EPT...but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things...
In other words, he was forced to go because of a contract he signed.
Fulfilling a contract doesn't sound unreasonable to me...
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
In other words, he was forced to go because of a contract he signed. Fulfilling a contract doesn't sound unreasonable to me... | ||
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ThePlagueJG
Sweden1010 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:47 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Naniwa was a cockhead even before he started playing SC2, ask anyone from Sweden & Rakaka. Point is that he will always be far from perfect, nobody should be surprised that he acts out the cocks inside his head. I'm surprised he has so many swedish fans actually. Probably because he plays SC2 really good. Reason why I like him too. Mainly because of the skill for me, then again Im not the person who gets mad about drama. Hes done some bad shit though, no joke. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On March 21 2014 16:26 Cheren wrote: Stephano is caught in some sort of endless feedback loop of constantly needing more streaming hours, fortunately he has found a way to fill those hours with the fewest amount of games possible. What exactly is the Stephano situation? He's been streaming a lot lately and it's not as if he needs the money, and at the last homestory he even had an EG jacket, what's the deal? | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:35 JacobShock wrote: Today I called in at work and told my boss they should find a replacement for me today, because I don't really feel like working right now, I just don't find it fun. But he said there would be consequences if I didn't show up to do my job, so it almost forced me to show up. It's extremely funny and they should have known, because when I got at work, I did a half assed job and went home after an hour. After that I got fired, I know what you are thinking, weird right? Funnily enough...that's exactly it. Now if the job is being a progamer on a progaming team who doesn't want to game professionally anymore...because he decided that the passion he invested so much time into pursuing had died... Connecting the dots... A team which was, not coincidentally, pretty much created to hire him so that he could play a videogame professionally for as long as he showed such unwavering desire to win coupled with an attention grabbing personality... So yeah. What's being thrown around is that Naniwa somehow has an obligation to play video games professionally, because he's thrown all his eggs into one basket and this is pretty much what he has to do...because it's his job. It's how he makes money. Naniwa wanted to win. And progaming is not the sort of "career," where these sorts of lenses apply with any degree of accuracy. He decided to quit. He can do that. I guess, yes, he was fired for his actions. But his motivation was never to retain a career as a professional gamer because it's a sustainable job with income that pays the bills. Because as everyone always talks about, pursuing progaming as a career like that would be ridiculous. That's just not how it works. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:45 ETisME wrote: [/i]yes, you are not a solder, but it doesn't mean if you have to do it or there are occasions you have to listen to what you need to do, and when you are doing what you are told to do, you don't do such a messy job. you are expected to have a reasonable performance even if you are "forced" to do it. you are still an employee. I think i get what you want to say. It's true sometime you don't have a choice. Even sometime when you are fired and you still have to do some work (in my country, you can't really be fired and not come back the day after. You still have some month to do). But as a company you need to assert if the last month of work will endanger you or something. Like if i was to get fired, my company would have to make sure i don't attend meetings where i could to some bad things. Because even if i'm to get fired i still can do some bad thing (if i'm unprofessional). So in that case they should have told him to just do online cups or something. But in this line of work you have to get exposure so i'm not sure what they could have done. | ||
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1054 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:47 ACrow wrote: Ok, we obviously have different opinions on what constitutes complaining, so let's leave it at that. To the second point: the ONLY way with which an employer can legally threaten his employees with is by withholding payment or other contractual benefits, so logically this must have been what Naniwa was feeling threatened by. Ergo, he must have expected some kind of payment. Really? IEM, who is not his employer, threatened to withhold payment from him? | ||
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Odious_Repeater
Germany32 Posts
1.) Giving Naniwa shit for his lack of professionalism. 2.) Defending the likes of Idra, Incontrol and other serious, high-visibility people for saying and/or doing homophobic, sexist, transphobic and racist shit. You know, just to get an idea of what this little group of boys and manchildren actually thinks makes a good Starcraft pro. 'Cause I have a feeling that "being a good human being and not a vile waste of life" doesn't really rank all that high for y'all. That's not to say Naniwa is the best human specimen on the planet, of course. For those unable to read. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Siphyo
Netherlands121 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:38 BlueFlames wrote: People defending Naniwa must either be really stupid, or never had a job. What a disgrace to the community. People thinking this should/can be compared with a job must either be really stupid, or have never been a progamer. See what I did there? By making nonsensical comparisons you can argue with or defend any action no matter how wrong, weird or stupid it is. I've never been a Naniwa fan until áfter 'his actions' at IEM, simply because of the sheer ridiculousness of the uproar it caused in the increasingly toxic 'community (lol)'. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:55 Siphyo wrote: People thinking this should/can be compared with a job must either be really stupid, or have never been a progamer. See what I did there? By making nonsensical comparisons you can argue with or defend any action no matter how wrong, weird or stupid it is. I've never been a Naniwa fan until áfter 'his actions' at IEM, simply because of the sheer ridiculousness of the uproar it caused in the increasingly toxic 'community (lol)'. I don't think you quite understand. He chose to forfeit instead of playing two more games in a tournament. He is literally the worst person on the planet, and we need everyone on here to make personal insults against him. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:57 GolemMadness wrote: I don't think you quite understand. He chose to forfeit instead of playing two more games in a tournament. He is literally the worst person on the planet, and we need everyone on here to make personal insults against him. yah, terrible human being if anything, Naniwa is the definition of a man + Show Spoiler + | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:52 Odious_Repeater wrote: If I gave enough of a shit about TL I might put together a spreadsheet of names and try to identify among which members there is overlap between: 1.) Giving Naniwa shit for his lack of professionalism. 2.) Defending the likes of Idra, Incontrol and other serious, high-visibility people for saying and/or doing homophobic, sexist, transphobic and racist shit. You know, just to get an idea of what this little group of boys and manchildren actually thinks makes a good Starcraft pro. 'Cause I have a feeling that "being a good human being and not a vile waste of life" doesn't really rank all that high for y'all. That's not to say Naniwa is the best human specimen on the planet, of course. For those unable to read. People are different. I dislike Naniwa but not iDra for some reason. They were both good at their time. Both said shit and did some pretty similar things. Discutable ones. But in interviews for exemple, iDra was really more professional than Naniwa. So maybe that's why. Incontrol is a weird one. He is really professional but he got carried away some time and said pretty weird stuff. I have no opinions of incontrol. I have a good/bad of iDra and a bad one for Naniwa. Maybe people are touched by different kind of behavior acceptance. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:55 Siphyo wrote: People thinking this should/can be compared with a job must either be really stupid, or have never been a progamer. See what I did there? By making nonsensical comparisons you can argue with or defend any action no matter how wrong, weird or stupid it is. I've never been a Naniwa fan until áfter 'his actions' at IEM, simply because of the sheer ridiculousness of the uproar it caused in the increasingly toxic 'community (lol)'. Pro gaming is his job so the comparison is just fine. The definition of the word job. "job1 [job] noun 1. a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price: She gave him the job of mowing the lawn. 2. a post of employment; full-time or part-time position: She was seeking a job as an editor. 3. anything a person is expected or obliged to do; duty; responsibility: It is your job to be on time. 4. an affair, matter, occurrence, or state of affairs: to make the best of a bad job. 5. the material, project, assignment, etc., being worked upon: The housing project was a long and costly job." | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:51 GolemMadness wrote: Really? IEM, who is not his employer, threatened to withhold payment from him? Wtf? Obviously IEM can't threaten him with anything, and he didn't even speak to them at all (neither does he claim so, nor does Kennigit's post indicate that they even talked to the team). He talked to his team, and they applied the perceived pressure he felt threatened by. For the rest see the reasoning in my prior post. | ||
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reapsen
Germany559 Posts
On March 21 2014 19:35 JacobShock wrote: Today I called in at work and told my boss they should find a replacement for me today, because I don't really feel like working right now, I just don't find it fun. But he said there would be consequences if I didn't show up to do my job, so it almost forced me to show up. It's extremely funny and they should have known, because when I got at work, I did a half assed job and went home after an hour. After that I got fired, I know what you are thinking, weird right? And then an even more weird thing happens: people that actually care about my work start giving me flak because of it. What a buch of ignorant fucks, right? I told them that i find my work boring, so what do they expect?! That i give my best anyways for one last time? Are these guys stupid? They should be grateful to me because they had the honor to be graced with my existence in the first place. | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
On March 21 2014 20:02 ACrow wrote: Wtf? Obviously IEM can't threaten him with anything, and he didn't even speak to them at all (neither does he claim so, nor does Kennigit's post indicate that they even talked to the team). He talked to his team, and they applied the perceived pressure he felt threatened by. For the rest see the reasoning in my prior post. I think technically ESL can fine his WCS money for that. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On March 21 2014 20:02 ACrow wrote: Wtf? Obviously IEM can't threaten him with anything, and he didn't even speak to them at all (neither does he claim so, nor does Kennigit's post indicate that they even talked to the team). He talked to his team, and they applied the perceived pressure he felt threatened by. For the rest see the reasoning in my prior post. "but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me )" | ||
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looken
727 Posts
On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote: im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote: its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill I mean seriously..? Why don't go with at least a little bit of dignity? | ||
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