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Axiom eSports is pleased to announce our newest sponsor, /r/Bitcoin!
/r/Bitcoin is the Reddit subcommunity devoted to the discussion and exchange of information surrounding the digital currency Bitcoin used worldwide. It’s a great place to find resources on Bitcoin cryptocurrency along with information on how to get started. Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency that is accepted by a growing number of businesses online. It can be used to transfer funds to others instantly at any time with a negligible fee as well as stay anonymous and secure online with your transactions, avoiding the pitfalls of credit card fraud.
Moderator of the subreddit Piotr Piasecki gave a statement about the new partnership saying “We at the /r/Bitcoin community are excited to be working with TotalBiscuit again. The community response during the Bitcoin Starcraft was very positive, so we decided to continue the relationship. We hope the sponsorship will be useful to the Axiom team and will promote the Bitcoin use in eSports scene.”
"We're happy to be working with the folks over at r/Bitcoin once again,” stated TotalBiscuit. “We previously worked together to bring the biggest showmatch in SC2 history into being and it went off without a hitch. It makes sense for something as cutting edge as cryptocurrency to be involved with another cutting edge industry like eSports. An increasing number of sites are starting to accept Bitcoin including Starcraft’s own Teamliquid and /r/Bitcoin is a great place to find guides and information on how to start using cryptocurrency. We'd like to thank the /r/Bitcoin community for their support and hope to bring home results in return.”
Source : http://axiomesports.com/articles/news/axiom-esports/73/Announcing-rBitcoin-Sponsorship/
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So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash?
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On April 05 2014 22:25 Master of DalK wrote:
So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash?
As long as it really is cash and not bitcoin.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Wow TB is good at business
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On April 05 2014 22:25 Master of DalK wrote:
So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash?
Inb4 the sponsorship is a bunch of mining rigs. But it does come with reddit gold and random tips for crank's reddit account!
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On April 05 2014 22:27 myxoma_strain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 22:25 Master of DalK wrote:
So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash? As long as it really is cash and not bitcoin.
I'd rather have bitcoin tbh. Getting bitcoin is like getting cash with a sick interest rate.
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Fucking awesome! my two loves of bitcoin and starcraft are merging!
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On April 05 2014 22:46 Amazonic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 22:27 myxoma_strain wrote:On April 05 2014 22:25 Master of DalK wrote:
So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash? As long as it really is cash and not bitcoin. I'd rather have bitcoin tbh. Getting bitcoin is like getting cash with a sick interest rate.
Sick indeed! About -50% over the past four months....
Well, grats to Axiom, although I wonder how a subreddit can make enough money to sponsor a team... Still, I'm very excited for TB and the rest of the team!
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On April 05 2014 22:55 jakethesnake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 22:46 Amazonic wrote:On April 05 2014 22:27 myxoma_strain wrote:On April 05 2014 22:25 Master of DalK wrote:
So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash? As long as it really is cash and not bitcoin. I'd rather have bitcoin tbh. Getting bitcoin is like getting cash with a sick interest rate. Sick indeed! About -50% over the past four months.... Well, grats to Axiom, although I wonder how a subreddit can make enough money to sponsor a team... Still, I'm very excited for TB and the rest of the team!
It's reddit man. Nothing that happens on that site makes sense.
Gratz to Axiom and Totalbiscuit. Can't wait to see the jersey patch lol
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On April 05 2014 23:00 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 22:55 jakethesnake wrote:On April 05 2014 22:46 Amazonic wrote:On April 05 2014 22:27 myxoma_strain wrote:On April 05 2014 22:25 Master of DalK wrote:
So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash? As long as it really is cash and not bitcoin. I'd rather have bitcoin tbh. Getting bitcoin is like getting cash with a sick interest rate. Sick indeed! About -50% over the past four months.... Well, grats to Axiom, although I wonder how a subreddit can make enough money to sponsor a team... Still, I'm very excited for TB and the rest of the team! It's reddit man. Nothing that happens on that site makes sense. Gratz to Axiom and Totalbiscuit. Can't wait to see the jersey patch lol
I'm gonna assume using similar methods that dogecoin did seeing as they are sponsoring a nascar driver.
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On April 05 2014 23:03 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 23:00 Orcasgt24 wrote:On April 05 2014 22:55 jakethesnake wrote:On April 05 2014 22:46 Amazonic wrote:On April 05 2014 22:27 myxoma_strain wrote:On April 05 2014 22:25 Master of DalK wrote:
So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash? As long as it really is cash and not bitcoin. I'd rather have bitcoin tbh. Getting bitcoin is like getting cash with a sick interest rate. Sick indeed! About -50% over the past four months.... Well, grats to Axiom, although I wonder how a subreddit can make enough money to sponsor a team... Still, I'm very excited for TB and the rest of the team! It's reddit man. Nothing that happens on that site makes sense. Gratz to Axiom and Totalbiscuit. Can't wait to see the jersey patch lol I'm gonna assume using similar methods that dogecoin did seeing as they are sponsoring a nascar driver.
also sent the jamaican bobsled team to sochi
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oh bitcoin still exists and its growing, I didn't know. Sponsorship already successful I guess.
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I think this is the first time I've seen a subreddit become an official sponsor of an organization.
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Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though.
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Congratulations TB, Axiom and /r/BitCoin.
I hope the combination of this and (hopefully) good merchandise sales mean that Axiom can get that second zerg on their roster.
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Reddit helping sponsor TB? Interesting…
Good luck to both of them.
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I wonder just how much they are providing, but cool nonetheless.
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So the players get paid a bitcoin salary? 
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On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though.
Thanks for your expert business advice.
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this is like when a cute guy and a cute girl get togheter like they were meant for each other?
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extremely volatile currency that has historically had massive down periods to rival its benefits joins up with team in extremely volatile industry that has historically had massive down periods to rival its benefits.
well whatever, good luck.
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Man I was gonna make a joke about soO blowing his savings faster than bitcoin speculator but I guess I have to be nice now D:
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Sweet, good job TB! 
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Congrats Axiom. Always good to see more sponsors
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Congrats on the sponsorship.
Edit: nvm
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wow this is pretty cool, first team to be sponsored by a virtual currency :O Congrats TB, Axiom and /r/BitCoin!
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On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice.
Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand.
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On April 06 2014 02:07 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice. Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand.
I went looking around the subreddit and apparently they have an advertising budget based on donations.
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Russian Federation604 Posts
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More like BUTTCOIN!!!! AMR?????
User was warned for this post
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This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh
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Cool, I guess. I was kind of hoping an unknown or some up and coming entity would receive this sponsorship when I first saw the idea floated. But, like TB said, it's business. The one with the most prestige and "business sense" will always triumph.
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once everything ends up working fine(for everyone involved), can we get some insights into how exactly a subreddit managed to sponsor a team.
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On April 06 2014 03:34 ilsamsamchil wrote:
once everything ends up working fine(for everyone involved), can we get some insights into how exactly a subreddit managed to sponsor a team.
Someone posted it in the thread already, just go back a few posts and you'll find it.
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So it's basically sponsor money fuelled by donations.
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On April 06 2014 03:42 sumsaR wrote:
So it's basically sponsor money fuelled by donations.
They stand to gain from exposure just like any other sponsor, it's just decentralized.
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Bitcoin needs to evangalize not just to increase value, but stay alive.
The more people they can get to believe in Bitcoin, the more value it has. If you have 100 coins, and can convince 50,000 people that they are worth money, they may increase demand, making your coins increase in value, and it's worth your time.
So, makes perfect sense to me. More advertising, more chances at evangalizing, and hopefully Axiom gets something good out of it.
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On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh
You talk like it's illegal.
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probably one of the worst reddit communities there is, but well money for starcraft is a good thing I guess
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OT: Read Permutation City, it's pretty much what bitcoin could result in some day
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On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal.
You talk like its not illegal.
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On April 06 2014 02:07 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice. Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand.
Doing some research would probably help.
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Looks like a lot of close-minded people in this thread are responding overwhelmingly.. which actually surprises me. I think this is great for Axiom and /r/Bitcoin. These are two things of which could not exist without today's technology. I think we'll see more and more virtual currency adaptation in to E-Sports and online gaming in general. It makes sense to use a global currency/commodity available to everyone online, with a game/sport that is also available to the same demographic.
Also, for those responding with comments that bitcoin value is volatile etc etc.. if you look at the full picture, it's value year over year has always been in an upward trend. Not that anyone at Axiom is solely betting on this as some sort of long-term investment, but rather it's a sponsorship, and all they really need is support which is exactly what they are getting!
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On April 06 2014 04:44 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal. You talk like its not illegal.
I have no words...
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Yep, the bitterness is silly considering most sponsors don't offer anything valuable anyway and sell things like overpriced peripherals which will totally make you a better gamerTM.
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On April 06 2014 04:00 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Bitcoin needs to evangalize not just to increase value, but stay alive.
The more people they can get to believe in Bitcoin, the more value it has. If you have 100 coins, and can convince 50,000 people that they are worth money, they may increase demand, making your coins increase in value, and it's worth your time.
So, makes perfect sense to me. More advertising, more chances at evangalizing, and hopefully Axiom gets something good out of it.
I just woke up so I can't tell if you are intentionally calling it a pyramid scheme or not. tone on the internet is hard 
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reddit sponsoring a team? that's the first time I see that. Well, I don't think it's a bad thing if they can provide something the team needs.
Still, grats, and let's see what they can bring to the table.
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On April 06 2014 05:03 linkhimura wrote:
reddit sponsoring a team? that's the first time I see that. Well, I don't think it's a bad thing if they can provide something the team needs.
Still, grats, and let's see what they can bring to the table.
What do you mean? They are obviously giving financial support. What does "let's see what they can bring to the table" mean? They'll bring money, like sponsors in most sports.
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On April 06 2014 05:02 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:00 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Bitcoin needs to evangalize not just to increase value, but stay alive.
The more people they can get to believe in Bitcoin, the more value it has. If you have 100 coins, and can convince 50,000 people that they are worth money, they may increase demand, making your coins increase in value, and it's worth your time.
So, makes perfect sense to me. More advertising, more chances at evangalizing, and hopefully Axiom gets something good out of it. I just woke up so I can't tell if you are intentionally calling it a pyramid scheme or not. tone on the internet is hard
Oh, not at all. I'm just a non believer. I have friends who are believers. I just notice that it has a lot to do with faith and evangalizing to increase value. Not anything else. Power perceived is power achieved, and all that. It's nice that you truly believe in it's value. Your belief helps add to it! There's certainly room for more believers and more value too. I just looked at it, and choose to step aside, ignoring all possible gains and losses. I'd rather not be involved in something that is only valuable if everyone involved it in is a good salesman.
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On April 06 2014 05:09 Fuzzmosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 05:02 OmniEulogy wrote:On April 06 2014 04:00 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Bitcoin needs to evangalize not just to increase value, but stay alive.
The more people they can get to believe in Bitcoin, the more value it has. If you have 100 coins, and can convince 50,000 people that they are worth money, they may increase demand, making your coins increase in value, and it's worth your time.
So, makes perfect sense to me. More advertising, more chances at evangalizing, and hopefully Axiom gets something good out of it. I just woke up so I can't tell if you are intentionally calling it a pyramid scheme or not. tone on the internet is hard Oh, not at all. I'm just a non believer. I have friends who are believers. I just notice that it has a lot to do with faith and evangalizing to increase value. Not anything else. Power perceived is power achieved, and all that. It's nice that you truly believe in it's value. Your belief helps add to it! There's certainly room for more believers and more value too. I just looked at it, and choose to step aside, ignoring all possible gains and losses. I'd rather not be involved in something that is only valuable if everyone involved it in is a good salesman.
Yeah, it's like a god in the Forgotten Realms or a Terry Prachett book.
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All currencies are like that though: money's value is determined collectively. National currencies just have a government that's promised to accept them in return for stuff and maintain their value by not inflating them, but that promise is only as good as the word of that particular government.
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On April 05 2014 22:55 jakethesnake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 22:46 Amazonic wrote:On April 05 2014 22:27 myxoma_strain wrote:On April 05 2014 22:25 Master of DalK wrote:
So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash? As long as it really is cash and not bitcoin. I'd rather have bitcoin tbh. Getting bitcoin is like getting cash with a sick interest rate. Sick indeed! About -50% over the past four months.... Well, grats to Axiom, although I wonder how a subreddit can make enough money to sponsor a team... Still, I'm very excited for TB and the rest of the team!
You mean in the ONE month?
Bitcoin basically went from 1k/coin to 400/coin in couple week, even its biggest bitcoin market exchange crashed and went out of business. Its value is around 400-450/coin with no centralized market right now.
At least that was the last time I heard and cared about bitcoin.
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On April 06 2014 04:44 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal. You talk like its not illegal.
Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody.
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On April 06 2014 05:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:44 Targe wrote:On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal. You talk like its not illegal. Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody.
well it is not recognized as currency in some countries, which is the closest to illegality you can get for something that claims to be a currency. It's more speculative than wall street too.
I'm sure a bunch of the biggest esports sponsor have illegal activities too, mainly tax dodging so it's not a precedent either...
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On April 06 2014 05:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:44 Targe wrote:On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal. You talk like its not illegal. Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody.
I agree.
It's completely legal in the country that they are sponsoring in. It's not like they are being sponsored by drug dealers. Everything here is legal and legitimate.
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Everything here is legal and legitimate.
definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred).
still, more sponsors is better than fewer sponsors, so good for axiom!
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On April 06 2014 04:44 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal. You talk like its not illegal.
what in the fuck?
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On April 06 2014 06:20 buckKeefe wrote:definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (and thus presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred)
1. Axiom has other sponsors
2. It's not like esport games usually survive for 20 years, so the people doing the sponsorships don't have to be stable. Everything in esports is very shorterm.
3. It's not a company giving sponsorship, rather donations in the /r/Bitcoin subreddit.
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I guess they need to actively market their product now that the bitcoin bubble is popping.
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On April 06 2014 06:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 05:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 04:44 Targe wrote:On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal. You talk like its not illegal. Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody. I agree.
Nah man it's freedom of speech man imma talk to slasher and get him on the case man. he always stands up for the little guy and aint afraid of the big entities like eg or common sense.
Anyway, I guess DogeCoin will probably jump into this at some point since their joke-currency is doing pretty well.
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TotalBiscuit more like TotalBadass.
Congratulations Axiom!
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It's not "trolling" to mock bitcoin, it's rational and helpful. It's essentially a weird internet stock market with no real law to prevent the abuse of it. The number of people who run bitcoin sites and servers and have literally taken the money and ran is hilarious, not to mention innocent people who tried to make money off bitcoin and essentially just stole the equivalent amount of money from their parents via the electric bill.
I am all for new types of sponsors getting involved in the Dota scene, but one that is not stable or productive is probably not a good direction for a scene that has already been scammed by a couple of managers this year. I made this post without even going into Silkroad or any of the typical bitcoin use, really I just wanted to mention the minimum to explain the reaction in this thread being a logical one.
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On April 06 2014 07:11 Oakenshield wrote:
It's not "trolling" to mock bitcoin, it's rational and helpful. It's essentially a weird internet stock market with no real law to prevent the abuse of it. The number of people who run bitcoin sites and servers and have literally taken the money and ran is hilarious, not to mention innocent people who tried to make money off bitcoin and essentially just stole the equivalent amount of money from their parents via the electric bill.
I am all for new types of sponsors getting involved in the Dota scene, but one that is not stable or productive is probably not a good direction for a scene that has already been scammed by a couple of managers this year. I made this post without even going into Silkroad or any of the typical bitcoin use, really I just wanted to mention the minimum to explain the reaction in this thread being a logical one.
It is NOT essentially a weird internet stock market.
You're not helpful or rational when mocking.
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On April 06 2014 07:13 YourMom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 07:11 Oakenshield wrote:
It's not "trolling" to mock bitcoin, it's rational and helpful. It's essentially a weird internet stock market with no real law to prevent the abuse of it. The number of people who run bitcoin sites and servers and have literally taken the money and ran is hilarious, not to mention innocent people who tried to make money off bitcoin and essentially just stole the equivalent amount of money from their parents via the electric bill.
I am all for new types of sponsors getting involved in the Dota scene, but one that is not stable or productive is probably not a good direction for a scene that has already been scammed by a couple of managers this year. I made this post without even going into Silkroad or any of the typical bitcoin use, really I just wanted to mention the minimum to explain the reaction in this thread being a logical one. It is NOT essentially a weird internet stock market. You're not helpful or rational when mocking.
I make a half dozen points and you reply to one of them without explaining why you are right and I am wrong. You did the opposite of being helpful while complaining that I was not helpful? Please re-read your post and consider what it accomplished beyond blindly showing support for bitcoin.
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On April 06 2014 07:11 Oakenshield wrote:
It's not "trolling" to mock bitcoin, it's rational and helpful. It's essentially a weird internet stock market with no real law to prevent the abuse of it. The number of people who run bitcoin sites and servers and have literally taken the money and ran is hilarious, not to mention innocent people who tried to make money off bitcoin and essentially just stole the equivalent amount of money from their parents via the electric bill.
I am all for new types of sponsors getting involved in the Dota scene, but one that is not stable or productive is probably not a good direction for a scene that has already been scammed by a couple of managers this year. I made this post without even going into Silkroad or any of the typical bitcoin use, really I just wanted to mention the minimum to explain the reaction in this thread being a logical one.
As it turns out, people steal/waste dollars too. Shockingly, the drug trade also predates bitcoin. I have always been a bitcoin skeptic myself, but this is the thread to celebrate a sponsorship for Axiom, not a general debate on the currency itself. If you want to have that debate, find the thread for it.... or perhaps go to /r/bitcoin 
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On April 06 2014 05:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:44 Targe wrote:On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal. You talk like its not illegal. Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody.
better to just drown out the haters with the 'congrats!' posts tbh
frustrating as it may be, this is after all the internet. Besides, the sponsor is a subreddit! Surely they are aware of ppl being annoying on forums
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On April 06 2014 07:04 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 06:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:On April 06 2014 05:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 04:44 Targe wrote:On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal. You talk like its not illegal. Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody. I agree. Nah man it's freedom of speech man imma talk to slasher and get him on the case man. he always stands up for the little guy and aint afraid of the big entities like eg or common sense. Anyway, I guess DogeCoin will probably jump into this at some point since their joke-currency is doing pretty well.
No, it's not freedom of speech.
Firstly it is illegal for an individual to spread lies about an individual such as let's say me telling your boss or a girl you are interested in, that you have a sexually transmitted disease, essentially anything that tarnishes your reputation falsely cannot be said. I think a similar stance can be taken for companies when blind insults are given, I don't know exactly how the law works in this case, and I imagine individuals get more protection, but I think it's completely reasonable for TL to take that stance.
And number two, if you want to support esports, really the worst thing you can do is just call out sponsors and calling what they do illegal and blah blah. Like if it's some really big and clear stuff, I get it. But there is no evidence that /r/Bitcoin is doing anything wrong.
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On April 06 2014 07:24 TundrA. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 05:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 04:44 Targe wrote:On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal. You talk like its not illegal. Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody. better to just drown out the haters with the 'congrats!' posts tbh frustrating as it may be, this is after all the internet. Besides, the sponsor is a subreddit! Surely they are aware of ppl being annoying on forums
Luckily TL is better than that. And teamliquid does a great job of hammering down most of the people that behave like the "general internet".
Just remember, teamliquid does not say anywhere they condone free speech. Teamliquid tries to be reasonable as possible, however if your beliefs are way different from teamliquid and are deemed to be harmful, you will be removed. Considering they own the website they have every right to do so as well.
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The people who just want to argue against bitcoin in this thread are really annoying.
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On April 06 2014 06:20 buckKeefe wrote:definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred). still, more sponsors is better than fewer sponsors, so good for axiom!
If you were a player you'd understand that a small sponsorship like r/bitcoin makes next to no difference monetarily and not a single shred of their salary is "contingent" on the bitcoin market.
But that would require common sense.
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On April 06 2014 08:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 06:20 buckKeefe wrote:Everything here is legal and legitimate. definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred). still, more sponsors is better than fewer sponsors, so good for axiom! If you were a player you'd understand that a small sponsorship like r/bitcoin makes next to no difference monetarily and not a single shred of their salary is "contingent" on the bitcoin market. But that would require common sense.
For some reason i can picture Ryung eagerly following bitcoin as though his livelihood depends on it. Could do some silly skits based on this.
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Bitcoin is, and always will be, a joke...
(It was invented from NOTHING and exists as NOTHING, and can be created with Dell PCs. It will never be a legitimate international currency)
But I do wish TB and Axiom the best in their endeavors. They really are a fantastic group, providing tons of opportunities to SC2 players(and especially displaced Korean pros), so them getting a sponsor is a good thing in general
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On April 06 2014 08:16 leova wrote:Bitcoin is, and always will be, a joke... (It was invented from NOTHING and exists as NOTHING, and can be created with Dell PCs. It will never be a legitimate international currency) But I do wish TB and Axiom the best in their endeavors. They really are a fantastic group, providing tons of opportunities to SC2 players(and especially displaced Korean pros), so them getting a sponsor is a good thing in general
Without going into details about how bitcoin works, the miners and how it inherits its value/is valued etc:
Do you know what a joke the more widely used fiat currency is? It is truly based on nothing, is being printed like its christmas eve (by the federal reserve, look up quantitative easing etc). Back in the day it was gold backed, but not so much anymore.... Today it's nothing but castles in the clouds (loan bubbles, and non-stop printed money).
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yeah, but at least there's the whole "US Government backs this piece of paper" thing, what with it being written on the money and all...
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God... r/bitcoin is not full of genius person :D
But teamliquid seems a lot worst.
If you do not like bitcoin, it's your life, this sponsoring is good for E-sport and this Team.
But all i see is people do not like bitcoin, and look very misinformed and tell us like they now the truth.
Bitcoin on 6 months : change: +267.48%
Bitcoin on 2 years : change: +9383.06%
What are you talking about ? Yes their is a "down" it's free new market - who care ? People who invest less than 3months ago ? Maybe... But if they HOLD, money invest will be back don't worry about it.
I just can't understand in a Starcraft community we have just a lot of Bitcoin hater. Bitcoin is a international, almost free fee, new "currency" who bring new opportunity (micro transaction, tips), to the world of internet, and e-sport, it's a money design for people like us, who born in this incredible virtual world, where "national" currency mean nothing for "us".
If you think 10 seconds and read some articles, about cryptocurrency, (and forget about the price) i just don't know how you can't be against it.
Maybe youngest generation don't know how primitive internet was aswell, full of scam, and shady.
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On April 06 2014 08:20 leova wrote:
yeah, but at least there's the whole "US Government backs this piece of paper" thing, what with it being written on the money and all...
You also get the "regulated" industries taking advantage of politics and the crashes associated with such greed, such as in 2008, are all a part of this product "backed by the government." I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to have some confidence instilled behind a currency via government backing, but what I am saying as that your argument is shallow and there is much more to it than that. This thread doesn't even touch on what exactly bitcoin is, what it can do, and where it is now. It's mostly one-liner punch marks made from broad generalizations.
Let's just be happy that donations are being made from a community for the greater good of e-sports
If you want to discuss digital currency, trust me, there are plenty of avenues to do that! And to be fair, all of the points made in this topic thus far have been beaten to death already...
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On April 06 2014 04:54 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 02:07 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice. Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand. Doing some research would probably help.
The assumption of my post was that TB does have "business advice" on this subject, clearly, as he is the one who signed whatever partnership; and therefore, it would be nice to have some general information. The point was to ask for him to elaborate upon it because I do not understand how a subreddit can sponsor a team. Telling me to "do some research" is a rather childish response to a genuine question.
A person posted that they have an "advertising budget" but I have no clue if that has any correlation to whatever TB signed. I do not want their exact partnership details written out, as that would be expecting too much, but "how" the subreddit plans to help the team or in what ways is not too much to expect. For all we know it might just be a branding thing to increase awareness of both since there really was no details on the partnership and TB has signed promotional sponsors previously.
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On April 06 2014 08:50 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:54 nGBeast wrote:On April 06 2014 02:07 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice. Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand. Doing some research would probably help. The assumption of my post was that TB does have "business advice" on this subject, clearly, as he is the one who signed whatever partnership; and therefore, it would be nice to have some general information. The point was to ask for him to elaborate upon it because I do not understand how a subreddit can sponsor a team. Telling me to "do some research" is a rather childish response to a genuine question. A person posted that they have an "advertising budget" but I have no clue if that has any correlation to whatever TB signed. I do not want their exact partnership details written out, as that would be expecting too much, but "how" the subreddit plans to help the team or in what ways is not too much to expect. For all we know it might just be a branding thing to increase awareness of both since there really was no details on the partnership and TB has signed promotional sponsors previously.
It's a sponsorship. It's money, what else would it be? That's what a sponsorship is.
And no I have never signed a "promotional sponsor" whatever that means. Every sponsor of Axiom has done what a sponsor does, which is pay for the sponsorship.
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maybe he meant "promotional vs physical", as in, one that sends you just money, vs one that also sends gear/etc
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Whether you like bitcoin or not (I'm not informed enough to have an opinion), you have to admit it's a funny position that Axiom is in... users of r/bitcoin will be cashing in their physical currency for a cryptocurrency, then send that currency to Axiom as per their sponsorship, then Axiom will cash in that cryptocurrency for physical currency which they will then give to their players. It seems like there are more steps in the process than are necessary. Unless of course r/bitcoin won't be giving Axiom bitcoins, but that would seem kind of silly and pointless...
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Have we figured out how /r/bitcoin gets its money yet?
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On April 06 2014 10:20 Omigawa wrote:
Whether you like bitcoin or not (I'm not informed enough to have an opinion), you have to admit it's a funny position that Axiom is in... users of r/bitcoin will be cashing in their physical currency for a cryptocurrency, then send that currency to Axiom as per their sponsorship, then Axiom will cash in that cryptocurrency for physical currency which they will then give to their players. It seems like there are more steps in the process than are necessary. Unless of course r/bitcoin won't be giving Axiom bitcoins, but that would seem kind of silly and pointless...
You started with "I'm not informed enough to have an opinion", it's was better to stop here.
Yeah you don't know anything about bitcoin so... People who are able to donate not cash-in at all they have huge reserve of bitcoin (most of them bought bitcoin under 20$), or are miner bitcoin or other crypto (like me).
No one will cash in for give donation, don't worry about it, people are not so kind :-D
And maybe Axion will use bitcoin to buy stuff with bitcoin (flight, or whatever they need on the web since "a lot" of website started accepting BTC)...
So what you are saying is "kind of silly and pointless" ;-)
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On April 06 2014 10:27 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Have we figured out how /r/bitcoin gets its money yet?
If I had to guess, I'd wager through bitcoins.
If one of the members/founders happened to be one of the nerds who started with bitcoins in 2009, he'd easily have well over 20k coins. if not 200k. That does leave a fair bit of disposable income to follow through on whatever they'd want.
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On April 06 2014 10:27 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Have we figured out how /r/bitcoin gets its money yet?
just follow the bitcoins
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On April 06 2014 10:47 MaNGi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 10:20 Omigawa wrote:
Whether you like bitcoin or not (I'm not informed enough to have an opinion), you have to admit it's a funny position that Axiom is in... users of r/bitcoin will be cashing in their physical currency for a cryptocurrency, then send that currency to Axiom as per their sponsorship, then Axiom will cash in that cryptocurrency for physical currency which they will then give to their players. It seems like there are more steps in the process than are necessary. Unless of course r/bitcoin won't be giving Axiom bitcoins, but that would seem kind of silly and pointless... You started with "I'm not informed enough to have an opinion", it's was better to stop here. Yeah you don't know anything about bitcoin so... People who are able to donate not cash-in at all they have huge reserve of bitcoin (most of them bought bitcoin under 20$), or are miner bitcoin or other crypto (like me). No one will cash in for give donation, don't worry about it, people are not so kind :-D And maybe Axion will use bitcoin to buy stuff with bitcoin (flight, or whatever they need on the web since "a lot" of website started accepting BTC)... So what you are saying is "kind of silly and pointless" ;-)
I said I wasn't informed enough about bitcoin to have an opinion on whether or not I like them... I am informed enough to to have an opinion on how silly it is that Axiom will have to cash in a cryptocurrency for a physical currency in order to use the money that their sponsor is giving them. It would be less of a hassle, and equally as funny, if r/bitcoin sent them American Express prepaid visa cards instead as part of their sponsorship arrangement.
You seem entirely too worked up about this issue.
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On April 06 2014 08:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 06:20 buckKeefe wrote:Everything here is legal and legitimate. definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred). still, more sponsors is better than fewer sponsors, so good for axiom! If you were a player you'd understand that a small sponsorship like r/bitcoin makes next to no difference monetarily and not a single shred of their salary is "contingent" on the bitcoin market. But that would require common sense.
How can you claim common sense when we had no idea it was a "small" sponsorship? For all we knew they could have became your second largest sponsor (assuming you'd call your largest sponsor your title sponsor, otherwise it could be your largest). Also, I believe he meant that the funding from the sponsorship was in Bitcoins. So if the market suddenly crashed into nothing, you'd presumably not be getting any money from them.
Congrats to Axiom! While I'm not a believer in Bitcoin, or similar currency, it's nice that eSports is getting new sponsors.
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On April 06 2014 13:52 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 08:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 06:20 buckKeefe wrote:Everything here is legal and legitimate. definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred). still, more sponsors is better than fewer sponsors, so good for axiom! If you were a player you'd understand that a small sponsorship like r/bitcoin makes next to no difference monetarily and not a single shred of their salary is "contingent" on the bitcoin market. But that would require common sense. How can you claim common sense when we had no idea it was a "small" sponsorship? For all we knew they could have became your second largest sponsor (assuming you'd call your largest sponsor your title sponsor, otherwise it could be your largest). Also, I believe he meant that the funding from the sponsorship was in Bitcoins. So if the market suddenly crashed into nothing, you'd presumably not be getting any money from them. Congrats to Axiom! While I'm not a believer in Bitcoin, or similar currency, it's nice that eSports is getting new sponsors.
It is a small sponsorship.
If you check /r/Bitcoin, you will see their entire advertising budget consists of 15-40 thousand USD.
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On April 06 2014 14:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 13:52 Ercster wrote:On April 06 2014 08:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 06:20 buckKeefe wrote:Everything here is legal and legitimate. definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred). still, more sponsors is better than fewer sponsors, so good for axiom! If you were a player you'd understand that a small sponsorship like r/bitcoin makes next to no difference monetarily and not a single shred of their salary is "contingent" on the bitcoin market. But that would require common sense. How can you claim common sense when we had no idea it was a "small" sponsorship? For all we knew they could have became your second largest sponsor (assuming you'd call your largest sponsor your title sponsor, otherwise it could be your largest). Also, I believe he meant that the funding from the sponsorship was in Bitcoins. So if the market suddenly crashed into nothing, you'd presumably not be getting any money from them. Congrats to Axiom! While I'm not a believer in Bitcoin, or similar currency, it's nice that eSports is getting new sponsors. It is a small sponsorship. If you check /r/Bitcoin, you will see their entire advertising budget consists of 15-40 thousand USD.
And TB, conveniently, didn't say where the money was coming from in his post above, even though he was specifically asked about their marketing budget.
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On April 06 2014 14:14 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 14:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:On April 06 2014 13:52 Ercster wrote:On April 06 2014 08:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 06:20 buckKeefe wrote:Everything here is legal and legitimate. definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred). still, more sponsors is better than fewer sponsors, so good for axiom! If you were a player you'd understand that a small sponsorship like r/bitcoin makes next to no difference monetarily and not a single shred of their salary is "contingent" on the bitcoin market. But that would require common sense. How can you claim common sense when we had no idea it was a "small" sponsorship? For all we knew they could have became your second largest sponsor (assuming you'd call your largest sponsor your title sponsor, otherwise it could be your largest). Also, I believe he meant that the funding from the sponsorship was in Bitcoins. So if the market suddenly crashed into nothing, you'd presumably not be getting any money from them. Congrats to Axiom! While I'm not a believer in Bitcoin, or similar currency, it's nice that eSports is getting new sponsors. It is a small sponsorship. If you check /r/Bitcoin, you will see their entire advertising budget consists of 15-40 thousand USD. And TB, conveniently, didn't say where the money was coming from in his post above, even though he was specifically asked about their marketing budget.
I don't see why it matters. Why do you need 100% transparency about everything a team does? TB is still more transparent that 95% of the teams out there (at least).
The matter of fact is, Axiom has support, and we should be happy about it. It's from a legitimate source, yes, the market is less stable than some, but honestly, the chances of bitcoin crashing to very low amounts at this point are very very low. And even if it did happen, it's not like Axion would fail. Totalbiscuit still funds a chunk(unsure how significant now, used to be very significant) out of his own pocket, and if Bitcoin failed, he would keep trying to find new sponsors and support his passion out of his own pocket. I really think TB does a great job, and I think the community should give him more respect.
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On April 06 2014 14:25 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 14:14 Ercster wrote:On April 06 2014 14:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:On April 06 2014 13:52 Ercster wrote:On April 06 2014 08:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 06:20 buckKeefe wrote:Everything here is legal and legitimate. definitely legal, but "legitimate" leaves a lot of room for interpretation... if were on the team, i would not feel especially confident in having my livelihood contigent on the bitcoin market (presumably the investment behind the sponsorship, even if it's not the actual currency being transferred). still, more sponsors is better than fewer sponsors, so good for axiom! If you were a player you'd understand that a small sponsorship like r/bitcoin makes next to no difference monetarily and not a single shred of their salary is "contingent" on the bitcoin market. But that would require common sense. How can you claim common sense when we had no idea it was a "small" sponsorship? For all we knew they could have became your second largest sponsor (assuming you'd call your largest sponsor your title sponsor, otherwise it could be your largest). Also, I believe he meant that the funding from the sponsorship was in Bitcoins. So if the market suddenly crashed into nothing, you'd presumably not be getting any money from them. Congrats to Axiom! While I'm not a believer in Bitcoin, or similar currency, it's nice that eSports is getting new sponsors. It is a small sponsorship. If you check /r/Bitcoin, you will see their entire advertising budget consists of 15-40 thousand USD. And TB, conveniently, didn't say where the money was coming from in his post above, even though he was specifically asked about their marketing budget. I don't see why it matters. Why do you need 100% transparency about everything a team does? TB is still more transparent that 95% of the teams out there (at least). The matter of fact is, Axiom has support, and we should be happy about it. It's from a legitimate source, yes, the market is less stable than some, but honestly, the chances of bitcoin crashing to very low amounts at this point are very very low. And even if it did happen, it's not like Axion would fail. Totalbiscuit still funds a chunk(unsure how significant now, used to be very significant) out of his own pocket, and if Bitcoin failed, he would keep trying to find new sponsors and support his passion out of his own pocket. I really think TB does a great job, and I think the community should give him more respect.
I didn't say we needed to know, he just need to be transparent about these things if he's going to claim common sense about it. And, as I said in my original post, I am happy for Axiom, regardless of my feelings about Bitcoin.
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On April 06 2014 09:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 08:50 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 04:54 nGBeast wrote:On April 06 2014 02:07 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice. Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand. Doing some research would probably help. The assumption of my post was that TB does have "business advice" on this subject, clearly, as he is the one who signed whatever partnership; and therefore, it would be nice to have some general information. The point was to ask for him to elaborate upon it because I do not understand how a subreddit can sponsor a team. Telling me to "do some research" is a rather childish response to a genuine question. A person posted that they have an "advertising budget" but I have no clue if that has any correlation to whatever TB signed. I do not want their exact partnership details written out, as that would be expecting too much, but "how" the subreddit plans to help the team or in what ways is not too much to expect. For all we know it might just be a branding thing to increase awareness of both since there really was no details on the partnership and TB has signed promotional sponsors previously. It's a sponsorship. It's money, what else would it be? That's what a sponsorship is. And no I have never signed a "promotional sponsor" whatever that means. Every sponsor of Axiom has done what a sponsor does, which is pay for the sponsorship.
I was referring to the "community sponsorship" with SC2Links. I imagine that this website, in relative terms, is not on the same level as your sponsorship with WASD. Lets be honest here, I do not actually know this, but as an outsider I would be incredibly surprised if they were giving monetary value equal to the equipment/support WASD does. This is what I meant by a promotional sponsor. If anything, you're doing more for their site than they're doing for you - at least - as far as I can see. For that reason, I was wondering if this was along the same lines. From your response I imagine it is not. Sorry if my wording was not clear, but that was what I meant.
+ Show Spoiler +I never said this was a bad thing btw. I simply wanted some relevant information on the actual substance of the sponsorship.
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On April 05 2014 22:55 jakethesnake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 22:46 Amazonic wrote:On April 05 2014 22:27 myxoma_strain wrote:On April 05 2014 22:25 Master of DalK wrote:
So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash? As long as it really is cash and not bitcoin. I'd rather have bitcoin tbh. Getting bitcoin is like getting cash with a sick interest rate. Sick indeed! About -50% over the past four months.... Well, grats to Axiom, although I wonder how a subreddit can make enough money to sponsor a team... Still, I'm very excited for TB and the rest of the team!
Goes up and down, it's getting there.
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On April 06 2014 04:00 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Bitcoin needs to evangalize not just to increase value, but stay alive.
The more people they can get to believe in Bitcoin, the more value it has. If you have 100 coins, and can convince 50,000 people that they are worth money, they may increase demand, making your coins increase in value, and it's worth your time.
So, makes perfect sense to me. More advertising, more chances at evangalizing, and hopefully Axiom gets something good out of it.
I'm sorry, but the thing we call "money" is grounding on the fact that people believe that little pieces of metal and wool actually do have a value. If we wouldn't, we'd still trade two cows for a carport, I guess. Bitcoin is just another thing. I'm not sure though if a sponsorship that is decentralized, based on a community that has a kind of QQ reputation and in the end is dependant on donations, is really a good thing for a team that wants to be taken seriously in the long run. But, I am pretty sure TB knows what he's doing, so.. well, who cares? They get money, which is always great.
At least it's not Claufzubu?
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no one needs to come into this thread and "prove" that bitcoin is unreliable because anyone who follows the news seriously has already seen multiple headlines about bitcoin crashing, burning and oscillating wildly
the burden of proof is on bitcoin right now because, objectively speaking, no substantial or serious portion of world industry has actually ever relied on it. also, common sense dictates that the people promoting bitcoin are the same people who benefit the most from bitcoin being successful. it's well-intentioned, but mechanically similar to a pyramid scheme at this point
it's possible that cryptocurrency could become viable and legitimate, but at this point we don't even have to debate it because bitcoin literally hasn't done anything yet other than being shuffled around between an arcane subculture of early adopters
anyway, all that aside, grats to axiom. TB wants to be an early supporter of something novel and risky, so that's his prerogative!
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On April 06 2014 16:10 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 08:50 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 04:54 nGBeast wrote:On April 06 2014 02:07 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice. Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand. Doing some research would probably help. The assumption of my post was that TB does have "business advice" on this subject, clearly, as he is the one who signed whatever partnership; and therefore, it would be nice to have some general information. The point was to ask for him to elaborate upon it because I do not understand how a subreddit can sponsor a team. Telling me to "do some research" is a rather childish response to a genuine question. A person posted that they have an "advertising budget" but I have no clue if that has any correlation to whatever TB signed. I do not want their exact partnership details written out, as that would be expecting too much, but "how" the subreddit plans to help the team or in what ways is not too much to expect. For all we know it might just be a branding thing to increase awareness of both since there really was no details on the partnership and TB has signed promotional sponsors previously. It's a sponsorship. It's money, what else would it be? That's what a sponsorship is. And no I have never signed a "promotional sponsor" whatever that means. Every sponsor of Axiom has done what a sponsor does, which is pay for the sponsorship. I was referring to the "community sponsorship" with SC2Links. I imagine that this website, in relative terms, is not on the same level as your sponsorship with WASD. Lets be honest here, I do not actually know this, but as an outsider I would be incredibly surprised if they were giving monetary value equal to the equipment/support WASD does. This is what I meant by a promotional sponsor. If anything, you're doing more for their site than they're doing for you - at least - as far as I can see. For that reason, I was wondering if this was along the same lines. From your response I imagine it is not. Sorry if my wording was not clear, but that was what I meant. + Show Spoiler +I never said this was a bad thing btw. I simply wanted some relevant information on the actual substance of the sponsorship.
As expected from TB. Someone phrases a ciritical question he just leashes out and passive agressivly insults ppl.
Well gl for the Axiom guys!
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On April 05 2014 23:03 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 23:00 Orcasgt24 wrote:On April 05 2014 22:55 jakethesnake wrote:On April 05 2014 22:46 Amazonic wrote:On April 05 2014 22:27 myxoma_strain wrote:On April 05 2014 22:25 Master of DalK wrote:
So /r/bitcoin will basically be the first sponsor ever to ONLY give cash? As long as it really is cash and not bitcoin. I'd rather have bitcoin tbh. Getting bitcoin is like getting cash with a sick interest rate. Sick indeed! About -50% over the past four months.... Well, grats to Axiom, although I wonder how a subreddit can make enough money to sponsor a team... Still, I'm very excited for TB and the rest of the team! It's reddit man. Nothing that happens on that site makes sense. Gratz to Axiom and Totalbiscuit. Can't wait to see the jersey patch lol I'm gonna assume using similar methods that dogecoin did seeing as they are sponsoring a nascar driver.
F yeah Dogecoin!
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Nice for axioms, but can someone explain how can a reddit community have money ? I am confused... Is there a owner of r/bitcoin ?
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On April 06 2014 19:29 boxerfred wrote:
I'm sorry, but the thing we call "money" is grounding on the fact that people believe that little pieces of metal and wool actually do have a value. If we wouldn't, we'd still trade two cows for a carport, I guess. Bitcoin is just another thing.
That.
User was warned for this post
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On April 06 2014 20:31 hfsrj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 19:29 boxerfred wrote:
I'm sorry, but the thing we call "money" is grounding on the fact that people believe that little pieces of metal and wool actually do have a value. If we wouldn't, we'd still trade two cows for a carport, I guess. Bitcoin is just another thing. That. User was warned for this post
Bitcoin is a very risky investment, one way or another. "money" and "bitcoin" dosent have any value in the real world.
The things is, Money is managed by goverments that use money as a form of stability since they draw income in form of taxes from it, yet bitcoin dosent really have any party interested behind it to keep it stable.
Online you can find many people clearly stating whenever bitcoin is or not legit. I investigated myself, did the math, and I dont like Bitcoin from my calculations.
M advice is that you check it yourself. As for Axiom, without knowing the contract specifics, there is no telling if its good or not... or rather, for whom its good.
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On April 06 2014 21:37 iloveav wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 20:31 hfsrj wrote:On April 06 2014 19:29 boxerfred wrote:
I'm sorry, but the thing we call "money" is grounding on the fact that people believe that little pieces of metal and wool actually do have a value. If we wouldn't, we'd still trade two cows for a carport, I guess. Bitcoin is just another thing. That. User was warned for this post Bitcoin is a very risky investment, one way or another. "money" and "bitcoin" dosent have any value in the real world. The things is, Money is managed by goverments that use money as a form of stability since they draw income in form of taxes from it, yet bitcoin dosent really have any party interested behind it to keep it stable. Online you can find many people clearly stating whenever bitcoin is or not legit. I investigated myself, did the math, and I dont like Bitcoin from my calculations. M advice is that you check it yourself. As for Axiom, without knowing the contract specifics, there is no telling if its good or not... or rather, for whom its good.
OT:
IMO, bitcoin is truely a dangerous thing if it's ever to be a real thing. It's not being controlled, it's not available for anyone, but the big thing is, that one can generate the stuff on his own. I'm not too informed on the topic of bitcoins, I think due to the used algorithms there are limits in generating new coins. Correct me if wrong.
Monetary systems that might once have an impact on real-life economy shouldn't be "mined", "controlled", distributed or anything else by a bunch of random anonymous people from the internet. Imagine reddit community being able to create real-life dollars. You wouldn't want that, would you?
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Generating bitcoins is hardly profitable unless you have a really nice deal for electricity.
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On April 06 2014 16:10 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 08:50 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 04:54 nGBeast wrote:On April 06 2014 02:07 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice. Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand. Doing some research would probably help. The assumption of my post was that TB does have "business advice" on this subject, clearly, as he is the one who signed whatever partnership; and therefore, it would be nice to have some general information. The point was to ask for him to elaborate upon it because I do not understand how a subreddit can sponsor a team. Telling me to "do some research" is a rather childish response to a genuine question. A person posted that they have an "advertising budget" but I have no clue if that has any correlation to whatever TB signed. I do not want their exact partnership details written out, as that would be expecting too much, but "how" the subreddit plans to help the team or in what ways is not too much to expect. For all we know it might just be a branding thing to increase awareness of both since there really was no details on the partnership and TB has signed promotional sponsors previously. It's a sponsorship. It's money, what else would it be? That's what a sponsorship is. And no I have never signed a "promotional sponsor" whatever that means. Every sponsor of Axiom has done what a sponsor does, which is pay for the sponsorship. I was referring to the "community sponsorship" with SC2Links. I imagine that this website, in relative terms, is not on the same level as your sponsorship with WASD. Lets be honest here, I do not actually know this, but as an outsider I would be incredibly surprised if they were giving monetary value equal to the equipment/support WASD does. This is what I meant by a promotional sponsor. If anything, you're doing more for their site than they're doing for you - at least - as far as I can see. For that reason, I was wondering if this was along the same lines. From your response I imagine it is not. Sorry if my wording was not clear, but that was what I meant. + Show Spoiler +I never said this was a bad thing btw. I simply wanted some relevant information on the actual substance of the sponsorship.
The question is why you care to know the specifics of the sponsorship. It's reasonable to assume that money is being exchanged for exposure. Beyond that it really looks like you and the others are just trying to cast negativity. Especially when your first question was how the sponsorship could possibly be meaningful.
It's best to assume that the sponsorship is a positive thing and that Axiom knows much better than you.
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I don't understand. I read through this thread. What does r/bitcoin do and how is it sponsoring this team? Beyond attaching their names to each other for marketing.
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On April 06 2014 20:08 bluQ wrote:
As expected from TB. Someone phrases a ciritical question he just leashes out and passive agressivly insults ppl.
Well gl for the Axiom guys!
As expected from TL posters. Someone gets a sponsorship and they just come into the thread and post their uninformed opinions without thought.
This goes both ways. His opinion in particular made no sense. If I've learned anything it's that most people are incapable of being critical because they can't think critically.
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On April 06 2014 23:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 20:08 bluQ wrote:
As expected from TB. Someone phrases a ciritical question he just leashes out and passive agressivly insults ppl.
Well gl for the Axiom guys! As expected from TL posters. Someone gets a sponsorship and they just come into the thread and post their uninformed opinions without thought. This goes both ways. His opinion in particular made no sense. If I've learned anything it's that most people are incapable of being critical because they can't think critically.
Off topic, but are there any more Clan Wars matches coming?
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On April 06 2014 00:38 Holytornados wrote:
I wonder just how much they are providing, but cool nonetheless.
I saw a reddit thread about it and I think they are investing a part of the website ad revenues, if I remember correctly it's something like 5 k dollars (just to give you a rough amount)
And if I remember correctly it's also actual $.
Not 100 % sure though.
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On April 06 2014 23:01 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 16:10 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 09:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 08:50 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 04:54 nGBeast wrote:On April 06 2014 02:07 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice. Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand. Doing some research would probably help. The assumption of my post was that TB does have "business advice" on this subject, clearly, as he is the one who signed whatever partnership; and therefore, it would be nice to have some general information. The point was to ask for him to elaborate upon it because I do not understand how a subreddit can sponsor a team. Telling me to "do some research" is a rather childish response to a genuine question. A person posted that they have an "advertising budget" but I have no clue if that has any correlation to whatever TB signed. I do not want their exact partnership details written out, as that would be expecting too much, but "how" the subreddit plans to help the team or in what ways is not too much to expect. For all we know it might just be a branding thing to increase awareness of both since there really was no details on the partnership and TB has signed promotional sponsors previously. It's a sponsorship. It's money, what else would it be? That's what a sponsorship is. And no I have never signed a "promotional sponsor" whatever that means. Every sponsor of Axiom has done what a sponsor does, which is pay for the sponsorship. I was referring to the "community sponsorship" with SC2Links. I imagine that this website, in relative terms, is not on the same level as your sponsorship with WASD. Lets be honest here, I do not actually know this, but as an outsider I would be incredibly surprised if they were giving monetary value equal to the equipment/support WASD does. This is what I meant by a promotional sponsor. If anything, you're doing more for their site than they're doing for you - at least - as far as I can see. For that reason, I was wondering if this was along the same lines. From your response I imagine it is not. Sorry if my wording was not clear, but that was what I meant. + Show Spoiler +I never said this was a bad thing btw. I simply wanted some relevant information on the actual substance of the sponsorship. The question is why you care to know the specifics of the sponsorship. It's reasonable to assume that money is being exchanged for exposure. Beyond that it really looks like you and the others are just trying to cast negativity. Especially when your first question was how the sponsorship could possibly be meaningful. It's best to assume that the sponsorship is a positive thing and that Axiom knows much better than you.
Just going to spoiler my reply to this idiot so people don't have to read it if they do not want to.
+ Show Spoiler +What the fuck are you talking about? Did you even bother to read what I said in spoilers or understand the point I was getting at? Instead of filling this forum with thousands of mindless posts you should probably think and read a little more before you post something as off base as this.
What I asked for was general information about the sponsorship. TB answered my question that it was monetary funding. Why would I want to know this? Because that sort of dictates how important and how much of an impact it has on the team.
If every jump start NA team made a thread about how they got sponsored by a web hosting company that pays for their website do you think we would care? No. Would I care if this sponsorship was simply TB being "featured" by a subreddit in return for advertising their brand? No. If there is actual funding here, as TB has clarified, then that is good for them. This was pretty basic information and not specific at all lmao.
edit: just for clarification TB... my post wasn't an "opinion" it was a question, if the above post was referencing my posts. I'm not quite sure how it didn't make any sense to you especially after the second post. I'd gladly break it down further if the spoiler above doesn't explain it enough for you or doodsmack... lol
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On April 06 2014 20:08 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 16:10 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 09:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 08:50 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 04:54 nGBeast wrote:On April 06 2014 02:07 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice. Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand. Doing some research would probably help. The assumption of my post was that TB does have "business advice" on this subject, clearly, as he is the one who signed whatever partnership; and therefore, it would be nice to have some general information. The point was to ask for him to elaborate upon it because I do not understand how a subreddit can sponsor a team. Telling me to "do some research" is a rather childish response to a genuine question. A person posted that they have an "advertising budget" but I have no clue if that has any correlation to whatever TB signed. I do not want their exact partnership details written out, as that would be expecting too much, but "how" the subreddit plans to help the team or in what ways is not too much to expect. For all we know it might just be a branding thing to increase awareness of both since there really was no details on the partnership and TB has signed promotional sponsors previously. It's a sponsorship. It's money, what else would it be? That's what a sponsorship is. And no I have never signed a "promotional sponsor" whatever that means. Every sponsor of Axiom has done what a sponsor does, which is pay for the sponsorship. I was referring to the "community sponsorship" with SC2Links. I imagine that this website, in relative terms, is not on the same level as your sponsorship with WASD. Lets be honest here, I do not actually know this, but as an outsider I would be incredibly surprised if they were giving monetary value equal to the equipment/support WASD does. This is what I meant by a promotional sponsor. If anything, you're doing more for their site than they're doing for you - at least - as far as I can see. For that reason, I was wondering if this was along the same lines. From your response I imagine it is not. Sorry if my wording was not clear, but that was what I meant. + Show Spoiler +I never said this was a bad thing btw. I simply wanted some relevant information on the actual substance of the sponsorship. As expected from TB. Someone phrases a ciritical question he just leashes out and passive agressivly insults ppl. Well gl for the Axiom guys!
As expected from ignorant people who have nothing better to do with their lives. Call out and try to tear down those above you, instead of actually listening to them in hopes of curing your ignorance. Classy!
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I like this a lot. Bitcoin rules.
But the US Federal Reserve will not allow this.
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On April 06 2014 23:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 20:08 bluQ wrote:
As expected from TB. Someone phrases a ciritical question he just leashes out and passive agressivly insults ppl.
Well gl for the Axiom guys! As expected from TL posters. Someone gets a sponsorship and they just come into the thread and post their uninformed opinions without thought. This goes both ways. His opinion in particular made no sense. If I've learned anything it's that most people are incapable of being critical because they can't think critically.
Any good businessman knows that sponsorship and money is a GOOD thing, xD.
You're doing fine, good luck with the sponsorship!
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On April 06 2014 05:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:44 Targe wrote:On April 06 2014 04:01 Fyodor wrote:On April 06 2014 03:17 Targe wrote:
This feels like r/bitcoin think this legitimizes bitcoins or are trying to pretend it does
meh You talk like it's illegal. You talk like its not illegal. Can we start handing out punishments for people that accuse sponsors of illegal activity? This defamatory nonsense helps nobody.
My original post wa concerning the legitimacy of bitcoin as a currency, my second post was showing that I can spew nonsense as well as Fyodor.
I dont question their sponsorship of axiom, just their reasons for doing so.
Ok so I just noticed a bunch of people thought I was actually meaning what I said, sarcasm and the Internet what a combo rofl
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On April 07 2014 19:24 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 23:01 Doodsmack wrote:On April 06 2014 16:10 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 09:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 06 2014 08:50 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 04:54 nGBeast wrote:On April 06 2014 02:07 -Kyo- wrote:On April 06 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 05 2014 23:50 Thrill wrote:
Absolutely stupid.
I suppose reddit and tb are a match made in heaven though. Thanks for your expert business advice. Well maybe you can enlighten me then... How does a subreddit sponsor a team in a meaningful way? I do not understand. Doing some research would probably help. The assumption of my post was that TB does have "business advice" on this subject, clearly, as he is the one who signed whatever partnership; and therefore, it would be nice to have some general information. The point was to ask for him to elaborate upon it because I do not understand how a subreddit can sponsor a team. Telling me to "do some research" is a rather childish response to a genuine question. A person posted that they have an "advertising budget" but I have no clue if that has any correlation to whatever TB signed. I do not want their exact partnership details written out, as that would be expecting too much, but "how" the subreddit plans to help the team or in what ways is not too much to expect. For all we know it might just be a branding thing to increase awareness of both since there really was no details on the partnership and TB has signed promotional sponsors previously. It's a sponsorship. It's money, what else would it be? That's what a sponsorship is. And no I have never signed a "promotional sponsor" whatever that means. Every sponsor of Axiom has done what a sponsor does, which is pay for the sponsorship. I was referring to the "community sponsorship" with SC2Links. I imagine that this website, in relative terms, is not on the same level as your sponsorship with WASD. Lets be honest here, I do not actually know this, but as an outsider I would be incredibly surprised if they were giving monetary value equal to the equipment/support WASD does. This is what I meant by a promotional sponsor. If anything, you're doing more for their site than they're doing for you - at least - as far as I can see. For that reason, I was wondering if this was along the same lines. From your response I imagine it is not. Sorry if my wording was not clear, but that was what I meant. + Show Spoiler +I never said this was a bad thing btw. I simply wanted some relevant information on the actual substance of the sponsorship. The question is why you care to know the specifics of the sponsorship. It's reasonable to assume that money is being exchanged for exposure. Beyond that it really looks like you and the others are just trying to cast negativity. Especially when your first question was how the sponsorship could possibly be meaningful. It's best to assume that the sponsorship is a positive thing and that Axiom knows much better than you. Just going to spoiler my reply to this idiot so people don't have to read it if they do not want to. + Show Spoiler +What the fuck are you talking about? Did you even bother to read what I said in spoilers or understand the point I was getting at? Instead of filling this forum with thousands of mindless posts you should probably think and read a little more before you post something as off base as this.
What I asked for was general information about the sponsorship. TB answered my question that it was monetary funding. Why would I want to know this? Because that sort of dictates how important and how much of an impact it has on the team.
If every jump start NA team made a thread about how they got sponsored by a web hosting company that pays for their website do you think we would care? No. Would I care if this sponsorship was simply TB being "featured" by a subreddit in return for advertising their brand? No. If there is actual funding here, as TB has clarified, then that is good for them. This was pretty basic information and not specific at all lmao. edit: just for clarification TB... my post wasn't an "opinion" it was a question, if the above post was referencing my posts. I'm not quite sure how it didn't make any sense to you especially after the second post. I'd gladly break it down further if the spoiler above doesn't explain it enough for you or doodsmack... lol
My post did respond to the substance of your posts. I understand you were asking a question rather than expressing an opinion. Or so you claim anyway, considering your question was skeptical, as if you couldn't possibly understand how the sponsorship could be "meaningful". You are asking a major team manager to prove that his sponsorship is worth (gasp) taking up TL forum space with a thread, which is a silly thing to do, making the act of asking a needlessly skeptical question merely an attempt to cast negativity.
The answer to your question of how a subreddit sponsorship could be meaningful is pretty obvious - it's an exchange of money for exposure. When a major team and manager announces a sponsorship, you should assume that you don't know better than him whether the sponsorship is meaningful. It's highly likely the sponsorship entails an exchange of money.
You are being a needlessly negative TLer.
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On April 06 2014 08:16 leova wrote:Bitcoin is, and always will be, a joke... (It was invented from NOTHING and exists as NOTHING, and can be created with Dell PCs. It will never be a legitimate international currency) But I do wish TB and Axiom the best in their endeavors. They really are a fantastic group, providing tons of opportunities to SC2 players(and especially displaced Korean pros), so them getting a sponsor is a good thing in general
Except the US Dollar was created from NOTHING and exists as NOTHING, except that people BELIEVE it has VALUE. Which is exactly how ANY currency works.
I hope you understood that I tried to emphasize the parts that could be confusing.
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yeah good work total biscuit, i think digital currencies are going to go hand in hand with esports.
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