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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On January 23 2014 18:07 Chaggi wrote: which has done absolutely nothing for the MU that people care about, TvP. Yay! Mech is becoming a thing. But, I was actually against the hellbat nerf. I liked PvT when terrans had the allmighty hellbats much more to be fair (even if they looked op sometimes  ). | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On January 23 2014 18:10 samurai80 wrote: Mech is becoming a thing. But, I was actually against the hellbat nerf. I liked PvT when terrans had the allmighty hellbats much more to be fair (even if they looked op sometimes ).Mech is never going to become a "thing" in TvP unless some massive changes happen. | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On January 23 2014 18:12 Chaggi wrote: Mech is never going to become a "thing" in TvP unless some massive changes happen. Well maybe, but this is also why I said hellbats shouldn't have been nerfed. Their harass was maybe a bit too much (especially annoying for TvT) but it prevents P deathball to be too efficient against a terran mech comp. Edit: (reformulated a bit, sorry) | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
I'm not sure a unnerfed hellbat would be the massive changes that need to happen. | ||
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My_Fake_Plastic_Luv
United States257 Posts
I would like to say that this comment is just conjecture, but look at the viewing numbers and number of retirements in SC... I mean I find playing SC2 boring and arduous... How can you have a game monitored by one(two) flawed opinions... Please fire these people........, And all you losers who think this game is all about balance and the GSL should reevaluate... Look at LoL and dota2... Right now Stardust_ has 100 viewers and someone playing dota2 (seriously a boring game, if not for the easy interaction w/ friends) called SingSong got 14000 viewers and some guy who is playing LOL (same exact game as dota2) called Saintvicious has 2400 viewers... are you kidding me?????????????? I'm watching them...ummmmm. snipe off minions.... ganging up on other heroes... Holy Sht.. SC2 is should be a real strategy game w/ real strategy but it is clearly not (champion consistency anyone...?) David Kim needs to be replaced! Justin Browder needs to be replaced! ...They clearly have no idea what their doing.... As of now 2 terrans have made the Korean GSL.... So making Terran a little better will fix the game right????... lol.lol.lol.lol.lol.o.lol..o.ollol Every week another pro quits (last week Zenio...this week who?) .... Can we get a chart of the number of games by everyone from HOTS release to the present day? And did you notice that their is only one 'large map' left in the play pool... Do GM and bronze need the same map pool....lolz Free to play arcade is just a plea! 2.1 has no fucking fixes. Let players host arcade games on their own accord w/o a countdown and w/ the ability to boot and chat. Let the chatrooms be bigger than counter of my PC screen, let me chat in a quick match before/after the game, let all social interactions happened...have you ever heard of social media? Facebook maybe, Twitter,,, they work cause people can type their opinions and others can easily read... Its really not about the game is it, it is about feeling like you belong....Davey. Justice? And its all for free in 2.1, 2.1, 2.1.... anyone see the desperation in that????????????????????????????????????????? Fire these assholes now. Let a players rebuild, rebalance starcraft2... Please fire David Kim... I hate LOL so much, FPS promote gun violence and are soooo repetitive, MMOs like WoW don't have enough strategy, competitiveness, vastness... their is something very compelling about controlling every aspect of a civilization at once, and honestly starbow is sc1 with better graphic... but if the game is flawed then why play it, why play a flawed game... Please comment on this... Please respond.... Yours Truly, sincerely, a dude who just wants to go onto SC2, have a profane philosophical debate on a full-screen chat, play a few games with players he can chat w/, meet, before playing, then trash talk after beating and/or losing, who doesn't want to have they custom games auto-start, who wants all the fucking stats and a fuck load more graphs post game, who never wants to ever see a player named llllllllllll (at least make them make up a nickname lol), who wants to see every awesome move that pros do in broadcasts, who wants the pros not to walk 200/200 armies around the map protecting 4 bases for 12 min every game, who still, still , believes SC2 could be an amazing game isn't of mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, too many have put too much time into this game, David Kim, for it to be mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, you sooooooo know it... this game ain't cutting edge or exciting, its fucking mediocre User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On January 23 2014 18:26 Chaggi wrote: I'm not sure a unnerfed hellbat would be the massive changes that need to happen. The thing is the m-u actually WAS better before the nerf, which led me to the conclusion that it should be unnerfed for TvP (and the fix was aimed at TvT). | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On January 23 2014 18:29 samurai80 wrote: The thing is the m-u actually WAS better before the nerf, which led me to the conclusion that it should be unnerfed for TvP (and the fix was aimed at TvT). I'm not sure it was simply just that. It was partially better cause Protoss was still struggling to defend stuff like boosted medivacs, and you had interesting compositions like marauder/hellbat that ForGG was known for. | ||
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EthanS
United States206 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 23 2014 18:36 EthanS wrote: But ZvT is close to balanced now - and the mech-air upgrades buff helped T there a lot. Un-nerfing hellbats would have big effects on TvZ. Same with rolling back some of the wm nerf. Any changes need to target TvP - so bonuses vs. shields, or nerfs on the MSC. Nerfs on the MSC doesn't hit other MU than TvP? Really? If you want to aim just for TvP you can't nerf P, since this hits 3 MU  | ||
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3D-Swifty
England69 Posts
To become GM as protos is simpler and easier than a gm of terran. So if we have a gm protos and a gm terran. they are not necessary the same skill just because of there rank or even because of their execution as its easier on different races. THIS IS A COP OUT STATISTICS MANIPULATED BY THE BALLANCE TEAM, TELL THEM TO GIVE US THE REAL STATISTICS FROM ALL LEAUGES REMOVING "PLAYERS SKILL" FROM THE EQUATION. User was warned for this post | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
Also, I still claim that the ONLY surprise PvT wins in GSL so far were Yonghwa>TY, Yonghwa>Flash and Zest>Inno. Everything else was either protoss player favoured (and the same protoss player would be favoured even 2-3 moths ago) or 50/50 matchup that went to protoss just because yes, there indeed IS advantage for protoss in that matchup, mostly because of map pool and because of metagame (example of that would be maybe Stats>Supernova or Panic>Cure). | ||
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SeXyBaCk
Switzerland174 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Second, I find it hilarious that there's another terran in Code S now, and he also didn't win a single set against a protoss to get there. | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On January 23 2014 19:14 Ammanas wrote: I would really like to know what would you do in order to balance things out without actually redesigning 1/3 of the game. Warp Gates are not gonna go away or are not gonna be changed at least until LotV if ever; same goes for FFs; suggested MSC change was stupid and all the pro players were saying it would not fix TvP while PvP would get worse; blink research time already was nerfed once in HotS beta... So I really wonder what would you do about protoss being able to do so much stuff without redesigning the race and half of its units. Also, I still claim that the ONLY surprise PvT wins in GSL so far were Yonghwa>TY, Yonghwa>Flash and Zest>Inno. Everything else was either protoss player favoured (and the same protoss player would be favoured even 2-3 moths ago) or 50/50 matchup that went to protoss just because yes, there indeed IS advantage for protoss in that matchup, mostly because of map pool and because of metagame (example of that would be maybe Stats>Supernova or Panic>Cure). You can't single out wins like that. If all the MU are 50-50 but somehow all protosses manage to win (no surprise win) we still have a problem. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 23 2014 19:28 imrusty269 wrote: You can't single out wins like that. If all the MU are 50-50 but somehow all protosses manage to win (no surprise win) we still have a problem. But the problem is the map pool IMO. And I hate this map pool and I am P player ;-) (Though I hate it because the free air space everywhere :D) | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 23 2014 19:28 imrusty269 wrote: You can't single out wins like that. If all the MU are 50-50 but somehow all protosses manage to win (no surprise win) we still have a problem. Well, both of my paragraphs were claiming there is a problem. What I am saying though, is that it is not balance problem per say, it is a combination of map pool, metagame and poor design choices. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3763 Posts
On January 10 2014 11:55 CutTheEnemy wrote: On EU, 24% of masters players are terran now compared with 35% and 38% for zerg and protoss. How can he say its balanced considering this? His appeal to win percentages within leagues is highly misleading. He's also been speaking for years as though he's ignorant of our main complaint- its isn't balance per se, its how hard and stressful it is to play terran and win. We know terrans can win once they go pro, but most of us aren't capable of sustaining the serious damage to our personal relationships, grades, hands and paychecks it takes in order to play the race competitively. How is Masters indicator of balance? | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
The difference in population of each race doesnt come close to justifying that there are only 24% terran in masters and even less in GM. Doesnt it seem more likely that there is a balance problem than that the terran population is just worse at the game than zerg/toss? | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On January 23 2014 18:36 EthanS wrote: But ZvT is close to balanced now - and the mech-air upgrades buff helped T there a lot. Un-nerfing hellbats would have big effects on TvZ. Same with rolling back some of the wm nerf. Any changes need to target TvP - so bonuses vs. shields, or nerfs on the MSC. Yes. It's not simple now. Which is why I said it shouldn't have been nerfed this way in the first place, things the nerf was supposed to fix should have been fixed by a different modification. | ||
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