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Skidmeyer
United States10 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:37 argonautdice wrote: as well as the 14 other players who will quit full time because they get 0$. You guys do realize how ridiculous you sound right? | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On January 28 2014 11:59 TheSir wrote: its a nice stunt and change but keep it at just one time. they tried this in poker as well and after a few times most people didnt even bother anymore and the attention will go away. you have to put in a lot of work and time (practice, travel etc) and ending up with nothing is only something the top players can afford. so the richer will get richer and its not something SC2 really needs right now imo. but cool idea to do it once. Alot of professional athletes, financially successful or not, do charity tours or charity events where they still try to compete to their best to show the audience good games because they realize it is also a part of self-promotion and promoting a cause or spirit of sportsmanship. Are you saying that SC2 professionals are exempt from competing at their hardest because they might not make money? | ||
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
The players who need the money the most will never even make it to a tournament like this in the first place. Increased viewership in general is important for the people at the top and the bottom if you want companies to come in and sponsor teams/players. On January 28 2014 08:38 Shinta) wrote: It is remotely possible. More so than that to be quite frank. IEM hasn't taken a backseat to DreamHack, they operate very differently. IEM could have run an extra tournament just like this, with a $40k prize pool or something much less than a ridiculous 100k of non-circulated money, and gotten better players through invites, and had extra exposure and viewership without fucking 15 players over. Also, getting a lot of the players that bring viewers in and make you money, angry, could lead to them picking other tournaments going on at the same time or around the same time, or when they need a break, to participate in and, and picking IEM to skip becomes a lot better of an idea. Also, everyone knows that IEM hosting 1 huge winner takes all tournament isn't the end of the world. They are just angry at how IEM is exclaiming to the world that they don't care of right or wrong, and who gets fucked over. They made clear that this tournament isn't for the benefit of eSports or SC2 players. IEM has taken a backseat to dreamhack. It gets FAR less viewers and i'm sure they would like to get more. When they've been on at the same time dreamhack has absolutely dominated IEM. Sure they could have made some crappy little side tournament with no hype but that defeats the whole purpose of this. Look at all the attention this is getting, that was their goal and it worked like a charm. This event will get far more viewers than it would have otherwise. You're making an assumption that this will make the players angry, particularly the ones entering the tournament. I'm sure players will be turning down the free flights and accomdation and potential prize money when IEM runs its next tournament because of this. Your last point is the one i'm most annoyed with that is being posted constantly. Since when is it IEM's responsibility to grow esports or more in particular SC2? They're a business, they're trying to make money just like essentially every other company involved in esports despite what some think. If they're not making money they will drop out of the scene and that would be terrible. So if this helps them stick around it's only a good thing. IEM has ton a shitload for the SC2 scene. Even whilst it has been shrinking and everyone has been calling it a dead game (including this forum) they've stuck around and continued holding awesome tournaments. They do good things for the players too like spreading the prize pool out and giving free accommodation and flights (in some cases). They also show a ton of content which they probably make little money on. Few companies out there have done as much as they have for SC2. But now that they decide they want to hold this tournament that will have tons of hype and make them some money they're the bad guys? They're paying for the players flights and accommodations for this tournament and have $100,000 on offer as the prize pool. Seems pretty cool to me. Let's not forget that they're still holding their other tournaments which aren't winner take all. I don't care about their intentions either. They may have made this decision with entirely selfish reasons but that doesn't mean it doesn't help the scene. You know what helps grow SC2? Tournaments with huge amounts of viewership. If this thing packs out a stadium with 11,000 people and has 100-150K watching on the stream you think that isn't good for SC2 and esports in general? In general i'm annoyed because the vast majority of people bagging them out have done nothing for the scene or community other than watch a few streams and post on a forum. Here is a company that has done a shitload for the scene and continues to be one of the biggest supporters of the game and they're being bagged out because they're actually trying to make some money. | ||
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
Not growing esport? IEM generates extreme hype with this, which is far more important than 15 players getting way I little cash. Not to mention all the great things IEm has done pointed out in previous posts. | ||
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NoMicroWin
United States688 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2881 Posts
It's a bit like winning the lottery: no one on the face of the Earth needs to win 60 million dollars. 60 people winning one million each makes a lot more sense and everyone's lives are still dramatically changed. But, of course, like this IEM, there's less shock value and eyeball appeal. Ergo retardation. | ||
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Mifoi123
Canada42 Posts
Do I ask the OP to do it? How does it work? | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
one of the best players at the tournament, play your heart out, get to the finals, and make absolutely 0. yeah, the idea is to favor the BEST. not one of the best. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 28 2014 12:02 Caihead wrote: Alot of professional athletes, financially successful or not, do charity tours or charity events where they still try to compete to their best to show the audience good games because they realize it is also a part of self-promotion and promoting a cause or spirit of sportsmanship. Are you saying that SC2 professionals are exempt from competing at their hardest because they might not make money? Nobody competes at their best at charity tours or events. In fact...I can't think of a single one where the athletes didn't goof off a little. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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SpaceChick
173 Posts
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
On January 28 2014 12:02 Caihead wrote: Alot of professional athletes, financially successful or not, do charity tours or charity events where they still try to compete to their best to show the audience good games because they realize it is also a part of self-promotion and promoting a cause or spirit of sportsmanship. Are you saying that SC2 professionals are exempt from competing at their hardest because they might not make money? ya man.. right on .. excellent point man. ya look at teh NHL, NBA all stars games. and the NFL Pro Bowl. the players go all out doing everything they can to win in these exhibition friendlies that pay them no money. NO, they don't go all out. In fact, many of them have clauses in their contracts against engaging in "risky physical activities". example, Paul Quantrill. | ||
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sotaporo
Finland195 Posts
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Ardias
Russian Federation610 Posts
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Jindo
United States1305 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
It's bad. | ||
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DiuLaSing
Hong Kong225 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
In the olden days, people played with the objective of winning and being the best. Money was just an added incentive. It used to be called competitive gaming, not esports. This tournament embodies that mindset. | ||
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