgrades on the game, like neutral shop, legendary weapon, mercenary from Defia Rogue to Black Dragon, achievements etc, player would enjoy these interesting features.
Neutral shops on the map would provide many useful items, rush to purchase them.
How to play the game: By now WAH 2.0 is available on US, EU, Korean and CN server. For SC2 is free now, player can play WAH 2.0 without paying. 1. Register a free Battle-Net account. https://us.battle.net/account/creation/tos.html 2. Download the SC2 and install it. 3. Log into the game, click Arcade and get into the Arcade page. 4. Search 'WAH' on the text box of the top right, you will find all 6 melee maps.
very good work, still going back to my original complains though, too many spells. every single unit has spells which I think is far too much to memorise and to learn.
But a damn fine looking game nevertheless. GJ dude :D
On August 06 2014 22:14 ETisME wrote: very good work, still going back to my original complains though, too many spells. every single unit has spells which I think is far too much to memorise and to learn.
But a damn fine looking game nevertheless. GJ dude :D
I just improved the Horde and Undead's defence feature, I will try to update it.
So i've been playing like 30+ games both vs Ai and vs friends. I dont know how all the maps look like, but one problem is rly annoying, the creeps! The map layout makes you agro the creepcamps even tho you're not very close to them. That cant rly be the deal if you wanna be able to scout (with a worker early on) or even if you wanna rush and punish when your oppoent is fast expandning. (And that is possible since there aren't any creeps spawning on the other spawn locations when playing 1v1.)
I dont know how much you wanted the mod too look like Wc3, but if that was the plan, i'd love too have a skype call while playing the game, or even stream my gameplay, while giving feedback on what i think should change/improve for it too be more like Warcraft and competitive. I gotta say i got alot to say but not if someone listens.
Anyway, there are alot of things that i think could be improved, but overall i think this mod got soooo much potential. Its rly nice with 4 races, alot of strategys becoz of all the units and heros (already found my imba harras hero ; D )
GL with this mod i think you're up to something awsome!
So i've been playing like 30+ games both vs Ai and vs friends. I dont know how all the maps look like, but one problem is rly annoying, the creeps! The map layout makes you agro the creepcamps even tho you're not very close to them. That cant rly be the deal if you wanna be able to scout (with a worker early on) or even if you wanna rush and punish when your oppoent is fast expandning. (And that is possible since there aren't any creeps spawning on the other spawn locations when playing 1v1.)
I dont know how much you wanted the mod too look like Wc3, but if that was the plan, i'd love too have a skype call while playing the game, or even stream my gameplay, while giving feedback on what i think should change/improve for it too be more like Warcraft and competitive. I gotta say i got alot to say but not if someone listens.
Anyway, there are alot of things that i think could be improved, but overall i think this mod got soooo much potential. Its rly nice with 4 races, alot of strategys becoz of all the units and heros (already found my imba harras hero ; D )
GL with this mod i think you're up to something awsome!
/TheMvS
Hi TheMvS:
Thanks for your feedbacks, about the creep, I think it is caused by the map structure, maybe some place too narrow, players can not count accurately to avoid the creeps like in war3, I think I need to do more polish work on every detail on every map.
Thanks again for your attention and do not hesitate to tell me any thing you find.
Honestly, this looks fantastic, but seems like way too many spells and activated abilities- at least based on the video. I guess I'll have to play it sometime and see how it works though.
On August 11 2014 17:19 CutTheEnemy wrote: Honestly, this looks fantastic, but seems like way too many spells and activated abilities- at least based on the video. I guess I'll have to play it sometime and see how it works though.
I noticed that so I put most of abilities of units to autocast. But I still receive many complaints about that, so I will try to modify some of them into passive abilities in the next version.
On August 11 2014 17:19 CutTheEnemy wrote: Honestly, this looks fantastic, but seems like way too many spells and activated abilities- at least based on the video. I guess I'll have to play it sometime and see how it works though.
I noticed that so I put most of abilities of units to autocast. But I still receive many complaints about that, so I will try to modify some of them into passive abilities in the next version.
Its not about having too many spells to use. The problem is just having too many spells, be it active, passive or aura or auto cast
If I remember correctly, in wc3, other than spell casters and heroes, most other units don't have much spells yet they are distinctively different and fits the race design.
I think a slim down on spells amount would be the way to go. But I am not a big big wc3 player so you should also take this in consideration
Oh totaly forgot to mention that if anyone wanna play a game, bugtesting or just play competitive or for fun add me. TheMvS 540. You can also find me in the "WAH" chat channel. I will hang there until someone wanna play!
If i'm online, i will play for sure : )
As many have mentioned, yes there are way too many spells. Dps units such as grunts w/e shouldn't have passives or other abillitys IMO, i guess an upgrade in T3 or so could be fine, and then i think it should be autocasted for sure. (Like Taurens got pulverize and bears are support/dps units for Nightelfs) But just like it is in wc3, only heroes and casters should have spells, that you will have to manualy cast. unless its like a debuff/buff like bloodlust or fairy fire)
On August 12 2014 22:05 MvS.MiKE wrote: Oh totaly forgot to mention that if anyone wanna play a game, bugtesting or just play competitive or for fun add me. TheMvS 540. You can also find me in the "WAH" chat channel. I will hang there until someone wanna play!
If i'm online, i will play for sure : )
As many have mentioned, yes there are way too many spells. Dps units such as grunts w/e shouldn't have passives or other abillitys IMO, i guess an upgrade in T3 or so could be fine, and then i think it should be autocasted for sure. (Like Taurens got pulverize and bears are support/dps units for Nightelfs) But just like it is in wc3, only heroes and casters should have spells, that you will have to manualy cast. unless its like a debuff/buff like bloodlust or fairy fire)
I will consider add notice to tell player to join WAH channel and group in the loading screen.
At first, I want to state that you, good Sir, are some sort of a wizard. Or something. I looked forward to the world for a new, great RTS game and now I have almost found it. I just love the work you've done with WAH. I love the concept, I love the maps, I love the graphics, but...
Spells, spells, spells. As mentioned many times, there really are too many of them. Just like grunts. Concidered as "basic unit", it should only have one simple ability that can be set on autocast, IMHO. Even the Alliance priests have less spells; btw which is great that they automaticly heal and that's it! It's an RTS, it should be kept slightly more simple.
The AI, o thee, mighty motherf.... I love that I can play against the AI, 2v2 with a friend against two AI players. Or just me against an AI team. But how in the name of Odin the AI player comes after a quarter, stomps human player with tremendous army and a legendary weapon on his hero? To be honest, it just can't farm that much resources to create an army of 50 units and all the things he needs to be just too overpowered. This is what makes me log back to World of Warcraft or Diablo 3, unfortunately.
This I should've mentioned before but this is nothing but constructive criticism in a good way Nothing bad!
I just discovered this game, and it is absolutely amazing!
I would love to help bug test. Some suggestions:
1) the armor icons don't seem to be uniform. HORDE: Bloodknights are "medium" but have a steel plate armor icon. Elemental Shamans are also "medium" but have a chain mail armor icon. Enhancement Shaman are "heavy" but have the chain mail armor icon. Sun Walkers are "medium" but have a protoss armor icon.
Steel plate: heavy Chain mail: medium Leather: light Robe: Unarmored?
2) tech trees HORDE: the Silvermoon Symbol says it requires the Goblin Lab, but it cannot be researchable until the Fortress has been created. The Shadow Priest Master Training says it can be upgraded in the Spirit Lodge, but it cannot be upgraded.
3) scaling The Sunwalker's Tauren is about 1/2 the size of an Enhancement Shaman. I understand that the Kodo would be too big, but perhaps you can make all the units smaller. That would also give buildings a relatively realistic size. The Wolf Rider's rider is 1/2 the size of a Silvermoon Ranger. The windrider's orc is also very small.
4) mechanics peons cannot be SHIFT assigned actions once they building something. if a peon is assigned to a unit group and builds something, the buidling replaces the peon in that group.
5) levels Heroes can be a maximum of level 6, making it impossible to get all teh spells. In Warcraft III, the max is 10.
hey guys how u doin? i wanted to ask a quastion about WAH mod in starcraft 2 ive played the mod bot there is some real problems with the unit models for example when i order my undead units to attack something they just stayed and watch the target they actually dealing damages to the target and the target lose HP but unit models just do nothing but this wont happen with the alliance footman, but for example mountainking suffers the same problem LichKing just do nothing but DeathBringer do visually ok do you guys know how to fix this problem?? this mod is epic and i really love to play this, its actually the reason i installed Starcraft 2 plz help
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