EPTI feel like quite some teams just use money from a random source they got without figuring how they can make money themselves and market themselves to get sponsors that are stable and reliable so that your whole team doesn't die when one guy stops investing random money.
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NervO
Netherlands511 Posts
I feel like quite some teams just use money from a random source they got without figuring how they can make money themselves and market themselves to get sponsors that are stable and reliable so that your whole team doesn't die when one guy stops investing random money. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10893 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:37 NervO wrote: I think a good thing to start with is making a business plan and think about how you can get returned investment etc.. when you start a team and not rely on one guy to fund the whole team, with his own money. I feel like quite some teams just use money from a random source they got without figuring how they can make money themselves and market themselves to get sponsors that are stable and reliable so that your whole team doesn't die when one guy stops investing random money. This is exactly what I was thinking too, but still feel bad for those listed players. It is unfortunate but true reality. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On July 17 2014 09:00 Doodsmack wrote: How do you suppose an upstart SC2 team without players who are household names can get sponsors and build organically? It would seem the only viable path to success is by making a large initial investment that you know is a very risky gamble. Ok I will elaborate, and for the record while I won't go into massive detail I have a great number of years of experience in e-sports largely behind the scenes. Organic vs InOrganic Growth: Want to succeed long term grow organically. What does that mean though? Organic growth is starting at some base A, that you as the CEO of this new upstart can afford without any other help. Be it a time investment, financial, or otherwise. InOrganic Growth is such that we see in the OP's post, he took a quick fix solution to growing his team getting in bed with someone that as far as I am reading he had no way to meet with in person and could easily vanish. Want to grow organically and do it right, here is your steps. 1. Start with players you can afford with no financial backing what so ever. 2. Create an environment that fosters the growth of that core group to be the best they possibly can be. 3. Learn how to turn your team into a brand and sell it, though I'd say if you have no clue how to do this your dead in the water already. So your step 2.5 would be learn how to create a brand and then move to step 3. 4. Leverage your successes to gain 'reliable' new revenue. Such as setting up deals that may at first be some free gear but could grow into dollar sponsorship, should you represent those brands/people so well that they want to do more for you. 5. Don't be afraid to lose players that succeed to teams with larger bank accounts. Instead use things like that happening as opportunities to build relationships with those teams/organizations. You never know when being an amazingly gracious loser can gain you a favor and aid down the road. 6. As all the above grows never ever try to over extend your finances for a gamble at a big leap. This is one of the hardest things to resist, you get some success doing it the right way. Joe schmo says hey how about I give you 10 grand a year. Some shady back room deal is made and when it doesn't pan out you can't afford to keep the doors open. Do it smart, stick to what your doing. (this appears to be where the OP went off the tracks) 7. Be ridiculously patient, with a new team there is no gurantee you reach success over the life span of even the game it's created for. It can take years of successful steady management to grow a team to the point you become the one turning away money because you have so much you can choose to be picky. | ||
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Svizcy
Slovenia300 Posts
So i think just give him some time, there are things that come beffore sc2 you know. | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On July 17 2014 08:38 Yakikorosu wrote: I love all the posts saying "Get reliable sponsors" like there is a reliable e-sport sponsor supermarket you can go down to and pick some out. Has anyone maybe considered that there aren't a lot of reliable big name sponsors who want to pay money to a little known SC2 team from Eastern Europe? Sounds like this guy was the reason this team existed to begin with. I do think it's strange to make this post at this point. 6 days is not THAT long. I think the point is that you should not promise your players a salary if you can't guarantee that they actually get it. | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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RealAncestor
Romania25 Posts
Thank you all for understanding and for the tips you gave, even if they were obvious. It's still nice to see more people's opinion and advices. We'll be back as soon as we have updates. P.S. : We am pretty sure that nobody cares what our sponsor's name is or that we gave it out. It's not like it's a secret. It's been publicly posted on Liquipedia since the beginning of our collaboration. And also I am glad to see that this might not be a "hit & run" situation, but that he might really have some real life business to attend to and he cannot reply during one week. I thought of this too and I hope he will return. One thing is certain: We need one more sponsor of his caliber at least. | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3632 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:55 ESC FeaR wrote: tbh i expected it i think i call csc next TT this won t happen to Cascade at all Cascade is super professional and they exist for ages | ||
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Teodice
Sweden641 Posts
On July 17 2014 08:38 Yakikorosu wrote: I love all the posts saying "Get reliable sponsors" like there is a reliable e-sport sponsor supermarket you can go down to and pick some out. Has anyone maybe considered that there aren't a lot of reliable big name sponsors who want to pay money to a little known SC2 team from Eastern Europe? Sounds like this guy was the reason this team existed to begin with. I do think it's strange to make this post at this point. 6 days is not THAT long. That´s why you work your ass of with a normal job 10 hours a day, use 5 hours to manage and expand the team in your spare time. Go to every close event to your country and contact companies to show them how e-sports can be a great for them. Learn your market and dedicate the time for it. There is no easy way for this and it will take hard work like anything else in life. Even with investment money there is no safety for your team to be successful and you make yourself maybe even more dependent on that money as a source of income. | ||
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DarkstarTV
Sweden7 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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R1CH
Netherlands10343 Posts
"Next move" sounds like he's leaving rather than waiting for this to be resolved. Can't say I blame him if this is the first impression he gets of the team. Unfortunate for everyone involved. | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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HighArT
Croatia189 Posts
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Hassan_RO
Romania77 Posts
I wouldn't panic over so short a time (few days).....now it's Jul 30th....any news? Also echoing other people here, if he doesn't show up again, i would try to build a more sustainable business model. Drop your entire "pro roster" if you have to and there's no way to financially back them....no shame in that...gives the players an honest discussion and a chance to move on without any bad feelings ...but stay alive, keep your organization involved in teamleagues etc and try to sign with a couple of companies (not individuals) from Romania in general, or Cluj area in particular. Companies/people that you can actually physically see/meet would be a great idea. With a few stable sponsors, try going back to the pro area in time. Again, i agree with most that your post is very sensible and informative, and i'm sorry for your situation, but you should not give up if you can't hit the proscene immediately, keep going and see where you get in time. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On July 17 2014 05:32 Hider wrote: These types of posts typically come from people who have taken like a business 101 class, but besides that have no actual real-life business practice, yet alone has any clue how it is operate an Sc2-team. It's always a ton easier to criticise other people when you don't understand how the world functions. Everything he brought up were valid points, a bit sharp in his deliver, but valid. Also the guy could be sick, dead, or dying for all anyone knows, 6 days seems a little premature. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On July 17 2014 05:32 Hider wrote: These types of posts typically come from people who have taken like a business 101 class, but besides that have no actual real-life business practice, yet alone has any clue how it is operate an Sc2-team. It's always a ton easier to criticise other people when you don't understand how the world functions. The problem is that most sc2 teams are run by people who haven't taken a business 101 class. These are all legitimate concerns/questions that anyone running a SC2 team or other business should be able to address. | ||
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