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For the first time this season, Code A featured two groups with at least one Terran included in them. Group E featured the "other" KT Rolster Terran,  TY, the fan favorite killer,  Samsung_Shine, the star of the IM Proleague show, ByuL, and the relatively unknown, CJ_sKyHigh. Over on Group F, also labeled as Group Flash, we had the king of all-ins,  MVP_TAiLS, the Symbol of Zerg hope, the "other" relatively unknown, CJ_Hush, and of course, the BW legend and ultimate weapon, KT_Flash.
For TY, the night couldn't have gone any easier. All breaths were held in worry since TY's first opponent, Shine, was notorious for always knocking out the fan favorites from the GSL. Even though TY made a name for himself with his spectacular Proleague performances, his finish was more than lackluster towards the end of Rounds 3 and 4. All eyes were on these two players to see who would come out on top and it ended up being TY by a landslide. However, not only did he crush Shine, but he also then went on to dismantle Proleague gold name ByuL. Even though ByuL was a force to be reckoned with because of his Proleague performances and fierce aura, TY easily swept him to the side and twirled a cane as he walked into Code S with a 4-0 score.
So then came the next important question: Who will advance out as second? Although sKyHigh is well known for always finding some way to get back into Code A, he is also well known for never being able to go further than that. ByuL and Shine both ended up sending sKyHigh packing back to the PC bang qualifiers in brutal fashion. The final player to advance would be decided by a ZvZ. Thankfully, while the viewers were not subject to the same old boring roach vs. roach games, they still had to endure an anti-climactic finish as Shine quickly took care of ByuL in a convincing 2-0 manner and found himself back in Code S once again. This means that everyone watching the GSL will once again have to be aware of the possibility of Shine knocking out the fan favorites in Code S.
For TY's teammate, Flash, the pressure was on like never before. After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was being seriously questioned by many. However, Flash decided that his time to shine would be today. Although his first match against Symbol was anything but easy, Flash still came out on top with a 2-1 victory and sent Symbol down to the losers' round with a massive doom drop that crushed Symbol's hopes of advancing to the winners' match. From there on, it was a rather easy road for Flash as he took down Hush before the 20 minute mark could hit for both games and advanced into Code S. With this, Flash now has a chance at redemption. Unfortunately, Flash fans can't feel too happy about this victory since the road through Code S is a long and arduous journey, and seeing as how Flash has never made it past the Ro16 of Code S before, the pressure has yet to be completely off his shoulders. But for the time being, Flash and his fans can both enjoy in this small triumph.
The rest of the night was almost uneventful. Although it was quite a surprise to see Symbol become the first player to be eliminated from Group F, it didn't surprise anyone to see TAiLS initiating two all-ins in a row against Symbol, who is known for his strong macro style in the mid-game/late-game stages. As it would turn out however, perhaps TAiLS may have needed to focus more on refining his PvP rather than his PvZ immortal all-ins. Hush 4-0ed TAiLS out of Code A through very one sided PvPs, and really made a statement in his GSL debut by advancing into Code S.
Hot6ix Code S Season 3 Players
Seeded from Season 1 (8): Classic, ParalyzE, Zest, Maru, soO, TRUE, Solar, Soulkey
Code A Winners (12/24): Avenge, PartinG, DongRaeGu, MyuNgSiK, Dear, Dark, Rain, Cure, TY, Shine, Flash, Hush
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Belgica34432 Posts
SHIIIIIIIIINE :D
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TERRRRAAAAAAN
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On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone.
Please... It's already tiring to read the "lol retire" in LR threads each time Flash drops a map. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose.
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Good writeup, my one criticism is that I think it's a little unfair to call sKyHigh an "unknown" on the same level as somebody like Hush. True, he hasn't accomplished anything in SC2, but he had a long and pretty respectable Brood War career going all the way back to 2007, even if he was never a star.
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KT Terrans delivering again! Hopefully they can move further this season than last time. Believe!
On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. Please... It's already tiring to read the "lol retire" in LR threads each time Flash drops a map. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose.
Have to agree with this. While Flash is not at the level of dominance he was in BW, he's still a top 3 PL Terran with decent results in the GSL.
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Seeing how no one can consistently stay on top in the international tournament scene for a longer term (I mean 1 year+), you have to ask if it's really the players' fault. Not even Jaedong with his sick apm and good sense for strategy could accomplish this. I am very curious if Taeja will be able to keep up his current form at the current level.
Starcraft 2 just seems to be a question of when to all-in. There is not that much strategy involved anymore because the game's so fragile. You make a tiny mistake (for example you go for banshees and don't do enough damage), the counterparty decides to all-in and it can be over very quickly. It's a game of mistakes and quick reactions.
An easy example is the second game of Flash vs Hush. Flash was behind in the casters' view if I remember correctly. Suddenly he went western through a big part of the map undetected with his whole army + min. 10 medivacs. Oh, let's fly into the main and all-in the zerg. Those games are not entertaining. But they are effective. Who needs to play a macro game if you consider win-rates of all-ins...
Many pros from the past have said this. The game is too fragile. There are many amazingly talented players, but can there ever be someone consistently on top? I highly doubt.
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On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose.
Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran, one of th best in the world, the next bonjwa, or God.
Congrats to the KT players who put up some very strong wins, really sad for Symbol. With him no longer being in Code S, I don't know what he's gonna do for a team or for other events to play in.
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On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran
You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks?
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Wow Flash made it!!! :D
I hope he can make it at least the quarter finals this time.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 19 2014 05:38 lifecanwait wrote:
Seeing how no one can consistently stay on top in the internation tournament scene for a longer term (I mean 1 year+), you have to ask if it's really the players' fault. Not even Jaedong with his sick apm and good sense for strategy could accomplish this. I am very curious if Taeja will be able to keep his current form at the current level.
Starcraft 2 just seems to be a question of when to all-in. There is not that much strategy involved anymore because the game's so fragile. You make a tiny mistake (for example you go for banshees and don't do enough damage), the counterparty decides to all-in and it can be over very quickly. It's a game of mistakes and quick reactions.
An easy example is the second game of Flash vs Hush. Flash was behind in the casters' view if I remember correctly. Suddenly he went western through a big part of the map undetected with his whole army + min. 10 medivacs. Oh, let's fly into the main and all-in the zerg. Those games are not entertaining. But they are effective. Who needs to play a macro game if you consider win-rates of all-ins...
Many pros from the past have said this. The game is too fragile. There are many amazingly talented players, but can there ever be someone consistently on top? I highly doubt.
You mean like soO's back-to-back-to-back GSL finals? Or Mvp's 2011 streak? Or I guess "consistency" as in Taeja's 2013? Or when you say consistency, do you mean Life's streak in offline Bo5s, where he didn't lose an offline Bo5 for some 20 matches across something like 18 months? Or by "consistency", something like Innovation going 37-6 (that's 86% win rate) in ATC? By "consistency", I'm assuming you don't mean something like Jaedong reaching 6 finals in 2013? I'm also assuming that you are unaware of Maru reaching the Ro4 in 5 elite tournaments (and winning one of them) last year.
I mean, I'm not going to say that you don't know what you're talking about, but...
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Northern Ireland174 Posts
With his mastery of CodeA complete maybe Flash can show us a mastery of CodeS. With Terran getting some love in the near future now is as good a time as any for him :D
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On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks?
maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong
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On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong
as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart.
All of them ahead of Flash?
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On July 19 2014 06:26 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart. All of them ahead of Flash?
I would say yes.
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Definitely not Jjakji, MMA, or Heart. Polt is debatable, along with bbyong and supernova. Inno and Ty are questionable, but are probably ahead of Flash. The rest I agree with.
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If Zest says Flash is a beast in practice, I would dare to say he failed to yet perform on the level he is capable to show. Flash is an excellent player and when you take his game vs EffOrt on New Kirk Precinct from Proleague I believe for example you will see flawless mechanics and gameplay.
I still believe he will come back. Hopefully he can show his real level.
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On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart.
Heart better than Flash... I feel like I'm being trolled.
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Sad that skyhigh didnt won.. I want to see the Vods, GomTV didnt upload them yet :/
But I'm happy that Flash advanced 
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yay! gonna have a beer in the name of the KT Terrans tonight
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Hush is the unspoken true god of PvP, I've personally never saw him lose a broadcasted game.
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On July 19 2014 07:03 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart. Heart better than Flash... I feel like I'm being trolled.
I don't think these guys watch Proleague. Flash is, imo, the best mech terran (alongside with bbyong) and is doing pretty well in proleague despite balance issues. The only terran I would place ahead of Flash are Innovation, Taeja, Maru, BByong. Bomber coming right after Flash (I'm saying that despite Bomber being my favorite terran of all times <3)
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On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart.
This cannot be serious. Please tell me that you are joking. Did you watch TBs recent tourney with flash? (You know, the one with him stomping Life, beating herO 2-1, stomping Bbyong and then losing 4-2 to herO? Don't let the "online" tag fool you; they all played extremely well.)
edit: And yeah, why aren't people like Cure up there, when he's better than heart, mma and jjakji that all obviously are better than flash? Marineking, Journey, Salvation, Fantasy? Better than Heart, I would argue..
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On July 19 2014 08:17 Twine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 07:03 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart. Heart better than Flash... I feel like I'm being trolled. I don't think these guys watch Proleague. Flash is, imo, the best mech terran (alongside with bbyong) and is doing pretty well in proleague despite balance issues. The only terran I would place ahead of Flash are Innovation, Taeja, Maru, BByong. Bomber coming right after Flash (I'm saying that despite Bomber being my favorite terran of all times <3)
Proleague is exactly where people have such huge different views on Flash.
Very few watch Proleague almost exclusively, a small minority watches both Proleague and WCS Kr, and a vast majority watch sprinkle of WCS Kr and mostly WCS NA/EU.
If you watch only Proleague, it hardly looks like Flash fell off the top. If you watch both PL and WCS KR (GSL) then Flash has been disappointing but is still a top tier player. If you watch WCS NA/EU and mix in VODs of GSL and PL then you think Flash is very far below the top.
The Bottom line that people need to realize is that individual leagues aren't the main focus of top PL players like Flash and other team ACEs, especially if they are old KeSPA and even more so if they ex-BW players.
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On July 19 2014 10:26 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart. This cannot be serious. Please tell me that you are joking. Did you watch TBs recent tourney with flash? (You know, the one with him stomping Life, beating herO 2-1, stomping Bbyong and then losing 4-2 to herO? Don't let the "online" tag fool you; they all played extremely well.) edit: And yeah, why aren't people like Cure up there, when he's better than heart, mma and jjakji that all obviously are better than flash? Marineking, Journey, Salvation, Fantasy? Better than Heart, I would argue..
and what accomplishments does flash have in sc2? flash is a proleague star and that is all he has done.
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On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart.
What?!? Flash is still doing really well in Prolelague, saying jjakji, mma, supernova, heart over him is nuts.
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Flash is clearly a top level Terran. And can go toe to toe with the best in the world and give them a good slap.
But for some reason, he hasn't been bringing is A game to GSL.
He's not the only to level Terran to do it. Where did TY get to last season?
If he can sort out his problem out and play GSL as well as he plays in Proleague, we can see a nice deep run from Flash.
#ibelieve
Edit: auto correct
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On July 19 2014 17:28 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 10:26 neptunusfisk wrote:On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart. This cannot be serious. Please tell me that you are joking. Did you watch TBs recent tourney with flash? (You know, the one with him stomping Life, beating herO 2-1, stomping Bbyong and then losing 4-2 to herO? Don't let the "online" tag fool you; they all played extremely well.) edit: And yeah, why aren't people like Cure up there, when he's better than heart, mma and jjakji that all obviously are better than flash? Marineking, Journey, Salvation, Fantasy? Better than Heart, I would argue.. and what accomplishments does flash have in sc2? flash is a proleague star and that is all he has done.
You count "doing ok in WCS EU and AM" better than reaching code S ro16 and being top 3 wins in SPL?
Some of Flashs SC2 achievements:
#1 wins SPL 2013
top 5 wins SPL 2014
Ro16 Code S x 4, perhaps once more
Ro8 OSL
Ro12 IEM
3rd place MLG
2nd place MLG
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On July 19 2014 06:06 Zealously wrote:
You mean like soO's back-to-back-to-back GSL finals? Or Mvp's 2011 streak? Or I guess "consistency" as in Taeja's 2013? Or when you say consistency, do you mean Life's streak in offline Bo5s, where he didn't lose an offline Bo5 for some 20 matches across something like 18 months? Or by "consistency", something like Innovation going 37-6 (that's 86% win rate) in ATC? By "consistency", I'm assuming you don't mean something like Jaedong reaching 6 finals in 2013? I'm also assuming that you are unaware of Maru reaching the Ro4 in 5 elite tournaments (and winning one of them) last year.
I mean, I'm not going to say that you don't know what you're talking about, but...
That's not real dominance. It's just one player being 'good' (instead of 'best') for a while. My feelings are that not the best players in terms of abilities are on top in starcraft 2. Top player ranks are changing way too much.
Sure you can see some players are really good kind of consistently, like Jaedong or Taeja as you mentioned. But to me that's not enough for how long this game has been around. There are always newcomers and the fast pace makes the game so fragile.
I would be pissed myself if I was training 10 hours a day and then in the tourney some random decides to rush you with 2 barracks. You don't scout because usually chances are low that someone takes such a risk.
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On July 19 2014 19:45 lifecanwait wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 06:06 Zealously wrote:
You mean like soO's back-to-back-to-back GSL finals? Or Mvp's 2011 streak? Or I guess "consistency" as in Taeja's 2013? Or when you say consistency, do you mean Life's streak in offline Bo5s, where he didn't lose an offline Bo5 for some 20 matches across something like 18 months? Or by "consistency", something like Innovation going 37-6 (that's 86% win rate) in ATC? By "consistency", I'm assuming you don't mean something like Jaedong reaching 6 finals in 2013? I'm also assuming that you are unaware of Maru reaching the Ro4 in 5 elite tournaments (and winning one of them) last year.
I mean, I'm not going to say that you don't know what you're talking about, but... That's not real dominance. It's just one player being 'good' (instead of 'best') for a while. My feelings are that not the best players in terms of abilities are on top in starcraft 2. Top player ranks are changing way too much. Sure you can see some players are really good kind of consistently, like Jaedong or Taeja as you mentioned. But to me that's not enough for how long this game has been around. There are always newcomers and the fast pace makes the game so fragile. I would be pissed myself if I was training 10 hours a day and then in the tourney some random decides to rush you with 2 barracks. You don't scout because usually chances are low that someone takes such a risk.
It was the same way in BW, most of the time. Thing just being, SC2 has so many minor events, too many "premier tournaments" and thing like HSC/DH/IEM at the same time.
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On July 19 2014 19:16 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 17:28 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 10:26 neptunusfisk wrote:On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart. This cannot be serious. Please tell me that you are joking. Did you watch TBs recent tourney with flash? (You know, the one with him stomping Life, beating herO 2-1, stomping Bbyong and then losing 4-2 to herO? Don't let the "online" tag fool you; they all played extremely well.) edit: And yeah, why aren't people like Cure up there, when he's better than heart, mma and jjakji that all obviously are better than flash? Marineking, Journey, Salvation, Fantasy? Better than Heart, I would argue.. and what accomplishments does flash have in sc2? flash is a proleague star and that is all he has done. You count "doing ok in WCS EU and AM" better than reaching code S ro16 and being top 3 wins in SPL? Some of Flashs SC2 achievements: #1 wins SPL 2013 top 5 wins SPL 2014 Ro16 Code S x 4, perhaps once more Ro8 OSL Ro12 IEM 3rd place MLG 2nd place MLG
Just to note, Flash got invited to the Ro16 for that IEM event (New York). He won 1 best of three vs State to "achieve" that result.
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On July 20 2014 18:34 messioso wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 19:16 neptunusfisk wrote:On July 19 2014 17:28 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 10:26 neptunusfisk wrote:On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart. This cannot be serious. Please tell me that you are joking. Did you watch TBs recent tourney with flash? (You know, the one with him stomping Life, beating herO 2-1, stomping Bbyong and then losing 4-2 to herO? Don't let the "online" tag fool you; they all played extremely well.) edit: And yeah, why aren't people like Cure up there, when he's better than heart, mma and jjakji that all obviously are better than flash? Marineking, Journey, Salvation, Fantasy? Better than Heart, I would argue.. and what accomplishments does flash have in sc2? flash is a proleague star and that is all he has done. You count "doing ok in WCS EU and AM" better than reaching code S ro16 and being top 3 wins in SPL? Some of Flashs SC2 achievements: #1 wins SPL 2013 top 5 wins SPL 2014 Ro16 Code S x 4, perhaps once more Ro8 OSL Ro12 IEM 3rd place MLG 2nd place MLG Just to note, Flash got invited to the Ro16 for that IEM event (New York). He won 1 best of three vs State to "achieve" that result.
to be honest flash doesn't have many achievements. bomber, polt, and supernova would have all put up great results in proleague if given the chance.
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On July 21 2014 06:58 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 18:34 messioso wrote:On July 19 2014 19:16 neptunusfisk wrote:On July 19 2014 17:28 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 10:26 neptunusfisk wrote:On July 19 2014 06:25 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 06:08 Terranist wrote:On July 19 2014 05:55 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:42 Circumstance wrote:On July 19 2014 05:24 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 05:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After being knocked out of Code A last season, Flash's career in the SC2 scene was seriously being questioned by almost everyone. This kind of dramatic exaggeration serves no purpose. Funny, that phrase would be better suited to people calling Flash a Top 5 Terran You piqued my curiosity, who would you place ahead of Flash among the Terran ranks? maru, innovation, taeja, bomber, polt, supernova, bbyong as well as Jjakji, MMA, TY, and at this point, I have to add Heart. This cannot be serious. Please tell me that you are joking. Did you watch TBs recent tourney with flash? (You know, the one with him stomping Life, beating herO 2-1, stomping Bbyong and then losing 4-2 to herO? Don't let the "online" tag fool you; they all played extremely well.) edit: And yeah, why aren't people like Cure up there, when he's better than heart, mma and jjakji that all obviously are better than flash? Marineking, Journey, Salvation, Fantasy? Better than Heart, I would argue.. and what accomplishments does flash have in sc2? flash is a proleague star and that is all he has done. You count "doing ok in WCS EU and AM" better than reaching code S ro16 and being top 3 wins in SPL? Some of Flashs SC2 achievements: #1 wins SPL 2013 top 5 wins SPL 2014 Ro16 Code S x 4, perhaps once more Ro8 OSL Ro12 IEM 3rd place MLG 2nd place MLG Just to note, Flash got invited to the Ro16 for that IEM event (New York). He won 1 best of three vs State to "achieve" that result. to be honest flash doesn't have many achievements. bomber, polt, and supernova would have all put up great results in proleague if given the chance.
Like TaeJa? Proleague is a singular environment and format. Because of their respective styles, I would see SuperNova do well in it, but not necessarily Polt and (particularly) Bomber (too easily snipable).
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