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Is there a correlation between the drop in personal stream viewers and a seasonal increase of the amount of Tournaments? Is there a rising interest in tournaments (online/offline) and a decline in personal stream viewers?
I have this gut feeling that the Tournament Streams are having a healthy and rising amount of viewership. Especially the "smaller" tournaments. I see small events getting 5/6/7K+ viewers and my gut tells me that this is higher then before.
I also feel the level of production for small and large events online and off-line is improving.
Personally, I do a lot less stream jumping nowadays, I'm sticking to the channels I think provide good content.
What I like a stream to offer me when I watch:
- A schedule (when/where/what).
- Good music.
- To learn something about the Pro-Gamer.
- A Pro-Gamer shares from his personal wealth of experience with the audience (strategy/tactics/tips & tricks). Not just the generic stuff.
- Fun/interesting stories. The Pro-Gamer is an industry insider and can provide a behind the scenes perspective, which I find interesting.
- Collaborations with other streaming personalities.
- Interaction with the stream viewer.
- Something original, surprise me!
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On April 03 2014 11:33 ArTiFaKs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 10:44 Banishment wrote:
Well and I guess most people just lost their interest in the game, especially their motivation to get better at it. I still enjoy watching tournaments from time to time and keep up with the scene but i haven played for more than a year, so playerstreams arent that enjoyable for me anymore. The only stream I still watch from time to time is grubby because i simply enjoy hearing his beautiful voice and watching his fabulous personality. But apart from that its WCS once a week for me. The next Expansion will bring people back though including me. Same here, my motivation has just been killed this passed month. I used to be the one of the biggest supporters of where the game is at but recently I've just noticed that it's not really that fun playing anymore and so my will to get better and improve just died completely... Tournaments are fun to watch every now and then but there's always a couple games or more that just make you frustrated that shit like that can even happen in this game. But ya I used to watch streams non-stop but haven't watched at all lately. Oh well hopefully this next expansion whenever it comes out can re-ignite some interest from people who have left.
The ladder is broken. I am a high gold, low platinum level player and I'm getting stomped by players who's profiles tell me they are former high diamond or Master players (I even got a few GM's). This is no fun. The learning curve is just too high and it becomes demoralizing to play.
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Stephano first once again :D Nice! 
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On April 03 2014 17:53 Rustug wrote:
Is there a correlation between the drop in personal stream viewers and a seasonal increase of the amount of Tournaments? Is there a rising interest in tournaments (online/offline) and a decline in personal stream viewers?
I have this gut feeling that the Tournament Streams are having a healthy and rising amount of viewership. Especially the "smaller" tournaments. I see small events getting 5/6/7K+ viewers and my gut tells me that this is higher then before.
I also feel the level of production for small and large events online and off-line is improving.
Personally, I do a lot less stream jumping nowadays, I'm sticking to the channels I think provide good content.
What I like a stream to offer me when I watch:
- A schedule (when/where/what).
- Good music.
- To learn something about the Pro-Gamer.
- A Pro-Gamer shares from his personal wealth of experience with the audience (strategy/tactics/tips & tricks). Not just the generic stuff.
- Fun/interesting stories. The Pro-Gamer is an industry insider and can provide a behind the scenes perspective, which I find interesting.
- Collaborations with other streaming personalities.
- Interaction with the stream viewer.
- Something original, surprise me!
The tournament season starting effects the stream numbers for sure. You can clearly see that December-January had bigger Stream viewing numbers. That time was the ''off-season'' with not many tournaments going on.
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Although I like ForGG's streaming a lot, especially recently since he switched to twitch and is commenting his games, I hope he won't become another ladder hero and stop attending tournaments.
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Erf, thats really bad streaming numbers.. T_T
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Wish these numbers would pick up again T_T
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On April 03 2014 23:11 GohgamX wrote:
Wish these numbers would pick up again T_T
Yeah when you compare this to early 2013 or 2012, the stream numbers are way lower..
That is really unfortunate...
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Almost an all time low...  At least it doesn't feel like that for me.
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I was expecting this, as SC2 is rarely even top 5 game on twich lately. SC2 really needs something to get the interest of people again. Although I do think HotS did make the games better on average, it still looks mostly the same. If you compare WC3:RoC to WC3:TFT, there is a huge difference. But I guess Blizzard did not want to make huge changes.
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On April 03 2014 09:49 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
I thought our veiwership stabilized a few months back but it looks like we are back to late wol era
where I didn't watch any games andymore cause one race was clearly imba and didn't get a fast enough patch, so why bother watching an inbalanced game. Maybe if blizzard takes a look at the April Fools article about bullshitting toss, and they patch out half of the aggressive but safe openers, viewer counts rise up again. Although not saying anything is IMBA atm, there is too much randomness or it's just too hard to read from toss.
So the viewercounts may further drop in my opinion, I don't care at all, until Blizz realizes they need to fix some things they don't even think they are broken. No matter how often you ask them, they'll never agree that warping in units in the opponents face faster then they can produce at the own base, is not a stupid gameplay mechanic (which is still not imba, but lets the toss do too much while being safe) (cause no matter where the army is -> recall or just warpin under the drop, no need to position army correctly from the start, just warp in if needed -> annoying, and sure easier to use then having several armies/controlgroups and control them whisely, position them carefully etc)
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On April 04 2014 00:43 HolydaKing wrote:
I was expecting this, as SC2 is rarely even top 5 game on twich lately. SC2 really needs something to get the interest of people again. Although I do think HotS did make the games better on average, it still looks mostly the same. If you compare WC3:RoC to WC3:TFT, there is a huge difference. But I guess Blizzard did not want to make huge changes.
well its because of the tons of PvPs and PvZs again lately. PvP is the worst mirror or whatever matchup to watch. But we can't hope for TvZ only, although it's the most exciting ones. Many openers that do damage but don't kill, so back and forth game is guaranteed. Only thing I hate is Mech vs Swarmhost
On April 03 2014 18:11 Rustug wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:33 ArTiFaKs wrote:On April 03 2014 10:44 Banishment wrote:
Well and I guess most people just lost their interest in the game, especially their motivation to get better at it. I still enjoy watching tournaments from time to time and keep up with the scene but i haven played for more than a year, so playerstreams arent that enjoyable for me anymore. The only stream I still watch from time to time is grubby because i simply enjoy hearing his beautiful voice and watching his fabulous personality. But apart from that its WCS once a week for me. The next Expansion will bring people back though including me. Same here, my motivation has just been killed this passed month. I used to be the one of the biggest supporters of where the game is at but recently I've just noticed that it's not really that fun playing anymore and so my will to get better and improve just died completely... Tournaments are fun to watch every now and then but there's always a couple games or more that just make you frustrated that shit like that can even happen in this game. But ya I used to watch streams non-stop but haven't watched at all lately. Oh well hopefully this next expansion whenever it comes out can re-ignite some interest from people who have left. The ladder is broken. I am a high gold, low platinum level player and I'm getting stomped by players who's profiles tell me they are former high diamond or Master players (I even got a few GM's). This is no fun. The learning curve is just too high and it becomes demoralizing to play.
It's also demoralizing to lose to some player who does his 40-50 apm Bullshit build, while you micro and macro you heart out. Scout better? Yeah not even the pro's find and know everything. And IF(!) they do, blink allins etc have still a huge winrate. Not even a cheese anymore, this would mean a coinflip: scouted -> aggressor is dead, unscouted -> if well executed, agressor wins.
BTW I was thinking about donating 100 for a Starbow tournaments price pool, so it gets more attention. Maybe we should crowdfund one 
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Looks like Heroes Hearthstone and Counter-Strike are slowly killing SC2.
As much as I'd love to blame protoss it seems only GSL suffered for lack of balance.
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If Winter's stream is that popular why is he not a featured streamer? His stream is every bit as educational as a pro steam if not more.
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On April 03 2014 23:11 GohgamX wrote:
Wish these numbers would pick up again T_T
Player streams have been consistently dropping in numbers since 2012. A combination of over-saturation, viewer fatigue and generally unfulfilled hype created a bubble that is slowly deflating back to a more reasonable volume. The days where Stephano could just randomly start up his stream and pull 15k are long gone. Ad revenue is also much worse, so each viewer is worth a lot less.
Personal streaming just isn't a very viable way of supporting yourself anymore, with a few notable exceptions. It's more a way of interacting with a smaller crowd of dedicated fans, and we'd perhaps be better off thinking of it that way. I think Scarlett might pull some pretty good numbers when she starts up, but it will level out eventually like it does for everyone.
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On April 04 2014 02:36 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:11 GohgamX wrote:
Wish these numbers would pick up again T_T Player streams have been consistently dropping in numbers since 2012. A combination of over-saturation, viewer fatigue and generally unfulfilled hype created a bubble that is slowly deflating back to a more reasonable volume. The days where Stephano could just randomly start up his stream and pull 15k are long gone. Ad revenue is also much worse, so each viewer is worth a lot less. Personal streaming just isn't a very viable way of supporting yourself anymore, with a few notable exceptions. It's more a way of interacting with a smaller crowd of dedicated fans, and we'd perhaps be better off thinking of it that way. I think Scarlett might pull some pretty good numbers when she starts up, but it will level out eventually like it does for everyone.
Then how can LoL streamers, a few Heartstone and a few DoTA2 streamers, pull off 25k viewers sometimes.
Nightblu3 can get up to 30k on a regular Solo Queue night, and thats with other 10k viewers at the same time. Personal streaming is viable, just not in sc2
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On April 04 2014 02:41 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:36 Squat wrote:On April 03 2014 23:11 GohgamX wrote:
Wish these numbers would pick up again T_T Player streams have been consistently dropping in numbers since 2012. A combination of over-saturation, viewer fatigue and generally unfulfilled hype created a bubble that is slowly deflating back to a more reasonable volume. The days where Stephano could just randomly start up his stream and pull 15k are long gone. Ad revenue is also much worse, so each viewer is worth a lot less. Personal streaming just isn't a very viable way of supporting yourself anymore, with a few notable exceptions. It's more a way of interacting with a smaller crowd of dedicated fans, and we'd perhaps be better off thinking of it that way. I think Scarlett might pull some pretty good numbers when she starts up, but it will level out eventually like it does for everyone. Then how can LoL streamers, a few Heartstone and a few DoTA2 streamers, pull off 25k viewers sometimes. Nightblu3 can get up to 30k on a regular Solo Queue night, and thats with other 10k viewers at the same time. Personal streaming is viable, just not in sc2
I don't understand the point here. They do better because they pull far higher numbers. SC2 players don't pull huge numbers, and as such streaming is not a viable avenue to support oneself as an SC2 player. I thought it was fairly self-explanatory.
I didn't comment on LoL, I've never watched the game and I have no opinion of it. People were talking about how SC2 viewer numbers are low and I commented on that. It is also a simple fact that ad revenue per viewer is lower.
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I wonder why the korean audience doesn't watch the streams, do they?
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On April 04 2014 04:00 Ludwigvan wrote:
I wonder why the korean audience doesn't watch the streams, do they?
If they do, they most likely do it on afreeca, the Korean streaming platform. But SC2 is very underrepresented there, as far as I know. On afreeca, BW is doing far better than SC2 (all the old BW pros stream there).
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