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On February 08 2014 23:55 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 22:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 08 2014 22:03 ACrow wrote:
Taeja has won the most tournaments and has had consistently the highest performance if you consider the whole year (as opposed to Dear who rose only later in 2013, Innovation who had a big dip after hellbat nerf etc).
So there is definitely a strong reason to pick Taeja as best player of the year, even though I personally would have gone with one of the GSL winners too, just because I value that title so highly. I don't see any TL bias here, don't be unfair guys just because your favorite maybe was deserving as well! 3 of them were not really stacked though, i mean i love HSC, but cmon let's be real now^^ And looking at the Asus path of taeja, this wasn't really hard either... Winning isn't everything, else some zotac cup (or whatever weekly tournament) winners would be player of the year now  because zotac cups and premier tournamnets are totally comparable at the higher stages, both asus and HSC get just as hard as tournaments that are mroe stacked, so winning them still accounts a lot. and both dreamhack titles were 2 of the most stacked events of the year, easily comparable to WCS Korea in terms of skill. and only soulkey and dear won 2 tournaments of that caliber besides taeja, minus his extras.
eh i'd say a fair amount of taeja's premiers were among the weaker premiers of 2013
On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him. But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A.
only one season, because he had to requalify from code B, and that was WoL, how is that half a year?
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LOL at Taeja Player of The year.
i know taeja is from Team Liquid but come one really ?
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I'm glad you changed the drama one, that was pretty awful.
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Really don't think Taeja was the player of the year tbh.
This list made me realize how last year wasn't as exciting as past years. None of the events really stuck out to me as being remember-able.
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Glad you changed the drama one as well. However if you left the last paragraph, I would have been completely fine. It's too true. Not enough people responded to Hyun's situation despite our community's ability to raise money in donations for him. That thread has only 31 pages of discussion for crying out loud, while stupid ass e-sports drama like Destiny, Stephano, and old old Jessica Twitter stuff generated pages into the hundreds.
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On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him. But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A. If you ask me who was the best T in the second semester of 2013, I'd go with Maru: top 4 after top 4 finish in the hardest region (Korea) + Blizzcon + OSL victory, of course. If you ask me who is the best T right now, I'd say Maru too. But people, don't forget we are reviewing A WHOLE YEAR. And if Maru was irrelevant for half of it, then it would be hard to put him as the best player of the year when other players were strong all the year, wouldn't it? (And have in mind I hate maru because he denied Rain second OSL  )
Don't worry I'm a Rain fanboy too that was disappointing to watch. Taeja was irrelevant for half the year though remember? Ok he got top 4 in the last WoL GSL that no one really looks at because it was so bad with all the ZvZ and Hots was on the horizon, then he ran off to a weaker region after mediocre performance in season 1 and did ok at season 2 before doing well. They both got going about the same time, but winning the hardest region and placing consistently top 4 in every tournament he played in means I give him a higher peak. Only the two Dreamhacks were impressive victories for Taeja, and they only occurred because he gets to travel thanks to Liquid. It's a lot easier to win 5 tournies when you participate in as many as Taeja does than it would be for Maru who gets maybe 5 chances.
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Am I the only one to find absurd to not even see Life mentioned here? He won 3 premier tournaments in 2013
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On February 09 2014 07:30 ppp wrote:
Am I the only one to find absurd to not even see Life mentioned here? He won 3 premier tournaments in 2013
I AM NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH
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On February 09 2014 06:12 lopido wrote:
LOL at Taeja Player of The year.
i know taeja is from Team Liquid but come one really ?
idk I can see it. It boils down to:
Bogus
Soulkey
Taeja
I can agree with any of those 3. Each one was strong nearly all year. Bogus and Soulkey have consistency in the hardest region and championships. Taeja has consistency in winning foreign events, which is its own beast. Sure the gsl/osl should be valued more, but given Taeja's case of being profoundly good at them this year I think he deserves the same respect. At the least, DH Bucharest and Winter were filled with top-tier competition. Also, in pure skill I don't think anyone should be doubting Taeja in the slightest even though he's not in Korea anymore. He's always been a top 5 Terran and still proved himself in the gsl earlier in the year.
On February 09 2014 06:50 SHOOG wrote:
Really don't think Taeja was the player of the year tbh.
This list made me realize how last year wasn't as exciting as past years. None of the events really stuck out to me as being remember-able.
Really? HotS has been better for sure as far as gameplay goes, but I think in tournaments and story 2012 was a much better year. 2013 didn't have IPL (big loss), decreased MLG support, no NASL, the growing pains of WCS, more volatility at the top level of play, and was just overall very negative with a shitload of retirements and disbanding teams. If it weren't for all the great games, I'd of said I hated this year.
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On February 09 2014 07:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 06:12 lopido wrote:
LOL at Taeja Player of The year.
i know taeja is from Team Liquid but come one really ? idk I can see it. It boils down to: Bogus Soulkey Taeja I can agree with any of those 3. Each one was strong nearly all year. Bogus and Soulkey have consistency in the hardest region and championships. Taeja has consistency in winning foreign events, which is its own beast. Sure the gsl/osl should be valued more, but given Taeja's case of being profoundly good at them this year I think he deserves the same respect. At the least, DH Bucharest and Winter were filled with top-tier competition. Also, in pure skill I don't think anyone should be doubting Taeja in the slightest even though he's not in Korea anymore. He's always been a top 5 Terran and still proved himself in the gsl earlier in the year.
I don't think Innovation deserves it because of how hard he fell off after the hellbat nerfs. Taeja and Soulkey are the only possible choices, but if you give it to Taeja you get criticized because he didn't do well in WCS, and if you give it to Soulkey you get criticized because he only won one tournament, and he barely even won it.
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On February 09 2014 04:33 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me. Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me As if that would be the same... I think he has a valid point Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway. Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has. List of Strongest Foreigners of all time: Terran: Thorzain Jinro Protoss: Naniwa Huk Mana Zerg: Stephano Sen Scarlett Idra This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind. You are right that it is subjective, I would not count Jinro myself as after 2010/early 2011 he was pretty weaksauce, and I would like to add nerchio to the zerg list. Also correct me if im wrong but I think that outside of Thorzain the last foreigner terran who a big tournament was Naama in 2010?
Notice how the list is in their primes. In Jinro's prime he was an incredibly strong player and deserved to be on the list. As for the last foreign terran tournament win I couldn't say probably was that long ago as that was before koreans went to every tournament.
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asus rog neither hsc must be called "premier" tournaments.
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On February 09 2014 06:02 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him. But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A. only one season, because he had to requalify from code B, and that was WoL, how is that half a year?
I looked at liquipedia/results and for some reason it shows his Challenger league result above Code S o.O
My mistake then. Let's say he wasn't very relevant during the first half of the year (code A, Ro32 Code S).
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On February 09 2014 07:56 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 07:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 09 2014 06:12 lopido wrote:
LOL at Taeja Player of The year.
i know taeja is from Team Liquid but come one really ? idk I can see it. It boils down to: Bogus Soulkey Taeja I can agree with any of those 3. Each one was strong nearly all year. Bogus and Soulkey have consistency in the hardest region and championships. Taeja has consistency in winning foreign events, which is its own beast. Sure the gsl/osl should be valued more, but given Taeja's case of being profoundly good at them this year I think he deserves the same respect. At the least, DH Bucharest and Winter were filled with top-tier competition. Also, in pure skill I don't think anyone should be doubting Taeja in the slightest even though he's not in Korea anymore. He's always been a top 5 Terran and still proved himself in the gsl earlier in the year. I don't think Innovation deserves it because of how hard he fell off after the hellbat nerfs. Taeja and Soulkey are the only possible choices, but if you give it to Taeja you get criticized because he didn't do well in WCS, and if you give it to Soulkey you get criticized because he only won one tournament, and he barely even won it.
I don't think he fell off, he made deep runs in several tournaments post-hellbat nerf and was almost invincible in the GSTL. He was doing well late-WoL prior to it too.
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On February 09 2014 09:44 Storm-Giant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 06:02 opterown wrote:On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him. But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A. only one season, because he had to requalify from code B, and that was WoL, how is that half a year? I looked at liquipedia/results and for some reason it shows his Challenger league result above Code S o.O My mistake then. Let's say he wasn't very relevant during the first half of the year (code A, Ro32 Code S).
his RO32 code S was 1-2 twice to the eventual champion, he could have easily gone on otherwise ;p
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Lol at day9s face after the bitch comment
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WCS Korea Season 1 was pretty good, but the Finals were god awful.
Innovation raping Soulkey's mediocre play for 3 games, then playing like a total garbage player for 4 games in a row to let a decent Soulkey win in a reverse sweep.
That finals alone is enough to exempt that tournament from being the best of Korea.
Aside from that, I think MajOr could have been a notable mention for being foreign Terran, but I agree that nobody should have won straight up.
Pretty entertaining write up.
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Wow, speak for yourself about Scarlett being a "patchzerg" - author(s) showing some bias there. And wow what a bunch of Naniwa Nutriders...steaming pile of opinionated shit there guys - nice work.
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Nice awards guys, was nice to read 
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