EPTQuantic CEO accused of owing $40,000 to staff - Page 2
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On January 03 2014 02:10 iamho wrote: Where I live, its a criminal offense not to fulfill wage obligations. If that's true in Canada, they should make a complaint and get the government to hunt down this clown. Given how badly organised it seems to be, it may be that there are no wage obligations. The contracts probably aren't worth the paper they are written on, although you would be able to go to court and argue that there was constructive obligation, but that would just mean more expense and time to get it sorted. Not saying that some of these people don't deserve to get paid, just that it probably won't be as easy as a normal employment dispute due to the fact the whole team seems to have been a bit of a mess. (Also, these two marketing guys who say they are owed $13k and also say the whole marketing thing was a disaster... what did they do to earn their $13k because they make it seem like it wasn't marketing...) | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On January 03 2014 02:09 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: so fucking pathetic. running away for what?? 40 k$?? pretty sure he didn't have all the sum and the decision to go under was because he wasted money already and couldn't make ends meet. | ||
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Rickyvalle21
United States320 Posts
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of? Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? Who the #@$% came up with those illogical laws for our western world? | ||
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do? Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of? Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? Who the #@$% came up with those illogical laws for our western world? Do you have the money and will to do so? | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do? Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of? Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. | ||
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Quakie
Norway725 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote: The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. That's just it, the industry is still going through infancy. Things like this were bound to happen and will help mold policy going forward. I use "help" loosely, this is obviously a shitty situation, but this is the way things are done in many industries, scandals happen which lead to new policies, insurance requirements, etc. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do? Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of? Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? Who the #@$% came up with those illogical laws for our western world? The people we voted for duh! | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439685¤tpage=27#529 | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote: The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. How about someone just goes to the police and files a criminal case? It's pretty easy to find someone if you let the people with government databases do it. That is assuming you have some sort of written proof of the guy owing you money, which is usually pretty freaking unlikely considering the e-sports world seems to be run by people with the business sense of teenagers, Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote: Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: So now we do new tournament for staff like there is tournament for hyun? And next time again when this happens to new player? Next time someone who's played Starcraft for eight years and is almost universally loved as a great player and entertainer gets screwed out of $23.000 by his manager who then takes off, something like this might come together. If you feel like it's needed, you could organise it for whomever. It just so happened that the community and Hyun's friends were especially eager to help him in this case. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote: No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. Sorry you are correct. Misread the earnings website. Even so, he should have banked at least 60-80k over the course of his career. How can he not have the money to hire a lawyer? I have no idea on the canadian legal system but it struck me as being pretty similar to the EU system. Lawyers and trials can cost a decent amount, and you're never guaranteed to get the any amount back, but how is it right to collect money from people with less money than you to pursue legal action for something that's at least to some extent his own fault for not taking care of his own business. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do? Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of? Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? Who the #@$% came up with those illogical laws for our western world? So you probably know pretty well what the hell is wrong with laws and can enlighten us with some quotes? Or are you just blaming the laws because life is not exactly the fairytale it should be? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18669 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:54 Derez wrote: Sorry you are correct. Misread the earnings website. Even so, he should have banked at least 60-80k over the course of his career. How can he not have the money to hire a lawyer? I have no idea on the canadian legal system but it struck me as being pretty similar to the EU system. Lawyers and trials can cost a decent amount, and you're never guaranteed to get the any amount back, but how is it right to collect money from people with less money than you to pursue legal action for something that's at least to some extent his own fault for not taking care of his own business. majority of people in the world don't save up | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
I'm far from any law expert mind you and speaking totally anecdotally, but if this Simon guy cheated out a bunch of people then a join lawsuit of multiple individuals seem much more feasible. At the very least, it's better than having Hyun who isn't fluent in English file his own. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote: No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. People need to understand that law is not magic and can't make money appear from nowhere. And generally courts are not in the business of garnishing people's wages to force them to pay funds they owe. Also, in the America court system, if Simon had no money to give, he could just declare bankruptcy and resolve the debt dispute that way. Courts are not magic and generally it is not worth suing an individual to try and get your money back. | ||
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