EPTJan 2nd Balance Test Map - Page 22
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On January 04 2014 01:39 darkness wrote: Come on, don't break PvP. Does Blizzard want to take it back to WoL level? That's gonna be the new protoss excuse how sweet. "don't nerf overcharge it will break pvp" Oh noes...maybe you will have to scout and have map control for once ! | ||
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cptjibberjabber
Netherlands87 Posts
On January 04 2014 01:13 Bagi wrote: I don't think I could make a more ironic post if I tried. Archons absolutely wreck hellbats. Add a storm or two and they wont last more than a few seconds. I welcome you to try this: 13 Blue flame hellbats vs 15 zealots and 2 archons? hellbats win. 3 archons and 9 zealots vs 13 BFHB? hellbats win. 13 BFHB vs 4 archons? Hellbats win. that's 1300 gas beaten with 1300 minerals. Just imagine what could happen if you target fired or had a single ghost. | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
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duckk
United States622 Posts
if played right tvz mech is already unstoppable (not all maps). If Blizzard really wants to buff mech, zerg needs an aa option that is somewhat efficient vs ravens. Also pvz is a horribly designed matchup for both sides. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On January 04 2014 01:39 darkness wrote: Come on, don't break PvP. Does Blizzard want to take it back to WoL level? PvP has been hopeless since day1 of WoL. We can't design the game around it, the match up is so borked because of warp gate and other stuff, we'll just have to deal with the fact that it's always going to be dumb. The fact that protoss needs a 60 seconds super tanky mega cannon to be able to do anything other than 1 basing is a problem with protoss, and not any reason whatsoever to have PO neuter offensive options for T and Z in the early game. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Salmacis
France44 Posts
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 04 2014 02:11 ZenithM wrote: I don't want to sacrifice the benediction that is PvP for something as flimsy and optional as "balance". Please Blizzard, get your shit together. Yeah, it's hard for me to find it in myself to even play now, with this possibility of a change. I can't go back to WoL p vs p. I just can't do that. Foreign terrans are always going to be bad terrans. They're the worst part about HotS. 0 foreign terran bonjwas or players that were even winning tournaments, to my knowledge, when they were the strongest race. Given this, when will the whine/excuses end? Never. They've already given terran free 3-3 on air upgrades. Foreign terrans don't seem to have the skill/apm,etc to play anything but mech, so may as well make tanks super imbal. Make them as imbalanced as possible. They're bad enough to deserve other races having a handicap. For the love of god, make them imbal as fuck, already, so there's a slight chance of them stfu. Can I please just have a decent p vs p game? Stop rewarding caveman play. I'm tired of seeing all-ins. I'm tired of players being at the top of the ladder when everyone already knows they're going to all-in them. It's not a strategy game at that point. It's brainless if things like that can be that strong. | ||
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ma5ta
United States46 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On January 04 2014 02:23 playa wrote: Yeah, it's hard for me to find it in myself to even play now, with this possibility of a change. I can't go back to WoL p vs p. I just can't do that. Foreign terrans are always going to be bad terrans. They're the worst part about HotS. 0 foreign terran bonjwas or players that were even winning tournaments, to my knowledge, when they were the strongest race. Given this, when will the whine/excuses end? Never. They've already given terran free 3-3 on air upgrades. Foreign terrans don't seem to have the skill/apm,etc to play anything but mech, so may as well make tanks super imbal. Make them as imbalanced as possible. They're bad enough to deserve other races having a handicap. For the love of god, make them imbal as fuck, already, so there's a slight chance of them stfu. Can I please just have a decent p vs p game? Stop rewarding caveman play. I'm tired of seeing all-ins. I'm tired of players being at the top of the ladder when everyone already knows they're going to all-in them. It's not a strategy game at that point. It's brainless if things like that can be that strong. Yes, those below 100 apm protoss players are just so much better than those shitty non korean terrans. You definately have a point! | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 04 2014 03:17 TeeTS wrote: Yes, those below 100 apm protoss players are just so much better than those shitty non korean terrans. You definately have a point! Your race is hard, we get it by now... But, foreign terrans have always been so much worse than Koreans. Weird. You guys do play the same race, correct? Obviously there is a skill discrepancy that isn't going to be fixed by qq'ing. Blizzard's best bet is to cater to foreign terrans who have proven time and time again that they don't have it in them to play bio at the level needed. Mech is a lot easier of a style and it suits your 100 apm, toss equivalent players like Sjow and Goody. Everyone says mech is a lot worse than bio, but personally, I don't think avilo or mario would fare any better if they used bio. They would probably be a lot worse. Buff the easy style some more. That way, Koreans can keep owning face with bio, and foreign terrans can stick to easy mode and perhaps, one day, when the tank does 10000 damage and the race starts with 3-3, I can not see terran qq filling up the forum. It's a big dream, I know. As a toss player, I'd love for them to make terran imbalanced, simply so terran players will fuck off. Just leave p vs p alone. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12470 Posts
PO change is announced, first reaction is negative. Everyone says that's not what should be done to help PvT and it won't change shit in PvZ. So it's not helping these match-ups. Now people come in and say it's also bad in PvP? Omg what a bunch of whiners, the change was needed, protoss needs to stfu. The biggest problem with SC2 is that we thrive conflict. If a terran says something, there will be protoss to analyze what has been said and say it's wrong because a terran said it. If a protoss says something, the reverse will occur. We have people saying the EXACT SAME THING in this thread but insulting each other over it because they don't happen to say it from the same viewpoint. It's really sad. That's the difference between a barbarism and a neologism: no difference at all, but one is good and one is evil. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On January 04 2014 03:30 Nebuchad wrote: You can see the biggest problem with SC2 in this thread. PO change is announced, first reaction is negative. Everyone says that's not what should be done to help PvT and it won't change shit in PvZ. So it's not helping these match-ups. Poll: Photon Overcharge Change Thumbs Up (1175) Thumbs Down (282) Neutral (49) 1506 total votes Your vote: Photon Overcharge Change mhh? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12470 Posts
On January 04 2014 03:36 Faust852 wrote: [spoiler=Poll] Poll: Photon Overcharge Change Thumbs Up (1175) Thumbs Down (282) Neutral (49) 1506 total votes Your vote: Photon Overcharge Change mhh? Read the thread? Your first reaction was "meh", as I recall. All the little côterie of terrans who keep writing the same post were negative about it, from snusmum to imperialfist. Avilo was pretty adamant about it, he made a long post and had an insufferable streaming session. | ||
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vidium
Romania222 Posts
On topic: "if something is imbalanced in the game we just increase the speed" Blizz balancing 101. Enjoy Speedcraft 2. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On January 04 2014 03:37 Nebuchad wrote: Read the thread? Your first reaction was "meh", as I recall. These kind of threads have always been a minority fighting against a minority. My first reaction was : Giving a 40s earlier timing in TvP might help. Meh. My "Meh" is more of a "Will see" than a "I doubt it". Anyway it's already a good thing that Blizzard realizes that the MSC has a problem. I was more for an energy based nerf, like starting with 0 energy, or PC costing 125 energy to cast. Even a Vision nerf. But it's still a 1st step and AFAIK, there isn't even a balance map at the moment, everything can change. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
I don't know how a game can be taken seriously, when such brainless strategies are so overpowering. A strategy game? One without much depth, apparently. Becoming GM has become a choice. Not a matter of skill or strategic ability. It's sad. | ||
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TimENT
United States1425 Posts
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