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anemoneya
Profile Joined October 2010
58 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 04:09:35
June 04 2014 23:56 GMT
#1
Nope, I'm not just talking about Sapinda, if that was what you were going to write.

Let me introduce myself briefly, I go by Anemoneya/모네야. I'm Korean-American. Being bilingual enabled me to absorb a lot more information from both Korean and English sources than anyone else. In that well known Azuwho thread, I may have been the most involved poster besides the OP. I've been actively researching about Azubu related stuff since then, often tipping Korean journalists about my findings, which ended up getting published. Hell, my story with Azubu goes wayyyy back. When I went to watch lol championship game from OGN at Yongsan e-sports stadium about 3 years ago, OGN staffs asked audiences in line to sign up at Azubu.com. I can still remember that those who signed up got gifted a can Redbull. I was like "What the hell is Azubu?" That was the beginning. That was even before Azubu started to sponsor lol teams.


While I contributed a lot to Azuwho thread, I realize that I shared too much skepticism that were not backed up by a solid evidence. Today I want to try to fix it, but I'm going to share other information and ask those involved to confirm it when the time is right.


All those gossips about money laundering... I may be the one responsible for it (at least in the western community). Such rumor got started in Korean websites first, and I delivered them here to TL forum with my subjective opinions on them.

Let's recap why such rumors got started:

1. There was a rumor that Azubu HQ in Berlin was pretty much empty office, while Azubu-korean division being the actual HQ.
2. Fact: Kim Seok ki was famous in Korea for successfully earning a lot of money using paper company. He was the first to use this technique in Korea.
3. Fact: Kim Seok ki has a lot of paper companies, and one of his paper companies owned trademark of "Azubu".
4. Fact: Paper companies are often used for money laundering or to minimize the tax.
5. Therefore, people somehow came to conclusion that Azubu was established to do shady stuff by Kim.
6. When Azubu failed, people including me started to say "omg expected! money launders!", etc.

I'm not a business major so I don't know well about how money is laundered, but after reading stuff on reddit/TL, I thought accusing of money laundering was just an over-speculation.

When Azubu closed its Korean office and fired all its employees, an insider(fired employee) tipped off a journalist. It was like this: "Kim wasn't trying to do shady stuff as the rumors say. He really thought he could make e-sports scene bigger and make big bucks out of it. The execution didn't go well and the plan simply failed". This is unofficial, and I didn't believe it at that time. Now come to think of it, it sounds likely and I think fired worker wouldn't need to lie about stuff anyway.


Am I here to defend Kim/Azubu/Clauf then? No way. I'm just saying at this time money laundering is not likely and we need to focus on more sensitive issue, "Who's actually running Clauf? Why can there be an (ethical) problem?"


Before I talk about Azubu/Clauf, let's go over Kim Seok Ki's profile
(source: http://newstapa.com/news/20134598 )

1. Kim profited $66 million US dollars off his scam and fled to Hong Kong.
2. The company he was at was left with debt of $420 million US dollars.
3. The government had to spend over billion dollars in dealing with this.
4. In 2007, Korea and Hong Kong signed Extradition law.
5. It is believed that Kim moved to UK because of this Extradition law being effective in HK.
6. He is still WANTED MAN in Korea. He's living peacefully in luxury mansion in London/Berlin, driving rolls royce, doing businesses through sapinda, paper companies(under his wife, son's name)
7. While Korean prosecution department is still looking for him, he remotely doing business in Korea. Very bold move.
8. One of them(RNTS) is confirmed, the other(Azubu) is suspected (more to come)
9. Newstapa investigated about RNTS media, and found out Kim was hidden owner of this company. This was discussed before, but they mention that while CEO was different person, Kim gave all the orders regarding decision making and management by conference call, video calls, and he had all the powers about appointment/firing workers. Because he is a wanted criminal, he can't be publicly be an acting CEO. He does business by appointing his man as CEO and giving orders. The money is invested from his Sapinda group and his wife,son's paper company, so his name never appears on paper.


I think this is how he is running Azubu and Clauf, too.


For Azubu, we have some testimonies from Ex-Azubu workers. Please read 2 pages of this thread here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/406145-esports-contributor-azuwho?page=24#478
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/406145-esports-contributor-azuwho?page=25

those are page 24 and 25, quoting the conversation between me, LightningStrikes (Ex-Azubu Korea), and Coraliine(Ex-Azubu Berlin),


Pictures of 3 individuals who work at clauf are here: http://clauf.com/

That third guy, CMO, is from OGN.

The Azubu Korea (former?) director, Lee Hyunggeun, and him are buddies.

Dr. Kim Seokki is the investor, everyone knew him at the Korea branch, he was akin to God.
I don't think a single Korean there knew of Lars Windhorst, or Silverio Park.
Some Koreans were sent to Berlin in 2011-12, they might know Park.

I really do think that they wanted to be good, but the director, Lee, is just a complete moron and extremely xenophobic.
The company had no direction, would work all hours of the day to produce nothing.
Just a ridiculous company.



This makes me think Kim was really the God in Azubu (still is..probably) and it explains how Silverio Park got fired like that. There was also a comment about seeing Kim in Berlin office.

So what now? I'm pretty sure Kim is running Clauf in the same way.


It explains where and how easily Clauf is getting money from:
Sapinda is not investing money in esports to get a return. Kim is using Sapinda to fund his company while not exposing his name.

Sucky management? Yeah, if CEO doesn't really have a power and is remotely controlled....while the real CEO is not even in the office/scene!


Of course, there is no evidence that Kim Seok Ki is the actual owner of Clauf. There are many small evidences leading to there, but still... That's why I wrote this post.


Clauf employees, or Ex-Claufs, If you ever saw this guy in the office or heard about him running Clauf, please let us know when it's time you are to speak up.

Pics of Kim: These are 10 years old. He might look little different nowdays.
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If the money is just invested by Sapinda group, that's OK in regards to ethics. While Lars and his buddies had failures in the past, declared bankruptcy, and are shady people according to article by Richard A. Lewis, they are not current criminals. There's no problem for them to run business and appear in public. However, Kim is different. He is a wanted criminal who still on the run. That's why he doesn't appear in public or run the company directly.


Some people here say dirty money is welcomed as long as it's used to grow e-sport scene. Would you say the same when the wanted criminal on the run is the head of your company? He is not a serial killer, but his act caused a lot of people to lose jobs, had impact on financial crisis of Korea which led to many suicides I heard.


If you saw Kim at Clauf, if you know he is the investor, if you know Kim is really the one running Clauf, please speak up and share the information(hopefully torte and frodan sees this). It would be right to warn people and keep others away from working under such criminal in the future. (too bad there's no bounty on him)


EDIT: uploaded pics instead of link
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
June 05 2014 00:02 GMT
#2
As long as they launder their money through esports Im cool with it.
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anemoneya
Profile Joined October 2010
58 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 00:09:44
June 05 2014 00:07 GMT
#3
To sum up: Sapinda is not just investing in Azubu/Clauf. It's very likely that Criminal Kim Seok Ki is remotely running those two companies, he used sapinda and other paper companies to conceal the fact that he's actual owner of the company.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 05 2014 00:08 GMT
#4
On June 05 2014 09:02 intense555 wrote:
As long as they launder their money through esports Im cool with it.


...
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
June 05 2014 00:09 GMT
#5
On June 05 2014 09:02 intense555 wrote:
As long as they launder their money through esports Im cool with it.

You just read an article that said they (probably) dont launder money, and this is your reply? Wat?
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JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
June 05 2014 00:13 GMT
#6
On June 05 2014 09:09 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 09:02 intense555 wrote:
As long as they launder their money through esports Im cool with it.

You just read an article that said they (probably) dont launder money, and this is your reply? Wat?


He didn't read it.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25130 Posts
June 05 2014 00:14 GMT
#7
On June 05 2014 09:09 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 09:02 intense555 wrote:
As long as they launder their money through esports Im cool with it.

You just read an article that said they (probably) dont launder money, and this is your reply? Wat?

Even aside from that it's a ridiculous thing to say lol
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TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
June 05 2014 00:48 GMT
#8
Interesting read. I'm interested in hearing what people like Frodan and Torte have to say about this (unlikely though).

Also we don't need to make all the comments in this thread about the first reply being stupid.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
June 05 2014 00:50 GMT
#9
So the companies aren't themselves criminal, but they are being run by a criminal. Interesting.
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anemoneya
Profile Joined October 2010
58 Posts
June 05 2014 01:02 GMT
#10
On June 05 2014 09:48 TechNoTrance wrote:
Interesting read. I'm interested in hearing what people like Frodan and Torte have to say about this (unlikely though).

Also we don't need to make all the comments in this thread about the first reply being stupid.


At least torte mentioned in his blog that he will do AMA on the matter when the time comes. Whether he saw kim/heard of him could be one of the questions he might answer.

This Kim guy can't go to korea (or will be arrested), but he can freely travel around the rest of the world, so i thought he might be in berlin.
I wonder if he had guts to show up in clauf office, because people already knew at that time about his identity. He might have visited azubu office when people didnt know about him. Hmm. If he is really behind clauf and never came to the office, only higher ups and management would know the truth, but oh well! Who knows, clauf employees might have heard countless times how great kim guy is, just like how he was well known in azubu korea
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
June 05 2014 01:20 GMT
#11
A few questions:

What do you mean by 'paper company'?

Can you post some sources for the 'facts'? You posted one for Kim Seok Ki's profile, but I get a 404 error.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
June 05 2014 01:21 GMT
#12
The link has an extra ) in it, it's all in Korean though so not sure how useful it'll be to you (not legible to me lol)

http://newstapa.com/news/20134598
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 05 2014 01:33 GMT
#13
If this theory is correct it's quite a bizarre story lol.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
June 05 2014 01:49 GMT
#14
On June 05 2014 10:20 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
A few questions:

What do you mean by 'paper company'?

Can you post some sources for the 'facts'? You posted one for Kim Seok Ki's profile, but I get a 404 error.


I think "paper company" means a company that only exists on paper.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
June 05 2014 01:55 GMT
#15
You should verify the picture you posted. It is a google image search and shows several different men and women.

Rehost the picture on www.imgur.com
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
June 05 2014 01:57 GMT
#16
so he is essentially a white collar criminal? Similar to bernie maddoff?
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 05 2014 02:08 GMT
#17
Hasn't it been known at least since the Azuwho thread that their was a large possibility that Kim Seok Ki was involved with Azubu? Since most people know that Clauf is basically Azubu, I don't see exactly what's new about this.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
June 05 2014 02:21 GMT
#18
On June 05 2014 10:21 Wuster wrote:
The link has an extra ) in it, it's all in Korean though so not sure how useful it'll be to you (not legible to me lol)

http://newstapa.com/news/20134598

Thanks! I tried google translate to limited success.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10671 Posts
June 05 2014 02:25 GMT
#19
More speculations...great......still feel sorry for all those who lost jobs, and all the unpaid people in this scandal....nice theory and writeup though..
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Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
June 05 2014 02:27 GMT
#20
The whole Azubu/Clauf thing is so sketchy. Wasn't there a thread earlier that was very similar to this one?
Jaedong <3
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 02:30:50
June 05 2014 02:30 GMT
#21
On June 05 2014 10:57 EJK wrote:
so he is essentially a white collar criminal? Similar to bernie maddoff?

"white collar criminal" is a term invented by middle to upper class (mostly white) people to excuse themselves from breaking the law and stepping on people for their own gain. they try to paint themselves as different from poor minorities who cheat or steal or use drugs, but the irony is those people at least have the "excuse" of lacking social resources to better themselves, whereas "white collar criminals" are just exploiting the system to gain wealth despite already being well off.
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
June 05 2014 02:32 GMT
#22
On June 05 2014 11:30 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 10:57 EJK wrote:
so he is essentially a white collar criminal? Similar to bernie maddoff?

"white collar criminal" is a term invented by middle to upper class (mostly white) people to excuse themselves from breaking the law and stepping on people for their own gain. they try to paint themselves as different from poor minorities who cheat or steal or use drugs, but the irony is those people at least have the "excuse" of lacking social resources to better themselves, whereas "white collar criminals" are just exploiting the system to gain wealth despite already being well off.

i know what it is, i just don't know what kind of criminal kim is being referred too, i would assume it is white collar coz of how much money he has
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anemoneya
Profile Joined October 2010
58 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 04:19:44
June 05 2014 04:14 GMT
#23
On June 05 2014 11:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Hasn't it been known at least since the Azuwho thread that their was a large possibility that Kim Seok Ki was involved with Azubu? Since most people know that Clauf is basically Azubu, I don't see exactly what's new about this.


Yeah, but there's difference.

First, people thought the companies are for money laundry or some shady business. Now with new information and posts from frodan, torte, etc, it's likely that two companies didn't have ill intentions. They just failed hard.

Second, we knew clauf was somewhat related to Azubu, but we couldn't relate them directly to Kim. People just thought Sapinda blindly invested in Clauf and appointed CEO. I'm suggesting that Kim used his own money and paid through Sapinda to start business, which failed again. Moreover I'm warning people to stay away from this criminal Kim, if possible.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 05 2014 04:16 GMT
#24
On June 05 2014 11:30 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 10:57 EJK wrote:
so he is essentially a white collar criminal? Similar to bernie maddoff?

"white collar criminal" is a term invented by middle to upper class (mostly white) people to excuse themselves from breaking the law and stepping on people for their own gain. they try to paint themselves as different from poor minorities who cheat or steal or use drugs, but the irony is those people at least have the "excuse" of lacking social resources to better themselves, whereas "white collar criminals" are just exploiting the system to gain wealth despite already being well off.

Oh. When I use the phrase "white collar criminal" I just use it as someone who broke the law in some kind of business setting. Doesn't mean I think of them as better than any other type of criminal.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
June 05 2014 04:22 GMT
#25
Great even more esport drama.....just what we need more off. As if there aren't more of it already....

I'd say that I'm kind of rather intrigued by the amount of effort that went through into writing this piece :D
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anemoneya
Profile Joined October 2010
58 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 04:30:28
June 05 2014 04:25 GMT
#26
When they say "Sapinda invests 35 mil to Azubu", I hear "Kim spends 35 mil on Azubu"
When they say "Sapinda decided to close down ESGN", I hear "Kim decided to close down ESGN"

or you can just say Sapinda = Kim. Kim is part of Sapinda or close enough to make investment through it.


All I need now is hearing whether ex-Clauf employee ever saw or heard of Kim when they were working in Berlin.
Or if they know there's some shady figure that Clauf's management team gets orders from.

I think when the CEO or management talks on the phone to Sapinda and they speak in Korean, it must be Kim on the other side of the phone.
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
June 05 2014 04:26 GMT
#27
Judging the replies, Id guess 2 people that have responded have actually read the article.
why?
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 05 2014 04:44 GMT
#28
I think the main take away: whoever is running Clauf/Azubu behind the scenes, is actually pretty terrible at it.

Running a business well (regardless of the financial outcome) isn't that hard, from a structural point of view. It just takes a lot of time & energy. But basic management skills. Which seems to be badly lacking.
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