EPTOn February 09 2014 02:59 Zealously wrote:
Aren't you forgetting the one and only BBYONGJWA?
Aren't you forgetting the one and only BBYONGJWA?
He will only become the BBYONGJWA when he wins code S as only terran
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
He will only become the BBYONGJWA when he wins code S as only terran | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 09 2014 02:47 Storm-Giant wrote: And being not only the best of his team in all three Team-leagues, but also the #2, #1 and #1 in OVERALL performance. Some people just weight more the NUMBER of tournaments won than the QUALITY of the tournaments a player participated, the overall performance and so on. Also, for those who say TaeJa was the last Terran in the WoL GSL: Bogus was just behind him. Both of them made into Quarterfinals and just one map of difference between them (Bogus 2-3 vs Symbol, finalist of that GSL, while TaeJa 3-2 Soulkey and then 1-4 to RorO, the eventual champion). And in many tournaments both Inno and TaeJa participated and their results weren't that different: top 16 vs 3rd in MLG Winter, 1st vs 2nd on DH Bucharest, 1st vs 4th on DH winter. Oh, and WCS circuit gives INnovation a big edge over TaeJa too. But I guess it's easier to say "5 gold medals, better than Mvp'11!" -.- Part of the reason may have been that Taeja was 14-7 in maps and 7-2 in matches vs Innovation in the past year. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On February 09 2014 02:47 Storm-Giant wrote: And being not only the best of his team in all three Team-leagues, but also the #2, #1 and #1 in OVERALL performance. Some people just weight more the NUMBER of tournaments won than the QUALITY of the tournaments a player participated, the overall performance and so on. Also, for those who say TaeJa was the last Terran in the WoL GSL: Bogus was just behind him. Both of them made into Quarterfinals and just one map of difference between them (Bogus 2-3 vs Symbol, finalist of that GSL, while TaeJa 3-2 Soulkey and then 1-4 to RorO, the eventual champion). And in many tournaments both Inno and TaeJa participated and their results weren't that different: top 16 vs 3rd in MLG Winter, 1st vs 2nd on DH Bucharest, 1st vs 4th on DH winter. Oh, and WCS circuit gives INnovation a big edge over TaeJa too. But I guess it's easier to say "5 gold medals, better than Mvp'11!" -.- Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: As if that would be the same... I think he has a valid point Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway. | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote: Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway. Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote: Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has. List of Strongest Foreigners of all time: Terran: Thorzain Jinro Protoss: Naniwa Huk Mana Zerg: Stephano Sen Scarlett Idra This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind. | ||
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Storm-Giant
Spain416 Posts
On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote: Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him. But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A. If you ask me who was the best T in the second semester of 2013, I'd go with Maru: top 4 after top 4 finish in the hardest region (Korea) + Blizzcon + OSL victory, of course. If you ask me who is the best T right now, I'd say Maru too. But people, don't forget we are reviewing A WHOLE YEAR. And if Maru was irrelevant for half of it, then it would be hard to put him as the best player of the year when other players were strong all the year, wouldn't it? (And have in mind I hate maru because he denied Rain second OSL  ) | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote: But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A. If you ask me who was the best T in the second semester of 2013, I'd go with Maru: top 4 after top 4 finish in the hardest region (Korea) + Blizzcon + OSL victory, of course. If you ask me who is the best T right now, I'd say Maru too. But people, don't forget we are reviewing A WHOLE YEAR. And if Maru was irrelevant for half of it, then it would be hard to put him as the best player of the year when other players were strong all the year, wouldn't it? (And have in mind I hate maru because he denied Rain second OSL )Taeja was irrelevant for the first half | ||
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Storm-Giant
Spain416 Posts
On February 09 2014 04:11 GumBa wrote: Taeja was irrelevant for the first half Top 4 GSL S1, Top 4 DH Summer, 1st HSC VIII...that's not irrelevant, imo. | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote: List of Strongest Foreigners of all time: Terran: Thorzain Jinro Protoss: Naniwa Huk Mana Zerg: Stephano Sen Scarlett Idra This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind. You are right that it is subjective, I would not count Jinro myself as after 2010/early 2011 he was pretty weaksauce, and I would like to add nerchio to the zerg list. Also correct me if im wrong but I think that outside of Thorzain the last foreigner terran who a big tournament was Naama in 2010? | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote: List of Strongest Foreigners of all time: Terran: Thorzain Jinro Protoss: Naniwa Huk Mana Zerg: Stephano Sen Scarlett Idra This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind. Pretty good list, I'd put Sen, Snute, and Mana in an "almost there" category. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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TR
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On February 09 2014 04:34 sparklyresidue wrote: Disagree hard with Taeja as player of the year, otherwise fun to read. Yeah me too . I can't consider someone as the "Second best player of all - time after MVP" if he hasn't won the qualifier (GSL) or the WCG itself. | ||
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LockeTazeline
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote: List of Strongest Foreigners of all time: Terran: Thorzain Jinro Protoss: Naniwa Huk Mana Zerg: Stephano Sen Scarlett Idra This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind. needs more Nerchio On February 09 2014 04:34 Cheren wrote: Pretty good list, I'd put Sen, Snute, and Mana in an "almost there" category. If you pull Mana, you definitely need to pull IdrA and probably some others as well. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
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ppp
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Also Life is not even mentioned. (1st IS2, MLG and IEM, 2nd DH winter...) | ||
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