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On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame?
I don't know, like, this might be far-fetched and all, but maybe because they are writing Naniwa's pay check and are expecting something in return?
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On March 22 2014 05:44 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:30 Fran_ wrote:On March 22 2014 03:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To be fair to Naniwa, he earned his position with hard work and skill. That's what makes the whole thing so tragic and infuriating, there's nothing worse than watching someone squander their talent. That is precisely what I find very sad in this whole story: knowing that Nani has so much talent and he's wasting it cause of his attitude. I'm not talking only about SC2 here, but what will happen next to the kid. Who is defending Nani's actions here is doing him a disservice not a favor. People close to him and supporting him must make him understand that he's the one who is going to suffer the most from his actions, not Alliance, not SC2, not the esport scene. actually, you aren't doing him a favor by not minding your own business and trying to 'teach/control' him to be the way you want him to be. contrary to what everyone thinks, he will be fine, at least by his standards, and that should allow TL forumers to get off his dick.
I'm politely expressing my opinion which I'm entitled to and, last time I checked, is also allowed. I don't know him personally, so claiming that I'm trying to "teach/control" someone I have never even met is, frankly, ridiculous.
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It's his job.
If he doesn't like it, he is free to quit. But if he doesn't quit and acts the way he did, they can fire him.
Nobody can *FORCE* you to go play at IEM. As in physically force.
Perhaps he had something in his contract that said he was liable for $X if he didn't go. So he was "forced" to go if he didn't want to pay a fine or get sued etc.
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On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame?
It's his fucking job.
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On March 22 2014 05:50 iNsaNe- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? I don't know, like, this might be far-fetched and all, but maybe because they are writing Naniwa's pay check and are expecting something in return?
That is a fair point, but it was no secret that Naniwa had already semi-retired and stopped playing months before the event. There is no way Naniwa was going to bring much in returns, that was an obvious fact.
Also, other players such as Stephano have forfeited tournament spots on multiple occasions.
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On March 22 2014 05:56 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? It's his fucking job.
I'm amazed by your tone. So just because [A] dishes out some cash they are invulnerable to criticism?
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On March 22 2014 05:46 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? because he could've said no, stuck to that and gotten fired (or gave his resignation) instead of saying no, still going, pulling what he did off then getting fired lol.
i addressed that by saying that i understand blaming nani. but who would actually not blame the team and put it soley on naniwa?
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On March 22 2014 06:02 aldochillbro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:46 BigFan wrote:On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? because he could've said no, stuck to that and gotten fired (or gave his resignation) instead of saying no, still going, pulling what he did off then getting fired lol. i addressed that by saying that i understand blaming nani. but who would actually not blame the team and put it soley on naniwa?
blame can always be spread around but as mentioned, he signed the contract and he can't be forced to go if he is that adamant on not going. Either way, posts above addressed this point better.
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On March 22 2014 05:56 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? It's his fucking job.
Proffesional athletes are not obliged to participate in every competition they are qualified for. Being a Pro gamer is not like working at McDonalds or Wall-Mart.
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On March 22 2014 05:59 Ravomat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:56 Broodwurst wrote:On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? It's his fucking job. I'm amazed by your tone. So just because [A] dishes out some cash they are invulnerable to criticism?
No, they're just invulnerable to dumb criticism. If you only want to go to events of your choosing, then don't sign a contract with a team.
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On March 22 2014 06:03 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:56 Broodwurst wrote:On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? It's his fucking job. Proffesional athletes are not obliged to participate in every competition they are qualified for. Being a Pro gamer is not like working at McDonalds or Wall-Mart. Depends on specification in a contract i think..
I don't think the problem is him not wanting to go. The point is more that he misbehaved (at least according to the audience, many people online and the team) while he was there. If he really couldn't be forced, he shouldn't have gone if he had reasons not to. If he had an obligation to go, he should've made the best of it. By dishonouring himself (in my view) he shamed his team and thus their sponsor. The decision to let him go seems natural to me.
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Nothing is ever his fault, I love it haha
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for all ppl saying alliance forced him : he didnt went for last 4 lans so basicaly he was " if he was " recieving salary for nothing . no lan representation no streaming nothing . not how things work in real life .
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On March 22 2014 06:12 Yorbon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 06:03 sc2holar wrote:On March 22 2014 05:56 Broodwurst wrote:On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? It's his fucking job. Proffesional athletes are not obliged to participate in every competition they are qualified for. Being a Pro gamer is not like working at McDonalds or Wall-Mart. Depends on specification in a contract i think.. I don't think the problem is him not wanting to go. The point is more that he misbehaved (at least according to the audience, many people online and the team) while he was there. If he really couldn't be forced, he shouldn't have gone if he had reasons not to. If he had an obligation to go, he should've made the best of it. By dishonouring himself (in my view) he shamed his team and thus their sponsor. The decision to let him go seems natural to me.
I dont think anyone is blaming Alliance for Naniwas behaviour during IEM. In fact, judging from the responses in this thread, It seems like their reputation has blown through the roof for their decision to fire Naniwa.
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On March 22 2014 05:50 iNsaNe- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? I don't know, like, this might be far-fetched and all, but maybe because they are writing Naniwa's pay check and are expecting something in return?
They don't have to pay him for going to IEM if he doesn't go to IEM. They can release him from his contract if he breaches the terms. If it wasn't in the terms, that's management's fault. He publicly stated that he hadn't practiced in over a month and there was no reason for him to be there. Why would the team try to force him to play when he obviously wouldn't represent them well at all and probably talk about how they forced him to go there? I'm a bit amazed at the people running Alliance. They sound like stupid people to me.
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On March 22 2014 05:58 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:50 iNsaNe- wrote:On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? I don't know, like, this might be far-fetched and all, but maybe because they are writing Naniwa's pay check and are expecting something in return? That is a fair point, but it was no secret that Naniwa had already semi-retired and stopped playing months before the event. There is no way Naniwa was going to bring much in returns, that was an obvious fact. Also, other players such as Stephano have forfeited tournament spots on multiple occasions.
Did he also stop accepting paychecks months before the event?
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On March 22 2014 06:11 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 05:59 Ravomat wrote:On March 22 2014 05:56 Broodwurst wrote:On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? It's his fucking job. I'm amazed by your tone. So just because [A] dishes out some cash they are invulnerable to criticism? No, they're just invulnerable to dumb criticism. If you only want to go to events of your choosing, then don't sign a contract with a team.
Players decide to skip tournaments all the time. For example Stardust decided not to go to IEM NY last year because he couldn't win enough points to qualify for Blizzcon. I don't remember there being a shitstorm about that.
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lol what i want to wonder is how old are these ppl defending naniwa and have they ever held a job in their lives. its not a hard concept to grasp - you get paid to do x, you do x. if you don't want to, you get fired. simple.
naniwa trying to act like a victim by being "forced" to do his job? only someone who is currently unemployed (and hence wouldn't understand concepts such as professionalism) would buy that line of reasoning
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On March 22 2014 06:17 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 06:12 Yorbon wrote:On March 22 2014 06:03 sc2holar wrote:On March 22 2014 05:56 Broodwurst wrote:On March 22 2014 05:44 aldochillbro wrote:
it's terrible that anyone is defending the team in this situation. I get blaming nani, but how can anyone defend that pretty much forced one of their players to get on a plane and play in a tournament that he didn't want to be in? in a scene that gets butthurt about...everything, how come his team is taking less of the blame? It's his fucking job. Proffesional athletes are not obliged to participate in every competition they are qualified for. Being a Pro gamer is not like working at McDonalds or Wall-Mart. Depends on specification in a contract i think.. I don't think the problem is him not wanting to go. The point is more that he misbehaved (at least according to the audience, many people online and the team) while he was there. If he really couldn't be forced, he shouldn't have gone if he had reasons not to. If he had an obligation to go, he should've made the best of it. By dishonouring himself (in my view) he shamed his team and thus their sponsor. The decision to let him go seems natural to me. I dont think anyone is blaming Alliance for Naniwas behaviour during IEM. In fact, judging from the responses in this thread, It seems like their reputation has blown through the roof for their decision to fire Naniwa. Compliments on an obvious decision are pretty shallow i think. If there is nothing else to complement this, the reputational effect (if it even exists) will fade away pretty quickly.
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On March 22 2014 06:24 fishjie wrote:
lol what i want to wonder is how old are these ppl defending naniwa and have they ever held a job in their lives. its not a hard concept to grasp - you get paid to do x, you do x. if you don't want to, you get fired. simple.
naniwa trying to act like a victim by being "forced" to do his job? only someone who is currently unemployed (and hence wouldn't understand concepts such as professionalism) would buy that line of reasoning
As mentioned above, players skip tournaments all the time (without having to retire or leave their teams), but for some reason Naniwa was not allowed to. This is not like a regular job.
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