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On January 09 2014 23:52 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 21:29 boxerfred wrote:On January 09 2014 14:52 Wingblade wrote:On January 09 2014 13:59 boxerfred wrote:America only? Sorry, won't tune it. As a EU resident, I am kind of used to watch through the night to catch korean or american tournaments, npnp. I love the game. But after that whole "we drop sc2" thing, I'm kind of pissed about MLG. I loved Axslavs and especially Axeltoss's effort on trying to put community streams etc. up after SC2 was dropped, but they were dropped too or parted ways whyever. And now, there comes a test with destiny as a caster? seriously? sorry, just my opinion, but that's not worth watching. that's more like a reason for not watching for me. So, on a more positive site of things: It is great that MLG covers starcraft again. But I won't tune in as long as it's America only (and I guess as long as Destiny's casting). I guess I'm one of the few guys you wouldn't have counted in anyways?  Seriously? You're not watching because it's America only. People like you are part of the reason the NA scene is nearly dead. Organizations won't hold tournaments with people like you "herp derp no Koreans not watching. Don't refer to yourself as a fan of Starcraft if you openly dislike a part of it. And this other crap about "well screw MLG" is obnoxious as hell. You're more interested in trying to kill more NA tournaments for what, because you think they "owe" you? The hell they do! In fact for every broadcast of one of their tournaments you watched for free on their website that other people paid for to sit in the venue, you owe them! You got a free broadcast, you have received your entertainment and your due by sitting at your computer or TV or whatever and watching their content for free. And if you paid for something from them, then you already got that too. You paid for whatever features that service came with, they don't owe you anything else. Please get over yourselves. You aren't "owed" anything because MLG made a business decision that you didn't have a part in and don't understand. Cannot wait for the content and I will be for sure tuning in when I can! Welcome back MLG Yes, I am not watching because it's America only. I do not cheer for any of the players, the timezone sucks. That is why I simply will not watch. Adam said that the tournament is for test purposes. Given the timezone and the players, I as a standard EU citizen will not tune in. It's not about "no koreans", it's more about "no players I cheer for/care for", so why should I make the effort in staying up all night? I don't think that because of "guys like me the american scene is dead". __ I am NOT interested in "killing" NA tournaments. For fuck's sake, do you watch every single tournament that is on in the EU or even in your holy NA scene? You're really starting to piss me off. Hell, MLG doesn't "owe me", I didn't say anything like that! And IN FACT, ever thought of a free stream with ads as a business model?! I owe MLG freaking NOTHING, and I can just repeat that I as a "customer" am pissed because of what happened and I will not tune in for a America only tournament! Now get your rage blown off somewhere else, especially since I wrote in my freaking last paragraph "it's great that MLG covers starcraft again". Edit: and ofc, let me repeat: I don't think that MLG counts many EU viewes in their estimations for a 5k USD Americas only tournament. Correct me, if wrong, Adam. tl;dr Learn to understand the difference between saying "This single tournament sucks" and "good thing that mlg picks up sc2 again". oh, and stop your attitude So here's an idea. If you have no interest in a tournament for whatever reason you can come up with, don't tell everyone "this tournament isn't worth my time I'm not watching." Because frankly the only people who care are people like me tired of seeing the rampant negativity all over the scene. The vast majority of people have already made up their mind, and there is probably a massively small percent of people who get agitated by this. In other words, no one cares. Keep your negativity to yourself.
It's called the Bambi rule: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
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On January 09 2014 22:27 NSGrendel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 22:06 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2014 21:29 boxerfred wrote:On January 09 2014 14:52 Wingblade wrote:On January 09 2014 13:59 boxerfred wrote:America only? Sorry, won't tune it. As a EU resident, I am kind of used to watch through the night to catch korean or american tournaments, npnp. I love the game. But after that whole "we drop sc2" thing, I'm kind of pissed about MLG. I loved Axslavs and especially Axeltoss's effort on trying to put community streams etc. up after SC2 was dropped, but they were dropped too or parted ways whyever. And now, there comes a test with destiny as a caster? seriously? sorry, just my opinion, but that's not worth watching. that's more like a reason for not watching for me. So, on a more positive site of things: It is great that MLG covers starcraft again. But I won't tune in as long as it's America only (and I guess as long as Destiny's casting). I guess I'm one of the few guys you wouldn't have counted in anyways? Seriously? You're not watching because it's America only. People like you are part of the reason the NA scene is nearly dead. Organizations won't hold tournaments with people like you "herp derp no Koreans not watching. Don't refer to yourself as a fan of Starcraft if you openly dislike a part of it. And this other crap about "well screw MLG" is obnoxious as hell. You're more interested in trying to kill more NA tournaments for what, because you think they "owe" you? The hell they do! In fact for every broadcast of one of their tournaments you watched for free on their website that other people paid for to sit in the venue, you owe them! You got a free broadcast, you have received your entertainment and your due by sitting at your computer or TV or whatever and watching their content for free. And if you paid for something from them, then you already got that too. You paid for whatever features that service came with, they don't owe you anything else. Please get over yourselves. You aren't "owed" anything because MLG made a business decision that you didn't have a part in and don't understand. Cannot wait for the content and I will be for sure tuning in when I can! Welcome back MLG Yes, I am not watching because it's America only. I do not cheer for any of the players, the timezone sucks. That is why I simply will not watch. Adam said that the tournament is for test purposes. Given the timezone and the players, I as a standard EU citizen will not tune in. It's not about "no koreans", it's more about "no players I cheer for/care for", so why should I make the effort in staying up all night? I don't think that because of "guys like me the american scene is dead". __ I am NOT interested in "killing" NA tournaments. For fuck's sake, do you watch every single tournament that is on in the EU or even in your holy NA scene? You're really starting to piss me off. Hell, MLG doesn't "owe me", I didn't say anything like that! And IN FACT, ever thought of a free stream with ads as a business model?! I owe MLG freaking NOTHING, and I can just repeat that I as a "customer" am pissed because of what happened and I will not tune in for a America only tournament! Now get your rage blown off somewhere else, especially since I wrote in my freaking last paragraph "it's great that MLG covers starcraft again". Edit: and ofc, let me repeat: I don't think that MLG counts many EU viewes in their estimations for a 5k USD Americas only tournament. Correct me, if wrong, Adam. tl;dr Learn to understand the difference between saying "This single tournament sucks" and "good thing that mlg picks up sc2 again". oh, and stop your attitude But you're hurting esports! ;P Seriously though, I agree. If nothing else its been made abundantly clear that MLG treats this as a business. And consequently it should be viewed as a business. If they're not selling a product (in this case a tournament) appealing to certain demographics (i.e. anyone outside of NA) then those demographics should be under no pressure whatsoever to support said product. 100% agree. MLG are the Dixon's Store Group (or Wallmart if you prefer) of gaming content delivery. I don't mind making people making a handsome profit from a service, but they need to sell a service I want to buy first. Having already paid for their service (in the loosest term of the word) I'd rather give money to a guy in the street than to MLG.
What? There like the Walmart of product delivery? How... Because they messed up season 1 of WCS given a 2 week window to pull off something they had never done before with no prior production crew and somewhat out of their own pocket. I don't want to hear about ESLs fantastic job and how MLG could have done that, ESL had been running LCS for months before WCS. A lot of MLGs weekend and short-term tournaments have been really well done.
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On January 09 2014 23:55 Comadevil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 23:36 Plansix wrote:On January 09 2014 23:23 Comadevil wrote:On January 09 2014 23:15 Plansix wrote:
It's one of the reasons we love GSL so much, because it is so focused. No many around the world watch GSL becauuse it has the highest competition and skill level. Many would not watch a GSL SEA for example focussing on the SEA scene It's so focused on providing the highest level of compitition and the Korean scene. Glad we agree. MGL is goin to focus on a different product, rather to trying to just recreate the GSL by flying over 40 Korean players. Well MLG didn't water its own product by letting other nations compete besides Americas and so be "unfocussed". The problem of MLG has always been the years before that they have thrown money around like there is no tomorrow (like flying many Koreans in at MLG's cost) and burning venture capital with that in contrast to Dreamhack or ESL e.g. ANd i still remember the tweets of SUndance and Adam how happy they were with the increase of concurrent viewers per event. IMO the focussing on the Americas scene is due to the fact that they don't want to spend so much money on Starcraft 2 anymore (. And taking Destiny as a co-caster is not the best move IMO. That said that i am happy for the NA scene that a american esports company finally provides them with a Americas tourney they always wanted. So it is up to the NA scene now, if it is actually profitable in the end for MLG.
They did the same thing with dota. They didn't fly teams out or give them special treatment. It's less about not want to spend less money and more about taking advantage of the people who want to play locally.
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On January 09 2014 23:51 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 23:33 Crownlol wrote:
One thing I've never understood - why doesn't MLG just freaking sell alcohol at its events? Or allow alcohol vendors and take a percentage? It would seem to be a pretty large additional revenue stream, for an industry that is currently mainly supported by online ad revenue.
Additionally, please put more money into merchandising. If MLG started selling alchohol, then I wouldn't watch it. Fuck, could you imagine a DRUNK MLG crowd? Imagine the "BUUUUUH, YOU SUUUUCK" etc that we have to hear on stream (constant) and the normal-functional people in the crowd that had to witness it? Imo bad bad idea  imagine when people Buuuh'ed at Flash, but worse *shrugs* sorry, i just have no trust in nerds, venues and alchol ^^
Going to any major sporting event amply demonstrates the effect of less than knowledgeable fans, alcohol and any perceived lull in the action. Before I stopped going to football/hockey/combat sports events I had to almost physically restrain myself from choking certain people. The Esports crowds are generally very mannered though, probably because someone who is only casually interested probably won't bother going to an MLG event.
How about selling weed instead? That would get everyone in a good mood and would likely be highly profitable. Would sound pretty cool too, "I'm a professional event manager and aspiring drug dealer".
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What made them change their mind so quick? Certainly not the community that moaned.
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On January 10 2014 00:00 NeThZOR wrote:
What made them change their mind so quick? Certainly not the community that moaned.
They never changed their mind. They just skipped SC2 for one event due to redbull having something on the same weekend. They never "dropped it" like a lot of the "ded geam" people wanted to believe.
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On January 10 2014 00:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 00:00 NeThZOR wrote:
What made them change their mind so quick? Certainly not the community that moaned. They never changed their mind. They just skipped SC2 for one event due to redbull having something on the same weekend. They never "dropped it" like a lot of the "ded geam" people wanted to believe.
Yup, it was more the community who whined so much and made the mess of it + some bad pr by MLG again.
Adam and Sundance even tweeted in the months back, that they don't give up on SC2 totally.
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well, according to Sundance it is the MLG.TV broadcast that allows them to run SC2
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On January 09 2014 17:14 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 16:39 tadL wrote:
Only American Online Competition Oo ...
Dont they check what they want to post? Is there no "is this wrong" or "does it sound even retarded too" thingy at MLG ? So are you here to spew GENERAL relentless negativity? Or are you going to tell people why a tournament that is being formed will allow more North American players to compete is a bad thing?
Could you please read what I wrote and understand it correctly? Stereotypes are always a smile but please grow to a better human being. Always this "he he said something against America so I will fire back even if it is a fail...
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On January 10 2014 00:00 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 23:51 SmoKim wrote:On January 09 2014 23:33 Crownlol wrote:
One thing I've never understood - why doesn't MLG just freaking sell alcohol at its events? Or allow alcohol vendors and take a percentage? It would seem to be a pretty large additional revenue stream, for an industry that is currently mainly supported by online ad revenue.
Additionally, please put more money into merchandising. If MLG started selling alchohol, then I wouldn't watch it. Fuck, could you imagine a DRUNK MLG crowd? Imagine the "BUUUUUH, YOU SUUUUCK" etc that we have to hear on stream (constant) and the normal-functional people in the crowd that had to witness it? Imo bad bad idea imagine when people Buuuh'ed at Flash, but worse *shrugs* sorry, i just have no trust in nerds, venues and alchol ^^ Going to any major sporting event amply demonstrates the effect of less than knowledgeable fans, alcohol and any perceived lull in the action. Before I stopped going to football/hockey/combat sports events I had to almost physically restrain myself from choking certain people. The Esports crowds are generally very mannered though, probably because someone who is only casually interested probably won't bother going to an MLG event. How about selling weed instead? That would get everyone in a good mood and would likely be highly profitable. Would sound pretty cool too, "I'm a professional event manager and aspiring drug dealer".
Very true indeed.
Was tempted to give the same "Weed" answer, but i'm afraid that ain't realistic.... unless it was held in Ca-li-for-nia
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On January 09 2014 23:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 23:55 Comadevil wrote:On January 09 2014 23:36 Plansix wrote:On January 09 2014 23:23 Comadevil wrote:On January 09 2014 23:15 Plansix wrote:
It's one of the reasons we love GSL so much, because it is so focused. No many around the world watch GSL becauuse it has the highest competition and skill level. Many would not watch a GSL SEA for example focussing on the SEA scene It's so focused on providing the highest level of compitition and the Korean scene. Glad we agree. MGL is goin to focus on a different product, rather to trying to just recreate the GSL by flying over 40 Korean players. Well MLG didn't water its own product by letting other nations compete besides Americas and so be "unfocussed". The problem of MLG has always been the years before that they have thrown money around like there is no tomorrow (like flying many Koreans in at MLG's cost) and burning venture capital with that in contrast to Dreamhack or ESL e.g. ANd i still remember the tweets of SUndance and Adam how happy they were with the increase of concurrent viewers per event. IMO the focussing on the Americas scene is due to the fact that they don't want to spend so much money on Starcraft 2 anymore (. And taking Destiny as a co-caster is not the best move IMO. That said that i am happy for the NA scene that a american esports company finally provides them with a Americas tourney they always wanted. So it is up to the NA scene now, if it is actually profitable in the end for MLG. They did the same thing with dota. They didn't fly teams out or give them special treatment. It's less about not want to spend less money and more about taking advantage of the people who want to play locally.
Well in the end it is all about money. They just didn't do it based on their experience with SC2. Flying four dota teams in and u have to pay for 20 persons.
But back in the days 2011, koreans provided much viewership from all over the world which showed itself in ever increasing viewers from event to event which was also essential for MLG to acquire more venture capital. As long as only Americans competed, MLG was not really recognized at least by the EU community. That changed with EU and Koreans competing there. And Koreans didn't fly to foreign tournaments at that time excapt by paying the costs for them
Now that MLG is known, some EU people will at least watch a Amercian only tournament. ANd they can have the luxury that they don't have to fly so many people in
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On January 10 2014 00:17 tadL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 17:14 Darkhoarse wrote:On January 09 2014 16:39 tadL wrote:
Only American Online Competition Oo ...
Dont they check what they want to post? Is there no "is this wrong" or "does it sound even retarded too" thingy at MLG ? So are you here to spew GENERAL relentless negativity? Or are you going to tell people why a tournament that is being formed will allow more North American players to compete is a bad thing? Could you please read what I wrote and understand it correctly? Stereotypes are always a smile but please grow to a better human being. Always this "he he said something against America so I will fire back even if it is a fail...
Ok, someone needs to cut back on the Hateraid and not ask people to "become a better human being" in their posts.
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On January 09 2014 23:07 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 20:08 Squat wrote:On January 09 2014 18:56 Tchado wrote:On January 09 2014 17:57 d00p wrote:On January 09 2014 15:52 Tchado wrote:On January 09 2014 15:45 sAsImre wrote:On January 09 2014 14:52 Wingblade wrote:On January 09 2014 13:59 boxerfred wrote:America only? Sorry, won't tune it. As a EU resident, I am kind of used to watch through the night to catch korean or american tournaments, npnp. I love the game. But after that whole "we drop sc2" thing, I'm kind of pissed about MLG. I loved Axslavs and especially Axeltoss's effort on trying to put community streams etc. up after SC2 was dropped, but they were dropped too or parted ways whyever. And now, there comes a test with destiny as a caster? seriously? sorry, just my opinion, but that's not worth watching. that's more like a reason for not watching for me. So, on a more positive site of things: It is great that MLG covers starcraft again. But I won't tune in as long as it's America only (and I guess as long as Destiny's casting). I guess I'm one of the few guys you wouldn't have counted in anyways? Seriously? You're not watching because it's America only. People like you are part of the reason the NA scene is nearly dead. Organizations won't hold tournaments with people like you "herp derp no Koreans not watching. Don't refer to yourself as a fan of Starcraft if you openly dislike a part of it. i'm european like boxerfred and while i watch our own scene for several reasons (ppl you see at lans/play on the ladder/cup and co) i don't give a shit about an NA only tournament. If it works, good for you, if it doesn't it's a bit sad but I clearly wont watch subpar play, most of the time totally unoriginal for the sake of supporting a scene 5000km away lol. I agree with this guy. I really hope it works out for the NA scene , they could use something like this , and I honestly hope destiny gets fired....still don't like the guy ever since the last witch hunt. Which hunt was that? People who don't like Destiny just don't get it. But me and Sundance on the other hand, we get it, okay, WE GET IT. You get it ? Ok hook me up then , help me GET IT. and again , I hope this works out for NA and their player base. Because more or less everything he said in the ded gaem post was true. People didn't like it because sometimes he used mean words. This idea that Destiny somehow damaged the game is mildly amusing at best. The reason people didn't like it was because he was pulling numbers out of nowhere and painted a doomsday scenario which spawned so much negativity that this community became unbearable to interact with for several months afterwards. He definitely had a point in there somewhere, but the reason people didn't like his post had to do with more than just "mean words". Doa posted an excellent response to the post where he said that while it's important to recognize potential problems with the game and the scene, poisoning the community with an extreme amount of negativity is the wrong way to go about it. Destiny responded with what was honestly a pretty stupid comment about how Doa wanted everyone to wear rose-tinted glasses and ignore everything (indicating that he either didn't read or understand the post, since that's the opposite of what Doa said). Whether or not the chicken little episode actually hurt the game and it's popularity is up for debate, but it doesn't take a genius to see that a community that hates itself and predicts its own death might be less appealing to be a part of. It also doesn't take a genuis to see that the community has done stuff like this more than once (it happened again, only a few months ago, when stream numbers started to go down due to WCS oversaturation), and it tends to just die down after a particularly memorable tournament or something else awesome. I'm not a Destiny hater and I'm glad to see him be a part of this project, but there are legitimate reasons for not liking his proclamation of the game dying and the bandwagon that followed.
Just to be clear since I'm quoted in this series of posts , the reason why I dislike destiny isn't because he proclaimed that the game will die , I couldnt care less about what he thinks.
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Meh,they did so many things wrong, but people still approve of them. In a normal business they would be burned in "our" corner of the market. Maybe some Americans will care, MLG doesn't care about me anyways, I am not their client so who cares what happens.
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On January 10 2014 00:24 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 00:00 Squat wrote:On January 09 2014 23:51 SmoKim wrote:On January 09 2014 23:33 Crownlol wrote:
One thing I've never understood - why doesn't MLG just freaking sell alcohol at its events? Or allow alcohol vendors and take a percentage? It would seem to be a pretty large additional revenue stream, for an industry that is currently mainly supported by online ad revenue.
Additionally, please put more money into merchandising. If MLG started selling alchohol, then I wouldn't watch it. Fuck, could you imagine a DRUNK MLG crowd? Imagine the "BUUUUUH, YOU SUUUUCK" etc that we have to hear on stream (constant) and the normal-functional people in the crowd that had to witness it? Imo bad bad idea imagine when people Buuuh'ed at Flash, but worse *shrugs* sorry, i just have no trust in nerds, venues and alchol ^^ Going to any major sporting event amply demonstrates the effect of less than knowledgeable fans, alcohol and any perceived lull in the action. Before I stopped going to football/hockey/combat sports events I had to almost physically restrain myself from choking certain people. The Esports crowds are generally very mannered though, probably because someone who is only casually interested probably won't bother going to an MLG event. How about selling weed instead? That would get everyone in a good mood and would likely be highly profitable. Would sound pretty cool too, "I'm a professional event manager and aspiring drug dealer". Very true indeed. Was tempted to give the same "Weed" answer, but i'm afraid that ain't realistic.... unless it was held in Ca-li-for-nia
Dreamhack Amsterdam please!
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On January 09 2014 23:51 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 23:33 Crownlol wrote:
One thing I've never understood - why doesn't MLG just freaking sell alcohol at its events? Or allow alcohol vendors and take a percentage? It would seem to be a pretty large additional revenue stream, for an industry that is currently mainly supported by online ad revenue.
Additionally, please put more money into merchandising. If MLG started selling alchohol, then I wouldn't watch it. Fuck, could you imagine a DRUNK MLG crowd? Imagine the "BUUUUUH, YOU SUUUUCK" etc that we have to hear on stream (constant) and the normal-functional people in the crowd that had to witness it? Imo bad bad idea imagine when people Buuuh'ed at Flash, but worse *shrugs* sorry, i just have no trust in nerds, venues and alchol ^^
WCS EU has a full bar, and a tiny venue. Never noticed any problems there.
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Please, please, please stream the Open bracket!
Any news on if open will be streamed?
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On January 09 2014 23:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 23:52 Wingblade wrote:On January 09 2014 21:29 boxerfred wrote:On January 09 2014 14:52 Wingblade wrote:On January 09 2014 13:59 boxerfred wrote:America only? Sorry, won't tune it. As a EU resident, I am kind of used to watch through the night to catch korean or american tournaments, npnp. I love the game. But after that whole "we drop sc2" thing, I'm kind of pissed about MLG. I loved Axslavs and especially Axeltoss's effort on trying to put community streams etc. up after SC2 was dropped, but they were dropped too or parted ways whyever. And now, there comes a test with destiny as a caster? seriously? sorry, just my opinion, but that's not worth watching. that's more like a reason for not watching for me. So, on a more positive site of things: It is great that MLG covers starcraft again. But I won't tune in as long as it's America only (and I guess as long as Destiny's casting). I guess I'm one of the few guys you wouldn't have counted in anyways? Seriously? You're not watching because it's America only. People like you are part of the reason the NA scene is nearly dead. Organizations won't hold tournaments with people like you "herp derp no Koreans not watching. Don't refer to yourself as a fan of Starcraft if you openly dislike a part of it. And this other crap about "well screw MLG" is obnoxious as hell. You're more interested in trying to kill more NA tournaments for what, because you think they "owe" you? The hell they do! In fact for every broadcast of one of their tournaments you watched for free on their website that other people paid for to sit in the venue, you owe them! You got a free broadcast, you have received your entertainment and your due by sitting at your computer or TV or whatever and watching their content for free. And if you paid for something from them, then you already got that too. You paid for whatever features that service came with, they don't owe you anything else. Please get over yourselves. You aren't "owed" anything because MLG made a business decision that you didn't have a part in and don't understand. Cannot wait for the content and I will be for sure tuning in when I can! Welcome back MLG Yes, I am not watching because it's America only. I do not cheer for any of the players, the timezone sucks. That is why I simply will not watch. Adam said that the tournament is for test purposes. Given the timezone and the players, I as a standard EU citizen will not tune in. It's not about "no koreans", it's more about "no players I cheer for/care for", so why should I make the effort in staying up all night? I don't think that because of "guys like me the american scene is dead". __ I am NOT interested in "killing" NA tournaments. For fuck's sake, do you watch every single tournament that is on in the EU or even in your holy NA scene? You're really starting to piss me off. Hell, MLG doesn't "owe me", I didn't say anything like that! And IN FACT, ever thought of a free stream with ads as a business model?! I owe MLG freaking NOTHING, and I can just repeat that I as a "customer" am pissed because of what happened and I will not tune in for a America only tournament! Now get your rage blown off somewhere else, especially since I wrote in my freaking last paragraph "it's great that MLG covers starcraft again". Edit: and ofc, let me repeat: I don't think that MLG counts many EU viewes in their estimations for a 5k USD Americas only tournament. Correct me, if wrong, Adam. tl;dr Learn to understand the difference between saying "This single tournament sucks" and "good thing that mlg picks up sc2 again". oh, and stop your attitude So here's an idea. If you have no interest in a tournament for whatever reason you can come up with, don't tell everyone "this tournament isn't worth my time I'm not watching." Because frankly the only people who care are people like me tired of seeing the rampant negativity all over the scene. The vast majority of people have already made up their mind, and there is probably a massively small percent of people who get agitated by this. In other words, no one cares. Keep your negativity to yourself. It's called the Bambi rule: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Yes, because people expressing their disappointment that the new MLG isn't like the old MLG is such a big deal.
I have no ill feelings towards MLG treating SC2 as a business or whatever grudges people hold against them, I just wish we still had tournaments similar to the HotS beta tournament or the MLG's before that. They were some of the best tournaments we've ever had in SC2. That would interest me as a viewer. Nothing wrong with people posting that.
It's not like the few US only tournaments that have been attempted have been successful either so I don't see why this one would be any different. What draws the most viewers is a mix of players, some korean, some EU, some US. US only or EU only just draws the hardcore fanbase of the players (and casters) because noone else cares that much. Just look at viewer numbers for the first day of dreamhack, shoutcraft numbers or early GSL rounds.
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On January 10 2014 00:46 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 23:56 Plansix wrote:On January 09 2014 23:52 Wingblade wrote:On January 09 2014 21:29 boxerfred wrote:On January 09 2014 14:52 Wingblade wrote:On January 09 2014 13:59 boxerfred wrote:America only? Sorry, won't tune it. As a EU resident, I am kind of used to watch through the night to catch korean or american tournaments, npnp. I love the game. But after that whole "we drop sc2" thing, I'm kind of pissed about MLG. I loved Axslavs and especially Axeltoss's effort on trying to put community streams etc. up after SC2 was dropped, but they were dropped too or parted ways whyever. And now, there comes a test with destiny as a caster? seriously? sorry, just my opinion, but that's not worth watching. that's more like a reason for not watching for me. So, on a more positive site of things: It is great that MLG covers starcraft again. But I won't tune in as long as it's America only (and I guess as long as Destiny's casting). I guess I'm one of the few guys you wouldn't have counted in anyways? Seriously? You're not watching because it's America only. People like you are part of the reason the NA scene is nearly dead. Organizations won't hold tournaments with people like you "herp derp no Koreans not watching. Don't refer to yourself as a fan of Starcraft if you openly dislike a part of it. And this other crap about "well screw MLG" is obnoxious as hell. You're more interested in trying to kill more NA tournaments for what, because you think they "owe" you? The hell they do! In fact for every broadcast of one of their tournaments you watched for free on their website that other people paid for to sit in the venue, you owe them! You got a free broadcast, you have received your entertainment and your due by sitting at your computer or TV or whatever and watching their content for free. And if you paid for something from them, then you already got that too. You paid for whatever features that service came with, they don't owe you anything else. Please get over yourselves. You aren't "owed" anything because MLG made a business decision that you didn't have a part in and don't understand. Cannot wait for the content and I will be for sure tuning in when I can! Welcome back MLG Yes, I am not watching because it's America only. I do not cheer for any of the players, the timezone sucks. That is why I simply will not watch. Adam said that the tournament is for test purposes. Given the timezone and the players, I as a standard EU citizen will not tune in. It's not about "no koreans", it's more about "no players I cheer for/care for", so why should I make the effort in staying up all night? I don't think that because of "guys like me the american scene is dead". __ I am NOT interested in "killing" NA tournaments. For fuck's sake, do you watch every single tournament that is on in the EU or even in your holy NA scene? You're really starting to piss me off. Hell, MLG doesn't "owe me", I didn't say anything like that! And IN FACT, ever thought of a free stream with ads as a business model?! I owe MLG freaking NOTHING, and I can just repeat that I as a "customer" am pissed because of what happened and I will not tune in for a America only tournament! Now get your rage blown off somewhere else, especially since I wrote in my freaking last paragraph "it's great that MLG covers starcraft again". Edit: and ofc, let me repeat: I don't think that MLG counts many EU viewes in their estimations for a 5k USD Americas only tournament. Correct me, if wrong, Adam. tl;dr Learn to understand the difference between saying "This single tournament sucks" and "good thing that mlg picks up sc2 again". oh, and stop your attitude So here's an idea. If you have no interest in a tournament for whatever reason you can come up with, don't tell everyone "this tournament isn't worth my time I'm not watching." Because frankly the only people who care are people like me tired of seeing the rampant negativity all over the scene. The vast majority of people have already made up their mind, and there is probably a massively small percent of people who get agitated by this. In other words, no one cares. Keep your negativity to yourself. It's called the Bambi rule: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Yes, because people expressing their disappointment that the new MLG isn't like the old MLG is such a big deal. I have no ill feelings towards MLG treating SC2 as a business or whatever grudges people hold against them, I just wish we still had tournaments similar to the HotS beta tournament or the MLG's before that. They were some of the best tournaments we've ever had in SC2. That would interest me as a viewer. Nothing wrong with people posting that. It's not like the few US only tournaments that have been attempted have been successful either so I don't see why this one would be any different. What draws the most viewers is a mix of players, some korean, some EU, some US. US only or EU only just draws the hardcore fanbase of the players (and casters) because noone else cares that much. Just look at viewer numbers for the first day of dreamhack, shoutcraft numbers or early GSL rounds.
eSports consumers are also the most spoiled, entitled, and fleeting fans of any sport I've ever seen. Destiny says one thing wrong, and people lead a crusade against him. Michael Vick murders dogs, and still has a multimillion-dollar salary.
People fly to bad teams TRAINING CAMPS, just to watch and participate in some stupid, minor way.
MLG takes a risk, enters a virgin market long ago, and you entitled assholes get all "BURN THE WITCH" when they ask for a measly $20 PPV fee. Guess what? The reason your favorite pros have to quit after a few years is because you won't just be a goddamn eSports fan for any measurable amount of time.
The volatility and "gimme for free" attitude of this market is precisely why I haven't personally invested in it, and why many companies are hesitant. If you people drink any energy drink other than Red Bull, shame on you.
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Or to put it another way, there is a huge difference between complaining to help them improve and bitching because you aren't getting exactly want you want and you don't like any of the answers. The people who are bitching that it's an NA focused event have plenty of other content to watch, so it's not unreasonable to say "take your negativity elsewhere, I want to watch an NA event."
You're entitle to your opinion and I'm entitled to tell you that it might suck.
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