Inven reports that Prime has not received agreed upon payments from their former sponsor Tt eSports.
Prime and Tt eSports had previously signed a sponsorship agreement that lasted between January 2012 and June 2014. According to Prime, Tt eSports failed to pay out sponsorship funds in 2014, only providing them with the final month's worth of funds upon the ending of the contract.
A statement from Prime read "We wanted to end things in a good way as we had kept a good relationship for two years and six months, but at the end Tt eSports is trying to pass off this issue with no valid reason."
On July 29 2014 12:05 Waxangel wrote: Source: Inven.co.kr
Inven reports that Prime has not received agreed upon payments from their sponsor Tt eSports.
Prime and Tt eSports had previous signed a sponsorship agreement that lasted between January 2012 and June 2014. According to Prime, Tt eSports failed to pay out sponsorship funds in 2014, only providing them with the final month's word of funds upon the ending of the contract.
A statement from Prime read "We wanted to end things in a good way as we had kept a good relationship for two years and six months, but at the end Tt eSports is trying to pass off this issue with no valid reason."
On July 29 2014 12:05 Waxangel wrote: Source: Inven.co.kr
Inven reports that Prime has not received agreed upon payments from their sponsor Tt eSports.
Prime and Tt eSports had previous signed a sponsorship agreement that lasted between January 2012 and June 2014. According to Prime, Tt eSports failed to pay out sponsorship funds in 2014, only providing them with the final month's word of funds upon the ending of the contract.
A statement from Prime read "We wanted to end things in a good way as we had kept a good relationship for two years and six months, but at the end Tt eSports is trying to pass off this issue with no valid reason."
There's not much anyone can do because teams can barely afford to stay open much less get lawyers involved. I'm still owed money from various organizations in the scene (none of my sponsors though, they kept up their promises fortunately).
I bought a Prime branded TT eSports keyboard last year. I've loved it, but should I feel bad now? poor Prime. They've been one of my favorite teams, hope they get some good luck headed their way soon.
Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
I hope this isn't the end of Prime. Iconic team, and in the wake of IM's demise, will be a huge blow to the Korean scene, even if they aren't really performing up to snuff. Prime spawned a lot of great players and has given chances to many young up-and-coming players as well. Let's hope they can get back on their feet and find some stability.
On July 29 2014 12:12 banjoetheredskin wrote: Isn't this similar to what happened with LG and IM or am I completely wrong?
Not really, as I understand LG simply didn't renew IM after the first year of the contract, but also didn't specifically announce they are NOT renewing the contract either, so IM continued to play with LG in their name for like a year despite that LG was no longer paying them in hopes that LG would renew the sponsorship. The renewal obviously never took place and I'm guessing that they never got any additional money from them either though I don't know about the last part.
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
I hope this isn't the end of Prime. Iconic team, and in the wake of IM's demise, will be a huge blow to the Korean scene, even if they aren't really performing up to snuff. Prime spawned a lot of great players and has given chances to many young up-and-coming players as well. Let's hope they can get back on their feet and find some stability.
Doesn't matter if they feel now that they aren't getting a market share increase during the contract. That just means they don't renew the contract. You can't just decide in the middle to no longer pay and continue to use their image to sell products and get free exposure during the events.
Why am I not surprised? Unfortunately, Thermaltake isn't exactly well in the computer hardware segment of the industry. Even Cooler Master is thought of more than Thermaltake.
Not sure if this is allowed, so mods please let me know and I will delete this, but if you want to reach out to Ttesports you can email Tony Liu, the person who doesn't want to pay Prime, at -- mod edit --
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
I hope this isn't the end of Prime. Iconic team, and in the wake of IM's demise, will be a huge blow to the Korean scene, even if they aren't really performing up to snuff. Prime spawned a lot of great players and has given chances to many young up-and-coming players as well. Let's hope they can get back on their feet and find some stability.
That's not how the real world works, knowing a small team can't afford anything, so a large company can easily exploit them, that's scumbag crap. TT knows prime can't afford to sue them for what they owe.
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
I hope this isn't the end of Prime. Iconic team, and in the wake of IM's demise, will be a huge blow to the Korean scene, even if they aren't really performing up to snuff. Prime spawned a lot of great players and has given chances to many young up-and-coming players as well. Let's hope they can get back on their feet and find some stability.
That's not how the real world works, knowing a small team can't afford anything, so a large company can easily exploit them, that's scumbag crap. TT knows prime can't afford to sue them for what they owe.
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
I hope this isn't the end of Prime. Iconic team, and in the wake of IM's demise, will be a huge blow to the Korean scene, even if they aren't really performing up to snuff. Prime spawned a lot of great players and has given chances to many young up-and-coming players as well. Let's hope they can get back on their feet and find some stability.
A contract is a contract. Unless there is something Prime didn't fulfill contractually, Tt can't just not pay based on their feelings because they think the team is 'undeserving'.
On July 29 2014 13:58 Whiplash wrote: Honestly though when is the last time you saw a Prime player using any TT equipment?
None of the players like to actually use the TT equipment. The equipment is pretty bad.
Yeah, they seem to get terrible reviews on their equipment, most people only buy their stuff because of Artosis or teams like Prime. I hope Prime gets what they are owed.
What is exacly TT esports? I mean this company isn't that big to simply do thing like that.. It could not be nail to the coffin for Prime, but TTe getting some bad rep right there... Also I can understand this step if the equipment is one big piece of garbage =)) l2make keyboards plz
On July 29 2014 14:44 Pharaphobia wrote: What is exacly TT esports? I mean this company isn't that big to simply do thing like that.. It could not be nail to the coffin for Prime, but TTe getting some bad rep right there... Also I can understand this step if the equipment is one big piece of garbage =)) l2make keyboards plz
From what I have heard they have done this before to other teams. The best way to help is to either email or tweet at them and tell them how you feel on the situation. Also don't buy their products and have others stop buying from them as well.
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
I hope this isn't the end of Prime. Iconic team, and in the wake of IM's demise, will be a huge blow to the Korean scene, even if they aren't really performing up to snuff. Prime spawned a lot of great players and has given chances to many young up-and-coming players as well. Let's hope they can get back on their feet and find some stability.
A contract is a contract. Unless there is something Prime didn't fulfill contractually, Tt can't just not pay based on their feelings because they think the team is 'undeserving'.
If only people didn't read something and immediately jump on the side of it without taking into consideration the other side. Most likely some content creation quota wasn't upheld so they decided to revoke the money.
Also since the amount was not specified/highlighted, it is logical to assume it is a paltry sum. All this announcement does is put out how desperate Prime is for money, they should of just continued privately.
On July 29 2014 15:10 Holdenintherye wrote: Speaking of broken promises from TTesports, did the Artosis keyboard ever come out? It seemed like it was being "designed" forever
Most likely scrapped. Probably a good business decision though (especially now)
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
I hope this isn't the end of Prime. Iconic team, and in the wake of IM's demise, will be a huge blow to the Korean scene, even if they aren't really performing up to snuff. Prime spawned a lot of great players and has given chances to many young up-and-coming players as well. Let's hope they can get back on their feet and find some stability.
A contract is a contract. Unless there is something Prime didn't fulfill contractually, Tt can't just not pay based on their feelings because they think the team is 'undeserving'.
If only people didn't read something and immediately jump on the side of it without taking into consideration the other side. Most likely some content creation quota wasn't upheld so they decided to revoke the money.
Also since the amount was not specified/highlighted, it is logical to assume it is a paltry sum. All this announcement does is put out how desperate Prime is for money, they should of just continued privately.
On July 29 2014 15:10 Holdenintherye wrote: Speaking of broken promises from TTesports, did the Artosis keyboard ever come out? It seemed like it was being "designed" forever
Most likely scrapped. Probably a good business decision though (especially now)
It was being handled privately for some time. No part of the contract stated anything regarding content being created by Prime independently. Prime did everything they were asked to and the decision to not pay is because someone at TT esports did not continue to do his job. TT esports employees messed up and Prime is getting punished.
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
I hope this isn't the end of Prime. Iconic team, and in the wake of IM's demise, will be a huge blow to the Korean scene, even if they aren't really performing up to snuff. Prime spawned a lot of great players and has given chances to many young up-and-coming players as well. Let's hope they can get back on their feet and find some stability.
A contract is a contract. Unless there is something Prime didn't fulfill contractually, Tt can't just not pay based on their feelings because they think the team is 'undeserving'.
If only people didn't read something and immediately jump on the side of it without taking into consideration the other side. Most likely some content creation quota wasn't upheld so they decided to revoke the money.
Also since the amount was not specified/highlighted, it is logical to assume it is a paltry sum. All this announcement does is put out how desperate Prime is for money, they should of just continued privately.
I was responding to vult's comment of "maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money." Not jumping to sides. If Prime didn't fulfill whatever part of their agreement, then of course it's their breach. A contract goes both ways.
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
I hope this isn't the end of Prime. Iconic team, and in the wake of IM's demise, will be a huge blow to the Korean scene, even if they aren't really performing up to snuff. Prime spawned a lot of great players and has given chances to many young up-and-coming players as well. Let's hope they can get back on their feet and find some stability.
A contract is a contract. Unless there is something Prime didn't fulfill contractually, Tt can't just not pay based on their feelings because they think the team is 'undeserving'.
If only people didn't read something and immediately jump on the side of it without taking into consideration the other side. Most likely some content creation quota wasn't upheld so they decided to revoke the money.
Also since the amount was not specified/highlighted, it is logical to assume it is a paltry sum. All this announcement does is put out how desperate Prime is for money, they should of just continued privately.
I was responding to vult's comment of "maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money." Not jumping to sides. If Prime didn't fulfill whatever part of their agreement, then of course it's their breach. A contract goes both ways.
I know exactly what you were responding to. There is no reason to be defensive.
Well, Dont know the full story so I wont take sides, but I do belive eSports is a rather delicate bussiness and very few companies are fully aware of what they are actually sponsoring. The ads and visibility very rarely translate into increased sales as you need your team/player to be constantly visible in order to even show your products.
Note that while we can all guess that a company has enought cash to easy sponsor a team or even 5, the guy who gave the Idea in the first place has to bring results, or they will shut it themselves just to not lose their job.
On July 29 2014 15:19 Agh wrote: If only people didn't read something and immediately jump on the side of it without taking into consideration the other side. Most likely some content creation quota wasn't upheld so they decided to revoke the money.
if this is true then prime is being kinda dishonest by saying "agreed upon money has been withheld" b/c obviously if there is a contract provision to revoke the money you cant call it "agreed upon money".... so either they are getting fucked or they are just starting a shady business feud to stir up drama and support in the scene...
no idea which one, could be either as far as im concerned, thats how things seem to go in e sports
On July 29 2014 15:19 Agh wrote: If only people didn't read something and immediately jump on the side of it without taking into consideration the other side. Most likely some content creation quota wasn't upheld so they decided to revoke the money.
if this is true then prime is being kinda dishonest by saying "agreed upon money has been withheld" b/c obviously if there is a contract provision to revoke the money you cant call it "agreed upon money".... so either they are getting fucked or they are just starting a shady business feud to stir up drama and support in the scene...
no idea which one, could be either as far as im concerned, thats how things seem to go in e sports
Have read through the contract and spoken with TT esports directly. There is nothing in the contract that states a content quota. Prime has done nothing to violate the contract and TT esports just doesn't want to pay them money.
On July 29 2014 15:19 Agh wrote: If only people didn't read something and immediately jump on the side of it without taking into consideration the other side. Most likely some content creation quota wasn't upheld so they decided to revoke the money.
if this is true then prime is being kinda dishonest by saying "agreed upon money has been withheld" b/c obviously if there is a contract provision to revoke the money you cant call it "agreed upon money".... so either they are getting fucked or they are just starting a shady business feud to stir up drama and support in the scene...
no idea which one, could be either as far as im concerned, thats how things seem to go in e sports
Have read through the contract and spoken with TT esports directly. There is nothing in the contract that states a content quota. Prime has done nothing to violate the contract and TT esports just doesn't want to pay them money.
Is there a part of contract?
Governing Law The law of Taiwan shall be the law governing the interpretation of this agreement
I'm looking forward to see Tt eSports response on this case
I don't get those non-payments. They only make sense for the sponsor if they leave the scene and never come back. If that would be the case, ttesports would save the dollars they seem to owe to prime. In any other scenario (correct me if wrong, but I think ttesports still runs Artosis and White-Ra sponsorships?), it's a huge face-loss for the sponsor and a fucked up situation for prime.
On July 29 2014 17:10 boxerfred wrote: I don't get those non-payments. They only make sense for the sponsor if they leave the scene and never come back. If that would be the case, ttesports would save the dollars they seem to owe to prime. In any other scenario (correct me if wrong, but I think ttesports still runs Artosis and White-Ra sponsorships?), it's a huge face-loss for the sponsor and a fucked up situation for prime.
And leaving eSport when making eSport Gears would be kinda weird right ?
A lot of you guys posting in here don't seem to understand the real world or major companies, large businesses do this all the time, it's far more common in Esports because they can get away with it majority of the time. Big companies taking advantage of small teams, low funded businesses happen every day.
If you read the OP, Prime did everything they were suppose to, they just did not receive payment.
A lot of you guys posting in here don't seem to understand the real world or major companies, large businesses do this all the time, it's far more common in Esports because they can get away with it majority of the time. Big companies taking advantage of small teams, low funded businesses happen every day.
If you read the OP, Prime did everything they were suppose to, they just did not receive payment.
Yes, but just because every day war crimes happen, should we then approve them? The fact we deem this action as unjust doesn't mean we are naive.
Yes this happens all the time in the business world. But most businesses don't have a bunch of angry pre-pubescent boys rallying behind their cause. A big mistake from Tt. A good section of their customer base will boycott them now.
Let's see how this works out. I'm positive that both parties will reach an agreement soon, especially considering how heavily invested Tt is in competitive gaming.
Gj Tt................ making e-Sports look like a joke. Now I know I won't buy anything from them atleast. (Unless they man up and pay all the money they owe and never do crap like this again).
KeSPA will get involved with this I guess. Would love for something like it to rise in the west, but unfortunately it's a ton easier when KeSPA only have to handle koreans, and not 50 of the other foreigner nationalities :/
I hope KeSPA gets involved. And now I remember one reason to like KeSPA. I know there are more, but, I have lingering jadedness toward them, from BW days. And because they still penalize people for saying gg in the wrong language etc. K I feel jaded again.
On July 29 2014 13:58 Whiplash wrote: Honestly though when is the last time you saw a Prime player using any TT equipment?
None of the players like to actually use the TT equipment. The equipment is pretty bad.
I don't know if you've ever used any of the TT equipment, but the Theron mouse is pretty much the best mouse I've ever laid my hands on, literally feels like an extension of my hand.
Also I hope this gets rectified quickly, I respect TT as a company and would hate for something like this to damage that.
I have been speaking with them on the phone and skype. I am waiting for their official statement regarding this situation from their lawyer.
Not trying to sound rude but can you maby introduce your self?
You seem to know pretty much everything that is involved with this drama.
Also I hope kespa can do something for prime:/
It's not rude to ask. I'm not a prominent figure in e-Sports and I honestly prefer it that way. But my name is Stephen and I work on the business team at KeSPA. I deal with all the foreign companies, PR, and stream. Since TT esports is a Taiwan based company I have been the person speaking with them for the past 2 weeks to resolve this issue without having to go through other legal channels. I have discussed the contract extensively with TT esports and can guarantee that Prime has done nothing to violate the contract and has always been very quick to send whatever they were asked.
The biggest issue within e-Sports right now is that companies think they can just do what they want. They don't fear any repercussions for violating a contract and not paying because they don't think they have to. However, even if these companies can get away with it with no repercussions in other places in the world, KeSPA won't let this happen in Korea and to our teams. For the sake of creating a strong e-Sport environment around the world it is up to fans to not allow things like this to pass. In the end the fans are the strongest voice in e-sports. You pay money to buy the products, you watch the games, and you are the reason e-Sports exists. You can voice your opinion by posting to their twitter or facebook and by not buying their products. Save e-Sports by complaining to Tt esports and not buying their products.
I just posted this on their Facebook account. I guess that's the only thing i can do for Prime:
" Why are you guys not paying up the Sponsorship funds for SC2 Team Prime? Are you guys not ashamed after 2.5 years of working together, to breach the sponsorship contract like that? I'm a big fan of SC2 White-ra and was considering to buy your content, but after reading this I won't.
To be honest, it is a little bit weird for Tt to sign such a long term contract(2.5 years) with Prime, especially considering Prime was always one of the most unstable teams in eSF... Maybe Tt never have the desire to fulfill the whole contract even at the beginning.
However, as a veteran SC2 fan who have followed for 4 years, I really hope Prime's situation can get better and better. We have seen too many teams disbanded these years.
To be honest, Tt eSports is the least professional and most disorganized of all the gaming peripheral companies. I'm only speaking from experience dealing with their North American office, mind you. Their North American office has been a complete mess for several years, they haven't had a stable esports/marketing person (they've had 5 people since 2011 hold the job); and they usually take anyone competent and send them to the global office (Eric).
To give some more info and a story - we, CSL were sponsored by Tt eSports in 2011 and renewed the sponsorship in 2012. They had committed 10k for our finals, which was live in Florida with Day9 casting. The reason was they were planning a new product launch around that time, in June, and wanted to put a lot of marketing into promotion of the product in NA, a strategy they haven't really done before (most of their focus has been in Asia, where they're really big). Everything was cool, this was all agreed upon by their NA director at the time.
Two weeks before the final, we got notice that 'oh, our product launch date changed so we aren't putting in this budget.' Just like that we lost half our budget for the event, everything (production, casting, had already been paid out of my pocket. We scrambled to figure out a solution and escalated the issue up to their global office and we ended up getting 3k out of them. We ran a fundraiser via TL and ended up raising 5k to cover most of the player flights and it ended up being a fun event, but that was the end of our relationship with Tt eSports.
We've worked with Razer since then and they've been very professional and awesome. <3 Razer
On July 30 2014 01:03 Xeris wrote: To be honest, Tt eSports is the least professional and most disorganized of all the gaming peripheral companies. I'm only speaking from experience dealing with their North American office, mind you. Their North American office has been a complete mess for several years, they haven't had a stable esports/marketing person (they've had 5 people since 2011 hold the job); and they usually take anyone competent and send them to the global office (Eric).
To give some more info and a story - we, CSL were sponsored by Tt eSports in 2011 and renewed the sponsorship in 2012. They had committed 10k for our finals, which was live in Florida with Day9 casting. The reason was they were planning a new product launch around that time, in June, and wanted to put a lot of marketing into promotion of the product in NA, a strategy they haven't really done before (most of their focus has been in Asia, where they're really big). Everything was cool, this was all agreed upon by their NA director at the time.
Two weeks before the final, we got notice that 'oh, our product launch date changed so we aren't putting in this budget.' Just like that we lost half our budget for the event, everything (production, casting, had already been paid out of my pocket. We scrambled to figure out a solution and escalated the issue up to their global office and we ended up getting 3k out of them. We ran a fundraiser via TL and ended up raising 5k to cover most of the player flights and it ended up being a fun event, but that was the end of our relationship with Tt eSports.
We've worked with Razer since then and they've been very professional and awesome. <3 Razer
Wow, it's pretty bad by them indeed. Glad it worked out for you nonetheless.
I hope Prime will get their money, it d be sad if they disbanded. And also Tt cannot just break a contract like that in all impunity!
I use a TT esports mechanical keyboard myself. If I can afford to buy a different brand mechanical keyboard - I would. Not that I'm complaining my current one is bad, it works fine. I'd be willing to dump my current one and use the other instead just as a message that what they are doing to PRIME is wrong. PRIME isn't the guilty party here and they get robbed of funds to barely survive off one of their few if only sponsors.
We should really have an eSports community-wide 'blacklist' of known disreputable vendors/organizations/entities. And we should encourage transparency among all members of our community about this kind of thing. So many people are silent, for whatever reason. Then you just see people saying "yeah this is how things go in our community" and nothing changes. Awareness is a first step in combating these kinds of things. Professional industries have the means to prevent or rectify thievery and failure to abide by legally binding contracts. Why is our community continuously susceptible to these basic exploits, where-as more developed industries are not? What is the distance between us, and how do we cover it?
Being the ex-owner of CheckSix Gaming, I can say that Ttesports was close to a year late on their payment for the last 4 months of the contract term. I can back up what Xeris claimed about the NA region. For about 6 months TteSports didn't even have North American staff. They turned over all of their regional employees and had all NA business reverted back to Corporate.
I hope everything works out for Prime. Most of us in eSports are definitely no stranger to situations similar to this. Kudos to Kespa for attempting to resolve the situation. Best wishes.
On July 29 2014 14:03 tomastaz wrote: I was thinking of getting a Prime Keyboard because they looked cool. Fuck all that now
Saving e-sports 1 keyboard at a time
Hell yeah. I'll be buying Axiom's WASD when their Cherry Browns are back in stock
Just wondering. Around how much does sales through the team site or links help the team? I was thinking about upgrading my peripherals but the price difference isn't small between online retailers and the team.
TTesports also is involved with a lot of other teams and players.. This is bad PR for TT too, I highly doubt they'd do this just to fuck prime over. Sucks. Again.
On July 30 2014 08:06 Thalandros wrote: TTesports also is involved with a lot of other teams and players.. This is bad PR for TT too, I highly doubt they'd do this just to fuck prime over. Sucks. Again.
TT Esports already has a shaky reputation, they done stuff like this in the past when they feel like their product won't be marketed ECT, pretty bad business, but this time they went a bit far breaking contract.
On July 30 2014 00:09 Timmsh wrote: I just posted this on their Facebook account. I guess that's the only thing i can do for Prime:
" Why are you guys not paying up the Sponsorship funds for SC2 Team Prime? Are you guys not ashamed after 2.5 years of working together, to breach the sponsorship contract like that? I'm a big fan of SC2 White-ra and was considering to buy your content, but after reading this I won't.
On July 29 2014 14:03 tomastaz wrote: I was thinking of getting a Prime Keyboard because they looked cool. Fuck all that now
Saving e-sports 1 keyboard at a time
Hell yeah. I'll be buying Axiom's WASD when their Cherry Browns are back in stock
Just wondering. Around how much does sales through the team site or links help the team? I was thinking about upgrading my peripherals but the price difference isn't small between online retailers and the team.
I'm not sure. Is there a way to mention Totalbiscuit to alert him?
On July 29 2014 14:03 tomastaz wrote: I was thinking of getting a Prime Keyboard because they looked cool. Fuck all that now
Saving e-sports 1 keyboard at a time
Hell yeah. I'll be buying Axiom's WASD when their Cherry Browns are back in stock
Just wondering. Around how much does sales through the team site or links help the team? I was thinking about upgrading my peripherals but the price difference isn't small between online retailers and the team.
I'm not sure. Is there a way to mention Totalbiscuit to alert him?
Tweet him, he is quite active there and I'm sure he would give you a response for that.
On July 30 2014 01:43 yoshi245 wrote: I use a TT esports mechanical keyboard myself. If I can afford to buy a different brand mechanical keyboard - I would. Not that I'm complaining my current one is bad, it works fine. I'd be willing to dump my current one and use the other instead just as a message that what they are doing to PRIME is wrong. PRIME isn't the guilty party here and they get robbed of funds to barely survive off one of their few if only sponsors.
They already got your money, why not just use it until it breaks then buy a different brand next time?
On July 29 2014 14:03 tomastaz wrote: I was thinking of getting a Prime Keyboard because they looked cool. Fuck all that now
Saving e-sports 1 keyboard at a time
Hell yeah. I'll be buying Axiom's WASD when their Cherry Browns are back in stock
Just wondering. Around how much does sales through the team site or links help the team? I was thinking about upgrading my peripherals but the price difference isn't small between online retailers and the team.
They don't track purchases of non-Axiom products to the best of my knowledge, however purchase of the Axiom keyboard, keycap or keycap full set gets us a percentage.
Well company would not say "We are broke..." they gonna be misting around until the very late moment which is sad, but I can understand that... Anyone know if Prime is at least okayish with money?
On July 30 2014 14:36 Pharaphobia wrote: Well company would not say "We are broke..." they gonna be misting around until the very late moment which is sad, but I can understand that... Anyone know if Prime is at least okayish with money?
To be honest it doesn't explain anyting else in deph... o.o/
Interesting, I don't agree with Tt for not paying, but their reason has merit. We all agree that Prime hasn't been performing very well, so it isn't unreasonable for sponsors to be upset. However, if Tt did realize the marketing benefits that Prime has to offer, perhaps they would see Prime as a friend.
I want to ask all of you Prime fans, to stop bashing or demanding something from Tt through social media. Instead, please use the power of social media to sway Tt's decision and pay Prime.
Tell them, in your own words, how much you love Prime; tell them what item you bought; take a picture of it. And send it to them.
We should use a hashtag and promote it. I am not good at creating catchy hashtags, but my only suggestion is #payBackPrime. Someone else could create something better.
I hate the pitchfork attempt when someone doesn't pay someone else. I want to try another approach. Maybe if Tt realized that Prime has some deep roots and connections to its fans, they would see the benefits of paying back Prime.
Now after we try my attempt, and Tt still refuses to pay Prime, then we shall raise the biggest shit storm of social media that Tt has ever experienced.
If anyone has searched Tt through facebook, they have many channels in different languages and purposes. We should write on every single page demanding payment AND apology to Prime. If they don't pay, we stop buying Tt stuff. Write it in your language also.
And I will start.
I am planning on building a computer in the next week. If Tt doesn't pay Prime, I will not buy their products. My budget is about 1k, and I was having trouble deciding what parts I want.
Now Tt has made my decision easier, by nearly eliminating themselves from my list.
So everyone, if we want to create change, we have to be the change.
I heard someone recommend smashing their Tt keyboard. Lol do it! And show your new replacement!
I know I wrote a lot, and some of it will be bad grammar, but I really hate this kind of shit. The scams embedded in this industry has to stop, and I know I'm not the only one who gets really upset about it. So thank you for reading this, and please reply if you are on board with my plan.
I don't agree with the logic that if Prime's performance isn't sufficient, ttesports just withholds their payment. Their results has never been part of the contract, and to get your name out, you don't really need results. You just need a big fanbase (which can be based on your results), but i don't know if this is the case for Prime.
On July 30 2014 17:08 Taefox wrote: You guys don't even read or see the reply from Tt eSports yet but overreacting a lot
No. This is pretty healthy. Sponsors will see that teams do mean something to the community, and thus think twice if they don't fulfill their contracts.
Well, Tt eSports owes Prime an explanation because Tt eSports did not fulfil the agreements in the contract. I think Prime made their problems public because Tt eSports refuses to give that explanation.
I'm not on Tt eSports side, nor Prime but I would like to point out:
- Why Prime doesn't public the reasons from Tt eSports? What are the reason exactly? - The article is one side story from Korean news and Prime while there aren't any articles on Taiwan news sites (such as http://www.esports.com.tw/news.php) - Tt eSports is still sponsoring the other pro teams and players, so I don't think they will keep being silent on this case which is hurting their reputation.
Normally it will take a short time from a huge company like Tt eSports to respond on this matter (Trust me, they're very careful of wat they're gonna say) so take a chill and let's see
On July 30 2014 22:18 Taefox wrote: I'm not on Tt eSports side, nor Prime but I would like to point out:
- Why Prime doesn't public the reasons from Tt eSports? What are the reason exactly? - The article is one side story from Korean news and Prime while there aren't any articles on Taiwan news sites (such as http://www.esports.com.tw/news.php) - Tt eSports is still sponsoring the other pro teams and players, so I don't think they will keep being silent on this case which is hurting their reputation.
Normally it will take a short time from a huge company like Tt eSports to respond on this matter (Trust me, they're very careful of wat they're gonna say) so take a chill and let's see
Yes and since there is no official statement, even after they got contacted by other news pages to release a statement (ongamers f.e.), you can expect, that you won´t get a satisfying reason from tt. They might be upset with results by Prime. And yeah, that´s totally valid, then you don´t extend your contract and let it run out. But you don´t break contracts, you already made. This just makes the whole professional esport thing completely senseless.
To be honest it doesn't explain anyting else in deph... o.o/
Interesting, I don't agree with Tt for not paying, but their reason has merit. We all agree that Prime hasn't been performing very well, so it isn't unreasonable for sponsors to be upset. However, if Tt did realize the marketing benefits that Prime has to offer, perhaps they would see Prime as a friend.
No, Tt's reason doesn't have merit unless a performance clause was put into the contract, which it wasn't going by what others have said. You can't just sponsor a team and then stop paying when the team starts sucking.
Prime has been through so much and they have the most resilient players and manager, hope they can get through this. I don't want Prime to disband D: I also wish the Prime winter uniforms were still on sale, they look so sexy
Just take a legal actions and don't make this fucking public.
You don't need to shit on the name of ttesport for free like that, really a shitty move from prime. You don't recieve a payment ? Fine ! First try to negotiate then if it was not successful engage legal procedure and THEN if the verdict feels unbalanced to you make it public.
On August 15 2014 09:19 shid0x wrote: Just take a legal actions and don't make this fucking public.
You don't need to shit on the name of ttesport for free like that, really a shitty move from prime. You don't recieve a payment ? Fine ! First try to negotiate then if it was not successful engage legal procedure and THEN if the verdict feels unbalanced to you make it public.
Perhaps simply paying the money they promised could solve the problem beforehand? Legal action is difficult, time-consuming and potentially expensive. Prime can't make that happen easily, if at all.
On August 15 2014 09:19 shid0x wrote: Just take a legal actions and don't make this fucking public.
You don't need to shit on the name of ttesport for free like that, really a shitty move from prime. You don't recieve a payment ? Fine ! First try to negotiate then if it was not successful engage legal procedure and THEN if the verdict feels unbalanced to you make it public.
It was being handled privately for quite some time... read the thread before posting ignorant posts. Chuddinator has stated that Prime tried to handle it privately before in this very thread.
On August 15 2014 09:19 shid0x wrote: Just take a legal actions and don't make this fucking public.
Taking legal action is expensive though and I question whether Prime could afford to do so.
KeSPA hopefully have got Prime's back. I know Chuddinator earlier in the thread was mentioning how he was on the phone and having Skype calls with TteSports. I'm just hoping this all has been/gets resolved and Prime get the money they are owed.
I have been speaking with them on the phone and skype. I am waiting for their official statement regarding this situation from their lawyer.
Not trying to sound rude but can you maby introduce your self?
You seem to know pretty much everything that is involved with this drama.
Also I hope kespa can do something for prime:/
You can voice your opinion by posting to their twitter or facebook and by not buying their products. Save e-Sports by complaining to Tt esports and not buying their products.
I'm sorry Mr KeSPA guy but you sound very unprofessional. I'll clarify why but let me first say I am not a fan of neither Prime nor Tt e-Sports.
So you say you're talking to Tt e-Sports on phone and Skype to resolve this, right? Obviously, it seems you have not reached the final stage of talks, so you've not exhausted communication yet. On the other hand, you propose boycott of their products right away before anything is finalised. Do you need an example why this is stupid or do you see it now?
On July 29 2014 13:58 Whiplash wrote: Honestly though when is the last time you saw a Prime player using any TT equipment?
None of the players like to actually use the TT equipment. The equipment is pretty bad.
And keep it to yourself. You make e-Sports look bad if you say players don't like their sponsor's stuff. You look bad to any potential sponsor. Even if they don't like their sponsor's material, DON'T make it public. SC2 is at a stage where it needs more sponsors and you do exactly the opposite with revelations like in the last quote.
Honestly, with rushed and tactless statements like that, you're the one that makes e-Sports look like a joke.
Edit: How are you in the KeSPA business team with aggressive posts like that? If you were an SC2 fan, I would understand. However, you're expected to be more diplomatic and more considerate.
On August 15 2014 09:19 shid0x wrote: Just take a legal actions and don't make this fucking public.
You don't need to shit on the name of ttesport for free like that, really a shitty move from prime. You don't recieve a payment ? Fine ! First try to negotiate then if it was not successful engage legal procedure and THEN if the verdict feels unbalanced to you make it public.
Such a stupid mentality. Don't shit on their name, even though they didn't pay!
I have been speaking with them on the phone and skype. I am waiting for their official statement regarding this situation from their lawyer.
Not trying to sound rude but can you maby introduce your self?
You seem to know pretty much everything that is involved with this drama.
Also I hope kespa can do something for prime:/
You can voice your opinion by posting to their twitter or facebook and by not buying their products. Save e-Sports by complaining to Tt esports and not buying their products.
I'm sorry Mr KeSPA guy but you sound very unprofessional. I'll clarify why but let me first say I am not a fan of neither Prime nor Tt e-Sports.
So you say you're talking to Tt e-Sports on phone and Skype to resolve this, right? Obviously, it seems you have not reached the final stage of talks, so you've not exhausted communication yet. On the other hand, you propose boycott of their products right away before anything is finalised. Do you need an example why this is stupid or do you see it now?
On July 29 2014 13:58 Whiplash wrote: Honestly though when is the last time you saw a Prime player using any TT equipment?
None of the players like to actually use the TT equipment. The equipment is pretty bad.
And keep it to yourself. You make e-Sports look bad if you say players don't like their sponsor's stuff. You look bad to any potential sponsor. Even if they don't like their sponsor's material, DON'T make it public. SC2 is at a stage where it needs more sponsors and you do exactly the opposite with revelations like in the last quote.
Honestly, with rushed and tactless statements like that, you're the one that makes e-Sports look like a joke.
Edit: How are you in the KeSPA business team with aggressive posts like that? If you were an SC2 fan, I would understand. However, you're expected to be more diplomatic and more considerate.
I'm sorry, you want sponsors who don't pay what they owe to continue to sabotage SC2 teams?
Nobody's saying bad things about reliable sponsors (who may or may not have shitty gear). Sponsors with shitty gear who pay their teams have nothing to worry about. Sponsors with shitty gear who don't intend to pay their teams, on the other hand... won't be missed.
From Gerrard (Prime staff) "A signature-seeking campaign - TT e-sports didn't paid out the funds they agreed to support Prime and don't say anymore about it after the contract ended. TT e-sports must pay the funds they promised!!!. Dear global e-sports fans, please help us. This kind of matter must not happen again for e-sports' growth, not anymore!!! // Content of a body = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463461-tt-esports-withholding-payments-from-prime[3] // Writing on TTesports Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TteSPORTS[4]"
On August 28 2014 06:35 Crot4le wrote: From Gerrard (Prime staff) "A signature-seeking campaign - TT e-sports didn't paid out the funds they agreed to support Prime and don't say anymore about it after the contract ended. TT e-sports must pay the funds they promised!!!. Dear global e-sports fans, please help us. This kind of matter must not happen again for e-sports' growth, not anymore!!! // Content of a body = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463461-tt-esports-withholding-payments-from-prime[3] // Writing on TTesports Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TteSPORTS[4]"
We don't know what the agreement said, if clauses existed that TT e-sports felt Prime was in violation of, etc. All of the discussion is purely speculative, when you don't have the signed agreement to look at.
On August 28 2014 06:35 Crot4le wrote: From Gerrard (Prime staff) "A signature-seeking campaign - TT e-sports didn't paid out the funds they agreed to support Prime and don't say anymore about it after the contract ended. TT e-sports must pay the funds they promised!!!. Dear global e-sports fans, please help us. This kind of matter must not happen again for e-sports' growth, not anymore!!! // Content of a body = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463461-tt-esports-withholding-payments-from-prime[3] // Writing on TTesports Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TteSPORTS[4]"
We don't know what the agreement said, if clauses existed that TT e-sports felt Prime was in violation of, etc. All of the discussion is purely speculative, when you don't have the signed agreement to look at.
dude read the thread
unless you think kespa is actively lying in posts on tl to drum up irrelevant support from tl posters
On August 28 2014 06:35 Crot4le wrote: From Gerrard (Prime staff) "A signature-seeking campaign - TT e-sports didn't paid out the funds they agreed to support Prime and don't say anymore about it after the contract ended. TT e-sports must pay the funds they promised!!!. Dear global e-sports fans, please help us. This kind of matter must not happen again for e-sports' growth, not anymore!!! // Content of a body = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463461-tt-esports-withholding-payments-from-prime[3] // Writing on TTesports Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TteSPORTS[4]"
We don't know what the agreement said, if clauses existed that TT e-sports felt Prime was in violation of, etc. All of the discussion is purely speculative, when you don't have the signed agreement to look at.
dude read the thread
unless you think kespa is actively lying in posts on tl to drum up irrelevant support from tl posters
this has already been addressed
Or you can read my post. Speculation from a Kespa representative doesn't constitute the agreement made for public view.
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
even if sponsoring prime decreases their market share they're obliged to pay what's defined in the contract.
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money.
even if sponsoring prime decreases their market share they're obliged to pay what's defined in the contract.
What's with the "Lets all bend over for e-sports" crew?
This is non-payment from Jan - Apr this year. The prime statement is from the end of July, shortly after we have a KeSPA representative saying they've been in talks for two weeks. A month later all we have from Thermaltake is "We didn't get the exposure we expected" which is not a reason, it's a poor excuse. If Prime had given them more exposure than they expected what are the chances that Prime would have got a bonus not stipulated in the contract?
For the "pro bizznezzmenz" who still think this is ok I'll explain how it works in grown up land.
A contract is a contract is a contract.
And yes, people renege on contracts because legal fees act as a barrier to ensuring the fulfilment of a broken contract, especially when the sums involved are small. However that doesn't make reneging on contracts normal, healthy or justifiable.
If you want companies to look at the scene and think they can unilaterally throw contracts in the toilet then sure, support Thermaltake. If you want to live up to the reputation of a young, connected, well educated, rabidly loyal audience then do the rabidly loyal, well educated, connected, young thing and go on Thermaltake's face book and let them know you will be boycotting them until such time as they pay Prime. You won't just be sending a message to Thermaltake, you'll be sending a message to all sponsers: Don't fuck with our guys.
According to Gerrard Prime this is the place to go to tell them to start behaving like a company you want to buy products from : https://www.facebook.com/TteSPORTS
On August 28 2014 06:35 Crot4le wrote: From Gerrard (Prime staff) "A signature-seeking campaign - TT e-sports didn't paid out the funds they agreed to support Prime and don't say anymore about it after the contract ended. TT e-sports must pay the funds they promised!!!. Dear global e-sports fans, please help us. This kind of matter must not happen again for e-sports' growth, not anymore!!! // Content of a body = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463461-tt-esports-withholding-payments-from-prime[3] // Writing on TTesports Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TteSPORTS[4]"
We don't know what the agreement said, if clauses existed that TT e-sports felt Prime was in violation of, etc. All of the discussion is purely speculative, when you don't have the signed agreement to look at.
dude read the thread
unless you think kespa is actively lying in posts on tl to drum up irrelevant support from tl posters
this has already been addressed
Or you can read my post. Speculation from a Kespa representative doesn't constitute the agreement made for public view.
What are you expecting? Prime posting a pdf of the entire agreement along with their internal audited expenditures w/ bank account information? Even with formal legal charges and a court ruling the public doesn't get to see any of that.
I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
are you david kim? how do you even type so much without saying literally anything of value
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
are you david kim? how do you even type so much without saying literally anything of value
Do you know who I am? I work for TeSL as a World of Tanks caster. A huge chunk of PC peripherals companies are based out in Taiwan: NVIDIA, BenQ, TTeSports (Thermaltake), CM Storm (Cooler Master), ROCCAT, Zowie, Netgear, Acer, MSI, and Zotac and these are just the ones that I have seen with my own two eyes.
What I am telling you is that if you get in with one or two of these companies, you start getting more and more information about things that are going on. I work for one of the companies listed above as an eSports community manager. These companies all keep track of each other and their business. Not only that, but this is a painfully small social circle. It feels like a church community when you are going to many different events in three months where sponsors have booths set up with their products on display and other representatives from each company show up. You see the same faces. All the time.
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
are you david kim? how do you even type so much without saying literally anything of value
Do you know who I am? I work for TeSL as a World of Tanks caster. A huge chunk of PC peripherals companies are based out in Taiwan: NVIDIA, BenQ, TTeSports (Thermaltake), CM Storm (Cooler Master), ROCCAT, Zowie, Netgear, Acer, MSI, and Zotac and these are just the ones that I have seen with my own two eyes.
What I am telling you is that if you get in with one or two of these companies, you start getting more and more information about things that are going on. I work for one of the companies listed above as an eSports community manager. These companies all keep track of each other and their business. Not only that, but this is a painfully small social circle. It feels like a church community when you are going to many different events in three months where sponsors have booths set up with their products on display and other representatives from each company show up. You see the same faces. All the time.
TL;DR - I know more stuff. Can't talk about it.
Regardless of your standing in esport, Chaggi has a point. You've written two paragraphs which add nothing to discussion. Good for you that you know more about the situation than the regular poster! If you're not going to share that information or add something to the discussion then why bother posting in this thread?
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
are you david kim? how do you even type so much without saying literally anything of value
Do you know who I am? I work for TeSL as a World of Tanks caster. A huge chunk of PC peripherals companies are based out in Taiwan: NVIDIA, BenQ, TTeSports (Thermaltake), CM Storm (Cooler Master), ROCCAT, Zowie, Netgear, Acer, MSI, and Zotac and these are just the ones that I have seen with my own two eyes.
What I am telling you is that if you get in with one or two of these companies, you start getting more and more information about things that are going on. I work for one of the companies listed above as an eSports community manager. These companies all keep track of each other and their business. Not only that, but this is a painfully small social circle. It feels like a church community when you are going to many different events in three months where sponsors have booths set up with their products on display and other representatives from each company show up. You see the same faces. All the time.
TL;DR - I know more stuff. Can't talk about it.
Regardless of your standing in esport, Chaggi has a point. You've written two paragraphs which add nothing to discussion. Good for you that you know more about the situation than the regular poster! If you're not going to share that information or add something to the discussion then why bother posting in this thread?
Haha plexa, my thoughts exactly. His point was that you typed words but didn't say anything. And yeah... saying "Do you know who I am?" is kind of a douche move.
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
are you david kim? how do you even type so much without saying literally anything of value
Do you know who I am? I work for TeSL as a World of Tanks caster. A huge chunk of PC peripherals companies are based out in Taiwan: NVIDIA, BenQ, TTeSports (Thermaltake), CM Storm (Cooler Master), ROCCAT, Zowie, Netgear, Acer, MSI, and Zotac and these are just the ones that I have seen with my own two eyes.
What I am telling you is that if you get in with one or two of these companies, you start getting more and more information about things that are going on. I work for one of the companies listed above as an eSports community manager. These companies all keep track of each other and their business. Not only that, but this is a painfully small social circle. It feels like a church community when you are going to many different events in three months where sponsors have booths set up with their products on display and other representatives from each company show up. You see the same faces. All the time.
TL;DR - I know more stuff. Can't talk about it.
Regardless of your standing in esport, Chaggi has a point. You've written two paragraphs which add nothing to discussion. Good for you that you know more about the situation than the regular poster! If you're not going to share that information or add something to the discussion then why bother posting in this thread?
Haha plexa, my thoughts exactly. His point was that you typed words but didn't say anything. And yeah... saying "Do you know who I am?" is kind of a douche move.
Alright. Not the first time I've left people with a cliffhanger. I'll just keep my words to myself. Or start getting in to eSports-press.
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
are you david kim? how do you even type so much without saying literally anything of value
Do you know who I am? I work for TeSL as a World of Tanks caster. A huge chunk of PC peripherals companies are based out in Taiwan: NVIDIA, BenQ, TTeSports (Thermaltake), CM Storm (Cooler Master), ROCCAT, Zowie, Netgear, Acer, MSI, and Zotac and these are just the ones that I have seen with my own two eyes.
What I am telling you is that if you get in with one or two of these companies, you start getting more and more information about things that are going on. I work for one of the companies listed above as an eSports community manager. These companies all keep track of each other and their business. Not only that, but this is a painfully small social circle. It feels like a church community when you are going to many different events in three months where sponsors have booths set up with their products on display and other representatives from each company show up. You see the same faces. All the time.
TL;DR - I know more stuff. Can't talk about it.
Regardless of your standing in esport, Chaggi has a point. You've written two paragraphs which add nothing to discussion. Good for you that you know more about the situation than the regular poster! If you're not going to share that information or add something to the discussion then why bother posting in this thread?
Haha plexa, my thoughts exactly. His point was that you typed words but didn't say anything. And yeah... saying "Do you know who I am?" is kind of a douche move.
Alright. Not the first time I've left people with a cliffhanger. I'll just keep my words to myself. Or start getting in to eSports-press.
Don't think people are as perturbed by the fact that you didn't share information as they are how you made yourself seem like such an ass. There are a lot of people behind the scenes and in the spotlight that make eSports such a good product to view and experience. It's not necessary to state your role in a way that comes across egotistical and self-absorbed. My two cents. Thank you for your contribution to the community, though.
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
are you david kim? how do you even type so much without saying literally anything of value
Do you know who I am? I work for TeSL as a World of Tanks caster. A huge chunk of PC peripherals companies are based out in Taiwan: NVIDIA, BenQ, TTeSports (Thermaltake), CM Storm (Cooler Master), ROCCAT, Zowie, Netgear, Acer, MSI, and Zotac and these are just the ones that I have seen with my own two eyes.
What I am telling you is that if you get in with one or two of these companies, you start getting more and more information about things that are going on. I work for one of the companies listed above as an eSports community manager. These companies all keep track of each other and their business. Not only that, but this is a painfully small social circle. It feels like a church community when you are going to many different events in three months where sponsors have booths set up with their products on display and other representatives from each company show up. You see the same faces. All the time.
TL;DR - I know more stuff. Can't talk about it.
Regardless of your standing in esport, Chaggi has a point. You've written two paragraphs which add nothing to discussion. Good for you that you know more about the situation than the regular poster! If you're not going to share that information or add something to the discussion then why bother posting in this thread?
Haha plexa, my thoughts exactly. His point was that you typed words but didn't say anything. And yeah... saying "Do you know who I am?" is kind of a douche move.
Alright. Not the first time I've left people with a cliffhanger. I'll just keep my words to myself. Or start getting in to eSports-press.
Don't think people are as perturbed by the fact that you didn't share information as they are how you made yourself seem like such an ass. There are a lot of people behind the scenes and in the spotlight that make eSports such a good product to view and experience. It's not necessary to state your role in a way that comes across egotistical and self-absorbed. My two cents. Thank you for your contribution to the community, though.
Are you Andrew? I think I got you on skype bro. haha.
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
are you david kim? how do you even type so much without saying literally anything of value
Do you know who I am? I work for TeSL as a World of Tanks caster. A huge chunk of PC peripherals companies are based out in Taiwan: NVIDIA, BenQ, TTeSports (Thermaltake), CM Storm (Cooler Master), ROCCAT, Zowie, Netgear, Acer, MSI, and Zotac and these are just the ones that I have seen with my own two eyes.
What I am telling you is that if you get in with one or two of these companies, you start getting more and more information about things that are going on. I work for one of the companies listed above as an eSports community manager. These companies all keep track of each other and their business. Not only that, but this is a painfully small social circle. It feels like a church community when you are going to many different events in three months where sponsors have booths set up with their products on display and other representatives from each company show up. You see the same faces. All the time.
TL;DR - I know more stuff. Can't talk about it.
Regardless of your standing in esport, Chaggi has a point. You've written two paragraphs which add nothing to discussion. Good for you that you know more about the situation than the regular poster! If you're not going to share that information or add something to the discussion then why bother posting in this thread?
Haha plexa, my thoughts exactly. His point was that you typed words but didn't say anything. And yeah... saying "Do you know who I am?" is kind of a douche move.
Alright. Not the first time I've left people with a cliffhanger. I'll just keep my words to myself. Or start getting in to eSports-press.
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
are you david kim? how do you even type so much without saying literally anything of value
Do you know who I am? I work for TeSL as a World of Tanks caster. A huge chunk of PC peripherals companies are based out in Taiwan: NVIDIA, BenQ, TTeSports (Thermaltake), CM Storm (Cooler Master), ROCCAT, Zowie, Netgear, Acer, MSI, and Zotac and these are just the ones that I have seen with my own two eyes.
What I am telling you is that if you get in with one or two of these companies, you start getting more and more information about things that are going on. I work for one of the companies listed above as an eSports community manager. These companies all keep track of each other and their business. Not only that, but this is a painfully small social circle. It feels like a church community when you are going to many different events in three months where sponsors have booths set up with their products on display and other representatives from each company show up. You see the same faces. All the time.
On August 28 2014 06:35 Crot4le wrote: From Gerrard (Prime staff) "A signature-seeking campaign - TT e-sports didn't paid out the funds they agreed to support Prime and don't say anymore about it after the contract ended. TT e-sports must pay the funds they promised!!!. Dear global e-sports fans, please help us. This kind of matter must not happen again for e-sports' growth, not anymore!!! // Content of a body = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463461-tt-esports-withholding-payments-from-prime[3] // Writing on TTesports Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TteSPORTS[4]"
We don't know what the agreement said, if clauses existed that TT e-sports felt Prime was in violation of, etc. All of the discussion is purely speculative, when you don't have the signed agreement to look at.
dude read the thread
unless you think kespa is actively lying in posts on tl to drum up irrelevant support from tl posters
this has already been addressed
Or you can read my post. Speculation from a Kespa representative doesn't constitute the agreement made for public view.
What are you expecting? Prime posting a pdf of the entire agreement along with their internal audited expenditures w/ bank account information? Even with formal legal charges and a court ruling the public doesn't get to see any of that.
No I don't expect that. But calling a Kespa rep's word perfectly good is too vague for me to jump on the TT esports smear campaign. You don't know both sides of the story so I would caution before grabbing your pitchforks just because someone on social media says to.
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
are you david kim? how do you even type so much without saying literally anything of value
Do you know who I am? I work for TeSL as a World of Tanks caster. A huge chunk of PC peripherals companies are based out in Taiwan: NVIDIA, BenQ, TTeSports (Thermaltake), CM Storm (Cooler Master), ROCCAT, Zowie, Netgear, Acer, MSI, and Zotac and these are just the ones that I have seen with my own two eyes.
What I am telling you is that if you get in with one or two of these companies, you start getting more and more information about things that are going on. I work for one of the companies listed above as an eSports community manager. These companies all keep track of each other and their business. Not only that, but this is a painfully small social circle. It feels like a church community when you are going to many different events in three months where sponsors have booths set up with their products on display and other representatives from each company show up. You see the same faces. All the time.
TL;DR - I know more stuff. Can't talk about it.
Regardless of your standing in esport, Chaggi has a point. You've written two paragraphs which add nothing to discussion. Good for you that you know more about the situation than the regular poster! If you're not going to share that information or add something to the discussion then why bother posting in this thread?
Haha plexa, my thoughts exactly. His point was that you typed words but didn't say anything. And yeah... saying "Do you know who I am?" is kind of a douche move.
Alright. Not the first time I've left people with a cliffhanger. I'll just keep my words to myself. Or start getting in to eSports-press.
Don't think people are as perturbed by the fact that you didn't share information as they are how you made yourself seem like such an ass. There are a lot of people behind the scenes and in the spotlight that make eSports such a good product to view and experience. It's not necessary to state your role in a way that comes across egotistical and self-absorbed. My two cents. Thank you for your contribution to the community, though.
Are you Andrew? I think I got you on skype bro. haha.
No I am not Andrew. I am another partner with CSA. I went to college with Andrew at Texas A&M.
On August 28 2014 10:23 BreAKerTV wrote: I know for a fact that they aren't just skipping payments on team PRIME. I can't talk about it, but I live in the same country as their HQ. I know the names that are sponsored by them as well.
By that do you mean they are paying Prime or they aren't paying Prime and are ripping off other teams/players in addition to Prime.
On July 29 2014 14:44 Pharaphobia wrote: What is exacly TT esports? I mean this company isn't that big to simply do thing like that.. It could not be nail to the coffin for Prime, but TTe getting some bad rep right there... Also I can understand this step if the equipment is one big piece of garbage =)) l2make keyboards plz
TT esports is Thermaltake. It's a big company. They do gaming stuff since the dawn of time. They do cool fans and pc case but that's all i know them for to be good.
Every big company does that at the ends of contracts that aren't being renewed. It's stupid, but basicly it's : "Oh it's our last payment. We'll skip that and see if they get us to court. If they do and we can lose, we'll pay. If not... well. See ya".
I see that all the time. Luckyly (how the hell do i write that word ?), it's rare to see the company not pay. Because they know they need to because of the contract and whatnot. it's like testing the water. Stupid but not uncommon.
On July 29 2014 14:44 Pharaphobia wrote: What is exacly TT esports? I mean this company isn't that big to simply do thing like that.. It could not be nail to the coffin for Prime, but TTe getting some bad rep right there... Also I can understand this step if the equipment is one big piece of garbage =)) l2make keyboards plz
I see that all the time. Luckyly (how the hell do i write that word ?)
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