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On July 17 2014 05:32 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 05:19 Mojito99 wrote:
There is enough in your post to massively criticise your management skills. Instead, some advice.
a) diversify your sponsorship.
b) reevaluate the financial aspects of your team if you are going to make doomsday posts after having not been payed for 6 days.
c) make payment arrangements which provide consistency and not hand-to-mouth payments.
d) are you a charity or a hopefully profitable team business?
hoping for the best
regards. These types of posts typically come from people who have taken like a business 101 class, but besides that have no actual real-life business practice, yet alone has any clue how it is operate an Sc2-team. It's always a ton easier to criticise other people when you don't understand how the world functions.
No..... The sc2 teams that keep folding up are the ones who have no real life business practice. Like seriously, having an entire team just sponsored by one person? Lol wow that's a horrible business plan. Its no wonder all these sc2 teams with the exception of EG and TL which are the gold standard, fail miserably. Oftentimes these failed teams just take the money and run (Quantic owner) or get a "heart illness" (LYGF owner).
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On July 17 2014 07:35 extinctosaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 05:53 Raziers wrote:He may have avoided to answer our players in the past when they were asking about their salaries, but he never failed to answer me or to give me a heads up, especially for important things Wait what, so players asking about ther salaries isn't important? major warning goin off in my head there. It even already sounds so dodgy that he avoids answering questions about the salary 
It's not fishy or dodgy at all because he's the *sponsor* not the actual manager or anything.
The fact that they let the players bug him for money should be a big no-no. The equivalent would be TLO or Taeja bugging Razor for more money when the person making that decision should be Nazgul.
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On July 31 2014 01:53 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 05:32 Hider wrote:On July 17 2014 05:19 Mojito99 wrote:
There is enough in your post to massively criticise your management skills. Instead, some advice.
a) diversify your sponsorship.
b) reevaluate the financial aspects of your team if you are going to make doomsday posts after having not been payed for 6 days.
c) make payment arrangements which provide consistency and not hand-to-mouth payments.
d) are you a charity or a hopefully profitable team business?
hoping for the best
regards. These types of posts typically come from people who have taken like a business 101 class, but besides that have no actual real-life business practice, yet alone has any clue how it is operate an Sc2-team. It's always a ton easier to criticise other people when you don't understand how the world functions. Everything he brought up were valid points, a bit sharp in his deliver, but valid. Also the guy could be sick, dead, or dying for all anyone knows, 6 days seems a little premature.
Yeh in the theoretical situations that business 101 is presented in. However, in real life Starcraft esport I bet you don't just diversify your business from one day to another.
Much more important is to find ways to create value to sponsors, so that other sponsors are willing to sponsor team spectre. But the naive idea where you just "decide" to diversify your business, and then suddenly get a ton of new sponsors is just nonsense.
The advice he gives is comparable to you telling someone who earns minimumwage to get a better job with a higher wage. While that's good in it self, the real question is how he can get him self in a position where that's possible.
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On July 31 2014 02:59 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 01:53 LongShot27 wrote:On July 17 2014 05:32 Hider wrote:On July 17 2014 05:19 Mojito99 wrote:
There is enough in your post to massively criticise your management skills. Instead, some advice.
a) diversify your sponsorship.
b) reevaluate the financial aspects of your team if you are going to make doomsday posts after having not been payed for 6 days.
c) make payment arrangements which provide consistency and not hand-to-mouth payments.
d) are you a charity or a hopefully profitable team business?
hoping for the best
regards. These types of posts typically come from people who have taken like a business 101 class, but besides that have no actual real-life business practice, yet alone has any clue how it is operate an Sc2-team. It's always a ton easier to criticise other people when you don't understand how the world functions. Everything he brought up were valid points, a bit sharp in his deliver, but valid. Also the guy could be sick, dead, or dying for all anyone knows, 6 days seems a little premature. Yeh in the theoretical situations that business 101 is presented in. However, in real life Starcraft esport I bet you don't just diversify your business from day to another. Much more important is to find ways to create value to sponsors, so that other sponsors are willing to sponsor team spectre. But the naive idea where you just "decide" to diversify your business, and then suddenly get a ton of new sponsors is just nonsense. The advice he gives is comparable to you telling someone who earns minimumwage to get a better job with a higher wage. While that's good in it self, the real question is how he can get him self in a position where that's possible.
Sorry dude but you're talking out of your ass
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On July 31 2014 04:57 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:59 Hider wrote:On July 31 2014 01:53 LongShot27 wrote:On July 17 2014 05:32 Hider wrote:On July 17 2014 05:19 Mojito99 wrote:
There is enough in your post to massively criticise your management skills. Instead, some advice.
a) diversify your sponsorship.
b) reevaluate the financial aspects of your team if you are going to make doomsday posts after having not been payed for 6 days.
c) make payment arrangements which provide consistency and not hand-to-mouth payments.
d) are you a charity or a hopefully profitable team business?
hoping for the best
regards. These types of posts typically come from people who have taken like a business 101 class, but besides that have no actual real-life business practice, yet alone has any clue how it is operate an Sc2-team. It's always a ton easier to criticise other people when you don't understand how the world functions. Everything he brought up were valid points, a bit sharp in his deliver, but valid. Also the guy could be sick, dead, or dying for all anyone knows, 6 days seems a little premature. Yeh in the theoretical situations that business 101 is presented in. However, in real life Starcraft esport I bet you don't just diversify your business from day to another. Much more important is to find ways to create value to sponsors, so that other sponsors are willing to sponsor team spectre. But the naive idea where you just "decide" to diversify your business, and then suddenly get a ton of new sponsors is just nonsense. The advice he gives is comparable to you telling someone who earns minimumwage to get a better job with a higher wage. While that's good in it self, the real question is how he can get him self in a position where that's possible. Sorry dude but you're talking out of your !@#$%^&*
What part of it is wrong?
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On July 31 2014 02:59 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 01:53 LongShot27 wrote:On July 17 2014 05:32 Hider wrote:On July 17 2014 05:19 Mojito99 wrote:
There is enough in your post to massively criticise your management skills. Instead, some advice.
a) diversify your sponsorship.
b) reevaluate the financial aspects of your team if you are going to make doomsday posts after having not been payed for 6 days.
c) make payment arrangements which provide consistency and not hand-to-mouth payments.
d) are you a charity or a hopefully profitable team business?
hoping for the best
regards. These types of posts typically come from people who have taken like a business 101 class, but besides that have no actual real-life business practice, yet alone has any clue how it is operate an Sc2-team. It's always a ton easier to criticise other people when you don't understand how the world functions. Everything he brought up were valid points, a bit sharp in his deliver, but valid. Also the guy could be sick, dead, or dying for all anyone knows, 6 days seems a little premature. Yeh in the theoretical situations that business 101 is presented in. However, in real life Starcraft esport I bet you don't just diversify your business from one day to another. Much more important is to find ways to create value to sponsors, so that other sponsors are willing to sponsor team spectre. But the naive idea where you just "decide" to diversify your business, and then suddenly get a ton of new sponsors is just nonsense. The advice he gives is comparable to you telling someone who earns minimumwage to get a better job with a higher wage. While that's good in it self, the real question is how he can get him self in a position where that's possible.
The guy said that the team should have had more than one sponsor. The onus isn't on the guy who said that to explain how to get more than one sponsor. The onus is on the person actually starting the team. If you don't have a solid business plan, then don't go into business. That's just making poor life decisions.
My coworker and I are always talking about starting a team, but obviously since we are full time salaried people who who work in a real business, we know it would be dumb to start a business like that without a plan. The onus is on US, the people who want to start a team, to figure it out. Not people pointing out common sense basic things.
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How unfortunate hopefully everything works out for the best !
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On July 31 2014 06:48 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:59 Hider wrote:On July 31 2014 01:53 LongShot27 wrote:On July 17 2014 05:32 Hider wrote:On July 17 2014 05:19 Mojito99 wrote:
There is enough in your post to massively criticise your management skills. Instead, some advice.
a) diversify your sponsorship.
b) reevaluate the financial aspects of your team if you are going to make doomsday posts after having not been payed for 6 days.
c) make payment arrangements which provide consistency and not hand-to-mouth payments.
d) are you a charity or a hopefully profitable team business?
hoping for the best
regards. These types of posts typically come from people who have taken like a business 101 class, but besides that have no actual real-life business practice, yet alone has any clue how it is operate an Sc2-team. It's always a ton easier to criticise other people when you don't understand how the world functions. Everything he brought up were valid points, a bit sharp in his deliver, but valid. Also the guy could be sick, dead, or dying for all anyone knows, 6 days seems a little premature. Yeh in the theoretical situations that business 101 is presented in. However, in real life Starcraft esport I bet you don't just diversify your business from one day to another. Much more important is to find ways to create value to sponsors, so that other sponsors are willing to sponsor team spectre. But the naive idea where you just "decide" to diversify your business, and then suddenly get a ton of new sponsors is just nonsense. The advice he gives is comparable to you telling someone who earns minimumwage to get a better job with a higher wage. While that's good in it self, the real question is how he can get him self in a position where that's possible. The guy said that the team should have had more than one sponsor. The onus isn't on the guy who said that to explain how to get more than one sponsor. The onus is on the person actually starting the team. If you don't have a solid business plan, then don't go into business. That's just making poor life decisions. My coworker and I are always talking about starting a team, but obviously since we are full time salaried people who who work in a real business, we know it would be dumb to start a business like that without a plan. The onus is on US, the people who want to start a team, to figure it out. Not people pointing out common sense basic things.
Did you read the op? It was just a little master league team. Then they got a generous russian sponsor, so they could afford better players.
Should they say no to the deal because that implied that it would put all of its eggs in one basket?
Or rather, as he did, live off the genrousity of the sponsor and hope it lasts as long as possible?
I really don't think anyone can blaim them for choosing the latter. Certainly it's not a poor business decision as it's basically a win/win situation since very small teams has little to lose if it doesn't work out.
Ideally, it would have been optimal to use the donations from the sponsor to improve brand value of the team, which could attract more sponsors, however that's definitely easier said that done.
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