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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
April 13 2014 12:48 GMT
#21
On April 13 2014 21:41 SCguineapig wrote:
would love to see a team league. perhaps throw some 4v4's in there. i think seeing 2 teams with 4 players fight it out in a 4v4 match would attract a lot of views. at least it is something other then 1v1 for a change.


Not the kind of team league the OP is referring to.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 13 2014 12:57 GMT
#22
Yes we need it, I would blindly trade a WCS season for a WCTS season.
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 13 2014 13:21 GMT
#23
Offline team leagues will never work outside of Korea, because foreign teams are spread of several continents, while Korean teams are located in the same city.

So, there´s online team-leagues, they´re just not as exciting.
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
April 13 2014 13:28 GMT
#24
On April 13 2014 18:25 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 18:23 Serimek wrote:
On April 13 2014 18:19 nkr wrote:
idno, i feel the team aspect of sc2 drives the need for exposure more than results, leaving us with the current climate where a demuslim is worth more than oz to a team

the more players that are able to secure personal deals, the better in my eyes


Personal deals are good for "star" players, maybe, but what for new comers then ?


I don't know to be honest, but something is rotten in StarCraft 2. I don't see bad (in comparison) players get the nod over the skilled ones in LoL, Dota2 or CS:GO.


There's NA LCS where the entire region can't compete with the others and yet they're still getting paid a ton of money because Riot protects them from international competition.
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
April 13 2014 13:32 GMT
#25
On April 13 2014 22:21 Daswollvieh wrote:
Offline team leagues will never work outside of Korea, because foreign teams are spread of several continents, while Korean teams are located in the same city.

So, there´s online team-leagues, they´re just not as exciting.

They work in every other eSport, they worked in WC3 (ESL's W3CL), so why exactly wouldn't they work in SC2?
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GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
April 13 2014 13:36 GMT
#26
i would love a serious TeamLeague like ProLeague outside korea
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chrislacny
Profile Joined February 2014
United States16 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 13:56:42
April 13 2014 13:51 GMT
#27
I agree -- proleague is by far the most entertaining sc2 tournament right now because team series let you watch several players and a variety of match ups witch is far more interesting then watching two players play out a best of 5/7 in my opinion. I also love that unlike wcs/gsl proleague has a long round-robin phase so not only do you get to see a greater variety of players and teams, but consistent results are rewarded, rather then prepping heavily for one match-up and/or advancing solely because you cheesed the **** out of one or two other guys. Team-leagues also give b-teamers an opportunity to play in televised matches and to play professionally allowing new players to improve and eventually become champions.

The reason a foreign team-league doesn't exist is because of expensive it is to host a competition of that caliber. The only reason proleague gets sufficient fund is because of huge corporate sponsors like SKT and Samsung funding both the teams and the tournament.
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SCguineapig
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Netherlands289 Posts
April 13 2014 14:44 GMT
#28
On April 13 2014 21:48 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 21:41 SCguineapig wrote:
would love to see a team league. perhaps throw some 4v4's in there. i think seeing 2 teams with 4 players fight it out in a 4v4 match would attract a lot of views. at least it is something other then 1v1 for a change.


Not the kind of team league the OP is referring to.



if i am correct (i dont really watch teamleagues) then a teamleague is a series of 1v1's between teams. whenever a player loses he is eliminated and another player from his team takes his place. this goes on until one of the two teams is defeated. what i meant was that it would be awesome go get a few 4v4's in there at the end of every series. it could be that i am totally wrong here and then this post can be ignored.
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 15:16:39
April 13 2014 15:11 GMT
#29
The Deimos Esports Team League, though played online, is the format you're looking for and features all the best purely NA teams. If we want something like that to grow we need a higher viewership. If more people watch when Season 2 comes around it could pick up more sponsors and who knows. Other than that it's quite difficult to have offline team leagues outside of Korea
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 15:37:11
April 13 2014 15:35 GMT
#30
I'm gonna be honest, I don't like team leagues.
I don't watch the Korean scene, and teams in the west give no fucks about teamleagues.

The last time I had fun watching a teamleague was during IPTL days.

Also, having a good roster for teamleague is too expensive for the current ROI Starcraft provide.
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10307 Posts
April 13 2014 15:42 GMT
#31
All the more reason to show ATC our full support.
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 13 2014 16:12 GMT
#32
On April 14 2014 00:35 Noocta wrote:
I'm gonna be honest, I don't like team leagues.
I don't watch the Korean scene, and teams in the west give no fucks about teamleagues.

The last time I had fun watching a teamleague was during IPTL days.

Also, having a good roster for teamleague is too expensive for the current ROI Starcraft provide.


Maybe this could tickle your taste buds. It has got some foreign teams, some Korean teams and 2v2's and fresh maps and other cool stuff.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 13 2014 16:29 GMT
#33
I like watching them too. Good to see a lot of players play matches that otherwise might not get a ton of games.

Stork and Flash come to mind since without SPL, I wouldn't see Flash or Stork play much at all so there's that element too.
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 13 2014 16:44 GMT
#34
On April 13 2014 22:32 mikkmagro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 22:21 Daswollvieh wrote:
Offline team leagues will never work outside of Korea, because foreign teams are spread of several continents, while Korean teams are located in the same city.

So, there´s online team-leagues, they´re just not as exciting.

They work in every other eSport, they worked in WC3 (ESL's W3CL), so why exactly wouldn't they work in SC2?


Well, there have been team leagues like IPTL and ATC, so they are working somewhat. What I´m saying is, I can´t see them growing because:

a) They have to be online, since foreign teams are spread all over the globe, which kills a lot of the team-competition atmosphere. Without team benches and uniforms and high-fiving there´s not much difference to the viewer than watching a random online event.

b) It´s way more efficient to send a couple of players for a weekend-long tournament, than sending an entire team, even if there were such big team competitions.

I see it virtually impossible to do something like Proleague outside of Korea as long as there´s no other esports capitol that holds many relevant teams. I mean, there´s the Taiwanese league, which made it work because, again, it´s one city. Online competition is just not nearly as exciting, it lacks the human element, which is huge in sports.
claybones
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States244 Posts
April 13 2014 17:24 GMT
#35
I miss IGN TAC. That was the best league North America ever had.
FrogsAreDogs
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada181 Posts
April 13 2014 17:44 GMT
#36
Man..... I disagree completely with the author in OP's post. There are way too many one hit wonder solutions ever since Starcraft 2's release. A premier team league in NA sounds fantastic and all, but who is gonna set this up? Which organization is going to contribute the massive amount of time and money to setup a PREMIER team league, and where would these dedicated NA teams come from? Apart from EG, Liquid, and Root, we don't nearly have enough dedicated professional SC2 teams, at least not on the level of the Korean proleague teams. Where would these teams come from? With NASL departing from SC2, we have even less manpower and money to make this happen. We have smaller scale team leagues like ATC and Deimos team league, because that is what our current NA scene can support. These smaller leagues are gaining a lot of support and popularity, but that does not mean a PREMIER team league will just magically appear out of thin air.

At the end of the day, anyone can list off a bunch of one hit wonders, but who is going to put in the EFFORT and MONEY to make it happen?

YO
Rikudou
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany151 Posts
April 19 2014 16:45 GMT
#37
there is one problem though.. korea is a small country and europe and norhtmaerica are continents.. for example if ESL wants to start a teamleague like SPL then ALL players have to live in germany...
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MonkeyBot
Profile Joined June 2013
United States125 Posts
April 21 2014 18:02 GMT
#38
I think we need to keep supporting and participating in smaller leagues to help drum up hype for premier team leagues - these may not be perfect but they are worth checking out, for what they try to do: SC2L, TeamStory Cup, Shoutcraft Clan Wars, z33k tournaments, Chobo Team League, SC2CTL, even the Sub Wars night that BaseTradeTV ran a few days ago.

Again, I know they aren't perfect and aren't what the OP was asking for, but they are still worth supporting. Every little bit helps the scene.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
April 21 2014 18:24 GMT
#39
i would love a team league, but it seems that far too many use the all-kill format, only ever used in proleague initially as a one-round change of pace, which discourages team depth in favour of relying on one or two players that can run the table. especially if teams utilise koreans for that role.

On April 20 2014 01:45 Rikudou wrote:
there is one problem though.. korea is a small country and europe and norhtmaerica are continents.. for example if ESL wants to start a teamleague like SPL then ALL players have to live in germany...


bleh, i couldn't care less if a tournament is live or online.
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 18:41:25
April 21 2014 18:40 GMT
#40
Maybe the most feasible way of doing this live and personal would be a team tournament instead of a team league? Say the top 32 teams invited for a weekend tournament. Two group stages with the top two going through. Then a single-elimination bracket from the Ro8 onwards.
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