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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On April 06 2014 05:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody. I agree. It's completely legal in the country that they are sponsoring in. It's not like they are being sponsored by drug dealers. Everything here is legal and legitimate. | ||
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buckKeefe
United States63 Posts
Everything here is legal and legitimate. definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred). still, more sponsors is better than fewer sponsors, so good for axiom! | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
what in the fuck? | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On April 06 2014 06:20 buckKeefe wrote: definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (and thus presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred) 1. Axiom has other sponsors 2. It's not like esport games usually survive for 20 years, so the people doing the sponsorships don't have to be stable. Everything in esports is very shorterm. 3. It's not a company giving sponsorship, rather donations in the /r/Bitcoin subreddit. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On April 06 2014 05:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody. What about Azubu though? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/447034-azubu-receives-345-million-from-sapinda-esgn | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
Nah man it's freedom of speech man imma talk to slasher and get him on the case man. he always stands up for the little guy and aint afraid of the big entities like eg or common sense. Anyway, I guess DogeCoin will probably jump into this at some point since their joke-currency is doing pretty well. | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
Congratulations Axiom! | ||
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TundrA.
Canada35 Posts
Bitcoin itself may not change the world, but the ideas it has given rise to probably will... kinda like SC2 esports! GOGO AXIOM! EDIT: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21599054-how-crypto-currency-could-become-internet-money-hidden-flipside | ||
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Oakenshield
United States347 Posts
I am all for new types of sponsors getting involved in the Dota scene, but one that is not stable or productive is probably not a good direction for a scene that has already been scammed by a couple of managers this year. I made this post without even going into Silkroad or any of the typical bitcoin use, really I just wanted to mention the minimum to explain the reaction in this thread being a logical one. | ||
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YourMom
Romania565 Posts
On April 06 2014 07:11 Oakenshield wrote: It's not "trolling" to mock bitcoin, it's rational and helpful. It's essentially a weird internet stock market with no real law to prevent the abuse of it. The number of people who run bitcoin sites and servers and have literally taken the money and ran is hilarious, not to mention innocent people who tried to make money off bitcoin and essentially just stole the equivalent amount of money from their parents via the electric bill. I am all for new types of sponsors getting involved in the Dota scene, but one that is not stable or productive is probably not a good direction for a scene that has already been scammed by a couple of managers this year. I made this post without even going into Silkroad or any of the typical bitcoin use, really I just wanted to mention the minimum to explain the reaction in this thread being a logical one. It is NOT essentially a weird internet stock market. You're not helpful or rational when mocking. | ||
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Oakenshield
United States347 Posts
On April 06 2014 07:13 YourMom wrote: It is NOT essentially a weird internet stock market. You're not helpful or rational when mocking. I make a half dozen points and you reply to one of them without explaining why you are right and I am wrong. You did the opposite of being helpful while complaining that I was not helpful? Please re-read your post and consider what it accomplished beyond blindly showing support for bitcoin. | ||
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TundrA.
Canada35 Posts
On April 06 2014 07:11 Oakenshield wrote: It's not "trolling" to mock bitcoin, it's rational and helpful. It's essentially a weird internet stock market with no real law to prevent the abuse of it. The number of people who run bitcoin sites and servers and have literally taken the money and ran is hilarious, not to mention innocent people who tried to make money off bitcoin and essentially just stole the equivalent amount of money from their parents via the electric bill. I am all for new types of sponsors getting involved in the Dota scene, but one that is not stable or productive is probably not a good direction for a scene that has already been scammed by a couple of managers this year. I made this post without even going into Silkroad or any of the typical bitcoin use, really I just wanted to mention the minimum to explain the reaction in this thread being a logical one. As it turns out, people steal/waste dollars too. Shockingly, the drug trade also predates bitcoin. I have always been a bitcoin skeptic myself, but this is the thread to celebrate a sponsorship for Axiom, not a general debate on the currency itself. If you want to have that debate, find the thread for it.... or perhaps go to /r/bitcoin  | ||
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TundrA.
Canada35 Posts
On April 06 2014 05:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody. better to just drown out the haters with the 'congrats!' posts tbh frustrating as it may be, this is after all the internet. Besides, the sponsor is a subreddit! Surely they are aware of ppl being annoying on forums | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On April 06 2014 07:04 tshi wrote: Nah man it's freedom of speech man imma talk to slasher and get him on the case man. he always stands up for the little guy and aint afraid of the big entities like eg or common sense. Anyway, I guess DogeCoin will probably jump into this at some point since their joke-currency is doing pretty well. No, it's not freedom of speech. Firstly it is illegal for an individual to spread lies about an individual such as let's say me telling your boss or a girl you are interested in, that you have a sexually transmitted disease, essentially anything that tarnishes your reputation falsely cannot be said. I think a similar stance can be taken for companies when blind insults are given, I don't know exactly how the law works in this case, and I imagine individuals get more protection, but I think it's completely reasonable for TL to take that stance. And number two, if you want to support esports, really the worst thing you can do is just call out sponsors and calling what they do illegal and blah blah. Like if it's some really big and clear stuff, I get it. But there is no evidence that /r/Bitcoin is doing anything wrong. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On April 06 2014 07:24 TundrA. wrote: better to just drown out the haters with the 'congrats!' posts tbh frustrating as it may be, this is after all the internet. Besides, the sponsor is a subreddit! Surely they are aware of ppl being annoying on forums Luckily TL is better than that. And teamliquid does a great job of hammering down most of the people that behave like the "general internet". Just remember, teamliquid does not say anywhere they condone free speech. Teamliquid tries to be reasonable as possible, however if your beliefs are way different from teamliquid and are deemed to be harmful, you will be removed. Considering they own the website they have every right to do so as well. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 06 2014 06:20 buckKeefe wrote: definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred). still, more sponsors is better than fewer sponsors, so good for axiom! If you were a player you'd understand that a small sponsorship like r/bitcoin makes next to no difference monetarily and not a single shred of their salary is "contingent" on the bitcoin market. But that would require common sense. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
On April 06 2014 08:04 TotalBiscuit wrote: If you were a player you'd understand that a small sponsorship like r/bitcoin makes next to no difference monetarily and not a single shred of their salary is "contingent" on the bitcoin market. But that would require common sense. For some reason i can picture Ryung eagerly following bitcoin as though his livelihood depends on it. Could do some silly skits based on this. | ||
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leova
266 Posts
(It was invented from NOTHING and exists as NOTHING, and can be created with Dell PCs. It will never be a legitimate international currency) But I do wish TB and Axiom the best in their endeavors. They really are a fantastic group, providing tons of opportunities to SC2 players(and especially displaced Korean pros), so them getting a sponsor is a good thing in general  | ||
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