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Hey guys,
my name is Terry and I translate sometimes.
I'm really excited for Proleague and I was waiting for the matches to start,
then I saw this post from Byung-Hun, Jun, the head of KeSPA (I don't know how else to call it lol)
(source:http://pgr21.com/pb/pb.php?id=free2&no=53117)
I'm on break, I have nothing to do, so I decided to roughly translate this for you guys.
He talks about how important for this season to be successful for KeSPA as well as some other things.
I'm sorry for the blatant grammatical errors that I made on the translation.
Anyway, here is the original,
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안녕하세요? PGR21 회원 여러분,
한국e스포츠협회 회장을 맡고 있는 전병헌 입니다.
인사가 많이 늦었죠?
저도 PGR 글쓰기 버튼의 무게를 충분히 알고 있기 때문에 그 동안 눈팅만 하다 처음으로 협회 아이디로 인사 드립니다.
(새로이 가입을 하고자 했으나, 협회장인만큼 협회 아이디를 통해 글을 남기는 것이 좋다는 의견을 받아들여 협회 아이디로 글을 남깁니다.)
요즘 "안녕들하십니까"라는 대자보가 사회적으로 큰 반향을 일으키고 있습니다.
사실 협회의 프로리그도 안녕하지 못했던 것이 사실 입니다.
지난 시즌 결승. 협회가 참 많이 투자했고, 많은 분들이 현장에서 함께 감동을 했었습니다.
그러나 이후 모기업의 사정으로 우승팀과 준우승팀이 해체됐고, <스타2>팀들이 구조조정을 겪어야 했습니다.
오늘 개막하는 2014시즌 프로리그가 개최되기까지 정말 많은 우여곡절이 있었습니다.
협회가 그동안 닫혀있던 모든 문을 열었고, 구단들과도 많은 소통을 지속했습니다.
넥슨과 스포티비에도 투자를 요청했고, 고맙게도 '넥슨 아레나'와 '스포티비 게임즈'가 어제 탄생했습니다.
어떻게하면 더 많은 팀과 선수들이 함께 프로리그를 함께 할 수 있을지에 대해 끊임없이 노력했고,
방송 시간과 일시, 방식을 선정하는데도 다양한 주체들의 의견을 우선 수렴하여 선정하였습니다.
(부족한 부분들은 라운드를 시작할 때 마다 보완할 수 있도록 유연한 자세 견지하겠습니다.)
협회가 연간 사업중 가장 많은 투자를 하는 곳이 프로리그 입니다.
(협회 재정 악화의 주범이기도 합니다.)
투자가 많이 이뤄지는 만큼 여러가지 준비도 많이 했습니다.
PGR21 회원 여러분,
협회장으로서 프로리그를 부탁드립니다.
현장에 많이 찾아주십시오.
여러분께서 많이 찾아올 수 있도록 다양한 이벤트도 상시 준비하겠습니다.
(특히, 개막전 오늘 많은 선물들 있다고 합니다. 오늘 저녁 놀러오세요.)
저도 틈나는 대로 현장을 찾아서, 여러분과 호흡하겠습니다.
(오늘 개막전은 스포티비게임즈 요청으로 저는 현장 응원 못갑니다.
어제 개국해서 오늘 개막하는데 팬들을 위한 이벤트에 모든 역량을 쏟겠다고 하네요.
저는 1월 관람객이 조금 적을 것 같은 날 관람가겠습니다.)
돌아보면 지난 1년 숨가쁘게 뛰어온 것 같습니다.
1월 한국e스포츠협회장에 추대되고, 산적한 숙제들 해결하기 위해 부단히 노력했습니다만,
(*네이베 e스포츠 페이지, 롤드컵 개최, 8게임단 문제, 정식체육화, 예산 확보 등등)
제5기 협회의 1년에 대한 PGR회원들의 평가는 어떤지 궁금하네요.
2014년에는 PGR 회원 여러분과 더 깊이 함께 호흡하고 싶습니다.
여러분의 응원과 성원이 없었다면 2013년 협회가 이뤄낸 성과들도 없었을 것이라 생각합니다.
연말 정치현안 시계는 참 어둡습니다만,
(오늘도 많은 일정이 있네요.)
e스포츠의 시계는 한층 밝다는 것에 위안을 삼아봅니다.
협회장으로서 여러분께 약속할 수 있는 것은
2014년 한국e스포츠의 시계는 더욱 밝을 것이고,
여러분이 즐길수 있는 축제의 현장은 더 많아질 것 입니다.
내년에는 더 많은 현장에서 여러분과 만나고 싶습니다.
연말 프로리그와 함께 즐겁게 보내시고,
내년 프로리그 현장에서 만나요! 감사합니다.
Here's the translation:
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Hello PGR21 readers,
I am Byung-Hun, Jun, the chairman of KeSPA.
I apologize for the late introductions.
I know the weight of importance in writing in PGR21,
so I am using the KeSPA ID to say hi.
During the last season of Proleague finals, KeSPA has invested a lot of time and money, and we were impressed by how many people showed up to the finals.
But after the disbandment of the winnning team as well as the runner up, the remaining Starcraft II teams had to go under a lot of restructuring.
We had to go through a lot to make the 2014 Proleague happen.
KeSPA had to reopen a lot of our old connections, and we were in constant communications with the remaining teams.
I requested Nexon and SPOTV to invest, and thankfully, 'Nexon Arena' and 'SPOTV Games' was born.
We constantly tried to think of the ways to involve as many players and teams to Proleague as much as possible.
Broadcast times and Proleague structure was decided after very careful considerations.
(We will try to address any tournament issues after each rounds.)
KeSPA invests the most into Proleague each year.
(That is also why KeSPA is not doing so well financially)
Since there are a lot of investments, we have also prepared a lot.
PGR21/Starcraft II community,
I humbly bring you Proleague as the chairman of KeSPA.
Please show up to the venue.
We will also try to prepare many events to encourage this.
(I hear there will be especially many gifts tonight. Show up and have fun tonight)
I will also try to show up as much as possible and cheer with you.
Looking back, I think I have worked tiredlessly over the past year.
After being appointed this January, I have tried to achieve many things.
(Opening Naver eSports page, hosting LoL World Championship, Team 8th sponsorship, solving financial issues, applying to Sports Accord etc.)
I wonder how you guys (PGR community)* will evaluate our(KeSPA) performance later on.
I want to be more open and communicate with the community in the coming year of 2014.
I believe that without your support, that none of this would have been possible.
Even though there seems to be dark times ahead politically**,
I take comfort in the fact that eSports future seem a lot brighter.
As the head of KeSPA,
I promise you that in 2014, the Korean eSports will grow,
and there will be a lot more live events for the fans to enjoy.
I want to meet you in a lot more live events in the coming year.
I hope you guys enjoy the Proleague,
and I will see you at the Proleague venue next year!
Thank you.
*When he talks about PGR community, I want you guys to take it as the SCII community as a whole.
**I think he’s talking about how the government is trying to privatize healthcare in Korea right now and that is causing a lot of unrest in Korea.
edit: Arvick Hero points out that it is due to related conservative campaign to restrict gaming and that makes a lot more sense.
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thank you for the translation
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Nice to see you around again Terry! Thanks for the translate 
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Anyway, sounds like proleague is not in a good spot 
Keep it going~!
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Its nice of him to address the fans like he is, but the letter seems rather somber, or maybe its just the translation. i dunno, but i hope everything works out for KESPA, I like proleague, and would like to keep it.
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On December 29 2013 18:04 Josh_Video wrote:
Its nice of him to address the fans like he is, but the letter seems rather somber, or maybe its just the translation. i dunno, but i hope everything works out for KESPA, I like proleague, and would like to keep it.
I think the letter had a very gloomy tone in general.
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Its really not looking good for the scene when we consider how horrible of a state gstl is in right now and pl isn't really doing great unless this season we see something major happened.
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Thanks! By the way, what's happening with the LOL PL?
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On December 29 2013 18:08 ETisME wrote:
Its really not looking good for the scene when we consider how horrible of a state gstl is in right now and pl isn't really doing great unless this season we see something major happened.
Korean community has the similar sentiment. From what I have seen, Korean fans are coming to realization that this Proleague might be in its last season.
It's really sad to see it go, but I think we should at least give it a farewell it deserves by giving it the attention it deserves.
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On December 29 2013 18:09 PVJ wrote:
Thanks! By the way, what's happening with the LOL PL?
I don't follow much LoL to know, but I think OGN is banking on LoL Proleague to do well, at least break even, due to its popularity. (Koreans nicknamed OGN LoLgamenet)
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Jun Byunghun has done really well and achieved a lot in a short period of time. He did his best and if it doesn't work out, it certainly won't be through any fault of his.
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That seems like a really honest letter, I liked it, I hope Proleague succeeds, will tune in as much as I can :D
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Be prepared for an other round of community shaming if this proleague isn't a success. It will be all our fault guys, not blizzard's.
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Well SC2 needs to be better first if we want ppl to watch it. Blizzard is really slow with patch 2.1 btw.
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isn't the political trouble more related to conservative campaign to restrict gaming and label it as one of society's sins or smth
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On December 29 2013 18:11 hjkim1304 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2013 18:08 ETisME wrote:
Its really not looking good for the scene when we consider how horrible of a state gstl is in right now and pl isn't really doing great unless this season we see something major happened. Korean community has the similar sentiment. From what I have seen, Korean fans are coming to realization that this Proleague might be in its last season. It's really sad to see it go, but I think we should at least give it a farewell it deserves by giving it the attention it deserves.
Its weird considering how many fans soo drawn in the gsl final but yet hardly any one turned up for their pl games
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Is he the kickass KeSPA chairman who also did this cosplay? That guy is just amazing.
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make or break... good luck to PL...
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I hope PL2014 will be a success - I for one am really looking forward to it and will watch as often as I can.
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Thanks for the translate, I think the Proleague will be great, telling ALL my non starcraft playing friends about it to raise that viewer count!
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I promise I will treat proleague like my baby :'D
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Good news! We have a pretty good turn out for the first day of Proleague! I hope it continues
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KeSPA hello U hav made improvements to many progamers life's and I believe under the current heads' leadership U will bring more respect to the korean scene
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We constantly tried to think of the ways to involve as many players and teams to Proleague as much as possible.
So they made the Bo7s from last season Bo5s? D:
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Thanks for the translation ^.^
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Thanks for the translation.
Let's all make this Proleague the best ever and watch all them gamez!
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Thanks Terry. I really appreciate Kespa's continued involvement in SC when they could easily just drop it completely.
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Things won't be getting any better Terry in terms of the numbers from the last season to this season with regards to SC2.
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Please subscribe, tweet and what else to support them! We need to keep Proleague going!
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On December 29 2013 20:13 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +We constantly tried to think of the ways to involve as many players and teams to Proleague as much as possible. So they made the Bo7s from last season Bo5s? D:
Well from the looks of it some of the teams can barely field enough quality players for a bo5. Probably don't want to decrease the quality of games too much by adding even more spots.
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looked pretty good today, i thought. except the ace booth i guess lol.
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anyone knows when they will open the kespa shop?
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#FREETERRY
If Kespa shop opens I am going to buy a lot
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On December 29 2013 23:10 1015Fan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2013 20:13 Elite_ wrote:We constantly tried to think of the ways to involve as many players and teams to Proleague as much as possible. So they made the Bo7s from last season Bo5s? D: Well from the looks of it some of the teams can barely field enough quality players for a bo5. Probably don't want to decrease the quality of games too much by adding even more spots.
I'm fairly sure no team actually enjoys BO5 better than BO7 and that they just needed a more managable format for television broadcasting.
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i think the letter speaks volumes in honesty. it's gloomy because well it's a time of struggle, but the better word to describe it is hopeful. optimistic but at the same time realistic about what is happening.
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Suggestion: set up the "at least one player of each race" rule to boost the audience.
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+1 to KeSPA shop!
KeSPA is doing a great job. Only thing wrong is that the game can't sustain itself in Korea at the moment. I noticed that there were drinks and pizza there tonight. Sad to see that SC2 needs these "incentives" for people to go watch.
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On December 29 2013 23:48 TheDwf wrote:
Suggestion: set up the "at least one player of each race" rule to boost the audience.
That won't change anything like I said before. It will be the same audience.
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On December 30 2013 00:07 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2013 23:48 TheDwf wrote:
Suggestion: set up the "at least one player of each race" rule to boost the audience. That won't change anything like I said before. It will be the same audience.
Perhaps for the venue, but not for the streams.
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Today was a great opening day. Hopefully this season will be more of a success than the previous. I know I'm very excited for all the great games to come.
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On December 30 2013 00:10 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:07 StarStruck wrote:On December 29 2013 23:48 TheDwf wrote:
Suggestion: set up the "at least one player of each race" rule to boost the audience. That won't change anything like I said before. It will be the same audience. Perhaps for the venue, but not for the streams.
what? the stream numbers are what is consistent.
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On December 30 2013 00:13 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:10 TheDwf wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 StarStruck wrote:On December 29 2013 23:48 TheDwf wrote:
Suggestion: set up the "at least one player of each race" rule to boost the audience. That won't change anything like I said before. It will be the same audience. Perhaps for the venue, but not for the streams. what? the stream numbers are what is consistent.
Well, it's the beginning of the season.
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On December 30 2013 00:07 purakushi wrote:+1 to KeSPA shop! KeSPA is doing a great job. Only thing wrong is that the game can't sustain itself in Korea at the moment. I noticed that there were drinks and pizza there tonight. Sad to see that SC2 needs these "incentives" for people to go watch.
I'm pretty sure the free stuff isn't limited to SC2 in Korea
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the quality for foreigns is just so much lower then gstl ... not even seeing the casters, the ingame sound way higher then the caster voices ... its just like a "light" gstl with better teams also the missing of startale etc doesnt help it much ...
and then the fact that the most people not like kespa ^^
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On December 30 2013 00:25 Drake wrote:the quality for foreigns is just so much lower then gstl ... not even seeing the casters, the ingame sound way higher then the caster voices ... its just like a "light" gstl with better teams also the missing of startale etc doesnt help it much ... and then the fact that the most people not like kespa ^^
Aside from the sound I was actually very pleasantly surprised by the production quality. I don't even think GSTL's production was that great, but that might just be taste.
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On December 30 2013 00:25 Drake wrote:the quality for foreigns is just so much lower then gstl ... not even seeing the casters, the ingame sound way higher then the caster voices ... its just like a "light" gstl with better teams also the missing of startale etc doesnt help it much ...
That's selling Proleague incredibly short. It's a new venue with new casters and (presumably, given that PL is now run by Spotv Games or whatever) new people. The game sounds were too loud for a game or two, but besides that the production was, in my opinion (and I seem to recall most posters agreeing in LR) top-notch.
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On December 30 2013 00:16 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:13 StarStruck wrote:On December 30 2013 00:10 TheDwf wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 StarStruck wrote:On December 29 2013 23:48 TheDwf wrote:
Suggestion: set up the "at least one player of each race" rule to boost the audience. That won't change anything like I said before. It will be the same audience. Perhaps for the venue, but not for the streams. what? the stream numbers are what is consistent. Well, it's the beginning of the season.
The numbers for these leagues have been consistent for a long time man. There won't be much change.
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On December 30 2013 00:30 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:16 TheDwf wrote:On December 30 2013 00:13 StarStruck wrote:On December 30 2013 00:10 TheDwf wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 StarStruck wrote:On December 29 2013 23:48 TheDwf wrote:
Suggestion: set up the "at least one player of each race" rule to boost the audience. That won't change anything like I said before. It will be the same audience. Perhaps for the venue, but not for the streams. what? the stream numbers are what is consistent. Well, it's the beginning of the season. The numbers for these leagues have been consistent for a long time man. There won't be much change.
Growth has to happen somehow. Accommodating the viewers is better than not doing so, wouldn't you agree?
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Btw, I really don't like this idea that growing ProLeague has to mean growing SC2 and that vice versa the state of ProLeague speaks for the whole state of SC2.
There's still plenty of room for PL to grow within the existing SC2 community, even without getting a single new person into watching SC2. ProLeague can at least rise to the popularity/hype level of GSL/WCS or something, which I'm sure would help them out quite a bit, and it doesn't seem impossible for them to do this.
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On December 30 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:07 purakushi wrote:+1 to KeSPA shop! KeSPA is doing a great job. Only thing wrong is that the game can't sustain itself in Korea at the moment. I noticed that there were drinks and pizza there tonight. Sad to see that SC2 needs these "incentives" for people to go watch. I'm pretty sure the free stuff isn't limited to SC2 in Korea
Just saying that viewers need incentive to watch SC2. Sure, LoL has free stuff of its own, but does it need them for viewers? Nope.
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On December 30 2013 00:36 UmberBane wrote:
Btw, I really don't like this idea that growing ProLeague has to mean growing SC2 and that vice versa the state of ProLeague speaks for the whole state of SC2.
There's still plenyt of room for PL to grow within the existing SC2 community, even without getting a single new person into watching SC2. ProLeague can at least rise to the popularity/hype level of GSL/WCS or something, which I'm sure would help them out quite a bit, and it doesn't seem impossible for them to do this.
I think for Korea in particular, Proleague's success is (everything is relative) closely tied to the success of Starcraft II. It's not the only factor at all, but it's a lot more important than Iron Squid for example was to the foreign community, given its history and prestige and the sponsor exposure for the teams involved that are pumping money into the scene. On the whole, it works differently from the foreign scene.
On December 30 2013 00:37 purakushi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 purakushi wrote:+1 to KeSPA shop! KeSPA is doing a great job. Only thing wrong is that the game can't sustain itself in Korea at the moment. I noticed that there were drinks and pizza there tonight. Sad to see that SC2 needs these "incentives" for people to go watch. I'm pretty sure the free stuff isn't limited to SC2 in Korea Keyword "needs". LoL has plenty of free stuff, but does it need them for viewers? Nope.
And I suppose you know that the people who came to PL today came only for the free stuff, and that the people who come to watch LoL don't come for the free stuff? Come on.
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On December 30 2013 00:32 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:30 StarStruck wrote:On December 30 2013 00:16 TheDwf wrote:On December 30 2013 00:13 StarStruck wrote:On December 30 2013 00:10 TheDwf wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 StarStruck wrote:On December 29 2013 23:48 TheDwf wrote:
Suggestion: set up the "at least one player of each race" rule to boost the audience. That won't change anything like I said before. It will be the same audience. Perhaps for the venue, but not for the streams. what? the stream numbers are what is consistent. Well, it's the beginning of the season. The numbers for these leagues have been consistent for a long time man. There won't be much change. Growth has to happen somehow. Accommodating the viewers is better than not doing so, wouldn't you agree?
What kind of growth are you expecting really?
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On December 30 2013 00:37 purakushi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 purakushi wrote:+1 to KeSPA shop! KeSPA is doing a great job. Only thing wrong is that the game can't sustain itself in Korea at the moment. I noticed that there were drinks and pizza there tonight. Sad to see that SC2 needs these "incentives" for people to go watch. I'm pretty sure the free stuff isn't limited to SC2 in Korea Keyword "needs". LoL has plenty of free stuff, but does it need them for viewers? Nope.
I don't even think he was hinting at LoL at all, but rather publishers like Nexon and others like to give out a lot of free stuff to draw in the crowd. When the GOM studio was packed with WoT or dota people, they gave out lots of free stuff at the same time. It's nothing unusual or something to be worried about.
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Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:37 purakushi wrote:On December 30 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 purakushi wrote:+1 to KeSPA shop! KeSPA is doing a great job. Only thing wrong is that the game can't sustain itself in Korea at the moment. I noticed that there were drinks and pizza there tonight. Sad to see that SC2 needs these "incentives" for people to go watch. I'm pretty sure the free stuff isn't limited to SC2 in Korea Keyword "needs". LoL has plenty of free stuff, but does it need them for viewers? Nope. And I suppose you know that the people who came to PL today came only for the free stuff, and that the people who come to watch LoL don't come for the free stuff? Come on.
It's the combined package. Some viewers will definitely go watch SC2 purely for SC2. Others need more incentive to go outside of just watching the games.
Having said that, I'm glad that KeSPA/sponsors do all of this. I just want SC2 to sustain itself. KeSPA is investing and hoping in that sort of future.
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On December 30 2013 00:39 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:32 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 00:30 StarStruck wrote:On December 30 2013 00:16 TheDwf wrote:On December 30 2013 00:13 StarStruck wrote:On December 30 2013 00:10 TheDwf wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 StarStruck wrote:On December 29 2013 23:48 TheDwf wrote:
Suggestion: set up the "at least one player of each race" rule to boost the audience. That won't change anything like I said before. It will be the same audience. Perhaps for the venue, but not for the streams. what? the stream numbers are what is consistent. Well, it's the beginning of the season. The numbers for these leagues have been consistent for a long time man. There won't be much change. Growth has to happen somehow. Accommodating the viewers is better than not doing so, wouldn't you agree? What kind of growth are you expecting really?
I'm not saying I'm necessarily expecting any at all, but I'm certainly wondering whether you think accommodating the viewers unnecessary since that's what I get from your posts here. If growth were to happen, note the if, it's a lot more likely that it happens if the viewers feel that they're getting the best and the most entertaining rather than when they feel like they don't.
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On December 30 2013 00:41 purakushi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:37 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 00:37 purakushi wrote:On December 30 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 purakushi wrote:+1 to KeSPA shop! KeSPA is doing a great job. Only thing wrong is that the game can't sustain itself in Korea at the moment. I noticed that there were drinks and pizza there tonight. Sad to see that SC2 needs these "incentives" for people to go watch. I'm pretty sure the free stuff isn't limited to SC2 in Korea Keyword "needs". LoL has plenty of free stuff, but does it need them for viewers? Nope. And I suppose you know that the people who came to PL today came only for the free stuff, and that the people who come to watch LoL don't come for the free stuff? Come on. It's the combined package. Some viewers will definitely go to watch SC2 purely for SC2. Others need more incentive to go outside of just watching the games.
And do you think this is limited to Starcraft? From what I saw today (especially when Kal played and won), the audience was super hyped. I don't think they were faking that, which leads me to believe that the majority of the audience cared about the games.
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Honestly guys, comparing SC2 to LoL is just plain stupid at this point. Why would you compare SC2, which we know is struggling, to the mindboggingly dominating favourite game of the Koreans these days? It almost feels like self loathing SC2 bashing for the sake of being negative.
Please can we just look at SC2 on its own and not compare it to another game just because there was a rivarly between these 2 years ago? I'm so tired of that.
I don't know if anyone is familiar with that, but it feels like fucking Dave Mustaine always chasing Metallica's popularity for the sake of an old rivalry, and consequently never being satisfied with his own success, which was still amazing if you just look at it by itself. That's what this reminds me of. 
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On December 30 2013 00:44 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:41 purakushi wrote:On December 30 2013 00:37 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 00:37 purakushi wrote:On December 30 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 purakushi wrote:+1 to KeSPA shop! KeSPA is doing a great job. Only thing wrong is that the game can't sustain itself in Korea at the moment. I noticed that there were drinks and pizza there tonight. Sad to see that SC2 needs these "incentives" for people to go watch. I'm pretty sure the free stuff isn't limited to SC2 in Korea Keyword "needs". LoL has plenty of free stuff, but does it need them for viewers? Nope. And I suppose you know that the people who came to PL today came only for the free stuff, and that the people who come to watch LoL don't come for the free stuff? Come on. It's the combined package. Some viewers will definitely go to watch SC2 purely for SC2. Others need more incentive to go outside of just watching the games. And do you think this is limited to Starcraft? From what I saw today (especially when Kal played and won), the audience was super hyped. I don't think they were faking that, which leads me to believe that the majority of the audience cared about the games.
I'm not doubting that authenticity. All I am saying is that KeSPA is investing in SC2 before/now, so they (eventually) do not have to continuously dump money into it just to keep it at a remotely acceptable level. I hope that comes sooner rather than later that SC2 is worth it for them. Self-sustaining and hopefully self-growing.
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On December 30 2013 00:41 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 00:39 StarStruck wrote:On December 30 2013 00:32 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 00:30 StarStruck wrote:On December 30 2013 00:16 TheDwf wrote:On December 30 2013 00:13 StarStruck wrote:On December 30 2013 00:10 TheDwf wrote:On December 30 2013 00:07 StarStruck wrote:On December 29 2013 23:48 TheDwf wrote:
Suggestion: set up the "at least one player of each race" rule to boost the audience. That won't change anything like I said before. It will be the same audience. Perhaps for the venue, but not for the streams. what? the stream numbers are what is consistent. Well, it's the beginning of the season. The numbers for these leagues have been consistent for a long time man. There won't be much change. Growth has to happen somehow. Accommodating the viewers is better than not doing so, wouldn't you agree? What kind of growth are you expecting really? I'm not saying I'm necessarily expecting any at all, but I'm certainly wondering whether you think accommodating the viewers unnecessary since that's what I get from your posts here. If growth were to happen, note the if, it's a lot more likely that it happens if the viewers feel that they're getting the best and the most entertaining rather than when they feel like they don't.
So, you're talking about accommodating those who are already invested in the game. I hope they aren't as dependent on new growth as they make it sound. Will people check out the Nexon facilities? Surely, but if there is one thing that is consistent about our audience it's those stream numbers. That's what you have to work with and I have a very hard time believing those numbers will go over the top anytime soon. It's been the status quo for a while, event to event based off the different variables.
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How are HD passes for this season working? I couldn't find any info on it from the other TL threads. I bought the $5 HD pass last year without much of a thought, if it's a similar price I'd definitely buy.
EDIT: Sorry to drag this off-topic, I meant this to be about supporting PL. The twitch channel says I'm still subscribed but iirc last year was a one time payment and I haven't been charged again?
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On December 29 2013 23:41 lichter wrote:
#FREETERRY
If Kespa shop opens I am going to buy a lot
I know. I've been dying for a KT Jacket.
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On December 30 2013 01:40 HeavenResign wrote:
How are HD passes for this season working? I couldn't find any info on it from the other TL threads. I bought the $5 HD pass last year without much of a thought, if it's a similar price I'd definitely buy.
EDIT: Sorry to drag this off-topic, I meant this to be about supporting PL. The twitch channel says I'm still subscribed but iirc last year was a one time payment and I haven't been charged again?
The subs from last year still stand, but there is nothing special for them - basically everything is free now.
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On December 30 2013 01:56 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 01:40 HeavenResign wrote:
How are HD passes for this season working? I couldn't find any info on it from the other TL threads. I bought the $5 HD pass last year without much of a thought, if it's a similar price I'd definitely buy.
EDIT: Sorry to drag this off-topic, I meant this to be about supporting PL. The twitch channel says I'm still subscribed but iirc last year was a one time payment and I haven't been charged again? The subs from last year still stand, but there is nothing special for them - basically everything is free now.
Hmm alright. Is there anything foreigners can do to support PL then? I watch VODs but if I'm not getting any ads since I'm subscribed from last year I'm not sure how that helps then haha.
Thank you!
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On December 30 2013 01:52 GinDo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2013 23:41 lichter wrote:
#FREETERRY
If Kespa shop opens I am going to buy a lot I know. I've been dying for a KT Jacket.
GIEV KT JACKET PLZ
Considering how the sales of Ronaldo's Real Madrid shirt got them enough money to cover his transfer costs I'm amazed it's so hard to get some damn eSports clothing.
We have TL doing it and some other teams but for the Korean teams it's so hard to get any merchandise. I really think they're dropping the ball here. Besides income it's one of the best "free" marketing when people are walking around in eSports jackets or something like that considering you're actually selling the stuff.
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I am excited. If yesterday showed us anything, I think this season will be one of the best!
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i feel lika kespa is desperate and the whole organization to me feels like its a few people who are trying to make alot of money
corruption
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They should really renew the sub, I'd gladly pay 5 or 10 bucks again to support them.
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On December 30 2013 02:32 ftjust wrote:
i feel lika kespa is desperate and the whole organization to me feels like its a few people who are trying to make alot of money
corruption
They're trying to keep a league alive for a game that has a <1% marketshare (with no signs of it growing in popularity) and you think 'corruption' is the problem? Sure.
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I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike.
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I dunno but actually that season opening went beyond my expectations. Im talking about the crowd in the first place (and also production). So hyped and so sincerely involved (Kal appearanse/his play/celebration etc). And overall. Gives me hope!
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On December 30 2013 02:57 Estancia wrote:
I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike.
Business-wise, SpoTV and GOM needs to partner up to broadcast GSL on SpoTV in order to reach a larger audience.
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On December 30 2013 03:01 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 02:57 Estancia wrote:
I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike. Business-wise, SpoTV and GOM needs to partner up to broadcast GSL on SpoTV in order to reach a larger audience.
Best would be eSF and KeSPA joining forces.
Startale and the rest of eSF teams join Proleague. Proleague is run by SpoTV, broadcasted by SpoTV, casted by casters from GomTV for both English and Korean (I watched the Korean stream and seems like they don't like the new korean casters due to inexperience). GomTV runs GSL, SpoTV helps broadcast it within Korea, through both youtube, Korean websites and streaming sites like afreeca and naver, and also through TV.
Also, SpoTV running their own individual league once in a while will also help korean scene a lot more.
The only problem is I see very small chance of this happening.
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Appreciate the translation. I'm very excited for SPL this year
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On December 30 2013 03:06 Estancia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On December 30 2013 02:57 Estancia wrote:
I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike. Business-wise, SpoTV and GOM needs to partner up to broadcast GSL on SpoTV in order to reach a larger audience. Best would be eSF and KeSPA joining forces. Startale and the rest of eSF teams join Proleague. Proleague is run by SpoTV, broadcasted by SpoTV, casted by casters from GomTV for both English and Korean (I watched the Korean stream and seems like they don't like the new korean casters due to inexperience). GomTV runs GSL, SpoTV helps broadcast it within Korea, through both youtube, Korean websites and streaming sites like afreeca and naver, and also through TV. Also, SpoTV running their own individual league once in a while will also help korean scene a lot more. The only problem is I see very small chance of this happening.
They are former MBC guys + Canata. And they already did last year of SC2 Proleague. Lack of experience is the last thing you can say abou them.
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Ultimately if you truly believe that sc2 is an awesome game, you shouldnt be worried at all. If a game is good enough, fans will show up.
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On December 30 2013 03:16 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 03:06 Estancia wrote:On December 30 2013 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On December 30 2013 02:57 Estancia wrote:
I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike. Business-wise, SpoTV and GOM needs to partner up to broadcast GSL on SpoTV in order to reach a larger audience. Best would be eSF and KeSPA joining forces. Startale and the rest of eSF teams join Proleague. Proleague is run by SpoTV, broadcasted by SpoTV, casted by casters from GomTV for both English and Korean (I watched the Korean stream and seems like they don't like the new korean casters due to inexperience). GomTV runs GSL, SpoTV helps broadcast it within Korea, through both youtube, Korean websites and streaming sites like afreeca and naver, and also through TV. Also, SpoTV running their own individual league once in a while will also help korean scene a lot more. The only problem is I see very small chance of this happening. They are former MBC guys + Canata. And they already did last year of SC2 Proleague. Lack of experience is the last thing you can say abou them.
Idk there were plenty of complaints on the korean stream that the commentary sucked though.
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It did seem quite ... honest but couldn't that be a cultural thing, always being humble and things like that which isn't something you see very often in the western countries.
On December 30 2013 02:48 OblivionMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 02:32 ftjust wrote:
i feel lika kespa is desperate and the whole organization to me feels like its a few people who are trying to make alot of money
corruption They're trying to keep a league alive for a game that has a <1% marketshare (with no signs of it growing in popularity) and you think 'corruption' is the problem? Sure.
Source? I love seeing numers like this
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On December 30 2013 03:20 Xiphos wrote:
Ultimately if you truly believe that sc2 is an awesome game, you shouldnt be worried at all. If a game is good enough, fans will show up.
Is this another one of your passive aggressive shots at SC2? Most businesses don't make decisions based off of faith and putting out a press release explaining the delay of proleague isn't a bad thing. Thanks to this letter, I caught a couple games this morning while cleaning up the house.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 30 2013 03:21 Estancia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 03:16 Ammanas wrote:On December 30 2013 03:06 Estancia wrote:On December 30 2013 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On December 30 2013 02:57 Estancia wrote:
I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike. Business-wise, SpoTV and GOM needs to partner up to broadcast GSL on SpoTV in order to reach a larger audience. Best would be eSF and KeSPA joining forces. Startale and the rest of eSF teams join Proleague. Proleague is run by SpoTV, broadcasted by SpoTV, casted by casters from GomTV for both English and Korean (I watched the Korean stream and seems like they don't like the new korean casters due to inexperience). GomTV runs GSL, SpoTV helps broadcast it within Korea, through both youtube, Korean websites and streaming sites like afreeca and naver, and also through TV. Also, SpoTV running their own individual league once in a while will also help korean scene a lot more. The only problem is I see very small chance of this happening. They are former MBC guys + Canata. And they already did last year of SC2 Proleague. Lack of experience is the last thing you can say abou them. Idk there were plenty of complaints on the korean stream that the commentary sucked though.
If the Korean fans are anything like the foreign fans when it comes to appreciation of casting, I don't think it matters who's casting because some people will hate it anyway
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Looking good so far. The production quality was top notch, the stream quality was great (was only watching youtube), wolf and new guy did a very good job aswell. It shows that they are making a real effort to make proleague more attractive and so far it is.
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On December 30 2013 03:32 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 03:21 Estancia wrote:On December 30 2013 03:16 Ammanas wrote:On December 30 2013 03:06 Estancia wrote:On December 30 2013 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On December 30 2013 02:57 Estancia wrote:
I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike. Business-wise, SpoTV and GOM needs to partner up to broadcast GSL on SpoTV in order to reach a larger audience. Best would be eSF and KeSPA joining forces. Startale and the rest of eSF teams join Proleague. Proleague is run by SpoTV, broadcasted by SpoTV, casted by casters from GomTV for both English and Korean (I watched the Korean stream and seems like they don't like the new korean casters due to inexperience). GomTV runs GSL, SpoTV helps broadcast it within Korea, through both youtube, Korean websites and streaming sites like afreeca and naver, and also through TV. Also, SpoTV running their own individual league once in a while will also help korean scene a lot more. The only problem is I see very small chance of this happening. They are former MBC guys + Canata. And they already did last year of SC2 Proleague. Lack of experience is the last thing you can say abou them. Idk there were plenty of complaints on the korean stream that the commentary sucked though. If the Korean fans are anything like the foreign fans when it comes to appreciation of casting, I don't think it matters who's casting because some people will hate it anyway
Well, netizens can be even worse (like, really bad) unless you're someone like Boxer/Flash/Faker/Madlife
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Hey I wished somehow 2 v 2 is implemented . . .
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On December 30 2013 02:48 OblivionMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 02:32 ftjust wrote:
i feel lika kespa is desperate and the whole organization to me feels like its a few people who are trying to make alot of money
corruption They're trying to keep a league alive for a game that has a <1% marketshare (with no signs of it growing in popularity) and you think 'corruption' is the problem? Sure.
I like how you make stuff up to strengthen your "point".
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No idea how he came up with that number, but it can't be very far off, since if you look at the top 10 pc bang games, the 10th placed game has 1,7% share. So, Starcraft2 has to be somewhere below that, at least at pc bangs, which of course isn't everything. No idea about the actualy number, though.
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On December 30 2013 03:48 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 02:48 OblivionMage wrote:On December 30 2013 02:32 ftjust wrote:
i feel lika kespa is desperate and the whole organization to me feels like its a few people who are trying to make alot of money
corruption They're trying to keep a league alive for a game that has a <1% marketshare (with no signs of it growing in popularity) and you think 'corruption' is the problem? Sure. I like how you make stuff up to strengthen your "point".
I know, its clear that SC2 makes up 31.8576% of the market share of Esports in total. I don't know where he is getting such a low number.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 30 2013 05:45 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 03:48 Zenbrez wrote:On December 30 2013 02:48 OblivionMage wrote:On December 30 2013 02:32 ftjust wrote:
i feel lika kespa is desperate and the whole organization to me feels like its a few people who are trying to make alot of money
corruption They're trying to keep a league alive for a game that has a <1% marketshare (with no signs of it growing in popularity) and you think 'corruption' is the problem? Sure. I like how you make stuff up to strengthen your "point". I know, its clear that SC2 makes up 31.8576% of the market share of Esports in total. I don't know where he is getting such a low number.
I'm not sure but I think he means in Korea overall (ie how many people play it), not just in esports and certainly not internationally. Even so, <1% sounds unlikely when there are supposed to be some 50,000 accounts on KR ladder altogether
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On December 30 2013 05:49 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 05:45 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2013 03:48 Zenbrez wrote:On December 30 2013 02:48 OblivionMage wrote:On December 30 2013 02:32 ftjust wrote:
i feel lika kespa is desperate and the whole organization to me feels like its a few people who are trying to make alot of money
corruption They're trying to keep a league alive for a game that has a <1% marketshare (with no signs of it growing in popularity) and you think 'corruption' is the problem? Sure. I like how you make stuff up to strengthen your "point". I know, its clear that SC2 makes up 31.8576% of the market share of Esports in total. I don't know where he is getting such a low number. I'm not sure but I think he means in Korea overall (ie how many people play it), not just in esports and certainly not internationally. Even so, <1% sounds unlikely when there are supposed to be some 50,000 accounts on KR ladder altogether
Most popular pc bang list every month. SC2 is less than 1%. Esports in korea is very advanced, they have all the polling ratings like we do for television. Lots of data available for sponsors. Surprisingly wc3 (prolly dota) and BW is still respectable 3%+ each. The big winner is ofc lol with around 35%.
Kespa is just hanging on to proleague for nostalgia sake. It is afterall the grandfather of esports. Sadly its time really seems to be fading replaced by ughhh lol leagues. These days they jokingly call ogn lolgamenet.
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On December 30 2013 06:05 Kheve wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 05:49 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 05:45 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2013 03:48 Zenbrez wrote:On December 30 2013 02:48 OblivionMage wrote:On December 30 2013 02:32 ftjust wrote:
i feel lika kespa is desperate and the whole organization to me feels like its a few people who are trying to make alot of money
corruption They're trying to keep a league alive for a game that has a <1% marketshare (with no signs of it growing in popularity) and you think 'corruption' is the problem? Sure. I like how you make stuff up to strengthen your "point". I know, its clear that SC2 makes up 31.8576% of the market share of Esports in total. I don't know where he is getting such a low number. I'm not sure but I think he means in Korea overall (ie how many people play it), not just in esports and certainly not internationally. Even so, <1% sounds unlikely when there are supposed to be some 50,000 accounts on KR ladder altogether Most popular pc bang list every month. SC2 is less than 1%. Esports in korea is very advanced, they have all the polling ratings like we do for television. Lots of data available for sponsors. Surprisingly wc3 (prolly dota) and BW is still respectable 3%+ each. The big winner is ofc lol with around 35%. Kespa is just hanging on to proleague for nostalgia sake. It is afterall the grandfather of esports. Sadly its time really seems to be fading replaced by ughhh lol leagues. These days they jokingly call ogn lolgamenet.
I'm no expert on PC Bang culture so please educate me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the games that are free to play be much more popular because you don't need to pay for an account? With SC2, you've got to buy the game (with the spawning feature I guess only one of your friends do) and it's not too far-fetched to think that more people play SC2 from home compared to the people playing WC3 or BW because they can just go to a PC Bang and play, without paying for anything else. Or am I wrong?
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All I got from the letter is that KESPA invested a lot into Proleague and SC2 is dying.
Also isn't Korea looking to ban professional gaming? I swear I read that somewhere..
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Thanks for this. I'll make sure to log in to Proleague a lot more this season.
GL to all the teams and players.
Edit/ I'd also be more than willing to pay a small subscription (say for VODs etc).
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How do I watch English language vods of the proleague? Adding that information to the original post might help kespa out.
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On December 30 2013 03:20 Xiphos wrote:
Ultimately if you truly believe that sc2 is an awesome game, you shouldnt be worried at all. If a game is good enough, fans will show up.
You crack me up.
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On December 30 2013 06:13 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 06:05 Kheve wrote:On December 30 2013 05:49 Zealously wrote:On December 30 2013 05:45 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2013 03:48 Zenbrez wrote:On December 30 2013 02:48 OblivionMage wrote:On December 30 2013 02:32 ftjust wrote:
i feel lika kespa is desperate and the whole organization to me feels like its a few people who are trying to make alot of money
corruption They're trying to keep a league alive for a game that has a <1% marketshare (with no signs of it growing in popularity) and you think 'corruption' is the problem? Sure. I like how you make stuff up to strengthen your "point". I know, its clear that SC2 makes up 31.8576% of the market share of Esports in total. I don't know where he is getting such a low number. I'm not sure but I think he means in Korea overall (ie how many people play it), not just in esports and certainly not internationally. Even so, <1% sounds unlikely when there are supposed to be some 50,000 accounts on KR ladder altogether Most popular pc bang list every month. SC2 is less than 1%. Esports in korea is very advanced, they have all the polling ratings like we do for television. Lots of data available for sponsors. Surprisingly wc3 (prolly dota) and BW is still respectable 3%+ each. The big winner is ofc lol with around 35%. Kespa is just hanging on to proleague for nostalgia sake. It is afterall the grandfather of esports. Sadly its time really seems to be fading replaced by ughhh lol leagues. These days they jokingly call ogn lolgamenet. I'm no expert on PC Bang culture so please educate me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the games that are free to play be much more popular because you don't need to pay for an account? With SC2, you've got to buy the game (with the spawning feature I guess only one of your friends do) and it's not too far-fetched to think that more people play SC2 from home compared to the people playing WC3 or BW because they can just go to a PC Bang and play, without paying for anything else. Or am I wrong?
I think I heard that you can play for free with a Korean ID, can't vouche for it though.
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Thanks for the translation! It's good to see you around again man!
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Is there a paid subscription or anything for Proleague 2014? I looked around to sign up but couldn't find anything.
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On December 30 2013 06:24 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 03:20 Xiphos wrote:
Ultimately if you truly believe that sc2 is an awesome game, you shouldnt be worried at all. If a game is good enough, fans will show up. You crack me up.
I feel like I should make a thread of Xiphos's lazy, passive aggressive shots at SC2. He has so many at this point, its almost comical.
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Those single 2 matches were better than the whole last year of PL production wise.
So i'd say those were good investments
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Thanks for translating this.
GL Proleague :o
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On December 30 2013 03:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 03:20 Xiphos wrote:
Ultimately if you truly believe that sc2 is an awesome game, you shouldnt be worried at all. If a game is good enough, fans will show up. Is this another one of your passive aggressive shots at SC2? Most businesses don't make decisions based off of faith and putting out a press release explaining the delay of proleague isn't a bad thing. Thanks to this letter, I caught a couple games this morning while cleaning up the house.
Incorrect, you should learn to stop posting irrelevant message to the content you are responding because "putting out a press release explaining the delay of proleague isn't a bad thing" is an attempt to demonstrate that I'm vilifying Kespa for making such release which it utterly not the case. Please refrain from doing that. And once again you shouldn't worry about the state of any business venture as long as the merchandise have inherent sustainability potential w/ the appropriate copyright protection and exposure. So quit being a little insecure Plansix because you are making it seem that fans will stay loyal to a bad product or something which is absolutely not true. Its a free market.
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On December 30 2013 07:02 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 03:30 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2013 03:20 Xiphos wrote:
Ultimately if you truly believe that sc2 is an awesome game, you shouldnt be worried at all. If a game is good enough, fans will show up. Is this another one of your passive aggressive shots at SC2? Most businesses don't make decisions based off of faith and putting out a press release explaining the delay of proleague isn't a bad thing. Thanks to this letter, I caught a couple games this morning while cleaning up the house. Incorrect, you should learn to stop posting irrelevant message to the content you are responding because "putting out a press release explaining the delay of proleague isn't a bad thing" is an attempt to demonstrate that I'm vilifying Kespa for making such release which it utterly not the case. Please refrain from doing that. And once again you shouldn't worry about the state of any business venture as long as the merchandise have inherent sustainability potential w/ the appropriate copyright protection and exposure. So quit being a little insecure Plansix because you are making it seem that fans will stay loyal to a bad product or something which is absolutely not true. Its a free market.
You wrote a lot of stuff, but I'm not sure if you said anything there beyond some confusing stuff like I didn't understand your post(which was super vague anyways). Why do you come here if you don't like SC2? You just come here over and over to drop these passive aggressive comments into threads and try to rile people up. You just just go an play or watch another game. Unless, of course, your game is "forum troll", which then you likely should keep doing what your doing.
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400 attendees on day 1, according to Fomos.
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I was thinking about this a lot these last few weeks. I don't understand why Blizzard doesn't invest into Proleague. It would be in their best interest. I love WCS and all, but players and fans really rally behind teams. We all love to see Flash win OSL, but we also love even more to see Flash win the Ace match for his team in proleague finals. People loves teams, even though Starcraft is a 1v1 esport, the team aspect really adds to the comradery and makes both fans and players more excited to watch. I think proleague is super important and I am really excited for this season. I definitely paid the $5.00 to get the VODs and HD. I hope everyone does.
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On December 30 2013 02:57 Estancia wrote:
I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike.
You are looking at this from a wrong angle. The game has to be fun for both players and viewers, and that's really not the case in Korea. Probably because Korea is the only place where SC2 is, and will always be, compared to SCBW in terms of play-ability and fun factor. Once the game is "fun" to play they will start playing more and more, and only then will we see the game's popularity take off in Korea. We can all talk about how it's not free and how depressing it is to look at the PC bang ranking chart, but those are all minor issues that can be addressed systematically. The core of the problem is that the game just cannot compete with other games out there that are available in terms of "fun" factor. It's as simple as that. We can only hope for the next expansion that Bliz finally addresses some of the underlying problem with the SC2 (death ball, big battles end too quick...etc)
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On December 30 2013 10:14 SoFrOsTy wrote:
I was thinking about this a lot these last few weeks. I don't understand why Blizzard doesn't invest into Proleague. It would be in their best interest. I love WCS and all, but players and fans really rally behind teams. We all love to see Flash win OSL, but we also love even more to see Flash win the Ace match for his team in proleague finals. People loves teams, even though Starcraft is a 1v1 esport, the team aspect really adds to the comradery and makes both fans and players more excited to watch. I think proleague is super important and I am really excited for this season. I definitely paid the $5.00 to get the VODs and HD. I hope everyone does.
For the record of being fair, I should mention that Bliz bought 45 large boxes of pizza yesterday for the on-site crowd, and SPOTV matched it by paying for everyone a free soda. You might have seen this when SKT players were handing out the pizza boxes to the crowd.
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On December 30 2013 10:20 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 02:57 Estancia wrote:
I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike. You are looking at this from a wrong angle. The game has to be fun for both players and viewers, and that's really not the case in Korea. Probably because Korea is the only place where SC2 is, and will always be, compared to SCBW in terms of play-ability and fun factor. Once the game is "fun" to play they will start playing more and more, and only then will we see the game's popularity take off in Korea. We can all talk about how it's not free and how depressing it is to look at the PC bang ranking chart, but those are all minor issues that can be addressed systematically. The core of the problem is that the game just cannot compete with other games out there that are available in terms of "fun" factor. It's as simple as that. We can only hope for the next expansion that Bliz finally addresses some of the underlying problem with the SC2 (death ball, big battles end too quick...etc)
I'd say they missed the mark long ago with the game and the RTS Golden Years in Korea are gone. If it's not there you should count your loses and focus on the other areas. You can try again with the next game because those people aren't coming back. If they don't find it fun then you've already lost the battle. Also, I find it hard to believe that a f2p model would change anything because to me that's hardly the problem. You'd be sweeping all the other complaints under the rug and draw to much attention to a small mental barrier because people do still buy games and if they do play f2p there are enough people doing the micro-transactions. Micro-transactions won't fix the problems people have with B.net. Micro-transactions won't fix the problems people have with the design of the game. Heck, Blizzard even set the setting relatively low so people would be able to play it. Yet, a lot of Koreans still prefer playing from PCBangs rather than home. F2P might be a short influx, but it will be limited. Those people won't stay. You say these are minor issues. I say they all add up and we should be happy to even have the people we do have. With all the issues and bullcrap I think it's amazing that we get what we get. They cannot compete with the new stuff nor should they. Apples to oranges. The next expansion is just another band-aid. Blizzard have made it clear that they have no plans to make drastic changes. They play it safe and don't like taking risks. Oh well. I don't care because at the end of the day I know I'm going to watch some RTS because I'm an RTS gamer and I don't give two shits about what anyone thinks.
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Thanks, I hope that if he does communicate more that you continue to bring us these translations!
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On December 30 2013 10:20 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 02:57 Estancia wrote:
I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike. You are looking at this from a wrong angle. The game has to be fun for both players and viewers, and that's really not the case in Korea. Probably because Korea is the only place where SC2 is, and will always be, compared to SCBW in terms of play-ability and fun factor. Once the game is "fun" to play they will start playing more and more, and only then will we see the game's popularity take off in Korea. We can all talk about how it's not free and how depressing it is to look at the PC bang ranking chart, but those are all minor issues that can be addressed systematically. The core of the problem is that the game just cannot compete with other games out there that are available in terms of "fun" factor. It's as simple as that. We can only hope for the next expansion that Bliz finally addresses some of the underlying problem with the SC2 (death ball, big battles end too quick...etc)
Yeah I was just viewing it from the competitive angle. I meant that because SCII scene in Korea isn't as good as before, and having two factions isn't really helping.
But even if the game makes changes to make it more fun, wouldn't publicity be still needed in order to generate popularity? I feel thats where the KeSPA/SpoTV is supposed to come in and help that, and proleague may help a lot in that part.
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On December 30 2013 10:40 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 10:20 jellyjello wrote:On December 30 2013 02:57 Estancia wrote:
I personally feel that watching the channel itself is already supporting the proleague. I think the view plays a major role in getting sponsorships and ads.
But of course we would want to pay extra to support the proleague. Maybe they should accept donations or sell merchandises? I'm very sure selling team jackets can earn lots of money, especially if they manage to handle overseas transaction and ship them overseas.
Also, I feel that proleague is basically the last life line for Korea SCII scene now. GSL itself isn't really going to cut it. Even better if SpoTV makes their own individual league, which will help korean scene further.
Also to mention that SpoTV also has its own TV station unlike GomTV, and that itself might help a lot in drawing in old and new fans in alike. You are looking at this from a wrong angle. The game has to be fun for both players and viewers, and that's really not the case in Korea. Probably because Korea is the only place where SC2 is, and will always be, compared to SCBW in terms of play-ability and fun factor. Once the game is "fun" to play they will start playing more and more, and only then will we see the game's popularity take off in Korea. We can all talk about how it's not free and how depressing it is to look at the PC bang ranking chart, but those are all minor issues that can be addressed systematically. The core of the problem is that the game just cannot compete with other games out there that are available in terms of "fun" factor. It's as simple as that. We can only hope for the next expansion that Bliz finally addresses some of the underlying problem with the SC2 (death ball, big battles end too quick...etc) I'd say they missed the mark long ago with the game and the RTS Golden Years in Korea are gone. If it's not there you should count your loses and focus on the other areas. You can try again with the next game because those people aren't coming back. If they don't find it fun then you've already lost the battle. Also, I find it hard to believe that a f2p model would change anything because to me that's hardly the problem. You'd be sweeping all the other complaints under the rug and draw to much attention to a small mental barrier because people do still buy games and if they do play f2p there are enough people doing the micro-transactions. Micro-transactions won't fix the problems people have with B.net. Micro-transactions won't fix the problems people have with the design of the game. Heck, Blizzard even set the setting relatively low so people would be able to play it. Yet, a lot of Koreans still prefer playing from PCBangs rather than home. F2P might be a short influx, but it will be limited. Those people won't stay. You say these are minor issues. I say they all add up and we should be happy to even have the people we do have. With all the issues and bullcrap I think it's amazing that we get what we get. They cannot compete with the new stuff nor should they. Apples to oranges. The next expansion is just another band-aid. Blizzard have made it clear that they have no plans to make drastic changes. They play it safe and don't like taking risks. Oh well. I don't care because at the end of the day I know I'm going to watch some RTS because I'm an RTS gamer and I don't give two shits about what anyone thinks.
Quite contrary, Starcraft holds a special place in Korea and many Korean gamers. The golden years may have been gone, but that doesn't necessarily mean the the genre is completely dead. In fact, it's not even in massive and critical decline. Many Koreans still enjoy playing RTS games - like BW, and they are just waiting for that one game that will be the next BW. But, if you feel that it's not worth investing another RTS game in Korea, then feel free to move along. Korea is ripe for the taking - thanks to ineptness of Blizzard, and someone will take advantage of it and make a lot of money. You even said it yourself, that it's amazing that we get what we get in Korea. That's because there is something about Starcraft and the Korean gamers. The rest of your point, I get the feeling you are pretty much agreeing with me.
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On December 30 2013 11:14 jellyjello wrote:
Many Koreans still enjoy playing RTS games - like BW, and they are just waiting for that one game that will be the next BW.
This. Very obvious from the amount of success SOSPA is having with a game older than SCII and same age as me. SCII is quite a different game from SC:BW at its core imo.
Also, there seems to be a relationship between MOBA and RTS, if SCII becomes more fun perhaps more people who went over to LoL might come back and play Starcraft II again too.
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On December 30 2013 12:03 Estancia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 11:14 jellyjello wrote:
Many Koreans still enjoy playing RTS games - like BW, and they are just waiting for that one game that will be the next BW. This. Very obvious from the amount of success SOSPA is having with a game older than SCII and same age as me. SCII is quite a different game from SC:BW at its core imo. Also, there seems to be a relationship between MOBA and RTS, if SCII becomes more fun perhaps more people who went over to LoL might come back and play Starcraft II again too.
-_- the only relationship between rts and 'moba' is that moba came from an rts mod thats all.
RTS is stressful. Moba is not or nowhere near as stressful as RTS. I used to play sc competitively but once dota came out it was only dota. SC2 sold a million copies (maybe) in korea. I assure u most of it is to players who played sc1 just like me. Its for the nostalgia of a great game (non-korean).
PS Basically newer players will not flock to rts anymore. It will become a niche market.
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I think they really need to reduce downtime and increase the bitrate, I didn't watch the stream but the youtube VOD was some of the worst 720p I've ever seen.
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I really want to support Proleague but the sheer ammount of protoss involved makes it extremely hard for me to stay up ;;
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On December 30 2013 15:29 Die4Ever wrote:
I think they really need to reduce downtime and increase the bitrate, I didn't watch the stream but the youtube VOD was some of the worst 720p I've ever seen.
the Twitch steam had REALLY good quality, but I think that may be sub only after the new year begins
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Gross... This thread turned into a lot of people talking about totally worthless shit...
In other news, this is a pretty cool letter. ProLeague is looking great, and I for one am really excited for this season.
I'm trying really hard to stay awake and check out today's matches.
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Thank you for the Translation.
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are there any reasonable profound assessments on how proleague is doing so far?
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On January 08 2014 07:06 Swiv wrote:
are there any reasonable profound assessments on how proleague is doing so far?
The fan reaction has been positive in Korea - thanks to the new arena and decent amount of games. So far so good, and I'm hoping they can sustain the momentum.
Some interesting thoughts and rumors: 1) Round 2 will feature some of the ex-fOu players in different uniform, and 2) The remaining e-sports fed teams will merge with kespa and participate in proleague.
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On January 08 2014 08:37 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 07:06 Swiv wrote:
are there any reasonable profound assessments on how proleague is doing so far? The fan reaction has been positive in Korea - thanks to the new arena and decent amount of games. So far so good, and I'm hoping they can sustain the momentum. Some interesting thoughts and rumors: 1) Round 2 will feature some of the ex-fOu players in different uniform, and 2) The remaining e-sports fed teams will merge with kespa and participate in proleague.
If Life and Curious get to play Proleague I wouldn't be able to contain myself
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On January 08 2014 08:40 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 08:37 jellyjello wrote:On January 08 2014 07:06 Swiv wrote:
are there any reasonable profound assessments on how proleague is doing so far? The fan reaction has been positive in Korea - thanks to the new arena and decent amount of games. So far so good, and I'm hoping they can sustain the momentum. Some interesting thoughts and rumors: 1) Round 2 will feature some of the ex-fOu players in different uniform, and 2) The remaining e-sports fed teams will merge with kespa and participate in proleague. If Life and Curious get to play Proleague I wouldn't be able to contain myself
CJ_Life and CJ_Curious, here we are !
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On January 08 2014 08:40 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 08:37 jellyjello wrote:On January 08 2014 07:06 Swiv wrote:
are there any reasonable profound assessments on how proleague is doing so far? The fan reaction has been positive in Korea - thanks to the new arena and decent amount of games. So far so good, and I'm hoping they can sustain the momentum. Some interesting thoughts and rumors: 1) Round 2 will feature some of the ex-fOu players in different uniform, and 2) The remaining e-sports fed teams will merge with kespa and participate in proleague. If Life and Curious get to play Proleague I wouldn't be able to contain myself
I don't think ST can join this season, it will screw up the rankings. Unless they don't mind competing with less points than the rest for not attending round 1.
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On January 08 2014 08:57 Pangpootata wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 08:40 Zealously wrote:On January 08 2014 08:37 jellyjello wrote:On January 08 2014 07:06 Swiv wrote:
are there any reasonable profound assessments on how proleague is doing so far? The fan reaction has been positive in Korea - thanks to the new arena and decent amount of games. So far so good, and I'm hoping they can sustain the momentum. Some interesting thoughts and rumors: 1) Round 2 will feature some of the ex-fOu players in different uniform, and 2) The remaining e-sports fed teams will merge with kespa and participate in proleague. If Life and Curious get to play Proleague I wouldn't be able to contain myself I don't think ST can join this season, it will screw up the rankings. Unless they don't mind competing with less points than the rest for not attending round 1.
He said the rumores is about A MERGE. So that means ST in combination with another team is already playing...
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