EPT1/24 Balance test map - Page 22
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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aCtiv
Romania4 Posts
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On January 24 2014 07:28 Cascade wrote: Yes, if they want to make the roach --> hydra transition easier in ZvZ, then maybe better to lower the 400 gas of infrastructure you need to get them going (den + ups), rather than lower the hydra cost? Now you just make them more powerful once you get them, but still a high starting cost. Yeah but you can use this cost for transition faster to ultra/viper/brood/Sh/infest so it's less risky to go hydra but they won't be op cause they're still expensive and sensitive to aoe. 25 gaz hydra is so cheap you don't care you lose them to aoe cause it's easy to reprod them. And for zvz balance it just kill muta play (even baneling seem bad vs hydra cause one baneling is only 50min cheaper than one hydra but die when attack) | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
Is it just to deter Zergs from playing turtle swarm host style in ZvP? | ||
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9214 Posts
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PesteNoire
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Pretty much the only suggested balance change that is on the money is the ghost buff. Everything else is wrong. | ||
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
and http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU3NTA4ODk2.html I wait this buff/ | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On January 24 2014 07:31 Existor wrote: I really love hydralisk change. it may change ZvZ completely, because instead roach/muta wars we will have hydra-festor wars or something more cool and different. Also, you should check this video  + Show Spoiler + the funny thing is, that protoss could´ve won that easily if he didn´t act completely retarded in the basetrade. | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
The PO nerf is mostly meaningless I'd imagine. It'll make a difference, sure, but not a very large one I should think. The time Warp nerf is cool, but not because of blink stalkers. It's for those fucking annoying zealot/stalker/MSC pushes protoss like to open with. The MSC shows up and it's got a time warp. Now it won't! That's pretty awesome. Won't change nothing about Blink Stalkers though. The hydra buff could be very troublesome. Roach/hydra is kept out of the metagame for two reasons, tanks and mass marauder medivac (both with marines obviously). But if hydras are much easier to mass then the mass marauder/medivac strategy might be off the table and if all I've got is marine tank then I'm a bit fucked when vipers come out. Could be very troublesome. Doesn't seem like this change will make it though considering the backlash. Tempests. Meh, don't care. Don't care much for turtling tvp anyways. The patch makes TvP more favourable for me and I suppose I cannot hate it but it doesn't address the two things terrans don't like, blink stalker openings and the oppressive impact of the MSC on strategic variety. Oh and those fucking oracles too jesus christ. | ||
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dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
MSC meh. In my mind's eye I'd like to see the energy cost for the spells changed so that you can cast one PO and one Time Warp but NOT two POs. Something like 125 for PO and 75 for Time Warp. This will ofc affect PvP timings, but I think the PvP meta can cope with this. Hydra change WTF are you high? Tempest change... honestly I don't know how this will play out. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
The Hydralisk buff proposal is beyond-retarded and is another example of David Kim fixing things that aren't broken. On the one hand, Hydralisks do suck a ridiculous degree in ZvZ (They need a Roach or Ultralisk meatshield to even do enough DPS to be viable) and ZvT (because bio rapes Roach Hydra Infestor) but on the other hand reducing the gas cost is going to lead to some ridiculous 12 minute 200/200 Hydralisk timings in ZvP. And if you thought the "Stephano Build" was ridiculous, wait til you see a player maxed out on Hydras knocking on your door at a crucial timing before you can get the right number of Colossi and Templar out. A buff to Tempests? Tempests more than serve their purpose. The last thing we need are Tempest cheeses in TvP and PvP capable of demolishing entire bases whilst abusing terrain because that's what will happen if we allow this change to happen. The problem with breaking a Swarm Host contain is actually the 50 or so Corruptors out in the sky capable of instagibbing your entire air force combined with Vipers which can just YOINK your entire air force. And what happened to that Siege Tank buff? Did Reality vs Hydra basically change David Kim's mind even though Hydra could have realtistically won with multi pronged Roach drops in the midgame? That realistically seems more like a problem with the Raven than anything... Then again, what did I expect from a balance designer who thought it was a good idea to buff Queen attack range from 3 to 5 when all Zergs had to do to hold Hellion aggression was just make some fucking units and micro? That change broke Wings. Yup, I'm sticking with Starbow. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On January 24 2014 08:10 dyDrawer wrote: Ghost a good change. Ghost change could help address the crazily powerful Templar based composition that Protoss is utilizing right now. MSC meh. In my mind's eye I'd like to see the energy cost for the spells changed so that you can cast one PO and one Time Warp but NOT two POs. Something like 125 for PO and 75 for Time Warp. This will ofc affect PvP timings, but I think the PvP meta can cope with this. Hydra change WTF are you high? Tempest change... honestly I don't know how this will play out. Most expand builds in PvP are already extremely tight: the matchup is razor's edge for whether you can expand at all or never. Delaying PO will bring it back to only 1 base ever. | ||
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SpeedyBozar
England56 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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PlaySC2
Norway10 Posts
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On January 24 2014 08:14 SpeedyBozar wrote: This post only proves that David Kim doesn't understand this game whatsoever. Blizzard... Nothing else to say. David Kim is honestly like the Peter Molyneux of RTS games. Fable was criticized for its cliché story, actual game length and how little moral choices actually affected your ending. What was Molyneux's reaction? "We need to dumb-down the combat, add a dog companion that gets instagibbed by a bullet in a surprise twist ending, add a 'final boss' that does nothing then dies in one strike and end the game without any sort of closure (such as actually meeting your revived sister if you chose to do so.)" The SC2 metagame has currently been criticized for being Protoss favored with only 3 Terrans currently in Code S and none of the Terrans have currently won TvP series this season. You literally have to gamble on getting Missile Turrets because if you lack them, GG to unnecessarily buffed proxy Oracles. David Kim's reaction? "Let's buff Hydralisks and Tempests!" User was warned for this post | ||
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PlaySC2
Norway10 Posts
On January 24 2014 08:11 Whitewing wrote: Most expand builds in PvP are already extremely tight: the matchup is razor's edge for whether you can expand at all or never. Delaying PO will bring it back to only 1 base ever. Good, then you can stay on one base forever. You must be used to it by now, anyway, amiright? | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
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fakejack
New Zealand1 Post
At the start they are like woeoe les make terran ultra op and then oh shit too op butter nerf them to shit and make zerg ultra op, and then everyone's pissed off so half the players leave and then they are like bro we will balance shit out in HOTS with new units and go terran op mode again, and the remaining people are like wth blizzard are u high, so they nerf terran again and then they are like oh yea why dont we make protoss op so it balances the game out right? cuz terran and zerg both had the chances of being op, so they go ahead and nerf everything to the ground and now most of the people leave and they are wondering what the hell they did wrong. so they smoke some more shit and start giving out patches like this User was warned for this post | ||
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