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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 08 2014 18:16 GMT
#241
On February 09 2014 02:59 Zealously wrote:
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On February 09 2014 02:59 GumBa wrote:
Inno best terran and player for me 4ever!


Aren't you forgetting the one and only BBYONGJWA?

He will only become the BBYONGJWA when he wins code S as only terran
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 08 2014 18:28 GMT
#242
On February 09 2014 02:47 Storm-Giant wrote:
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He also won the triple Crown of team-leagues winning PL, GSTL and ATC

And being not only the best of his team in all three Team-leagues, but also the #2, #1 and #1 in OVERALL performance.

Some people just weight more the NUMBER of tournaments won than the QUALITY of the tournaments a player participated, the overall performance and so on.

Also, for those who say TaeJa was the last Terran in the WoL GSL: Bogus was just behind him. Both of them made into Quarterfinals and just one map of difference between them (Bogus 2-3 vs Symbol, finalist of that GSL, while TaeJa 3-2 Soulkey and then 1-4 to RorO, the eventual champion). And in many tournaments both Inno and TaeJa participated and their results weren't that different: top 16 vs 3rd in MLG Winter, 1st vs 2nd on DH Bucharest, 1st vs 4th on DH winter.

Oh, and WCS circuit gives INnovation a big edge over TaeJa too. But I guess it's easier to say "5 gold medals, better than Mvp'11!" -.-

Part of the reason may have been that Taeja was 14-7 in maps and 7-2 in matches vs Innovation in the past year.
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Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
February 08 2014 18:33 GMT
#243
On February 09 2014 02:47 Storm-Giant wrote:
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He also won the triple Crown of team-leagues winning PL, GSTL and ATC

And being not only the best of his team in all three Team-leagues, but also the #2, #1 and #1 in OVERALL performance.

Some people just weight more the NUMBER of tournaments won than the QUALITY of the tournaments a player participated, the overall performance and so on.

Also, for those who say TaeJa was the last Terran in the WoL GSL: Bogus was just behind him. Both of them made into Quarterfinals and just one map of difference between them (Bogus 2-3 vs Symbol, finalist of that GSL, while TaeJa 3-2 Soulkey and then 1-4 to RorO, the eventual champion). And in many tournaments both Inno and TaeJa participated and their results weren't that different: top 16 vs 3rd in MLG Winter, 1st vs 2nd on DH Bucharest, 1st vs 4th on DH winter.

Oh, and WCS circuit gives INnovation a big edge over TaeJa too. But I guess it's easier to say "5 gold medals, better than Mvp'11!" -.-


Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
February 08 2014 18:33 GMT
#244
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
February 08 2014 18:35 GMT
#245
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 08 2014 18:46 GMT
#246
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
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On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.
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Storm-Giant
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain416 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 18:59:48
February 08 2014 18:59 GMT
#247
On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.

But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A.

If you ask me who was the best T in the second semester of 2013, I'd go with Maru: top 4 after top 4 finish in the hardest region (Korea) + Blizzcon + OSL victory, of course.

If you ask me who is the best T right now, I'd say Maru too.

But people, don't forget we are reviewing A WHOLE YEAR. And if Maru was irrelevant for half of it, then it would be hard to put him as the best player of the year when other players were strong all the year, wouldn't it?

(And have in mind I hate maru because he denied Rain second OSL )
<3 Rain
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 08 2014 19:11 GMT
#248
On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.

But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A.

If you ask me who was the best T in the second semester of 2013, I'd go with Maru: top 4 after top 4 finish in the hardest region (Korea) + Blizzcon + OSL victory, of course.

If you ask me who is the best T right now, I'd say Maru too.

But people, don't forget we are reviewing A WHOLE YEAR. And if Maru was irrelevant for half of it, then it would be hard to put him as the best player of the year when other players were strong all the year, wouldn't it?

(And have in mind I hate maru because he denied Rain second OSL )

Taeja was irrelevant for the first half
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Storm-Giant
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain416 Posts
February 08 2014 19:18 GMT
#249
On February 09 2014 04:11 GumBa wrote:
Taeja was irrelevant for the first half

Top 4 GSL S1, Top 4 DH Summer, 1st HSC VIII...that's not irrelevant, imo.
<3 Rain
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 19:34:06
February 08 2014 19:33 GMT
#250
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.


You are right that it is subjective, I would not count Jinro myself as after 2010/early 2011 he was pretty weaksauce, and I would like to add nerchio to the zerg list. Also correct me if im wrong but I think that outside of Thorzain the last foreigner terran who a big tournament was Naama in 2010?
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
February 08 2014 19:34 GMT
#251
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.


Pretty good list, I'd put Sen, Snute, and Mana in an "almost there" category.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
February 08 2014 19:34 GMT
#252
Disagree hard with Taeja as player of the year, otherwise fun to read.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
February 08 2014 20:21 GMT
#253
Dunno really about TaeJa winning those 2 awards but other than that it's looking really good imo. RIP STX.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 08 2014 20:24 GMT
#254
STX Soul <3 <3 <3
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 08 2014 20:26 GMT
#255
On February 09 2014 04:34 sparklyresidue wrote:
Disagree hard with Taeja as player of the year, otherwise fun to read.


Yeah me too . I can't consider someone as the "Second best player of all - time after MVP" if he hasn't won the qualifier (GSL) or the WCG itself.
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
February 08 2014 20:36 GMT
#256
Soulkey was phenomenal all year long, but I agree with TaeJa's place on top. 5 Premier wins, and the highest rating ever achieved on Aligulac and TLPD is nothing to scoff at.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
February 08 2014 20:37 GMT
#257
Naniwa!!! :D
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 20:42:59
February 08 2014 20:38 GMT
#258
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.

needs more Nerchio
On February 09 2014 04:34 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.


Pretty good list, I'd put Sen, Snute, and Mana in an "almost there" category.

If you pull Mana, you definitely need to pull IdrA and probably some others as well.
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
February 08 2014 20:40 GMT
#259
I feel like Jaedong is the Korean of the Year.
ppp
Profile Joined March 2013
174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 20:58:11
February 08 2014 20:49 GMT
#260
Seems legit but event of the year is Iron Squid2 imo
Also Life is not even mentioned. (1st IS2, MLG and IEM, 2nd DH winter...)
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