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Hope EG can get to participate, would be good to see!
Awesome to see this cup going strong for it's third round already. 
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I've been waiting for this! Cant wait!
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Hell yes!!! Looking forward to see who can make it through the qualifiers!! :D
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Can I cast it in English? :D
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TaKe really providing the scene with great work and content, KEEP IT GOING!
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gonna be cheering for TeamTaeJa lol
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Is empire going to use its academy players?
#hiphophype
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Canada7089 Posts
Nice, glad to see this up again. I hope Empire has a decent partner team so that they can field enough players for every match, I'd be sad to see them be the punching bag of the league again.
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Empire only has two players right ? How are they going to do then ? Are they going to partner with someone ?
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Should be another great season, EG qualifying would be nice .
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Empire is there only coz of Empire-Ence partnership. elfi was their best player.
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20 dollars, so prestigious
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glad to see another 'story cup' event
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take is doing so much for esports thank you!
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Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet.
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On March 11 2014 00:13 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Empire is there only coz of Empire-Ence partnership. elfi was their best player.
Also because I don't think they'd bother kicking them out as they'd be the only team still around from 2 to 3 that would be kicked.
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On March 11 2014 00:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet.
I think those are all the teams that didn't get eliminated last season o.o Empire also has too few to play atm
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On March 11 2014 00:29 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet. I think those are all the teams that didn't get eliminated last season o.o Empire also has too few to play atm
Yeah, I think the announcement needs rewording to say "these teams have been invited" (which we actually haven't yet, officially as far as I know) or "these teams are eligible". Saying anything else is not true yet.
Again I'm sure this will all be sorted out but it reflects poorly on teams if they are perceived as "pulling out" of an event they hadn't agreed to yet in the first place. Basically Axiom participation is reliant on travel compensation agreements for the finals since flying an entire team from Korea is very expensive and not something we can afford to do without adequate travel support.
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bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports 
they should go through the qualis tho ^_^;
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On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^;
This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before
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On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before
did iG play? I can't remember them :o
Edit: if what you're saying is true, then it makes sense
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On March 11 2014 00:36 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before did iG play? I can't remember them :o
Yes they did.
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Canada7089 Posts
On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before
They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by WW.
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On March 11 2014 00:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:29 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 11 2014 00:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet. I think those are all the teams that didn't get eliminated last season o.o Empire also has too few to play atm Yeah, I think the announcement needs rewording to say "these teams have been invited" (which we actually haven't yet, officially as far as I know) or "these teams are eligible". Saying anything else is not true yet. Again I'm sure this will all be sorted out but it reflects poorly on teams if they are perceived as "pulling out" of an event they hadn't agreed to yet in the first place. Basically Axiom participation is reliant on travel compensation agreements for the finals since flying an entire team from Korea is very expensive and not something we can afford to do without adequate travel support.
Thanks for the inside info.
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On March 11 2014 00:41 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by Check.
Fixed that for you 
On a separate note I'd love to see the merc rule removed this time around. I don't honestly think that mercs have any place in team leagues, especially all-kill which are so susceptible to star-player stompings. It doesn't reward having a deep wellrounded roster, it rewards picking up the strongest ringer you can find. Imho, you either do a full partnership with another team or you play alone, you don't just cherry-pick a really strong player. We saw what happened to WW when they couldn't bring San, they got wrecked in the finals.
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So... Doesn't Empire only have 2 players? And Ence no longer has an SC2 squad, so... how is that going to work?
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On March 11 2014 00:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:41 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by Check. Fixed that for you On a separate note I'd love to see the merc rule removed this time around. I don't honestly think that mercs have any place in team leagues, especially all-kill which are so susceptible to star-player stompings. It doesn't reward having a deep wellrounded roster, it rewards picking up the strongest ringer you can find. Imho, you either do a full partnership with another team or you play alone, you don't just cherry-pick a really strong player. We saw what happened to WW when they couldn't bring San, they got wrecked in the finals.
I agree and we purposely never picked up a merc despite often being short on players last season.
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On March 11 2014 00:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:41 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by Check. Fixed that for you On a separate note I'd love to see the merc rule removed this time around. I don't honestly think that mercs have any place in team leagues, especially all-kill which are so susceptible to star-player stompings. It doesn't reward having a deep wellrounded roster, it rewards picking up the strongest ringer you can find. Imho, you either do a full partnership with another team or you play alone, you don't just cherry-pick a really strong player. We saw what happened to WW when they couldn't bring San, they got wrecked in the finals.
i fully agree. either you have a full team (or form one) able to compete or not.
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On March 11 2014 00:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:41 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by Check. Fixed that for you On a separate note I'd love to see the merc rule removed this time around. I don't honestly think that mercs have any place in team leagues, especially all-kill which are so susceptible to star-player stompings. It doesn't reward having a deep wellrounded roster, it rewards picking up the strongest ringer you can find. Imho, you either do a full partnership with another team or you play alone, you don't just cherry-pick a really strong player. We saw what happened to WW when they couldn't bring San, they got wrecked in the finals. I agree and we purposely never picked up a merc despite often being short on players last season.
If anything, I'd say mercing puts the team doing it in a bad light anyway. If your victories are handed to you by a player that isn't even on your team, how does that 1) make the rest of your team feel and 2) make you look to the viewers? If not for Checks strong performance last season, I'd say WW had no right to get to the playoffs and even Check wasn't able to stop them getting rolled in said playoffs without San to back him up.
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Canada7089 Posts
On March 11 2014 00:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:41 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by Check. Fixed that for you On a separate note I'd love to see the merc rule removed this time around. I don't honestly think that mercs have any place in team leagues, especially all-kill which are so susceptible to star-player stompings. It doesn't reward having a deep wellrounded roster, it rewards picking up the strongest ringer you can find. Imho, you either do a full partnership with another team or you play alone, you don't just cherry-pick a really strong player. We saw what happened to WW when they couldn't bring San, they got wrecked in the finals.
I don't see the distinction between Check and WW last season. I don't see it at all.
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On March 11 2014 00:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:29 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 11 2014 00:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet. I think those are all the teams that didn't get eliminated last season o.o Empire also has too few to play atm Yeah, I think the announcement needs rewording to say "these teams have been invited" (which we actually haven't yet, officially as far as I know) or "these teams are eligible". Saying anything else is not true yet. Again I'm sure this will all be sorted out but it reflects poorly on teams if they are perceived as "pulling out" of an event they hadn't agreed to yet in the first place. Basically Axiom participation is reliant on travel compensation agreements for the finals since flying an entire team from Korea is very expensive and not something we can afford to do without adequate travel support.
To be fair, you did post in the SSC thread that this ATC was yours (Axiom's). Of course, it doesn't make it official but if TakeTV did jump the gun, you did as well.
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On March 11 2014 00:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:41 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by Check. Fixed that for you On a separate note I'd love to see the merc rule removed this time around. I don't honestly think that mercs have any place in team leagues, especially all-kill which are so susceptible to star-player stompings. It doesn't reward having a deep wellrounded roster, it rewards picking up the strongest ringer you can find. Imho, you either do a full partnership with another team or you play alone, you don't just cherry-pick a really strong player. We saw what happened to WW when they couldn't bring San, they got wrecked in the finals. I agree and we purposely never picked up a merc despite often being short on players last season.
I agree too. Merc rules is not good for a Team league, You have to fight with your own forces.
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On March 11 2014 00:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:41 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by Check. Fixed that for you On a separate note I'd love to see the merc rule removed this time around. I don't honestly think that mercs have any place in team leagues, especially all-kill which are so susceptible to star-player stompings. It doesn't reward having a deep wellrounded roster, it rewards picking up the strongest ringer you can find. Imho, you either do a full partnership with another team or you play alone, you don't just cherry-pick a really strong player. We saw what happened to WW when they couldn't bring San, they got wrecked in the finals. I agree and we purposely never picked up a merc despite often being short on players last season.
But you already had TaeJa!
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On March 11 2014 01:11 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:29 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 11 2014 00:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet. I think those are all the teams that didn't get eliminated last season o.o Empire also has too few to play atm Yeah, I think the announcement needs rewording to say "these teams have been invited" (which we actually haven't yet, officially as far as I know) or "these teams are eligible". Saying anything else is not true yet. Again I'm sure this will all be sorted out but it reflects poorly on teams if they are perceived as "pulling out" of an event they hadn't agreed to yet in the first place. Basically Axiom participation is reliant on travel compensation agreements for the finals since flying an entire team from Korea is very expensive and not something we can afford to do without adequate travel support. To be fair, you did post in the SSC thread that this ATC was yours (Axiom's). Of course, it doesn't make it official but if TakeTV did jump the gun, you did as well.
Fun trashtalk should not be regarded or punished like this. Nobody in their right mind would take that as a commitment. Our social media team talks about ATC too. Do you prefer radio silence regarding the term ATC because speaking about it could indicate participation?
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On March 11 2014 01:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 01:11 vthree wrote:On March 11 2014 00:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:29 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 11 2014 00:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet. I think those are all the teams that didn't get eliminated last season o.o Empire also has too few to play atm Yeah, I think the announcement needs rewording to say "these teams have been invited" (which we actually haven't yet, officially as far as I know) or "these teams are eligible". Saying anything else is not true yet. Again I'm sure this will all be sorted out but it reflects poorly on teams if they are perceived as "pulling out" of an event they hadn't agreed to yet in the first place. Basically Axiom participation is reliant on travel compensation agreements for the finals since flying an entire team from Korea is very expensive and not something we can afford to do without adequate travel support. To be fair, you did post in the SSC thread that this ATC was yours (Axiom's). Of course, it doesn't make it official but if TakeTV did jump the gun, you did as well. Fun trashtalk should not be regarded or punished like this. Nobody in their right mind would take that as a commitment.
What he said.
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On March 11 2014 00:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:41 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by Check. Fixed that for you On a separate note I'd love to see the merc rule removed this time around. I don't honestly think that mercs have any place in team leagues, especially all-kill which are so susceptible to star-player stompings. It doesn't reward having a deep wellrounded roster, it rewards picking up the strongest ringer you can find. Imho, you either do a full partnership with another team or you play alone, you don't just cherry-pick a really strong player. We saw what happened to WW when they couldn't bring San, they got wrecked in the finals. I agree and we purposely never picked up a merc despite often being short on players last season.
So you deny hiring Pirate- and Mustacheterran?
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Crossing my fingers for a Brat_OK appearance!
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On March 11 2014 01:16 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On March 11 2014 00:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:41 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by Check. Fixed that for you On a separate note I'd love to see the merc rule removed this time around. I don't honestly think that mercs have any place in team leagues, especially all-kill which are so susceptible to star-player stompings. It doesn't reward having a deep wellrounded roster, it rewards picking up the strongest ringer you can find. Imho, you either do a full partnership with another team or you play alone, you don't just cherry-pick a really strong player. We saw what happened to WW when they couldn't bring San, they got wrecked in the finals. I agree and we purposely never picked up a merc despite often being short on players last season. So you deny hiring Pirate- and Mustacheterran?
Both of those guys are on the payroll.
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Just saw that only the two best teams go to Krefeld this time unlike the previous seasons where the top 4 was invited. I guess it's for reducing the costs and I understand that but it's still a little disappointing.
Also, I couldn't agree more with TB. The ace player rule has to go, just like the dumb super revive rule was removed last season. Oh and if I may ask, please, don't put anymore the number of maps won over the map average to determine the ranking in case of a tie. That's just fucked up.
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Great to see the series continue, gogo #teamteaja !
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On March 11 2014 01:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 01:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On March 11 2014 01:11 vthree wrote:On March 11 2014 00:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:29 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 11 2014 00:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet. I think those are all the teams that didn't get eliminated last season o.o Empire also has too few to play atm Yeah, I think the announcement needs rewording to say "these teams have been invited" (which we actually haven't yet, officially as far as I know) or "these teams are eligible". Saying anything else is not true yet. Again I'm sure this will all be sorted out but it reflects poorly on teams if they are perceived as "pulling out" of an event they hadn't agreed to yet in the first place. Basically Axiom participation is reliant on travel compensation agreements for the finals since flying an entire team from Korea is very expensive and not something we can afford to do without adequate travel support. To be fair, you did post in the SSC thread that this ATC was yours (Axiom's). Of course, it doesn't make it official but if TakeTV did jump the gun, you did as well. Fun trashtalk should not be regarded or punished like this. Nobody in their right mind would take that as a commitment. What he said.
Sorry, maybe the tone of my post came out wrong. Of course, the post in SSC is not a commitment of any sorts. I guess what I am trying to say is the wording on the TakeTV post is not a big issue. Yes, technically the wording can be misleading but I am sure that if you do withdraw within reasonable time frame due to whatever circumstance, people would understanding. It is usually the last minute pull outs that gets the hate.
Anyways, hope that their travel compensation is good so Axiom can join.
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On March 11 2014 01:23 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 01:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 01:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On March 11 2014 01:11 vthree wrote:On March 11 2014 00:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:29 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 11 2014 00:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet. I think those are all the teams that didn't get eliminated last season o.o Empire also has too few to play atm Yeah, I think the announcement needs rewording to say "these teams have been invited" (which we actually haven't yet, officially as far as I know) or "these teams are eligible". Saying anything else is not true yet. Again I'm sure this will all be sorted out but it reflects poorly on teams if they are perceived as "pulling out" of an event they hadn't agreed to yet in the first place. Basically Axiom participation is reliant on travel compensation agreements for the finals since flying an entire team from Korea is very expensive and not something we can afford to do without adequate travel support. To be fair, you did post in the SSC thread that this ATC was yours (Axiom's). Of course, it doesn't make it official but if TakeTV did jump the gun, you did as well. Fun trashtalk should not be regarded or punished like this. Nobody in their right mind would take that as a commitment. What he said. Sorry, maybe the tone of my post came out wrong. Of course, the post in SSC is not a commitment of any sorts. I guess what I am trying to say is the wording on the TakeTV post is not a big issue. Yes, technically the wording can be misleading but I am sure that if you do withdraw within reasonable time frame due to whatever circumstance, people would understanding. It is usually the last minute pull outs that gets the hate. Anyways, hope that their travel compensation is good so Axiom can join.
It is in fact a big issue since it is an official announcement post and not a casual off-hand reference.
And no, people wouldn't be understanding. They were certainly not understanding last time, caused my wife to retire and basically killed her interest in Starcraft permanently, when our "crime" was to merely prove the miscommunication regarding travel compensation. You are going to have to forgive me if I don't trust the community anymore when it comes to ATC.
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Think I'll wait for further information before I start to feel it
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I think mercing is also detrimental to the pro-player base. If a teams wants to comepete in clan leagues, it has to accept that they need a well-rounded roster for that. However, by allowing mercs Teams have no incentive to have more than a few star players as they can fill up their roster for cheap if necessary.
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Not this again...
just figure it out and let people now if you participate before the league starts.
no need to start this discussion again.
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Vega will win with new Elfi addition!
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The owners/managers of the three most influential teams of the ATC are speaking out here against the merc rule. Surely there must be a more direct way for feedback?
And while you are at it, maybe H2H should be more important than map wins (map diff > H2H > map wins)
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Yeah the revive and merc rules need to go
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Netherlands4511 Posts
This is really cool news. This has been the most enjoyable & fun teamleague out of all the ones I've ever played in, not to mention great competition between top teams!
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It's a melancholy kind of comedy that iG and Empire have been re-invited because WW and Quantic are no more. This season should be particularly interesting, as the rosters of Complexity, TL, and Mouz have made very noteworthy changes since the last ATC. Best of luck to all involved, and let's not have the same rule confusion as last time that got Liquid in over Mousesports.
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On March 11 2014 01:47 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 01:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 01:23 vthree wrote:On March 11 2014 01:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 01:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On March 11 2014 01:11 vthree wrote:On March 11 2014 00:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:29 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 11 2014 00:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet. I think those are all the teams that didn't get eliminated last season o.o Empire also has too few to play atm Yeah, I think the announcement needs rewording to say "these teams have been invited" (which we actually haven't yet, officially as far as I know) or "these teams are eligible". Saying anything else is not true yet. Again I'm sure this will all be sorted out but it reflects poorly on teams if they are perceived as "pulling out" of an event they hadn't agreed to yet in the first place. Basically Axiom participation is reliant on travel compensation agreements for the finals since flying an entire team from Korea is very expensive and not something we can afford to do without adequate travel support. To be fair, you did post in the SSC thread that this ATC was yours (Axiom's). Of course, it doesn't make it official but if TakeTV did jump the gun, you did as well. Fun trashtalk should not be regarded or punished like this. Nobody in their right mind would take that as a commitment. What he said. Sorry, maybe the tone of my post came out wrong. Of course, the post in SSC is not a commitment of any sorts. I guess what I am trying to say is the wording on the TakeTV post is not a big issue. Yes, technically the wording can be misleading but I am sure that if you do withdraw within reasonable time frame due to whatever circumstance, people would understanding. It is usually the last minute pull outs that gets the hate. Anyways, hope that their travel compensation is good so Axiom can join. It is in fact a big issue since it is an official announcement post and not a casual off-hand reference. And no, people wouldn't be understanding. They were certainly not understanding last time, caused my wife to retire and basically killed her interest in Starcraft permanently, when our "crime" was to merely prove the miscommunication regarding travel compensation. You are going to have to forgive me if I don't trust the community anymore when it comes to ATC. Not to the stir pot you can't help but bring up. But that is not at all what happened.
Let's not reopen it. Please. Nothing good will ever come from this.
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On March 11 2014 01:47 JimmiC wrote:
Not to the stir pot you can't help but bring up. But that is not at all what happened.
EDIT: Not worth it
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On March 11 2014 01:49 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 01:47 JimmiC wrote:On March 11 2014 01:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 01:23 vthree wrote:On March 11 2014 01:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 01:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On March 11 2014 01:11 vthree wrote:On March 11 2014 00:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:29 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On March 11 2014 00:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Axiom hasn't actually confirmed for this so it's a little confusing why we are listed, I think assumptions have been made. I'll talk to TakeTV and get it all sorted out though, I just don't want people blaming us if something changes because we haven't officially agreed to play yet. I think those are all the teams that didn't get eliminated last season o.o Empire also has too few to play atm Yeah, I think the announcement needs rewording to say "these teams have been invited" (which we actually haven't yet, officially as far as I know) or "these teams are eligible". Saying anything else is not true yet. Again I'm sure this will all be sorted out but it reflects poorly on teams if they are perceived as "pulling out" of an event they hadn't agreed to yet in the first place. Basically Axiom participation is reliant on travel compensation agreements for the finals since flying an entire team from Korea is very expensive and not something we can afford to do without adequate travel support. To be fair, you did post in the SSC thread that this ATC was yours (Axiom's). Of course, it doesn't make it official but if TakeTV did jump the gun, you did as well. Fun trashtalk should not be regarded or punished like this. Nobody in their right mind would take that as a commitment. What he said. Sorry, maybe the tone of my post came out wrong. Of course, the post in SSC is not a commitment of any sorts. I guess what I am trying to say is the wording on the TakeTV post is not a big issue. Yes, technically the wording can be misleading but I am sure that if you do withdraw within reasonable time frame due to whatever circumstance, people would understanding. It is usually the last minute pull outs that gets the hate. Anyways, hope that their travel compensation is good so Axiom can join. It is in fact a big issue since it is an official announcement post and not a casual off-hand reference. And no, people wouldn't be understanding. They were certainly not understanding last time, caused my wife to retire and basically killed her interest in Starcraft permanently, when our "crime" was to merely prove the miscommunication regarding travel compensation. You are going to have to forgive me if I don't trust the community anymore when it comes to ATC. Not to the stir pot you can't help but bring up. But that is not at all what happened. Let's not reopen it. Please. Nothing good will ever come from this.
I'm with you. Please, guys. Don't.
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I dont like allkill format, I like to see what proleague does.
Well we see here from TB, Nazgul and Kaeru that a merc isn't great for the team and allkill can do like a merc.
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I hope EG and ROOT can make it!
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On March 11 2014 02:00 Dingodile wrote:
I dont like allkill format, I like to see what proleague does.
Well we see here from TB, Nazgul and Kaeru that a merc isn't great for the team and allkill can do like a merc.
part of what makes the proleague format good is the time players have to prepare and the fact that all of them consider proleague their priority before individual tournaments. I think all-kill is better for ATC. and for sure makes it more exciting
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thats a better foreigner proleague!
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@TB: I don't know why u want to participate another time if you still blame Take for what happened. And from what I read (i think everything, that was published) I think, that Axioms management played a big role, that things went like they did.
Especially you mention the business-page of esport so often... I don't think your behaviour was close to be professional, neither was that of other parts of your management. I don't want to say, that Take did everything right in my opinion, but do not shuttle everything off on him please and ask yourself if you cold have prevent the situation.
Btw. I think this will be a great Teamleague! Nice to see foreign Teams battle again. But sad to see, that the foreign players do less and less the difference. I would like to have a quote, like in some sports. But i know it is very difficult to implement in a fair way.
(sorry for my bad english, hope it is understandable)
Lappen
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I'm in agreement with everyone about ending the merc rule, but I think it'd be funny if someone hired Revival/Oz/Alive to beat EG.
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Please enough with the negativity? When official announcements are made then they are made.
Teamstory Cup is awesome and I want to see more events like it, not less. And especially not because of some bullshit "e-sports drama." E-sports struggle enough as is. Do we really need fucking drama? Can we let the NFL and EPL take care of the drama and just focus on playing some video games please?
I really hope TL and Axiom will play (and excited to see how new recruits do).
EDIT - and yes I've never understood the Merc rule.... I understand if it's a long term player on loan kind of thing (HerO in Proleague with IM) but bringing in.. say.. PartinG.. for a weekend to kill everyone (especially in a fun, laid back tournament like homestory cup) is pretty shitty.
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This will be great again!
I hope that mYi will qualify this time, and that Mouz finally makes it to the playoffs!
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United States33492 Posts
Personally, just as someone with no rooting interests in a specific team, I enjoy the merc rule as it lets us see a wider variety of players.
Getting all-killed by a merc might be the worst feeling in the world for a team and its competitors, but as a viewer all-kills are FUN
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Aw yeah iG!
Hopefully they'll do better this season.
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We need EU and AM Proleague so the teams have the place to battle. I think the lack of teamleagues is a very bad thing for SC2 to develop in EU and AM.
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On March 11 2014 02:12 Waxangel wrote:
Personally, just as someone with no rooting interests in a specific team, I enjoy the merc rule as it lets us see a wider variety of players.
Getting all-killed by a merc might be the worst feeling in the world for a team and its competitors, but as a viewer all-kills are FUN
I agree that it really allows players we normally wouldnt see into the spotlight, but since its a team competition wouldnt it be better for teams to let their lesser known team members have a go? I could probably word that better but I feel like there are lots of interesting players in these rosters without having to bring in someone else, and removing the joker rule might assist with that. Taketv did a great job at the finals showcasing players as individuals and as a team as well.
Also, yeah it sucks when a merc busts your gut.
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I really wonder when the guys from TakeTV will finally get that they should think and double check before they write and communicate these things, public or to players and teams. They produce great events and work hard, but there's plenty to improve outside of that.
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Why are there no big team leagues like ProLeague in EU and AM. Is it a demand thing? Or is nobody willing to organzie it?
I honestly love the format and the games it produces. Also it encourages teams to have a deep roster and gives experience to all the players they might not otherwise get.
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On March 11 2014 02:27 DinoMight wrote:
Why are there no big team leagues like ProLeague in EU and AM. Is it a demand thing? Or is nobody willing to organzie it?
I honestly love the format and the games it produces. Also it encourages teams to have a deep roster and gives experience to all the players they might not otherwise get.
I would assume it is because not all of the teams live together or in close proximity to other teams. All of the Koreans teams are right there together.
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I how tha Axiom and Liquid can attend, but I understand that flying across the ocean costs a lot of money.
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Bisutopia19299 Posts
No point in a tournament if Team Liquid is there. Just hand them prize money. Only time a TL player loses is during team kills.
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Really looking forward to it, mouz will not fail at the mapscore again!
Having only 2 teams at the offline finals is a bit sad, but I guess it gives the attending teams a larger travel compensation compared to season 2.
And I doubt iG and Empire will participate again, but we will see.
And TaKe, please ask teamowners beforehand
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On March 11 2014 02:32 NovaMB wrote:
Really looking forward to it, mouz will not fail at the mapscore again!
Having only 2 teams at the offline finals is a bit sad, but I guess it gives the attending teams a larger travel compensation compared to season 2.
And I doubt iG and Empire will participate again, but we will see.
And TaKe, please ask teamowners beforehand
I'm 99% confident that iG will at least try to participate.
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Nice, Take is the best <3
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I just checked the Taketv homepage. There is only written, that the teams qualified for the league. Similar to the post here on TL. Where is written, that all the teams will participate?
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United States23455 Posts
On March 11 2014 02:27 DinoMight wrote:
Why are there no big team leagues like ProLeague in EU and AM. Is it a demand thing? Or is nobody willing to organzie it?
I honestly love the format and the games it produces. Also it encourages teams to have a deep roster and gives experience to all the players they might not otherwise get.
People would have to move their whole rosters to a location for many months to participate. All the PL teams have houses in driving distance to the venue. It just isn't really financially feasible to set one up although I'm sure a foreign PL if done right would be awesome
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Would be pretty cool if ATC and WCS works together in schedule.
WCS EU shows every Tuesday and Thursday, ATC every Monday and Wednesday. WCS KR and NA dont have problem due to time-zone.
On March 11 2014 02:38 Lappen.464 wrote:
I just checked the Taketv homepage. There is only written, that the teams qualified for the league. Similar to the post here on TL. Where is written, that all the teams will participate?
eight teams are qualified by last season and apparently noone of them decline the next season, sounds like they all want to participate.
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On March 11 2014 02:39 Dingodile wrote:Would be pretty cool if ATC and WCS works together in schedule. WCS EU shows every Tuesday and Thursday, ATC every Monday and Wednesday. WCS KR and NA dont have problem due to time-zone. Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 02:38 Lappen.464 wrote:
I just checked the Taketv homepage. There is only written, that the teams qualified for the league. Similar to the post here on TL. Where is written, that all the teams will participate? eight teams are qualified by last season and apparently noone of them decline for the next season, sounds like they all want to participate.
That sounds like a really good idea. Would love to see that!
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On March 11 2014 02:35 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 02:32 NovaMB wrote:
Really looking forward to it, mouz will not fail at the mapscore again!
Having only 2 teams at the offline finals is a bit sad, but I guess it gives the attending teams a larger travel compensation compared to season 2.
And I doubt iG and Empire will participate again, but we will see.
And TaKe, please ask teamowners beforehand I'm 99% confident that iG will at least try to participate.
Thats really cool then, I just doubt we would see them again because of lag and timezone issues.
I really like watching Jimcredible play, so I hope that I'm wrong
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Nice !
I hope there will be less standing/bonus players in the teams though.
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A bit sad that its only 2 teams at the offline finals but I guess that way you only have to split the travel budget by 2, so its easier financially.
assuming the budget stays the same.
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Personally, I don't mind mercs, as long as they're from teams that are just not capable of playing ATC for whatever reason. You do have the team partnership argument, but if WW had been "official partners" with YFW in the last season, do you really think they would've sent out any Taiwanese players during the season? It really would just be a question of semantics. (Hell, Axiom had a "team partnership" for the SC2L with Team Grubby. I love both Axiom & Grubby to death, this is just an example of how weak the partnership argument is. That's a merc, no way around it.)
The rule I'm not crazy about (I wouldn't BM the league or anything if it was still there, I just am not a fan of it) is the revive rule. The main argument that people make against the the all-kill format, which I generally prefer to Proleague format, is that it become too dependent on single individual star players. Well, it certainly doesn't help if Millenium gets to use ForGG twice in every match.
Also, head-to-head should be the tiebreaker after mapscore, not most map wins. That rule kinda screwed Mouz last season, and I believe Take said he wanted to undo it.
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On March 11 2014 03:09 TuKa wrote:
why no eg ?
They didnt qualify in season 1, didnt bother to qualify in season 2.
All teams are invited due to their placement in season 2
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On March 11 2014 03:09 TuKa wrote:
why no eg ?
Because they didnt played in the last seasons. I i guess that they wont even try it this time again.
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On March 11 2014 02:30 BisuDagger wrote:
No point in a tournament if Team Liquid is there. Just hand them prize money. Only time a TL player loses is during team kills.
Did you miss the last ATC where Acer and Axiom separately slapped down TL? But it wouldn't surprise me if team Taeja/Hero/mustache guy does their thing.
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On March 11 2014 02:30 BisuDagger wrote:
No point in a tournament if Team Liquid is there. Just hand them prize money. Only time a TL player loses is during team kills.
Can't hear you over the sound of Impact all-killing them
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Yeah, ATC Season 3.
I never thought (before Season 1) that the ATC grow up so sick.
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On March 11 2014 03:21 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 02:30 BisuDagger wrote:
No point in a tournament if Team Liquid is there. Just hand them prize money. Only time a TL player loses is during team kills. Did you miss the last ATC where Acer and Axiom separately slapped down TL? But it wouldn't surprise me if team Taeja/Hero/mustache guy does their thing.
HerO wasn't there and Taeja had wrist issues or something. Liquid Faith for this season!
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TL will be an interesting force with Taeja, Hero, and now an in-form TLO, Snute, and Bunny backing them up.
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On March 11 2014 03:40 DamageControL wrote:
TL will be an interesting force with Taeja, Hero, and now an in-form TLO, Snute, and Bunny backing them up.
And MaNa. A MaNa in form is quite good.
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add 2v2 and let someone make funky maps with bridges and lava for it.
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The only change I would like to see is the league using proleague format, bo5 (better for most teams) or 7 (better to me )
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On March 11 2014 02:29 Plansix wrote:
I how tha Axiom and Liquid can attend, but I understand that flying across the ocean costs a lot of money.
Liquid maybe, Axiom 100% no. Don't ask why, you should know.
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your Country52797 Posts
On March 11 2014 03:40 DamageControL wrote:
TL will be an interesting force with Taeja
They always were!
Interested to see how mousesports does this time around.
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On March 11 2014 03:39 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 03:21 Ansinjunger wrote:On March 11 2014 02:30 BisuDagger wrote:
No point in a tournament if Team Liquid is there. Just hand them prize money. Only time a TL player loses is during team kills. Did you miss the last ATC where Acer and Axiom separately slapped down TL? But it wouldn't surprise me if team Taeja/Hero/mustache guy does their thing. HerO wasn't there and Taeja had wrist issues or something. Liquid Faith for this season!
They ate bad food, were jetlagged, JYP touched them, had latency issues, IEM's computers are terrible, the observers were lagging etc. 
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I LOVE ATC
It's like a mini-proleague in the non-korean scene.. Won't say foreigner, but a non-Korean scene.. It's very well organized, has good games, good game insight, good commentary, and yet - has the very high competition in it as well
I'd however say my point of view (a bit)
--> Having mercs is not bad.. The problem is that once mercs get into this, they can play a lot of games, and a lot of deciders.. So a little bit more restriction in terms of how mercs could be used aren't bad IMO, or at least far better than removing the merc possibility completely.. Speaking of which - perhaps even legit 24hr team member that haven't been on the team for like 2 months at least should be considered as a merc too.. In a way.. ofc. - considering that there would be quite a few ATCs per year and not just one.. or two..
Like - IMO that's how it was SUPPOSED TO be.. But really aware that the truth is far from that point and the odds of a team surviving long enough to have enough roster members and/or variety is relatively slim.. Especially in a team-league where most (if not all, correct me if I'm wrong) the matches are in fact a bo9.. But yah - like - at least have 4 of your own players and get one merc, should be able to do it.. Ofc - still think that mercs shouldn't be revived for the ace matches unless being unused before though
Looking forward for the event though regardless.. Always a lot of fun watching these
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On March 11 2014 03:55 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 02:29 Plansix wrote:
I how tha Axiom and Liquid can attend, but I understand that flying across the ocean costs a lot of money. Liquid maybe, Axiom 100% no. Don't ask why, you should know.
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TB complained that flying costs were around 15k for only August 2012 (complete Axiom roster to DH and ATC2)
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On March 11 2014 03:55 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 02:29 Plansix wrote:
I how tha Axiom and Liquid can attend, but I understand that flying across the ocean costs a lot of money. Liquid maybe, Axiom 100% no. Don't ask why, you should know.
Huh? What are you on about?
Ok so here's how much it cost us for ATC Season 2. About $7000 to fly 5 players to Krefield and back, plus food money plus one extra hotel room. ATC generously compensated $3500 for travel costs, leaving us with a $3500 expense. Since we don't take players prizemoney, at that point it becomes a case of trying to give our players opportunities and our sponsors the necessary exposure. The ATC Season 2 finals didn't get particularly high viewers, but our players won a good amount of money from it and played well, so I was happy with the result.
For ATC 3 we're gonna have to look at our travel budget. Flight costs can vary wildly and it's hard to book well in advance unless we stomp the early stages of the league so hard that we can't be dislodged from a play-off spot. There's a reason why there aren't many international teamleagues with live finals, it costs far too much to fly a team across the planet. That's why the loss of GSTL is such a huge blow.
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first of: Fucking awesome, ATC is my favorite team cup in SCII (even with Proleague being sooo good nowadays), so can't wait for it to begin! Also really cool that the mercenary rule is out (is the revive rule also out?)
but it saddens me so much that only 2 teams goes to the offline event stupid fucking travel expensives, why can't airline just give sc2 players a sponsored free ride!
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On March 11 2014 03:55 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 02:29 Plansix wrote:
I how tha Axiom and Liquid can attend, but I understand that flying across the ocean costs a lot of money. Liquid maybe, Axiom 100% no. Don't ask why, you should know.
My bad, should have said "hope" not "how"...
Fuck you auto correct.
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On March 11 2014 04:23 SmoKim wrote:first of: Fucking awesome, ATC is my favorite team cup in SCII (even with Proleague being sooo good nowadays), so can't wait for it to begin! Also really cool that the mercenary rule is out (is the revive rule also out?) but it saddens me so much that only 2 teams goes to the offline event stupid fucking travel expensives, why can't airline just give sc2 players a sponsored free ride!
The way I see team events working in future is the way SC2L did it. Do everything offline except the finals and get the players to another live event and do the finals there. It's more efficient, the players get more exposure, can play in the other tournament too, you can share the costs, everyone wins.
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After actually reading the announcement, I think TaKe should try to get someone to proof-read his stuff.
Its kinda funny and sad that you can instantly tell it was written by a German.
Pretty excited to see the teams in the qualifiers, hoping for teams like YoeFW, or maybe Clan Who? from the Shoutcraft thing
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On March 11 2014 04:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:23 SmoKim wrote:first of: Fucking awesome, ATC is my favorite team cup in SCII (even with Proleague being sooo good nowadays), so can't wait for it to begin! Also really cool that the mercenary rule is out (is the revive rule also out?) but it saddens me so much that only 2 teams goes to the offline event stupid fucking travel expensives, why can't airline just give sc2 players a sponsored free ride! The way I see team events working in future is the way SC2L did it. Do everything offline except the finals and get the players to another live event and do the finals there. It's more efficient, the players get more exposure, can play in the other tournament too, you can share the costs, everyone wins.
That must be really hard on some of the players though. Wasn't it a long day of open/group play followed by team league in to the small hours? I mean it just becomes so much. But yeah it's pretty efficient.
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On March 11 2014 04:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:23 SmoKim wrote:first of: Fucking awesome, ATC is my favorite team cup in SCII (even with Proleague being sooo good nowadays), so can't wait for it to begin! Also really cool that the mercenary rule is out (is the revive rule also out?) but it saddens me so much that only 2 teams goes to the offline event stupid fucking travel expensives, why can't airline just give sc2 players a sponsored free ride! The way I see team events working in future is the way SC2L did it. Do everything offline except the finals and get the players to another live event and do the finals there. It's more efficient, the players get more exposure, can play in the other tournament too, you can share the costs, everyone wins.
Yeah, that's a really good concept, liked it very much for SC2L. So maybe this ATC final can be played at the next HSC?
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Why are Empire and Invictus invited, instead of having to re-qualify? Last season, it was said that the bottom two teams would drop out and have to re-qualify.
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On March 11 2014 04:45 Pontius Pirate wrote:
Why are Empire and Invictus invited, instead of having to re-qualify? Last season, it was said that the bottom two teams would drop out and have to re-qualify.
Because Western Wolves and Quantic Gaming have disbanded. Empire and Invictus are the replacement of those disbanded teams.
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They should speak to teams about rules. Like players should not play with a barcode, they have to play matches with a strict schedule.
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On March 11 2014 04:50 Aeromi wrote:
They should speak to teams about rules. Like players should not play with a barcode, they have to play matches with a strict schedule.
Oh man, I remember Millenium vs complexity last season. BabyKnight and Dayshi were just not there, complexity only had qxc, TheStC and MajOr and then MajOr didn't show up, coL had two forfeit two maps and revived TheStC finished against Maddelisk and Adelscott. And thus Millenium gave away their play-off chances
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On March 11 2014 04:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:23 SmoKim wrote:first of: Fucking awesome, ATC is my favorite team cup in SCII (even with Proleague being sooo good nowadays), so can't wait for it to begin! Also really cool that the mercenary rule is out (is the revive rule also out?) but it saddens me so much that only 2 teams goes to the offline event stupid fucking travel expensives, why can't airline just give sc2 players a sponsored free ride! The way I see team events working in future is the way SC2L did it. Do everything offline except the finals and get the players to another live event and do the finals there. It's more efficient, the players get more exposure, can play in the other tournament too, you can share the costs, everyone wins.
So what you suggest is that tournaments starts to cooperate more? I like that idea (in general)
I'm not gonna lie, i wasn't hyped for SC2L at all, BUT the fact that they had the finals at Dreamhack was simply brilliant. DH is gonna be in X weekend no matter what, so either there would be schedule conflicts or they worked together and Bam!: DH and a Team league finals.
If ESL/IEM, Dreamhack, NASL, (Redbull?) (MLG?) and so on would either A) make their own team league or B) work together with ATC, ClanWars, (or SC2L if it came back) to have their live portions combined. Maybe even let the qualified teams players attend/invited to participate in the 1v1 tournament.
Altough alot of problems might show up (I.e: sponsor conflicts maybe), hopefully stuff like this will happen more.
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On March 11 2014 04:36 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 04:23 SmoKim wrote:first of: Fucking awesome, ATC is my favorite team cup in SCII (even with Proleague being sooo good nowadays), so can't wait for it to begin! Also really cool that the mercenary rule is out (is the revive rule also out?) but it saddens me so much that only 2 teams goes to the offline event stupid fucking travel expensives, why can't airline just give sc2 players a sponsored free ride! The way I see team events working in future is the way SC2L did it. Do everything offline except the finals and get the players to another live event and do the finals there. It's more efficient, the players get more exposure, can play in the other tournament too, you can share the costs, everyone wins. Yeah, that's a really good concept, liked it very much for SC2L. So maybe this ATC final can be played at the next HSC?
I doubt that would be possible, ATC and HSC are sponsored by rivaling brands, and I dont think that either sponsor would be happy with shared screentime. And I doubt TaKe would replace the entire branding in the flat during the day.
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On March 11 2014 04:55 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:50 Aeromi wrote:
They should speak to teams about rules. Like players should not play with a barcode, they have to play matches with a strict schedule. Oh man, I remember Millenium vs complexity last season. BabyKnight and Dayshi were just not there, complexity only had qxc, TheStC and MajOr and then MajOr didn't show up, coL had two forfeit two maps and revived TheStC finished against Maddelisk and Adelscott. And thus Millenium gave away their play-off chances
Worst team match in 2013. ^^
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On March 11 2014 05:02 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:55 Serinox wrote:On March 11 2014 04:50 Aeromi wrote:
They should speak to teams about rules. Like players should not play with a barcode, they have to play matches with a strict schedule. Oh man, I remember Millenium vs complexity last season. BabyKnight and Dayshi were just not there, complexity only had qxc, TheStC and MajOr and then MajOr didn't show up, coL had two forfeit two maps and revived TheStC finished against Maddelisk and Adelscott. And thus Millenium gave away their play-off chances Worst team match in 2013. ^^
TL vs. Quantic worst match
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On March 11 2014 04:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 04:23 SmoKim wrote:first of: Fucking awesome, ATC is my favorite team cup in SCII (even with Proleague being sooo good nowadays), so can't wait for it to begin! Also really cool that the mercenary rule is out (is the revive rule also out?) but it saddens me so much that only 2 teams goes to the offline event stupid fucking travel expensives, why can't airline just give sc2 players a sponsored free ride! The way I see team events working in future is the way SC2L did it. Do everything offline except the finals and get the players to another live event and do the finals there. It's more efficient, the players get more exposure, can play in the other tournament too, you can share the costs, everyone wins. That must be really hard on some of the players though. Wasn't it a long day of open/group play followed by team league in to the small hours? I mean it just becomes so much. But yeah it's pretty efficient.
Haha yes I think the SC2L finals started at 1:00 and ended at 3:30 or something like that.
On March 11 2014 05:03 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 05:02 Aeromi wrote:On March 11 2014 04:55 Serinox wrote:On March 11 2014 04:50 Aeromi wrote:
They should speak to teams about rules. Like players should not play with a barcode, they have to play matches with a strict schedule. Oh man, I remember Millenium vs complexity last season. BabyKnight and Dayshi were just not there, complexity only had qxc, TheStC and MajOr and then MajOr didn't show up, coL had two forfeit two maps and revived TheStC finished against Maddelisk and Adelscott. And thus Millenium gave away their play-off chances Worst team match in 2013. ^^ TL vs. Quantic worst match
Man, we LOST against Quantic with two kills from Gamja...
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On March 11 2014 05:03 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 05:02 Aeromi wrote:On March 11 2014 04:55 Serinox wrote:On March 11 2014 04:50 Aeromi wrote:
They should speak to teams about rules. Like players should not play with a barcode, they have to play matches with a strict schedule. Oh man, I remember Millenium vs complexity last season. BabyKnight and Dayshi were just not there, complexity only had qxc, TheStC and MajOr and then MajOr didn't show up, coL had two forfeit two maps and revived TheStC finished against Maddelisk and Adelscott. And thus Millenium gave away their play-off chances Worst team match in 2013. ^^ TL vs. Quantic worst match
That TaeJa rampage was atleast a good story, as TaeJa had to all-kill for TL to keep play-off chances. Mill vs coL was low in games quality, almost every player of both teams were missing and the only story was that Mill threw their chance away. I'd say the second was worse
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On March 11 2014 05:08 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 05:03 NovaMB wrote:On March 11 2014 05:02 Aeromi wrote:On March 11 2014 04:55 Serinox wrote:On March 11 2014 04:50 Aeromi wrote:
They should speak to teams about rules. Like players should not play with a barcode, they have to play matches with a strict schedule. Oh man, I remember Millenium vs complexity last season. BabyKnight and Dayshi were just not there, complexity only had qxc, TheStC and MajOr and then MajOr didn't show up, coL had two forfeit two maps and revived TheStC finished against Maddelisk and Adelscott. And thus Millenium gave away their play-off chances Worst team match in 2013. ^^ TL vs. Quantic worst match That TaeJa rampage was atleast a good story, as TaeJa had to all-kill for TL to keep play-off chances. Mill vs coL was low in games quality, almost every player of both teams were missing and the only story was that Mill threw their chance away. I'd say the second was worse
I was having fun during Mill vs. coL, quite the opposite during TaeJa vs. Quantic.
After looking at the results again, Invictus was really close, they lost 4-5 a mere 3 times ( vs. TL, mouz and Quantic). Oh and they didnt play 2 of their matches for some reason
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On March 11 2014 05:17 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 05:08 Serinox wrote:On March 11 2014 05:03 NovaMB wrote:On March 11 2014 05:02 Aeromi wrote:On March 11 2014 04:55 Serinox wrote:On March 11 2014 04:50 Aeromi wrote:
They should speak to teams about rules. Like players should not play with a barcode, they have to play matches with a strict schedule. Oh man, I remember Millenium vs complexity last season. BabyKnight and Dayshi were just not there, complexity only had qxc, TheStC and MajOr and then MajOr didn't show up, coL had two forfeit two maps and revived TheStC finished against Maddelisk and Adelscott. And thus Millenium gave away their play-off chances Worst team match in 2013. ^^ TL vs. Quantic worst match That TaeJa rampage was atleast a good story, as TaeJa had to all-kill for TL to keep play-off chances. Mill vs coL was low in games quality, almost every player of both teams were missing and the only story was that Mill threw their chance away. I'd say the second was worse I was having fun during Mill vs. coL, quite the opposite during TaeJa vs. Quantic. After looking at the results again, Invictus was really close, they lost 4-5 a mere 3 times ( vs. TL, mouz and Quantic). Oh and they didnt play 2 of their matches for some reason
I was crying behind my scrren during Mill vs coL. Please, stop.
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On March 11 2014 05:19 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 05:17 NovaMB wrote:On March 11 2014 05:08 Serinox wrote:On March 11 2014 05:03 NovaMB wrote:On March 11 2014 05:02 Aeromi wrote:On March 11 2014 04:55 Serinox wrote:On March 11 2014 04:50 Aeromi wrote:
They should speak to teams about rules. Like players should not play with a barcode, they have to play matches with a strict schedule. Oh man, I remember Millenium vs complexity last season. BabyKnight and Dayshi were just not there, complexity only had qxc, TheStC and MajOr and then MajOr didn't show up, coL had two forfeit two maps and revived TheStC finished against Maddelisk and Adelscott. And thus Millenium gave away their play-off chances Worst team match in 2013. ^^ TL vs. Quantic worst match That TaeJa rampage was atleast a good story, as TaeJa had to all-kill for TL to keep play-off chances. Mill vs coL was low in games quality, almost every player of both teams were missing and the only story was that Mill threw their chance away. I'd say the second was worse I was having fun during Mill vs. coL, quite the opposite during TaeJa vs. Quantic. After looking at the results again, Invictus was really close, they lost 4-5 a mere 3 times ( vs. TL, mouz and Quantic). Oh and they didnt play 2 of their matches for some reason I was crying behind my scrren during Mill vs coL. Pleas, stop.
Quite the same during TaeJa vs. Hyun & Friends
Looking forward to fighting all Mill fans during Mill vs. mouz again.
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On March 11 2014 05:19 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 05:17 NovaMB wrote:On March 11 2014 05:08 Serinox wrote:On March 11 2014 05:03 NovaMB wrote:On March 11 2014 05:02 Aeromi wrote:On March 11 2014 04:55 Serinox wrote:On March 11 2014 04:50 Aeromi wrote:
They should speak to teams about rules. Like players should not play with a barcode, they have to play matches with a strict schedule. Oh man, I remember Millenium vs complexity last season. BabyKnight and Dayshi were just not there, complexity only had qxc, TheStC and MajOr and then MajOr didn't show up, coL had two forfeit two maps and revived TheStC finished against Maddelisk and Adelscott. And thus Millenium gave away their play-off chances Worst team match in 2013. ^^ TL vs. Quantic worst match That TaeJa rampage was atleast a good story, as TaeJa had to all-kill for TL to keep play-off chances. Mill vs coL was low in games quality, almost every player of both teams were missing and the only story was that Mill threw their chance away. I'd say the second was worse I was having fun during Mill vs. coL, quite the opposite during TaeJa vs. Quantic. After looking at the results again, Invictus was really close, they lost 4-5 a mere 3 times ( vs. TL, mouz and Quantic). Oh and they didnt play 2 of their matches for some reason I was crying behind my scrren during Mill vs coL. Pleas, stop.
Me too. Had we not lost stupidly those two matches (Quantic and coL) and we'd have been at 5-3 with only Invictus to play to confirm our playoffs spot. Things went so bad but I guess we deserved that for taking Axiom's spot in season 1 playoffs. Or simply for having players who don't show up.
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Nice, I always enjoy team-leagues. Having to strategise which player to send against whom on which map makes the whole thing more interesting.
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Empire \o/
we need more players tho!
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Cool stuff, I fondly recall the season 2 finals. Watching MMA dominate everything and everyone while Scarlett was playing some online cup on the side was pretty funny. Some rather good games from that final too.
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On March 11 2014 01:18 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 01:16 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2014 00:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On March 11 2014 00:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 00:41 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2014 00:36 GreenMash wrote:On March 11 2014 00:35 nkr wrote:bit disappointing seeing mYi not getting an invite despite them being the current ESL champions beating acer and mousesports they should go through the qualis tho ^_^; This is based of the last season of ATC. Myi never played ATC before They played, and lost, in the qualifiers last season actually. Got destroyed by Check. Fixed that for you On a separate note I'd love to see the merc rule removed this time around. I don't honestly think that mercs have any place in team leagues, especially all-kill which are so susceptible to star-player stompings. It doesn't reward having a deep wellrounded roster, it rewards picking up the strongest ringer you can find. Imho, you either do a full partnership with another team or you play alone, you don't just cherry-pick a really strong player. We saw what happened to WW when they couldn't bring San, they got wrecked in the finals. I agree and we purposely never picked up a merc despite often being short on players last season. So you deny hiring Pirate- and Mustacheterran? Both of those guys are on the payroll.
Hahaha :-)
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Excellent, love this tourney.
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On March 11 2014 02:30 BisuDagger wrote:
No point in a tournament if Team Liquid is there. Just hand them prize money. Only time a TL player loses is during team kills.
Haha
Liquid has been to the playoffs twice, and they've been all killed 3 times.
Acer is clearly the team to beat, not Liquid.
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On March 11 2014 02:30 BisuDagger wrote:
No point in a tournament if Team Liquid is there. Just hand them prize money. Only time a TL player loses is during team kills.
Just gonna leave this here
http://instagram.com/p/h6PItcMTL5/
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I hope Empire cancels (due to lack of players) and is replaced by mYi, then EG and ROOT qualify.
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Well EG has even less active players than Empire.
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On March 11 2014 09:05 Squat wrote:
Well EG has even less active players than Empire.
Doesnt Empire have 2 players? Kas and Happy. They were partnered with Ence last season giving them elfi, Jagelius, and Serral and then they used BratOK as their joker.
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On March 11 2014 07:49 klipik12 wrote:
I hope Empire cancels (due to lack of players) and is replaced by mYi, then EG and ROOT qualify.
I bet that if a team cancels, one more spot would be open for the qualifiers.
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If Breaker casts this in English, TaKe is pretty dumb..
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I really hope the map pool updates as the tournament progresses. The last two times we were left with maps that weren't used in ladder or tournaments, those games were extremely boring and rudimentary.
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On March 11 2014 01:43 SinCitta wrote:The owners/managers of the three most influential teams of the ATC are speaking out here against the merc rule. Surely there must be a more direct way for feedback? And while you are at it, maybe H2H should be more important than map wins (map diff > H2H > map wins)
I really think it should be a tiebreaker match if equal map diff (for smth important like playoff participation) -_-
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On March 11 2014 13:39 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 01:43 SinCitta wrote:The owners/managers of the three most influential teams of the ATC are speaking out here against the merc rule. Surely there must be a more direct way for feedback? And while you are at it, maybe H2H should be more important than map wins (map diff > H2H > map wins) I really think it should be a tiebreaker match if equal map diff (for smth important like playoff participation) -_-
Exactly. Or mb even score > H2H > tiebreaker match (it's a team league, so win's-a-win, no matter what the map diff)
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On March 11 2014 09:13 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 09:05 Squat wrote:
Well EG has even less active players than Empire. Doesnt Empire have 2 players? Kas and Happy. They were partnered with Ence last season giving them elfi, Jagelius, and Serral and then they used BratOK as their joker.
Exactly, which would give them one more than EG.
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On March 11 2014 15:04 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 09:13 Shellshock wrote:On March 11 2014 09:05 Squat wrote:
Well EG has even less active players than Empire. Doesnt Empire have 2 players? Kas and Happy. They were partnered with Ence last season giving them elfi, Jagelius, and Serral and then they used BratOK as their joker. Exactly, which would give them one more than EG.
I know Jaedong just lost in the Ro32 but he's still active. They can't all be Ro16ers like HuK
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On March 11 2014 13:39 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 01:43 SinCitta wrote:The owners/managers of the three most influential teams of the ATC are speaking out here against the merc rule. Surely there must be a more direct way for feedback? And while you are at it, maybe H2H should be more important than map wins (map diff > H2H > map wins) I really think it should be a tiebreaker match if equal map diff (for smth important like playoff participation) -_-
now there's a smart (and entertaining) idea!
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On March 11 2014 15:21 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 15:04 Squat wrote:On March 11 2014 09:13 Shellshock wrote:On March 11 2014 09:05 Squat wrote:
Well EG has even less active players than Empire. Doesnt Empire have 2 players? Kas and Happy. They were partnered with Ence last season giving them elfi, Jagelius, and Serral and then they used BratOK as their joker. Exactly, which would give them one more than EG. I know Jaedong just lost in the Ro32 but he's still active. They can't all be Ro16ers like HuK
Huk's still alive? I just assumed EG was JD + the staunch cadre of stay at home streaming heroes by now.
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On March 11 2014 16:02 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 15:21 Shellshock wrote:On March 11 2014 15:04 Squat wrote:On March 11 2014 09:13 Shellshock wrote:On March 11 2014 09:05 Squat wrote:
Well EG has even less active players than Empire. Doesnt Empire have 2 players? Kas and Happy. They were partnered with Ence last season giving them elfi, Jagelius, and Serral and then they used BratOK as their joker. Exactly, which would give them one more than EG. I know Jaedong just lost in the Ro32 but he's still active. They can't all be Ro16ers like HuK Huk's still alive? I just assumed EG was JD + the staunch cadre of stay at home streaming heroes by now.
He beat HerO and Xigua the other day to advance to the Ro16 of WCS AM
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I really like Empire, but see no point in inviting them and Invictus again. After their very poor performance last season (2-7 and 1-6 scores respectively) these two teams obviously need to go through qualifiers as the rest. And it would allow to have 4 qualifier spots instead of just two. We would then have the opportunity to see teams like EG, MYI, Root, Vega or Fnatic.
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About the rule on hiring mercenaries. I read a number of things earlier in the thread, with mostly negatives, and then Wax and a few others in defence of it. I am conflicted on that one myself.
How about tightening the merc rules without eliminating it?
-only one merc per team for the duration of the whole tournament and designated as such.
-the merc could not be an all-killer. if a merc wins against a regular opponent, he has to step out after his only win. If he wins against another merc, then he can do only one more game.
Would that remove too much of the interest in hiring mercenaries? Possibly, but I think some teams would still find it interesting, and maybe in some cases it would bring a strategy element on when to bring the merc in.
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How about a merc has to be teamless? Then "mercenary" actually makes sense. You could pick someone like TargA, but not allkill material like naniwa or hyun.
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On March 11 2014 04:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 03:55 digmouse wrote:On March 11 2014 02:29 Plansix wrote:
I how tha Axiom and Liquid can attend, but I understand that flying across the ocean costs a lot of money. Liquid maybe, Axiom 100% no. Don't ask why, you should know. Huh? What are you on about? Ok so here's how much it cost us for ATC Season 2. About $7000 to fly 5 players to Krefield and back, plus food money plus one extra hotel room. ATC generously compensated $3500 for travel costs, leaving us with a $3500 expense. Since we don't take players prizemoney, at that point it becomes a case of trying to give our players opportunities and our sponsors the necessary exposure. The ATC Season 2 finals didn't get particularly high viewers, but our players won a good amount of money from it and played well, so I was happy with the result. For ATC 3 we're gonna have to look at our travel budget. Flight costs can vary wildly and it's hard to book well in advance unless we stomp the early stages of the league so hard that we can't be dislodged from a play-off spot. There's a reason why there aren't many international teamleagues with live finals, it costs far too much to fly a team across the planet. That's why the loss of GSTL is such a huge blow.
Glad that you are considering.
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On March 11 2014 18:01 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 04:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 03:55 digmouse wrote:On March 11 2014 02:29 Plansix wrote:
I how tha Axiom and Liquid can attend, but I understand that flying across the ocean costs a lot of money. Liquid maybe, Axiom 100% no. Don't ask why, you should know. Huh? What are you on about? Ok so here's how much it cost us for ATC Season 2. About $7000 to fly 5 players to Krefield and back, plus food money plus one extra hotel room. ATC generously compensated $3500 for travel costs, leaving us with a $3500 expense. Since we don't take players prizemoney, at that point it becomes a case of trying to give our players opportunities and our sponsors the necessary exposure. The ATC Season 2 finals didn't get particularly high viewers, but our players won a good amount of money from it and played well, so I was happy with the result. For ATC 3 we're gonna have to look at our travel budget. Flight costs can vary wildly and it's hard to book well in advance unless we stomp the early stages of the league so hard that we can't be dislodged from a play-off spot. There's a reason why there aren't many international teamleagues with live finals, it costs far too much to fly a team across the planet. That's why the loss of GSTL is such a huge blow. Glad that you are considering.
Indeed! I really hope that all the larger (stronger) teams are all able to participate.
+ Show Spoiler [off_topic?] +I understand teams not taking player prize money. However, I wonder why teams don't negotiate with players so that if a player (or team) wins an event they would pay back at least some of the travel expenses (win-win no?) I suppose a lot would have to do with how the player salary structure is set up... Normally I'd say it's not something the fans should really concern themselves with, however it is troubling if teams (or players) aren't financially able to attend events.
edit: by no means am I questioning how any teams function (since I honestly know nothing that goes on behind the scenes).
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I love Take and the stuff he is doing for the scene. If only he could do it a little more professional :/
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On March 11 2014 16:46 Plasmid wrote:
-the merc could not be an all-killer. if a merc wins against a regular opponent, he has to step out after his only win. If he wins against another merc, then he can do only one more game.
To me a mercenary is someone who fills up a smaller team so that they can participate. A one map restriction would not be of much help. Maybe have him as the last playable guy, after all regulars have fallen? And I'm feeling the teamless only.
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On March 11 2014 18:44 Yello wrote:
I love Take and the stuff he is doing for the scene. If only he could do it a little more professional :/
Oh god please no. more professional = less entertaining. Known for decades and not only in esports.
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On March 11 2014 19:51 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 18:44 Yello wrote:
I love Take and the stuff he is doing for the scene. If only he could do it a little more professional :/ Oh god please no. more professional = less entertaining. Known for decades and not only in esports.
Not in terms of events and stuff, more about his announcements.
This announcement reads like google translate in some parts tbh. And he hasnt asked for confirmation from teams etc.
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On March 11 2014 19:49 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 16:46 Plasmid wrote:
-the merc could not be an all-killer. if a merc wins against a regular opponent, he has to step out after his only win. If he wins against another merc, then he can do only one more game. To me a mercenary is someone who fills up a smaller team so that they can participate. A one map restriction would not be of much help. Maybe have him as the last playable guy, after all regulars have fallen? And I'm feeling the teamless only.
I think I'd rather just not see a smaller team participate. I'm okay with smaller teams joining forces (but they should have a singular name for competing). I get the idea of a merc being allowed on a smaller team, but that isn't really fair to other teams.
If the 'pre-existing team' structure is not used then what's to stop 5 top players on otherwise weaker teams (personal sponsorship) from just creating their own all-star sniper team? (Polt, Bomber, Revival, Elfi, Patience etc - maybe not the best example.) Now, I'd love to watch that "team" compete, but it kills the idea of it actually being a competition for teams.
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According to readmore there is neither a merc rule nor an ace rule. Not sure if it is correct, though. It just cites the official announcement and the TL thread as sources (/links).
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You know, I kinda miss the 18 gameday season from Season 1
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sooo nice, love that format!!
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On March 11 2014 17:17 nkr wrote:
How about a merc has to be teamless? Then "mercenary" actually makes sense. You could pick someone like TargA, but not allkill material like naniwa or hyun.
There are a lot of really strong teamless guys out there, MC, KangHo, SuNo, Symbol, Oz, aLive are just a few examples. I doubt, that that would change to much in terms of possible mercanary quality.
Any, the announcement itself is awesome and I hope this time mouz does´nt get eliminated for having higher win percentadge than Liquid and a H2H win over them.
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On March 11 2014 22:25 NovaMB wrote:
You know, I kinda miss the 18 gameday season from Season 1
Well two major problems hit the long season 1 : the disband of K3 and the Axiom's schedule issue. The longer the season is, the higher the risk of problems is there.
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I just noticed that without the mercanry rule Complexity is really unimpressive. STC gone, viPro gone, if they now lose MajOr as their ace, they would only have QXC, Hendralisk, KoMa, Drunkenboi, DeathEnD, Midday and Moosegrills left. No offense to those guys, but every other team in the league has at least 3 players, who would be favored to all-kill this lineup (except Empire, they only have 2).
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Mouz making it to the top4 would be awesome
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On March 11 2014 18:27 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 18:01 digmouse wrote:On March 11 2014 04:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 11 2014 03:55 digmouse wrote:On March 11 2014 02:29 Plansix wrote:
I how tha Axiom and Liquid can attend, but I understand that flying across the ocean costs a lot of money. Liquid maybe, Axiom 100% no. Don't ask why, you should know. Huh? What are you on about? Ok so here's how much it cost us for ATC Season 2. About $7000 to fly 5 players to Krefield and back, plus food money plus one extra hotel room. ATC generously compensated $3500 for travel costs, leaving us with a $3500 expense. Since we don't take players prizemoney, at that point it becomes a case of trying to give our players opportunities and our sponsors the necessary exposure. The ATC Season 2 finals didn't get particularly high viewers, but our players won a good amount of money from it and played well, so I was happy with the result. For ATC 3 we're gonna have to look at our travel budget. Flight costs can vary wildly and it's hard to book well in advance unless we stomp the early stages of the league so hard that we can't be dislodged from a play-off spot. There's a reason why there aren't many international teamleagues with live finals, it costs far too much to fly a team across the planet. That's why the loss of GSTL is such a huge blow. Glad that you are considering. Indeed! I really hope that all the larger (stronger) teams are all able to participate. + Show Spoiler [off_topic?] +I understand teams not taking player prize money. However, I wonder why teams don't negotiate with players so that if a player (or team) wins an event they would pay back at least some of the travel expenses (win-win no?) I suppose a lot would have to do with how the player salary structure is set up... Normally I'd say it's not something the fans should really concern themselves with, however it is troubling if teams (or players) aren't financially able to attend events.
edit: by no means am I questioning how any teams function (since I honestly know nothing that goes on behind the scenes).
Taking money away from players if they win risks them putting in less effort.
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On March 12 2014 04:00 SmoKim wrote:
Mouz making it to the top4 would be awesome
They always fell 1 map short or something, I'm sure this time Dear will close it out and they'll do it!
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On March 11 2014 17:17 nkr wrote:
How about a merc has to be teamless? Then "mercenary" actually makes sense. You could pick someone like TargA, but not allkill material like naniwa or hyun.
teamless? so you could have Polt as your merc, do you think thats fair?
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On March 12 2014 06:06 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 17:17 nkr wrote:
How about a merc has to be teamless? Then "mercenary" actually makes sense. You could pick someone like TargA, but not allkill material like naniwa or hyun. teamless? so you could have Polt as your merc, do you think thats fair?
Polt is on CMStorm with Revival....
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On March 12 2014 06:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 06:06 mikumegurine wrote:On March 11 2014 17:17 nkr wrote:
How about a merc has to be teamless? Then "mercenary" actually makes sense. You could pick someone like TargA, but not allkill material like naniwa or hyun. teamless? so you could have Polt as your merc, do you think thats fair? Polt is on CMStorm with Revival....
Thats a personal sponsor not a team.
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On March 12 2014 06:24 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 06:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:On March 12 2014 06:06 mikumegurine wrote:On March 11 2014 17:17 nkr wrote:
How about a merc has to be teamless? Then "mercenary" actually makes sense. You could pick someone like TargA, but not allkill material like naniwa or hyun. teamless? so you could have Polt as your merc, do you think thats fair? Polt is on CMStorm with Revival.... Thats a personal sponsor not a team.
Do we know that yet though?
It is with great excitement that we announce our recent acquisition of Kim “Revival” Dong Hyun in the StarCraft II division of CM Storm.
[..]
It is the beginning of a new year and a new team for Revival, and we look forward to seeing his capabilities in the coming year.
from here :S
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Poll: What would be cooler?Fantasy Team League (13) 100% Guessing Scores (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: What would be cooler? (Vote): Fantasy Team League
(Vote): Guessing Scores
No promises yet - but what would make the league a little bit more enjoyable for you? I'd like to hear details. Some cool ideas how you would score results, player performances etc.
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On March 13 2014 21:50 SinCitta wrote:Poll: What would be cooler?Fantasy Team League (13) 100% Guessing Scores (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: What would be cooler? (Vote): Fantasy Team League
(Vote): Guessing Scores
No promises yet - but what would make the league a little bit more enjoyable for you? I'd like to hear details. Some cool ideas how you would score results, player performances etc.
I am going to watch it anyway but something like FPL for atc would be great ^^
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Meh, the ace revive rule is back.
and the tiebreaker is the same as before
Record -> map score -> map wins -> map losses -> h2h
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On March 13 2014 23:16 NovaMB wrote:
Meh, the ace revive rule is back.
and the tiebreaker is the same as before
Record -> map score -> map wins -> map losses -> h2h
Indeed, please change this TaKe T_T
3.1 Table
The table is sorted due to the following order:
1. Total series(whole clanwar) wins
2. Better differential in maps
3. More wins overall in maps
4. Less losses overall in maps
5. Direct comparison between the teams and their series played in the order above (Total series(whole clanwar) wins -> Better differential in maps -> More wins overall in maps -> Less losses overall in maps).
If there are more then 2 teams tied we create a table that only contains their series. The order is like above (Total series(whole clanwar) wins -> Better differential in maps -> More wins overall in maps -> Less losses overall in maps)
I don't mind the revive rule as long as the mercenary rule is gone. It's the combo that is annoying. The revive rule allows smaller teams to compete.
A bit disappointing too that the qualifiers gather only 8 teams vs 16 the previous season.
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Playoff Dates are announced! Already next week!
Wednesday, 9th July - 12:00 CEST (19:00 KST) - Team Acer vs Axiom
Wednesday, 9th July - 15:00 CEST (22:00 KST) - Team Liquid Pro vs Mousesports
Wednesday, 9th July - 18:00 CEST (01:00 KST) - Losers match
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Thursday, 10th July - 14:00 CEST (21:00 KST) - Winners match
Thursday, 10th July - 17:00 CEST (00:00 KST) - Losers final
Sunday, 27th July at 4 pm CEST - Grand Final
http://taketv.net/news/acer-teamstory-cup-powered-by-in-09-06-14-5844
Looks like nobody stumbled upon those news here and im too lazy to make a new post, since somebody official probably wants to make a fancy official post sooner or later.
Interesting side note: Mousesports is allowed to nominate two new players to fulfill their lineup before the playoffs start.
Drama in 1... 2... 3...
go!
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According to rules mouz still needs one/two players.
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On July 05 2014 23:43 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Playoff Dates are announced! Already next week! Wednesday, 9th July - 12:00 CEST (19:00 KST) - Team Acer vs Axiom Wednesday, 9th July - 15:00 CEST (22:00 KST) - Team Liquid Pro vs Mousesports Wednesday, 9th July - 18:00 CEST (01:00 KST) - Losers match ----------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, 10th July - 14:00 CEST (21:00 KST) - Winners match Thursday, 10th July - 17:00 CEST (00:00 KST) - Losers final Sunday, 27th July at 4 pm CEST - Grand Final http://taketv.net/news/acer-teamstory-cup-powered-by-in-09-06-14-5844Looks like nobody stumbled upon those news here and im too lazy to make a new post, since somebody official probably wants to make a fancy official post sooner or later. Interesting side note: Mousesports is allowed to nominate two new players to fulfill their lineup before the playoffs start.
Drama in 1... 2... 3... go!
I thought there was a "no mercenaries" rule?
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On July 06 2014 00:37 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 23:43 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Playoff Dates are announced! Already next week! Wednesday, 9th July - 12:00 CEST (19:00 KST) - Team Acer vs Axiom Wednesday, 9th July - 15:00 CEST (22:00 KST) - Team Liquid Pro vs Mousesports Wednesday, 9th July - 18:00 CEST (01:00 KST) - Losers match ----------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, 10th July - 14:00 CEST (21:00 KST) - Winners match Thursday, 10th July - 17:00 CEST (00:00 KST) - Losers final Sunday, 27th July at 4 pm CEST - Grand Final http://taketv.net/news/acer-teamstory-cup-powered-by-in-09-06-14-5844Looks like nobody stumbled upon those news here and im too lazy to make a new post, since somebody official probably wants to make a fancy official post sooner or later. Interesting side note: Mousesports is allowed to nominate two new players to fulfill their lineup before the playoffs start.
Drama in 1... 2... 3... go! I thought there was a "no mercenaries" rule?
I took that to mean mouz has until the finals to sign two new players and those two are allowed to compete. If that were the case there's no problems here in my opinion, as long as those players don't get bounced from mouz after the final
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I thought there was a "no mercenaries" rule?
Seems like those rules don't matter a lot, if we would have qualified for the playoffs we were told that we couldn't use Sacsri in it T.t
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I assume "nominate" means that there has to be approval, in which you'd figure the other teams are involved.
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initial rules were that you need to wait some playdays before you can use newly signed players.
but this rule doesnt seem to apply anymore for the playoffs because otherwise they would have to disqualify mouz for not having enough players to compete. or let them play with too few players and just give them def losses when they run out of players.
Also its not specified if mouz has to give their new players a contract and make them part of mouz (for more than those few matches) or if they'll just be "mercenaries." It sounds like they are allowed to nominate anybody.
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