EPTNaniwa released from Alliance - Page 6
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:35 JacobShock wrote: Today I called in at work and told my boss they should find a replacement for me today, because I don't really feel like working right now. But he said there would be consequences if I didn't show up to do my job, so it almost forced me to show up. It's extremely funny and they should have known, because when I got at work, I did a half assed job and went home after an hour. After that I got fired, I know what you are thinking, weird right? As big of a naniwa fanboy that i'm i have to admin ur right . you have to add aswel that you missed work in the last 4 " months" becose of you being "ill" wich is very wierd 4 months in a row ( in naniwa case 4 tournaments ). | ||
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trada
Germany347 Posts
but at this point it would be good to hear from Alliance's head guy. (same as EGs head guy? | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
 How the hell remained in the scene for so long with this attitude is an enigma to me. The best players acknowledge their downfalls and respect their opponents. Naniwa is just making up silly excuses while trying to make himself look like nobody's as good as him. What a goddamn idiot. Sorry for the tone, but this guy is genuinely making me angry. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:35 TaKeSeN wrote: I saw a few people defending him "a good manager would not let him go etc" I can t get this since he is and got paid to bring results like this (going to a 100k tournament is already awesome promotion) on top of that he was the only foreigner which is even better promotion. A real professional would go there try to play his best and after this talk to his team to find a solution for his future.... Don t get me wrong i really dont like to push someone for something he really doesnt like but when i sign a Pro Gamer and pay him thousands of dollars a month i want him to play this kind of stuff cause then i am getting a return of what i ve invested. We want to become professional? We compare eSport with real sport? Then please lets start to act like pros as a organiztation but expecially also as a player and this kind of behaviour is good for some drama but bad for what tournaments like IEM etc are aiming for. NaNiwa is a unique guy hard to control actually almost no way you can control him. How many big Starcraft II tournaments did he say he confirms that he visits the tournament and just close before the event he refused but only if you ask him again to make sure he is going....7-10times i guess (3times Asus 3times my own HSC x times Dreamhack) I m that kind of guy who likes some drama but with IEM even when he didnt like the game anymore or wasnt active enough it has just shown his poor character and was to much! Just my 2 cents This is a good post, but honestly you shouldn't be surprised at the people defending him because as a poster above pointed out, they've most likely never held a job in their lives, or not for long anyway (and we could even assume why that is, based on what they're saying hehe). On March 21 2014 19:33 sparklyresidue wrote: also, there are a lot of people in this thread that apparently have never held a job. Which really isn't surprising considering the main demographic of TL but hey there you go. Yeah, players should work with managers towards finding the best middle ground between player and team/sponsors, but what people forget is that star players like Naniwa are pampered a lot to begin with, and sometimes it's just not worth it to keep doing that. He was an excellent player for most of his career though, no question about that. | ||
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Okee
Sweden54 Posts
I actually thought he was gonna change for a little while there, when he had his Code S run and actually behaved for once, so I actually supported him during that time. But then the format changed to WCS and he turned into the same old Naniwa-douche. And yes, I totally agree with the statement that all naniwa-supporters seem to be swedish. All of my friends like him and when I bug them about it eventually the only real reasoning they can give is ".. well.. he's swedish" which is just so stupid my brain hurts. Wonderful way to go out Naniwa, being boo'd off the stage and then kicked by your team, just kind of proves what kind of person you are... | ||
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benefluence
United States158 Posts
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Elitios
France164 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:27 Ente wrote: But you also cant be sure what were those fights behind the scenes if Naniwa made it completly clear that he wanted to stop with the game or be like Stephano and still kindof play but not be fully commited. I also think that Alliance didnt want to get pressured into letting Naniwa get out of his contract freely, just because of the possible image danger (which they now certaintly got) which Naniwas bm might give to them. So it kindof sucks for everyone (including the viewers) involved into Starcraft Yes that is very true. We don't know everything. So maybe it's pointless to discuss this. You're right. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:33 ACrow wrote: This sure sounds like complaining to me: If he didn't want to go there and didn't want to stay on the team, he wouldn't go. If you as an employee don't fulfill your contract, the worst consequence will be that you are fired*. So he obviously felt threatened by the thought of being fired and thus had some expectation of benefit by being employed. *except for the very rare circumstance of contractual penalties for the employee in case of not fulfillment, which are rare in the real world and I for sure doubt that they are part of professional esport player contracts ...It's ironic because he didn't want to play Starcraft 2 anymore, but they forced him to play anyway, which resulted in him being removed. How the hell is that complaining? He says that he was threatened with some kind of consequence if he didn't go. He's said that he hadn't practiced in over a month and he doesn't care about being removed from the team, so what evidence is there the he expected to continue to get paid? | ||
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Penev
28475 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:27 Ente wrote: But you also cant be sure what were those fights behind the scenes if Naniwa made it completly clear that he wanted to stop with the game or be like Stephano and still kindof play but not be fully commited. I also think that Alliance didnt want to get pressured into letting Naniwa get out of his contract freely, just because of the possible image danger (which they now certaintly got) which Naniwas bm might give to them. So it kindof sucks for everyone (including the viewers) involved into Starcraft (@Rude: Np (your English is/ was fine btw)!) We can, indeed, not be sure of what exactly has been going on behind the scenes. We can only speculate but I had the feeling (and mentioned it in the other thread) that some team pressure was placed on Naniwa because even for him, this behavior was strange. His tweets prior to the tournament also suggest he didn't want to be there imo. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:38 BlueFlames wrote: People defending Naniwa must either be really stupid, or never had a job. What a disgrace to the community. What exactly did he do that was so wrong here? | ||
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ETisME
12387 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote: [/i]Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways yes, you are not a solder, but it doesn't mean if you have to do it or there are occasions you have to listen to what you need to do, and when you are doing what you are told to do, you don't do such a messy job. you are expected to have a reasonable performance even if you are "forced" to do it. you are still an employee. | ||
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samura1panda
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:35 TaKeSeN wrote: I saw a few people defending him "a good manager would not let him go etc" I can t get this since he is and got paid to bring results like this (going to a 100k tournament is already awesome promotion) on top of that he was the only foreigner which is even better promotion. A real professional would go there try to play his best and after this talk to his team to find a solution for his future.... Don t get me wrong i really dont like to push someone for something he really doesnt like but when i sign a Pro Gamer and pay him thousands of dollars a month i want him to play this kind of stuff cause then i am getting a return of what i ve invested. We want to become professional? We compare eSport with real sport? Then please lets start to act like pros as a organiztation but expecially also as a player and this kind of behaviour is good for some drama but bad for what tournaments like IEM etc are aiming for. NaNiwa is a unique guy hard to control actually almost no way you can control him. How many big Starcraft II tournaments did he say he confirms that he visits the tournament and just close before the event he refused but only if you ask him again to make sure he is going....7-10times i guess (3times Asus 3times my own HSC x times Dreamhack) I m that kind of guy who likes some drama but with IEM even when he didnt like the game anymore or wasnt active enough it has just shown his poor character and was to much! Just my 2 cents This is a pretty good post. But when you have an employee that can damage your company, you have to take certain securities. Maybe they didn't thought he could do damage by going to IEM. As we don't really know the behind the thing. It's tough to speculate. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
Point is that he will always be far from perfect, nobody should be surprised that he acts out the cocks inside his head. I'm surprised he has so many swedish fans actually. Probably because he plays SC2 really good. Reason why I like him too. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:42 GolemMadness wrote: ...It's ironic because he didn't want to play Starcraft 2 anymore, but they forced him to play anyway, which resulted in him being removed. How the hell is that complaining? He says that he was threatened with some kind of consequence if he didn't go. He's said that he hadn't practiced in over a month and he doesn't care about being removed from the team, so what evidence is there the he expected to continue to get paid? Ok, we obviously have different opinions on what constitutes complaining, so let's leave it at that. To the second point: the ONLY way with which an employer can legally threaten his employees with is by withholding payment or other contractual benefits, so logically this must have been what Naniwa was feeling threatened by. Ergo, he must have expected some kind of payment. | ||
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but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. 
