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Ruin
United States271 Posts
On January 03 2014 21:52 Phaenoman wrote: Hm? So u mean it's the same as Akilon or Derelict? I think it takes at least one more gate to wall off or am I wrong? I believe it's 4 so I think you're right. | ||
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Ruin
United States271 Posts
On January 03 2014 21:28 Sumadin wrote: Simply put. Because they aren't Blizzard maps. If there is one thing that community map makers are terribad at, it is to mind their limits. All Blizzard maps are designed to run smoothly even on the lowest end machines (at appropriate graphic options of course), where as a lot of community map makers tend to focus a little too much on making stuff pretty. Metropolis in WOL was the extreme example of this phenomenon with a flipping million or so moving doodads. That map tanked even the highest end of machines and was a complete disaster when it got to ladder. But as long as people keep screaming for community map makers to get more influence on ladder, we will keep seeing this happen. Especially because community maps are often matched up against each other in competitions and shiny stuff sells. In my opinion, the community maps are a lot better than the maps that Blizzard produces. I think if Blizzard uses these maps then they have a responsibility to check for these kind of things and to fix them. | ||
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Zygno
Austria276 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On January 03 2014 21:28 Sumadin wrote: Simply put. Because they aren't Blizzard maps. If there is one thing that community map makers are terribad at, it is to mind their limits. All Blizzard maps are designed to run smoothly even on the lowest end machines (at appropriate graphic options of course), where as a lot of community map makers tend to focus a little too much on making stuff pretty. Metropolis in WOL was the extreme example of this phenomenon with a flipping million or so moving doodads. That map tanked even the highest end of machines and was a complete disaster when it got to ladder. But as long as people keep screaming for community map makers to get more influence on ladder, we will keep seeing this happen. Especially because community maps are often matched up against each other in competitions and shiny stuff sells. Sorry but this is just wrong. You are sugesting that maps have low fps because of "doodads" and shiny stuff but on that argument we would see that old pc´s have more problems then new one. But its the opposite there is no consistancy in the framerate drop on some maps, i personally never had problems on metropolis with a dual core and 8800, now i have an i7 and a 770 but have ~40 frames on some new maps. I think there are just some effects that are badly made. Blizzards map guy know these effects and just doesn´t use them. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Its like they created a map that were protoss would be as weak as possible to counteract all the protoss OP talk, but every protoss players will veto this map anyway. | ||
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On January 03 2014 23:31 Ravomat wrote: Habitation Station is hell for PvZ if zerg goes swarmhost. So many ledges to abduct stuff from. I have no idea how you want to engage a swarmhost turtle there. Tempest early gives a frgee gold / strong position vs Main while Z cannot take a gold tho... Can't complain yet bro :D | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On January 03 2014 23:56 Phaenoman wrote: Is Heavy Rain a blizz-made or community-made map ? Its a GSL map I think. A horrible one. | ||
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
On January 04 2014 00:03 SC2Toastie wrote: Tempest early gives a frgee gold / strong position vs Main while Z cannot take a gold tho... Can't complain yet bro :D Solid post for the category "pointless". | ||
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shivver
United States232 Posts
it's like those idiots at blizzard don't play their own fuking game, look at the size of that ramp it's absolutely absurd everything about the whole thing it's like dustin took his 3 year old and said hey let's troll the people that play the game, build a map for them gogo | ||
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
On January 04 2014 02:14 shivver wrote: BLOWS MY MIND THAT PEOPLE CAN BUILD A MAP LIKE DEADALUS AND THINK "GEE THIS MAP WILL WORK GREAT" it's like those idiots at blizzard don't play their own fuking game, look at the size of that ramp it's absolutely absurd everything about the whole thing it's like dustin took his 3 year old and said hey let's troll the people that play the game, build a map for them gogo I'm a mapmaker and i have done maps with more exposed naturals that Daedalus please explain why open naturals are bad. Also Daedalus is not a Blizzard map. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
Come on, couldn't they make it so that it's at least wallable with Nexus ? PvZ is just unplayable on that map if you don't go 3 gate expand à la WoL, and then you just die to mutas which didn't have regen back then. Instant veto. Edit : Open naturals are bad because you can't expand out of 1 gate or 1 forge on them, and then are just eaten alive by any serious muta play. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2475 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On January 04 2014 02:27 Uvantak wrote: I'm a mapmaker and i have done maps with more exposed naturals that Daedalus please explain why open naturals are bad. Also Daedalus is not a Blizzard map. It's nice for PvZ to be a playable match-up. On January 04 2014 03:01 The_Templar wrote: Looks like on daedalus point you have to do a gateway expand Free Hatch first for everybody! 3 Hatch before Pool is also good! And early Pools because of the open nat and short rush distance! | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On January 04 2014 02:27 Uvantak wrote: I'm a mapmaker and i have done maps with more exposed naturals that Daedalus please explain why open naturals are bad. Also Daedalus is not a Blizzard map. Are you sure? Liquipedia says its a map by Blizzard. | ||
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shivver
United States232 Posts
On January 04 2014 02:27 Uvantak wrote: I'm a mapmaker and i have done maps with more exposed naturals that Daedalus please explain why open naturals are bad. Also Daedalus is not a Blizzard map. explain? Why do you think people started 3 gate sentry expanding in wings of liberty vs z for? Can you tell me the answer to that before I go any further? | ||
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
On January 04 2014 03:03 Bagi wrote: Are you sure? Liquipedia says its a map by Blizzard. You are right i messed the maps up it is Heavy Rain the one made by Crux ~.~ | ||
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Aeromi
France14462 Posts
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