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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 17 2014 04:17 Xiphos wrote: Just here to correct a few misconceptions. Relax bro. You straight out said that people on the SC2 community don't care about gameplay. There is no misconception there, you are just straight up insulting people. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 17 2014 04:24 Plansix wrote: You straight out said that people on the SC2 community don't care about gameplay. There is no misconception there, you are just straight up insulting people. No I'm not. There are many people who think that the game need no improvement what's ever. There is always room for improvement bro. | ||
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frajen86
168 Posts
On May 17 2014 03:51 Xiphos wrote: What other esport game that you can think of that is non-reliant by the parent company beside DotA2, Quake, 1.6, and CS 1.6? I am not "in" the community but what do you think of Super Smash Bros. Melee | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 17 2014 04:27 Xiphos wrote: No I'm not. There are many people who think that the game need no improvement what's ever. There is always room for improvement bro. Unless you're suggesting that BW needs to fixed and patched, then you are just insulting the SC2 community. The SC2 community is actually asking for and trying to fix SC2 to be the game they want it to be. I don't see the BW community trying to change and fix BW, but instead they simply tell other gamers how sad their game is for being not BW. So stop it. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On May 17 2014 04:27 Xiphos wrote: No I'm not. There are many people who think that the game need no improvement what's ever. There is always room for improvement bro. That's not the case at all. Just see all the threads and posts over the years about ways to improve the game. It's just quieter right now since people have given up hope that Blizzard would make the most necessary changes. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On May 17 2014 04:17 Xiphos wrote: Just here to correct a few misconceptions. Relax bro. None of the things that you're arguing against are questions that I raised in my point. I was basically just using broodwar as an example of an eSport that has a smaller scene than SC2 and yet doesn't spend all their time bitching about the game "dying" edit: Also, everyone should read the mod note, if we want to continue this thread, I suggest a new line of discussion. | ||
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Footler
United States560 Posts
If you like BW/SC2 I don't really see any reason to care what else is released. I suppose I can't speak for everyone but BW/SC2 pretty much have never had any real competition. I tried pretty much every RTS under the sun leading up to the release of SC2 hoping to find some hidden gem and they all were garbage. Even War3 only held my attention for like a grand total of maybe 2 months. So, what's the concern? We have LotV in the next 2ish years and the Starcraft scene in general is pretty mature and stable. The prize pools/viewers might decline a bit over the years but there will always be events and people playing the game. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
Would people be interested in a project to make a casual mod version of sc2? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17600 Posts
On May 17 2014 04:50 Footler wrote: I'm not really sure what this Jimmy vs the world debate is about. there are more people in the"RTS genre is declining." category in the survey than any other category. so its not like i'm holding some crazy viewpoint that no one agrees with. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On May 17 2014 03:51 Xiphos wrote: What other esport game that you can think of that is non-reliant by the parent company beside DotA2, Quake, 1.6, and CS 1.6? Easy stuff: smash | ||
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StreetWise
United States594 Posts
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
“Where I think about it, if we ever did Warcraft IV, I would want it to somehow play off this world that’s been made over the last ten years. I would love to see that if that’s what [the RTS team] decided they wanted to do. Heroes of the Storm is dominating that group at this point, though. But I’d love to see Warcraft IV take shape around what we did with WoW. Because so much of WoW came from Warcraft. Like, we were able to take a single map and turn it into a whole expansion. Stuff like that. It’d be cool to see them take our stuff and convert it back down.” http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/11/15/blizz-on-world-of-warcrafts-procedural-future-warcraft-iv/ | ||
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frajen86
168 Posts
2 votes for Smash! | ||
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frajen86
168 Posts
On May 17 2014 05:06 zlefin wrote: It's always hard to find out about the bulk casual users; since people like that aren't the people that post on forums much. Would people be interested in a project to make a casual mod version of sc2? What do you mean by "casual" mod? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17600 Posts
On May 17 2014 02:47 NihilisticGod wrote: What is the point in quoting someone then offering up an irrelevant morsel of information? I don't care if a game is AAA or not, it's about as important as further reading of your posts! AAA level graphics are what bring new potential general players into the RTS genre. like when CoH1 first came out in 2006. or SC2 in 2010 or RA3 in 2008. without AAA level graphics and support the players who are getting older and leaving won't be replaced. which is precisely what is happening right now. On May 17 2014 05:35 urboss wrote: Cory Stockton from Blizzard Nov 2013: “Where I think about it, if we ever did Warcraft IV, I would want it to somehow play off this world that’s been made over the last ten years. I would love to see that if that’s what [the RTS team] decided they wanted to do. Heroes of the Storm is dominating that group at this point, though. But I’d love to see Warcraft IV take shape around what we did with WoW. Because so much of WoW came from Warcraft. Like, we were able to take a single map and turn it into a whole expansion. Stuff like that. It’d be cool to see them take our stuff and convert it back down.” http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/11/15/blizz-on-world-of-warcrafts-procedural-future-warcraft-iv/ i wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard is hoping some great community game makers end up making WC4.. The tools are right there  Basically, the great Galaxy Builder or MOD Kit or whatever its called is a very nice exit strategy by Blizzard If SC2 were incredibly protfiable Blizzard would hire a bunch of people and have 1 team on RTS and 1 team on MOBA. unfortunately, that is not the case. If Blizzard's new MOBA makes major cash i suspect the "RTS Team" will all vote to just make more content for the MOBA. Gotta keep those bonus cheques coming in! Blizzard sure knows how to hire and expand its WoW team though! | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 17 2014 04:27 Xiphos wrote: No I'm not. There are many people who think that the game need no improvement what's ever. There is always room for improvement bro. I think you mix up "no room for improvement" with "I don't believe in this particular idea, even if people keep yelling about Warpgates". Like a lot of ideas about how to improve the game are based on BW. I rather think that leaving BW behind and focusing on a different experience would offer way more room for improvement. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
A mod intended for more casual, lower stress play; it's aim would be to be something that those of a more casual mindset would enjoy playing, while still being similar to normal sc2. It would likely involve considerably less clicking; and simplifying interfaces for ease of use and management; as well as many units tweaked for different gameplay patterns (kinda like the differences between dota and lol). | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On May 14 2014 05:09 Garrl wrote: pretty... sweeping statement you have there. You really think mobas have a lack of strategic depth? Item based Moba's do lack strategic depth, its becomes a race of "Who can get the enough gold to get enough items to do more damage faster" They weren't designed that way intentionally but thats what happened | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 17 2014 06:26 LongShot27 wrote: Item based Moba's do lack strategic depth, its becomes a race of "Who can get the enough gold to get enough items to do more damage faster" They weren't designed that way intentionally but thats what happened Expansion based RTS's do lack strategic depth, its becomes a race of "Who can get the enough resources to get enough units to do more damage faster" They weren't designed that way intentionally but thats what happened | ||
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
On May 17 2014 06:26 LongShot27 wrote: Item based Moba's do lack strategic depth, its becomes a race of "Who can get the enough gold to get enough items to do more damage faster" They weren't designed that way intentionally but thats what happened RTS's do lack strategic depth, it becomes a race of "Who can get enough money to get enough units to do more damage faster". Dota for sure isn't as simple as that, you've got drafts, game plans vs different compositions, builds that counter other builds better, keeping track of your opponents setups. Just like the common silly myth about SC style rts being about who can get the most dudes out the quickest isn't true. edit: god damnit magpie  what a theif | ||
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