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i would just like to take this moment to acknowledge that Avilo is the #1 teamless Terran in terms of viewership.
he truly is the leader of the Terran resistance against the evil corporations who are destroying RTS eSports..
On April 03 2014 17:53 Rustug wrote:
Is there a correlation between the drop in personal stream viewers and a seasonal increase of the amount of Tournaments? Is there a rising interest in tournaments (online/offline) and a decline in personal stream viewers?
the 4 lowest months of the 12 months that have been measured occurred during the past 4 months... Dec '13 to March '14.
you can twist your mind into a pretzel of rationalizations trying to explain it. I'll provide a simple straight forward explanation.
excitement for the game is waning. with no expansion date in sight expect the overall downward trend to continue.
the game is not going to die any time soon because the decline is slow.
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is forGG not kind of cheating ?
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On April 04 2014 09:15 Fhiz wrote:
is forGG not kind of cheating ?
If you mean the "rebroadcasts", I would say no, not as long as he clearly lets his viewers know they are rebroadcasts. It's all the more impressive if he gets this numbers even with rebroadcasts, I would argue.  Back in the day, MarineKing used to stream hours and hours of replays instead of playing himself, too.
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On April 04 2014 09:15 Fhiz wrote:
is forGG not kind of cheating ?
What he does can't be considered as "cheating".
He streams for about 6 hours per day live and then rebroadcasts for people in different time zones.
Cheating would imply he somehow gets an unfair advantage over other streamers. Any streamer can do that but most stream for 2,3-4 hours and then log off. There is nothing preventing them from rebroadcasting for different time zones.
Also to quote ForGG "Title never lies" so he isn't acting like he is live 12 hours per day or something like that.
I for example always miss Supernova since he streams at times that are very early in the morning for Europe so I usually only get to see 2-3 of his games before he logs off. A rebroadcast would be great in such scenario for me or any other viewer in my time zone.
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On April 03 2014 11:33 ArTiFaKs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 10:44 Banishment wrote:
Well and I guess most people just lost their interest in the game, especially their motivation to get better at it. I still enjoy watching tournaments from time to time and keep up with the scene but i haven played for more than a year, so playerstreams arent that enjoyable for me anymore. The only stream I still watch from time to time is grubby because i simply enjoy hearing his beautiful voice and watching his fabulous personality. But apart from that its WCS once a week for me. The next Expansion will bring people back though including me. Same here, my motivation has just been killed this passed month. I used to be the one of the biggest supporters of where the game is at but recently I've just noticed that it's not really that fun playing anymore and so my will to get better and improve just died completely... Tournaments are fun to watch every now and then but there's always a couple games or more that just make you frustrated that shit like that can even happen in this game. But ya I used to watch streams non-stop but haven't watched at all lately. Oh well hopefully this next expansion whenever it comes out can re-ignite some interest from people who have left.
Same here.
I don't want to sound this like a balance whine or anything but there is something "wrong" with this game.
Don't get me wrong it is in my opinion the greatest RTS title ever created, it is just too frustrating to play, thus my interest in improving waned, despite I played this game for a full 3 years. I think it has to do with overall game and race design - it is just not fun to micro as terran whole match and suddenly lose because for a one second u didnt pay attention and banelings blew up your whole bio force, or play against Protoss and feel that u are on a ticking time bomb.
There is no more sad feeling then micro and macro as best as you can and lose to some proxy without any chance to recovery.
Sure I could switch races but problem is all match ups without T involved are really bad and less fun to play.
There is just one truth that people realise and maybe that is the reason that interest in game wanes: SC2 is not a strategy game, it is dexterity based game where you need to learn a long combos and counters (builds and countering compositions). There is not much space for creativity or strategy at all. Sure, some fine unexpected plays happens but it is rarity. Maybe that was the reason i liked TvT the most to play and watch. It is really a match up where u can win from the back and where ur thinking, not ur speed can give u the victory.
Someone would say what it all has to do with viewership? Well, I was interested in SC2 streams and tournaments when I was active player. As my enthusiasm to play waned so do my drive to watch streams or tournaments, especially with awful lot of PvZ.
I started to play LoL and suddenly tournaments and streams for this game, which I initially thought was unwatchable, started to look interesting and exciting.
Spectator base is just really strongly corellated with player base.
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I'm really happy forgg rebroadcast his stream, so I don't miss some great games. It's much better like this than replay spam like MKP used to do.
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I watch April Dai alot. She is acute graduate student in Florida now. Interacts with the chat alot. Nice streamer to watch
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Protech says he is going to quit sc2, then the next month streams over 400 hours....
I do love looking at these though, its some pretty interesting stats!
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Stephano may be "retired" but he is still a member of/sponsored by EG
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On April 04 2014 02:51 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:41 Patate wrote:On April 04 2014 02:36 Squat wrote:On April 03 2014 23:11 GohgamX wrote:
Wish these numbers would pick up again T_T Player streams have been consistently dropping in numbers since 2012. A combination of over-saturation, viewer fatigue and generally unfulfilled hype created a bubble that is slowly deflating back to a more reasonable volume. The days where Stephano could just randomly start up his stream and pull 15k are long gone. Ad revenue is also much worse, so each viewer is worth a lot less. Personal streaming just isn't a very viable way of supporting yourself anymore, with a few notable exceptions. It's more a way of interacting with a smaller crowd of dedicated fans, and we'd perhaps be better off thinking of it that way. I think Scarlett might pull some pretty good numbers when she starts up, but it will level out eventually like it does for everyone. Then how can LoL streamers, a few Heartstone and a few DoTA2 streamers, pull off 25k viewers sometimes. Nightblu3 can get up to 30k on a regular Solo Queue night, and thats with other 10k viewers at the same time. Personal streaming is viable, just not in sc2 I don't understand the point here. They do better because they pull far higher numbers. SC2 players don't pull huge numbers, and as such streaming is not a viable avenue to support oneself as an SC2 player. I thought it was fairly self-explanatory. I didn't comment on LoL, I've never watched the game and I have no opinion of it. People were talking about how SC2 viewer numbers are low and I commented on that. It is also a simple fact that ad revenue per viewer is lower.
The point is that your reasons are completely off base. Over-saturation and viewer fatigue have nothing to do with it.
The people that used to watch SC2 are now watching OTHER games. Its that simple
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On April 03 2014 10:12 Darkdwarf wrote:I miss Fuzic as a complement to those stats. 
me too
Thanks conti for this post again ^^ !
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On April 05 2014 04:15 mindspike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:51 Squat wrote:On April 04 2014 02:41 Patate wrote:On April 04 2014 02:36 Squat wrote:On April 03 2014 23:11 GohgamX wrote:
Wish these numbers would pick up again T_T Player streams have been consistently dropping in numbers since 2012. A combination of over-saturation, viewer fatigue and generally unfulfilled hype created a bubble that is slowly deflating back to a more reasonable volume. The days where Stephano could just randomly start up his stream and pull 15k are long gone. Ad revenue is also much worse, so each viewer is worth a lot less. Personal streaming just isn't a very viable way of supporting yourself anymore, with a few notable exceptions. It's more a way of interacting with a smaller crowd of dedicated fans, and we'd perhaps be better off thinking of it that way. I think Scarlett might pull some pretty good numbers when she starts up, but it will level out eventually like it does for everyone. Then how can LoL streamers, a few Heartstone and a few DoTA2 streamers, pull off 25k viewers sometimes. Nightblu3 can get up to 30k on a regular Solo Queue night, and thats with other 10k viewers at the same time. Personal streaming is viable, just not in sc2 I don't understand the point here. They do better because they pull far higher numbers. SC2 players don't pull huge numbers, and as such streaming is not a viable avenue to support oneself as an SC2 player. I thought it was fairly self-explanatory. I didn't comment on LoL, I've never watched the game and I have no opinion of it. People were talking about how SC2 viewer numbers are low and I commented on that. It is also a simple fact that ad revenue per viewer is lower. The point is that your reasons are completely off base. Over-saturation and viewer fatigue have nothing to do with it. The people that used to watch SC2 are now watching OTHER games. Its that simple
It has tons to do with it. Again, you seem not to get what is actually being said. Viewer fatigue = viewers tired of SC2. Over-saturation = too much SC2 content. I'm not talking about other games, not sure why you bring them up constantly. If people are watching other games rather than SC2 atm, that is pretty much exactly my point. Everything I said should be read in the context of SC2 only.
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On April 04 2014 00:43 HolydaKing wrote:
I was expecting this, as SC2 is rarely even top 5 game on twich lately. SC2 really needs something to get the interest of people again. Although I do think HotS did make the games better on average, it still looks mostly the same. If you compare WC3:RoC to WC3:TFT, there is a huge difference. But I guess Blizzard did not want to make huge changes.
sc2 is never top5 unless there's a tournament or wcs. When it's down to player streams only, sc2 is always outside top10 on twitch of all games, and always behind other competitive titles such as lol, dota2, hearthstone, call of duty, cs:go and even fifa(!). Events still get ok numbers, but it feels like people are there to enjoy the event rather than enjoy the game starcraft.
If you ever want to check for yourself, http://www.twitch.tv/directory lists games by viewers. As of writing this, sc2 has a total of 3500 viewers, even less than smite
these are really scary numbers looking forward
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First time i'm looking at the numbers and fuck me are they low!
SC2 is actually doing really, really bad outside of the few major tournaments it seems. Need that LOTV overhaul ASAP!
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