EPTHitman is American. #Freedom. Probably the best player out of NA currently.
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
Hitman is American. #Freedom. Probably the best player out of NA currently. | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On January 09 2014 20:08 Squat wrote: Because more or less everything he said in the ded gaem post was true. People didn't like it because sometimes he used mean words. This idea that Destiny somehow damaged the game is mildly amusing at best. The reason people didn't like it was because he was pulling numbers out of nowhere and painted a doomsday scenario which spawned so much negativity that this community became unbearable to interact with for several months afterwards. He definitely had a point in there somewhere, but the reason people didn't like his post had to do with more than just "mean words". Doa posted an excellent response to the post where he said that while it's important to recognize potential problems with the game and the scene, poisoning the community with an extreme amount of negativity is the wrong way to go about it. Destiny responded with what was honestly a pretty stupid comment about how Doa wanted everyone to wear rose-tinted glasses and ignore everything (indicating that he either didn't read or understand the post, since that's the opposite of what Doa said). Whether or not the chicken little episode actually hurt the game and it's popularity is up for debate, but it doesn't take a genius to see that a community that hates itself and predicts its own death might be less appealing to be a part of. It also doesn't take a genuis to see that the community has done stuff like this more than once (it happened again, only a few months ago, when stream numbers started to go down due to WCS oversaturation), and it tends to just die down after a particularly memorable tournament or something else awesome. I'm not a Destiny hater and I'm glad to see him be a part of this project, but there are legitimate reasons for not liking his proclamation of the game dying and the bandwagon that followed. | ||
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
On January 09 2014 15:58 SicPro wrote: I really hope that its gonna be "Country of Origin" only. Just cause you live here doesn't make you from here. I love Polt and Violet just as much as my hometown heroes but that doesn't mean they should be competing in an "America's Only" tournament. It doesn't make you from here, but that shouldn't have any relevance. Being born in Korea doesn't give you an advantage in starcraft, it's the structural training difference that does. Polt and Violet don't have a tight knit team house to train in over here, so they should be allowed in like anyone else. Do you think Select should be disallowed as well? The ideal solution is limiting it to those currently residing in the Americas for something like a year. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I can understand the same EU fans would be disappointed, but I like that MLG is focusing down on what they are providing. The risk of trying to please everyone world wide is that you end up with a watered down product. It's one of the reasons we love GSL so much, because it is so focused. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On January 09 2014 14:57 ssw2ndtime wrote: I hated MLG to dare to even take off SC2 for one event even... thinking what SC2 had done for MLG.. how can they just treat SC2 like a prostitue.. use em when u need em, but once it gets less results for a little while, just chuck it in the garbage?? N now they are digging it back from the can, dust it off, and recycle..????? Srsly i hate u mlg.. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1uqgbs/mlg_announces_americas_only_sc2_activity_and/cekpvcr http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440372¤tpage=5#93 That is the honest answer. What else do you want? I'm not going to spend $100s of thousands to operate an event on the same weekend in the same time zone as someone else. That is bad for us and for Redbull. I can't spin the answer any other way. | ||
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Comadevil
Germany214 Posts
On January 09 2014 23:15 Plansix wrote: It's one of the reasons we love GSL so much, because it is so focused. No many around the world watch GSL becauuse it has the highest competition and skill level. Many would not watch a GSL SEA for example focussing on the SEA scene | ||
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Champi
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
Additionally, please put more money into merchandising. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 09 2014 23:23 Comadevil wrote: No many around the world watch GSL becauuse it has the highest competition and skill level. Many would not watch a GSL SEA for example focussing on the SEA scene It's so focused on providing the highest level of compitition and the Korean scene. Glad we agree. MGL is goin to focus on a different product, rather to trying to just recreate the GSL by flying over 40 Korean players. | ||
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VieuxSinge
France231 Posts
i'm so happy :D | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 09 2014 23:33 Crownlol wrote: One thing I've never understood - why doesn't MLG just freaking sell alcohol at its events? Or allow alcohol vendors and take a percentage? It would seem to be a pretty large additional revenue stream, for an industry that is currently mainly supported by online ad revenue. Additionally, please put more money into merchandising. Getting a liquor license for one of the venues they use would be a nightmare. They are not only responsible for selling the booze, but also making sure it isn't ending up in the hands of under aged kids. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On January 09 2014 23:41 Plansix wrote: Getting a liquor license for one of the venues they use would be a nightmare. They are not only responsible for selling the booze, but also making sure it isn't ending up in the hands of under aged kids. Many of the vendors are probably already licensed. I'm just not sure of the liquor laws for allowing a licensed alcohol vendor on your premises. For example, consider the many outdoor events that have alcohol vendor booths. These locations are likely unlicensed, while the vendor itself is licensed. | ||
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On January 09 2014 05:31 Musicus wrote: The open bracket was always really fun, this will be awesome. Its Christmas!! AGAIN!!! Thanks so much guys, this will be so awesome to watch! I will not miss a single second! | ||
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Moonsalt
267 Posts
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
also i agree with joofro92 on the first page.....bring smash back :D | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 09 2014 23:46 Crownlol wrote: Many of the vendors are probably already licensed. I'm just not sure of the liquor laws for allowing a licensed alcohol vendor on your premises. For example, consider the many outdoor events that have alcohol vendor booths. These locations are likely unlicensed, while the vendor itself is licensed. Normally the laws are per state and sometimes per town. I remember it took my first a month to get a public liquor license for a local vendor for a single event. It just might be more trouble than it is worth. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On January 09 2014 23:33 Crownlol wrote: One thing I've never understood - why doesn't MLG just freaking sell alcohol at its events? Or allow alcohol vendors and take a percentage? It would seem to be a pretty large additional revenue stream, for an industry that is currently mainly supported by online ad revenue. Additionally, please put more money into merchandising. If MLG started selling alchohol, then I wouldn't watch it. Fuck, could you imagine a DRUNK MLG crowd? Imagine the "BUUUUUH, YOU SUUUUCK" etc that we have to hear on stream (constant) and the normal-functional people in the crowd that had to witness it? Imo bad bad idea  imagine when people Buuuh'ed at Flash, but worse *shrugs* sorry, i just have no trust in nerds, venues and alchol ^^ | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On January 09 2014 21:29 boxerfred wrote: Yes, I am not watching because it's America only. I do not cheer for any of the players, the timezone sucks. That is why I simply will not watch. Adam said that the tournament is for test purposes. Given the timezone and the players, I as a standard EU citizen will not tune in. It's not about "no koreans", it's more about "no players I cheer for/care for", so why should I make the effort in staying up all night? I don't think that because of "guys like me the american scene is dead". __ I am NOT interested in "killing" NA tournaments. For fuck's sake, do you watch every single tournament that is on in the EU or even in your holy NA scene? You're really starting to piss me off. Hell, MLG doesn't "owe me", I didn't say anything like that! And IN FACT, ever thought of a free stream with ads as a business model?! I owe MLG freaking NOTHING, and I can just repeat that I as a "customer" am pissed because of what happened and I will not tune in for a America only tournament! Now get your rage blown off somewhere else, especially since I wrote in my freaking last paragraph "it's great that MLG covers starcraft again". Edit: and ofc, let me repeat: I don't think that MLG counts many EU viewes in their estimations for a 5k USD Americas only tournament. Correct me, if wrong, Adam. tl;dr Learn to understand the difference between saying "This single tournament sucks" and "good thing that mlg picks up sc2 again". oh, and stop your attitude So here's an idea. If you have no interest in a tournament for whatever reason you can come up with, don't tell everyone "this tournament isn't worth my time I'm not watching." Because frankly the only people who care are people like me tired of seeing the rampant negativity all over the scene. The vast majority of people have already made up their mind, and there is probably a massively small percent of people who get agitated by this. In other words, no one cares. Keep your negativity to yourself. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
On January 09 2014 23:14 Kettchup wrote: It doesn't make you from here, but that shouldn't have any relevance. Being born in Korea doesn't give you an advantage in starcraft, it's the structural training difference that does. Polt and Violet don't have a tight knit team house to train in over here, so they should be allowed in like anyone else. Do you think Select should be disallowed as well? The ideal solution is limiting it to those currently residing in the Americas for something like a year. "Koreans with visas will not be eligible for this tournament. It'll be decided later how that will play out at Anaheim, but they're not being considered right now (that means no select/apoc/violet/demuslim/polt)." - MLG/GameOn Feedback thread | ||
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Comadevil
Germany214 Posts
On January 09 2014 23:36 Plansix wrote: It's so focused on providing the highest level of compitition and the Korean scene. Glad we agree. MGL is goin to focus on a different product, rather to trying to just recreate the GSL by flying over 40 Korean players. Well MLG didn't water its own product by letting other nations compete besides Americas and so be "unfocussed". The problem of MLG has always been the years before that they have thrown money around like there is no tomorrow (like flying many Koreans in at MLG's cost) and burning venture capital with that in contrast to Dreamhack or ESL e.g. ANd i still remember the tweets of SUndance and Adam how happy they were with the increase of concurrent viewers per event. IMO the focussing on the Americas scene is due to the fact that they don't want to spend so much money on Starcraft 2 anymore (. And taking Destiny as a co-caster is not the best move IMO, though that is more due to Catz i guess. That said that i am happy for the NA scene that a american esports company finally provides them with a Americas tourney they always wanted. So it is up to the NA scene now, if it is actually profitable in the end for MLG and to prove TB that he is wrong about his opinion that an NA only tournament is not profitable But Anaheim won't be watched by many europeans due to timezone (-9 hours to Central Europe) and the players competing | ||
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