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On January 03 2014 04:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. People need to understand that law is not magic and can't make money appear from nowhere. And generally courts are not in the business of garnishing people's wages to force them to pay funds they owe. Also, in the America court system, if Simon had no money to give, he could just declare bankruptcy and resolve the debt dispute that way. Courts are not magic and generally it is not worth suing an individual to try and get your money back.
Even if he declares bankruptcy, he still must pay what he owes to his creditors. I don't know how is it in Canada, but I'm pretty sure you can't just declare bankruptcy and go in the green. Either with his own money or by selling assets he will be forced to pay. Now I don't know what kind of company Quantic is (or is it company at all), but usually this happens, at least in EU...
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What a shame that the company had such a grossly inexperienced, immature, and immoral CEO. He needs to turn himself in and atone for this mess. In just running away from the situation, I hope his soul is ill at ease with what he's done.
Hearing these stories also makes you appreciate owners like Nazgul and Alex Garfield even more. Such a disaster would cause irreparable ruin to the scene had it happened at one of the pillars of eSports teams or community.
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If he was running away with millions, but for 40k ... what kind of idiot is this person?
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What if the CEO died of lung cancer?
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Then I can tell you who his beneficiaries are going to be......
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 04:53 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:28 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. People need to understand that law is not magic and can't make money appear from nowhere. And generally courts are not in the business of garnishing people's wages to force them to pay funds they owe. Also, in the America court system, if Simon had no money to give, he could just declare bankruptcy and resolve the debt dispute that way. Courts are not magic and generally it is not worth suing an individual to try and get your money back. Even if he declares bankruptcy, he still must pay what he owes to his creditors. I don't know how is it in Canada, but I'm pretty sure you can't just declare bankruptcy and go in the green. Either with his own money or by selling assets he will be forced to pay. Now I don't know what kind of company Quantic is (or is it company at all), but usually this happens, at least in EU...
I think Plansix has some kind of legal education (might be a paralegal?), and if he were to explain the legal situation I'd feel inclined to believe what he's saying. I would appreciate some clarification on the subject though if that's possible.
On January 03 2014 04:55 jubil wrote:
What a shame that the company had such a grossly inexperienced, immature, and immoral CEO. He needs to turn himself in and atone for this mess. In just running away from the situation, I hope his soul is ill at ease with what he's done.
Does anyone actually believe that this will happen? I mean I'd be jumping from joy if it did, but "turning himself in" for stealing some money? I doubt he's feeling very burdened by this situation.
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On January 03 2014 04:59 TAMinator wrote:
What if the CEO died of lung cancer?
you dont simply vanish off the radar one day if you were dying of lung cancer.
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i watched an eSPorts money mogul guy claim he had bone and lung cancer as well.
It was clear he was running out of money.
every one around him was afraid to say he was full of shit and just using it as an excuse.
its been more than 5 years now. and miracle of miracles this man is still alive.
God Bless America!
On January 03 2014 04:53 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:28 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. People need to understand that law is not magic and can't make money appear from nowhere. And generally courts are not in the business of garnishing people's wages to force them to pay funds they owe. Also, in the America court system, if Simon had no money to give, he could just declare bankruptcy and resolve the debt dispute that way. Courts are not magic and generally it is not worth suing an individual to try and get your money back. Even if he declares bankruptcy, he still must pay what he owes to his creditors. I don't know how is it in Canada, but I'm pretty sure you can't just declare bankruptcy and go in the green. Either with his own money or by selling assets he will be forced to pay. Now I don't know what kind of company Quantic is (or is it company at all), but usually this happens, at least in EU...
Quebec is a whole other ball game. It's like a country inside a country.
Families can shuffle the cash around and avoid paying their creditors.
A text book Canadian example of shuffling internal family money around to avoid paying creditors occurred with "Sam THe Record Man".
The place went bankrupt 3 different times and the assets got shuffled around between Sam Sniderman and his sons.
Countless employees and creditors got thoroughly fucked over multiple times.
If this Simon guy wants to just throw up his hands and cry poor, and he knows what he is doing and plans it carefully.
then all his creditors are screwed.
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On January 03 2014 05:05 elfonse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:59 TAMinator wrote:
What if the CEO died of lung cancer? you dont simply vanish off the radar one day if you were dying of lung cancer.
You would if you are losing money rapidly from an enterprise that's providing you no revenue with out deep pockets, and then realize the huge potential medical costs in order to live. I hope to god this is not actually the case.
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I've been really against Quantic since they disbanded and reformed like a week later. No one seemed to have anything nice to say about the organization. This really isn't the first time Simon has been accused of taking money or being a shitty owner, either.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431056
However, I don't think Hyun and the others will have the same outcome because of how much money this actually is.
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On January 03 2014 05:19 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 05:05 elfonse wrote:On January 03 2014 04:59 TAMinator wrote:
What if the CEO died of lung cancer? you dont simply vanish off the radar one day if you were dying of lung cancer. You would if you are losing money rapidly from an enterprise that's providing you no revenue with out deep pockets, and then realize the huge potential medical costs in order to live. I hope to god this is not actually the case.
that was exactly what I was thinking. That might actually be the worst possible situation.
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I don't get it.
First all of Quantic's employees claim that they are "unpaid volunteers" who are not really affiliated with Simon. (Obviously to dodge blame for Hyun's incident)
Now they claim that Simon owes them money?
Lmao it seems like ALL of Quantic's employees are scumbags.
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United Kingdom20275 Posts
On January 03 2014 02:28 SixStrings wrote:
Feels like everything is going to shit in SC2.
Was there always that much bad stuff, or is it just that there isn't anything to distract us from it?
I can't remember what that Philippines tournament was called, but we've had similar events before 
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 05:34 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
First all of Quantic's employees claim that they are "unpaid volunteers"
No, that never happened. Most =/= all
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Can't you like report it to the union?
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On January 03 2014 05:34 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
I don't get it.
First all of Quantic's employees claim that they are "unpaid volunteers" who are not really affiliated with Simon. (Obviously to dodge blame for Hyun's incident)
Now they claim that Simon owes them money?
Lmao it seems like ALL of Quantic's employees are scumbags.
I'll admit I haven't been following this saga too closely, but somehow I really doubt the team's COO ever claimed to be an unpaid volunteer.
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United States12 Posts
On January 03 2014 05:28 iMrising wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 05:19 Caihead wrote:On January 03 2014 05:05 elfonse wrote:On January 03 2014 04:59 TAMinator wrote:
What if the CEO died of lung cancer? you dont simply vanish off the radar one day if you were dying of lung cancer. You would if you are losing money rapidly from an enterprise that's providing you no revenue with out deep pockets, and then realize the huge potential medical costs in order to live. I hope to god this is not actually the case. that was exactly what I was thinking. That might actually be the worst possible situation.
I really hope this Simon guy is telling the truth or that his quote about having a lump on his lung was misquoted but as someone who's significant other is a doctor with a background in cancer treatment his statement just sounds like BS. If you have a lump on your lung that a doctor feels is cancerous #1 they would not use the word cancer before the diagnosis and if they were truly worried about it they would have the test results back in a short time frame...He would not be waiting on the results for long.
His statement of having a lump on his lung and the doctors think its probably cancer sounds to me like someone who is not educated on the subject and wants people to believe something that isn't true.
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On January 03 2014 05:38 -niL wrote:
Can't you like report it to the union?
What union is that?
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Would it matter even if he was suffering from cancer? You don't lie and mislead people for half a year and then run off with $40k. People die all the time, living in horrible circumstances, and they usually aren't as lucky to be a rich person living off their parent's inheritence.
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