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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
On July 02 2014 04:28 sCnInfinity wrote: Good idea. But the result would be utterly boring TvT gameplay because Bio is difficult enough to play as it is now. Mech TvT, seemed to work back in bw  | ||
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kaitai91
Finland2 Posts
I think they should try to make smthing different. I'd like 1. fusion core / armory upg for reapers so they could be used in mid/late game too (e.g. equipping them with grenade launchers for some splash (ofc reducing movement speed with that)). the reaper's cost is huge and building time is long so it could be a good try to get some more flavour into tvz bio mix and maybe even against protoss. at least it wouldnt be as random as wm hits and splash. 2. a buff for bc because it's so rarely seen unit in sc2. Not rly useful in late games (anymore) with so many counter units to it. obviously those 2 things wouldn't help in defending early aggressions of protoss but they would make late game a bit different and more viable for terran. For more stable and interesting early game there are already good suggests on this thread. EDIT: It would also be a good try to get a fusion core upg that reduces building time for terran units. It's just so bad for terran to play long macro games against toss's and zerg's superior reproducing potential. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On July 02 2014 04:20 Waise wrote: i don't understand what you want "fixed" about those units. not every unit needs or should have a spell or micro trick to it; part of the game is macroing and positioning inexpensive units, that's an essential sc2 skill. if you want every unit to be doing something unique and dynamic (and i hate to go here, but...) why not watch a moba? "fixing" basic grunt units would just wreck the entire game ground up. why not fix pawns in chess? It has nothing to do with spells or micro tricks, and I have no idea how you can consider Colossi an 'inexpensive basic grunt unit'. Marines, for example, are amazing units, they're fast and deal a ton of damage, but they're weak and die easily, while at the same time being cheap on both resources and supply, making them easily replaceable. You can do a lot with Marines, but losing them doesn't end the game. Same thing goes for Zerglings and Banelings, or to a more expensive but similar extent, Mutalisks or Phoenixes. Zealots meanwhile are not as interesting but still serve a fine role in the game as cheap meatshields - the most important thing about a meatshield, and the reason Zealots are used for that role rather than the Immortal that was conceived with it in mind, is that they have to be cheap. Marauders and Roaches (and Corruptors) have a combination of good damage, high hit points and medium range that makes them exceptionally boring. Roaches occasionally serve as meatshields for Hydralisks, but the Roaches themselves are too good as a unit to really serve that role, they don't actually need the Hydralisks to do anything, whereas Zealots alone are not good for much unless you already have a distinct advantage. Colossi meanwhile have the problem of being an essential unit to Protoss achieving anything with only two weaknesses: 1- They are expensive and difficult to replace. 2- They can be targeted as massive air units. The first point means that Protoss victory relies on protecting Colossi, and if they lose those Colossi without inflicting substantive damage to the enemy, it can be very difficult to recover, in other words, Colossi are a leading cause of deathball. The second means that some units exist specifically to destroy massive air units because the Colossus is too powerful to be otherwise ignored: the Vikings, Corruptors and Tempests. Corruptors esspecially are a terribly boring unit. But they need to exist to prevent Colossi from dominating the game (as they did in WoL PvP, post 4gate). Meanwhile, that also means that most other massive flying units (like Battlecruisers and Carriers) can pretty much never be viable because having hard-counters to massive flying units is integral to current balance. | ||
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Kaizen[7]
United States86 Posts
On July 02 2014 04:35 Orcasgt24 wrote: It should be a Thor, 2 Hellions arms and 2 Vikings (legs) that merge into that megazord. And the Megazord has a melee attack and a AA AOE missile attack and can cliff walk I vote yes for these changes. | ||
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Pegas
Romania211 Posts
I would love DK to stop patching a wounded Terran and actualy perform a surgery. Medivac proposed change is something I realy dislike since the issue in a TvZ or TvP matchup was never the thaught of mutas always catching you or unloading units faster - I think the unit is fine as it is. Don`t get me wrong the widow mine buff might help in the short run but: Early to mid terran is still forced on the same bio 2 rax expand, or some crazy all in which fails most of time , so how about making early game viable by allowing something like concusive shells or the combat shield shorter research time? Or actualy find a way to make mech relevant early (bufffing helions I don`t think is a good ideea - I would love to see tanks viable again as an example because if u buff the mines again nobody will make tanks EVER). | ||
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jojamon
133 Posts
Possible infantry drops like in campaign with a Fusion Core upgrade too (might be kinda OP) so we can defend or reinforce fast anywhere where Terran has a building or something there. I think a definite possible upgrade would be for bunkers once fusion core tech has been reached, so we can add a turret on a bunker for more static defense, but once you upgrade the bunker to have a turret, you can no longer salvage it. | ||
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
On July 02 2014 04:02 Ctone23 wrote: I think he meant an energy ability on the OC to help buff a bunker. Or just trolling. I dn. I was serious but I guess the first guy to quote me was being facetious. My general point was an early game defensive mechanism that's similar to the overcharge. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Widow Mines? FUCK YES, bring back its glory and allow aggressive, action packed, back and forth WM focused mech play again! It also helps you defend and attack early AKA you can be more aggressive with your 1/1/1 marine tank type units instead of almost always having to wait for 3 fact. | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
They really should focus more on late game TvP by making Tanks and Thors be able to compete against Chargelot/Immortals and maybe a small nerf to Storm (duration from 4 to 6s, damage remains same) for Bio to compete against lategame Protoss armies. | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On July 02 2014 04:53 trifecta wrote: 2. In terms of recent tournament wins, Taeja is the 4th race. The legendary Xelnaga personified. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
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Code
Canada634 Posts
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
On July 02 2014 02:15 fenrysk wrote: this is just my nostalgia talking, and I'm not really being serious... but please un-nerf snipe. haha I would love this, had so much fun with snipe back when it was good | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
If nothing else, I want to see reapers throw bombs at buildings again, so make it an upgrade at rax tech lab that also requires a factory--the same requirement for reaper speed in WoL. I also wouldn't mind a small speed boost so they have a chance of getting away from lings the way hellions do. I don't care if the tech gets pushed back to fusion core if it gives terran an interesting harass in late game that isn't based on the medivac. | ||
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Superbanana
2369 Posts
Lotsa people mentioning siege tank... mech is good in TvZ (altough its map specific) and almost useless by design in TvP. So i don't think its a good buff. Or vikings as i said before, but it might not be a great idea. But medivac buff is silly and widow mine buff might make terran very strong in early TvP while still being weak late game. And how protoss will be slowed down to be safe? prolly making canons so its dumb. For TvZ widow mine buff looks good. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10691 Posts
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
1 - Siege-Tank buff = SiegeTanks do 35( + 25 to Armored) instead of 35 (+15 vs Armored) 2 - Tempest nerf = Tempests do 35 (+25 vs massive air) instead of 35 (+50 vs massive air) 3 - SwarmHost = increase locust lifetime by 3 seconds but remove the enduring Locusts upgrade 4 - Increase abduct range These address to problems than Terran (vs Protoss)/Protoss (vs Zerg), and Zerg (vs Protoss) have much better than increasing splash of WMines.. Try buff mech better instead of making Mutalisks too "bad" by increasing Mine splash.. Mines are already ridiculous enough.. It's time to think how Terran can alter their gameplay and buff options as well as bio/mech transitions in and out of, instead of buffing Bio-Mine.. The changes I said would: 1 - Solidify Tanks vs armored Protoss (as long as Protoss isn't too Zealot/Archon heavy or not fleet-based) 2 - Make Tempest Fleets more approachable by mech (even maybe making BCs viable "tank & yamato" for that matter) 3 - Reduce Strength of positioning of the Zerg by some good 50% - more like reducing the attacking capacity of that, while giving a slight "ease of investments" from the Zerg, thus making Swarmhosts more "combine" unit rather than "commit to" one 4 - Increase the defending capacity of Zerg instead of the "stalemate capacity" by making Vipers more "dangerous & safer" I know it's a complete overhaul, but changes are "slight" and will only open more options while still keeping viable the older ones OR - if not going all that "complicated route" - then at least give Tanks 14 range instead of 13 and give a try.. OR even - try making BCs 400/250 IN SHORT (edited for 2nd time to add this) - Don't buff Terran strong sides, instead make their weak less weak and more viable instead | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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