EPTAnd reading Happy's delusions reminds me of why I so enjoy watching Terrans suffer these days.
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
And reading Happy's delusions reminds me of why I so enjoy watching Terrans suffer these days. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On July 19 2014 09:43 Faust852 wrote: It's almost impossible to prove that what he says is true, but it's generally a shared views among terrans. I personally think that top top tiers terrans are overall better than their couunterparts zergs and protoss. But meh, there is no real evidence so it's probably a general bias. The thing is that terrans go for the same build every game (and thus nails them to perfection), and then balancing around that will in the end obviously require mechanical skills from the terran and strategical skills from the protoss. | ||
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Varroth
Sweden471 Posts
On July 19 2014 09:43 Faust852 wrote: It's almost impossible to prove that what he says is true, but it's generally a shared views among terrans. I personally think that top top tiers terrans are overall better than their couunterparts zergs and protoss. But meh, there is no real evidence so it's probably a general bias. Terrans just look flashier due to their micro | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On July 19 2014 09:56 Nebuchad wrote: Yeah it's no wonder to me that someone like you would think that. Happy is more surprising. It sorts of makes his achievements even more impressive, because it's such a bad mindset to have, I wonder how he can just keep his cool despite losing against people that he doesn't have much respect for. You say it's almost impossible to prove that it's true: on the other hand it's very easy to prove that it isn't. Terrans don't perform better when the weakest race than the others did. It took Mvp going to foreignland to beat broodlord infestor in 2012. And the logical fallacy of using TaeJa's wins as evidence that terrans are better, when terrans have introduced themselves the idea that these wins don't mean much because he's playing against fields that are wildly inferior to him most of the time, is kind of astonishing. When you take more time to look, you might realise that, for exemple, terran is the least represented race for years in top league, even at the top foreigner level. Even before the WMs patch, there were few foreigners terrans and we were still the least represented race in GM. But top koreans terrans kept winning everything. Hell, even at the sbig terran era, in 2011, there were really few top foreigners terrans compared to protoss and zergs. This is something that make us think that there might be a huge wall that only topkorean terrans have overcome. I read a translattion of a korean talk show recently with Flash etc. TheMarine said that it's almost impossible to see the difference of level between top protoss for exemple. I can tell you that it's very much different between terrans players. You will always see the difference between players. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:03 Faust852 wrote:When you take more time to look, you might realise that, for exemple, terran is the least represented race for years in top league, even at the top foreigner level. Even before the WMs patch, there were few foreigners terrans and we were still the least represented race in GM. But top koreans terrans kept winning everything. Hell, even at the sbig terran era, in 2011, there were really few top foreigners terrans compared to protoss and zergs. This is something that make us think that there might be a huge wall that only topkorean terrans have overcome. That's an attempt at distraction. You're supposed to be demonstrating a difference of skill between topkorean Terrans and topkorean Zergs or Protosses, not a difference between topkorean Terrans and foreigner Terrans. On July 19 2014 10:06 Jerubaal wrote: At this point, I just want them to make terran OP so they will stop bitching. They won't. I was there during 1/1/1. They were bitching that Terrans were going to be nerfed because all the best players coincidentally chose to play Terran, making the race look overpowered while they were actually the weakest. | ||
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Iron_
United States389 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote: That's an attempt at distraction. You're supposed to be demonstrating a difference of skill between topkorean Terrans and topkorean Zergs or Protosses, not a difference between topkorean Terrans and foreigner Terrans. As I said, there is no way to prove my point. I said it's probably a general bias from the terran population. The only argument I can give is TheMarine's argument. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote: They won't. I was there during 1/1/1. They were bitching that Terrans were going to be nerfed because all the best players coincidentally chose to play Terran, making the race look overpowered while they were actually the weakest. It's exactly the same now with protoss bitching instead of terrans. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:10 Faust852 wrote: It's exactly the same now with protoss bitching instead of terrans. There are Protoss bitching that Terran is overpowered? | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote: There are Protoss bitching that Terran is overpowered? That's a very clever comment, ha ha ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xpahLJF.png) This is very sensible by Squirtle. Noone finds the colossus exciting and these recent patches just forces protoss to never build anything else. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12620 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:08 Faust852 wrote: As I said, there is no way to prove my point. I said it's probably a general bias from the terran population. The only argument I can give is TheMarine's argument. And as I said, it's very easy to disprove his point, because terrans don't do better than the other races when underpowered. Look at the leap in logic that is happening there. When someone tells you that TaeJa winning tournaments proves that terran isn't that underpowered, you're going to answer to him that he isn't playing against the very best opposition, so the fact that he wins doesn't mean much when it comes to balance. It even skews the winrates, as you have argued before, because it makes the terran winrates look better than they would look if he was playing people of his own level all the time. But now suddenly Happy wants to use Taeja's wins as balance points, saying that because he can beat these people, that proves terrans are superior players, and that doesn't shock you a single bit? | ||
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Varroth
Sweden471 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:10 Faust852 wrote: It's exactly the same now with protoss bitching instead of terrans. What protoss apart from Rain who plays a style which doesnt really give him an advantage which other toss players have which makes it op has complained? | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On July 19 2014 09:58 Fanatic-Templar wrote: And reading Happy's delusions reminds me of why I so enjoy watching Terrans suffer these days. I think you meant to write: And reading Happy's delusions reminds me of why I so enjoy watching swarm host vs colossus every game these days. | ||
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atuor
United States83 Posts
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PoZu
Germany4 Posts
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yido
United States350 Posts
On July 19 2014 09:27 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: I think most of the Terrans hit the nail on the head. This patch ultimately could result in doing nothing at the higher levels and it doesn't address any of the real issues. Sad to not see some kind of potential ghost/BC buff, but I don't think we'll ever see those units get buffed T_T Yes, exactly this. I want Terran Tier 3 tech to actually have the ABILITY to trade somewhat evenly. BCs are especially shit in TvP and generally useless. Instead of buffing/nerfing WM and Hellbats over and over why not do something to help the actual problem? Blizzard is forcing Terrans to become one dimensional. If the tier 3 units have the ABILITY to be microed properly to trade evenly, I believe pro Terrans will use them as transitions instead of rally snowballing tier 2 composition over and over. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:20 neptunusfisk wrote: I think you meant to write: Ha! No, you are assuredly right about that. Honestly, Terran has the most interesting matchups to watch (which makes me wonder why people actually want to see mech happen, but that's a different matter), and that's probably because they revolve around a highly dynamic unit like the Marine, instead of the excruciatingly boring Roaches or the dreadfully awful Colossi and Swarm Hosts. | ||
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BaronVonOwn
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
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